Bob, Rex and Todd: I well remember in 1970 when there was nothing published, and NO indexes, not even to the 1878 History, and no Genealogical Society either. We did things the hard way, but managed to get back 10 generations, with help by snail mail from others. We were grateful .I would not like to go back to those days for many reasons. I do think that putting Indexes on line would be helpful to many people, but the most important thing in my mind is that they document their information. At the present I see very little evidence of that being done. They are NOT genealogists, only genealogical information collectors and are exchanging the information without proof. This is not my SOLE opinion.See hhtp:/va.genealogy.50megs.com/sources.htm ... Also the local members of KCGS are few and far between who are searching in Knox County, but we are providing a service for the out- of- towners, and our Library visitors in the summer months are numerous, from all over the USA, who are searching in Knox County. Enough history. Just keep up the good work and we would be happy to welcome Rex back and Bob as members of the organization. Perhaps if Bob would come and let us know what he is attempting to accomplish there would be less criticism. Thanks for letting me air may veiws Ruth. >From: Todd Walter <sumwal@winco.net> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Maps, Rex, Ruth, Bob >Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2001, 4:45 AM > > OK, my turn to speak up. I'M THE ONE THAT SENT BOB THE MAPS. In my >original message to him I said I had a reprint and asked if he'd like to >post it. In no way did I misrepresent what I scanned. I thought (and still >do think) it would be an excellant addition to the site. It was my poor >choice of words calling it an "Atlas". If my scanner could handle, it's too >big, the original 1870 Atlas THAT I OWN, it would be on there too. I have >communicated with him about this and I will take the blame. It's over, they >aren't there any more. WHAT A SHAME. And no, I wasn't asking for any >special credit, I USED to enjoy sharing what I have. > There is nothing "suspicious" about it Rex, I scanned them out of the >KCGS book. I still don't believe you can copyright a 140 year old map, >perhaps if I had cropped the page headings, identifying numbers, and the >irrelevant lines around Galesburg and Knoxville, this would not have been a >problem. By the way, I'm a member of KCGS. > If none of you have been to the Knox Co. website lately, you should. Bob >is doing a better job on this (much, much better) than most any other >county sites I've been to and I would hope that he will still trust me to >keep adding items of interest, of which I've added dozens in the last >couple months. Maybe your family isn't from South East Knox, but somebodies >might be, and it could be interesting anyway. My hat is off to Bob. I wish >that more of you would submit your info, be it your grandmothers memoirs >(look under Owen in families) or letters or whatever, he'll find a place >for it. Believe me, these things could be lost forever. Ruth, what can you >add. > > TODD IN MAQUON > > > >At 06:02 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Thanks Ruth and Bob: >> I hadn't pullled my copy of the Thompson map off the shelf and had >>forgotten how much work Jean Forbes had done. I did check and the Thompson >>map was not an atlas in its original form but was a wall map; Jean had to >>do a lot of work to make the atlas. It seems if we are to err, better to >>err in the direction of giving someone more credit than deserved than >>giving someone who deserves much credit none at all. >>Rex >> >> At 10:55 AM 6/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >>>Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and >>>I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from >>>County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean >>>Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to >>>determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. >>>---------- >>>Ruth >>> >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> >>> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM >>> >>> > Ruth, >>> > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in >>> >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an >>> >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work >>> >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox >>> >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying >>> >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so >>> >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any >>> >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical >>> >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be >revealed >>> >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the >>> >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. >>> >Rex >>> > >>> > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >>> >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and >>> Indexed >>> >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an >atlas is >>> >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just >need >>> >>clarification. >>> >> >>> >>Ruth >>> >>---------- >>> >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >>> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >Hi Ruth, >>> >> > >>> >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has >been >>> >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see >>> their >>> >> >publications list at >>> >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a >>> great >>> >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. >>> >> > >>> >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all >>> to see >>> >> >and search electronically. >>> >> > >>> >> >Best wishes, >>> >> >Bob Miller >>> >> > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >>> >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] >>> >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM >>> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The >>> secret is >>> >> >knowing where to find it! >>> >> > >>> >> >---------- >>> >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >>> >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County >>> townships to >>> >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at >>> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the >>> full-size >>> >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower >>> >> >>Internet connections. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in >>> each of >>> >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the >>> website. This >>> >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search >>> feature >>> >> >>on the website. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can >>> >> >update >>> >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid >>> duplicate >>> >> >>work. Thanks for your help. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Bob Miller >>> >> >>Site Coordinator >>> >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb >>> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ >>> >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! >>> >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: >>> >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >