I have a general census question if no one minds. It has nothing to do about Knox County specifically It regards relationships in the various census reports. The head of house is listed as just that, be it a man or a woman. Sons are sons and daughters are daughters. But what about mother-in-laws? I have a family in which first cousins married each other, so they shared the same last name, before and after marriage. In a census report a mother-in-law is living with them. Would the mother-in-law be the mother-in-law of the head of house? Or could it be the mother-in-law of the wife, if she were the one to give the information. The problem is that both mothers shared the same first name and were born just a few years apart and the age given is right between the age of both mothers. Does anyone know if the census takers would ask? Dee

Todd, Was the map or atlas you scanned the 1861 Thompson Map or the 1870 Andreas Lyter Atlas? We were of the impression that this was the 1861 map and I haven't compared. They are two different works. Thanks, Rex At 10:45 PM 6/19/01 -0500, you wrote: > OK, my turn to speak up. I'M THE ONE THAT SENT BOB THE MAPS. In my >original message to him I said I had a reprint and asked if he'd like to >post it. In no way did I misrepresent what I scanned. I thought (and still >do think) it would be an excellant addition to the site. It was my poor >choice of words calling it an "Atlas". If my scanner could handle, it's too >big, the original 1870 Atlas THAT I OWN, it would be on there too. I have >communicated with him about this and I will take the blame. It's over, they >aren't there any more. WHAT A SHAME. And no, I wasn't asking for any >special credit, I USED to enjoy sharing what I have. > There is nothing "suspicious" about it Rex, I scanned them out of the >KCGS book. I still don't believe you can copyright a 140 year old map, >perhaps if I had cropped the page headings, identifying numbers, and the >irrelevant lines around Galesburg and Knoxville, this would not have been a >problem. By the way, I'm a member of KCGS. > If none of you have been to the Knox Co. website lately, you > should. Bob >is doing a better job on this (much, much better) than most any other >county sites I've been to and I would hope that he will still trust me to >keep adding items of interest, of which I've added dozens in the last >couple months. Maybe your family isn't from South East Knox, but somebodies >might be, and it could be interesting anyway. My hat is off to Bob. I wish >that more of you would submit your info, be it your grandmothers memoirs >(look under Owen in families) or letters or whatever, he'll find a place >for it. Believe me, these things could be lost forever. Ruth, what can you >add. > > >TODD IN MAQUON > > > >At 06:02 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Thanks Ruth and Bob: > > I hadn't pullled my copy of the Thompson map off the shelf and had > >forgotten how much work Jean Forbes had done. I did check and the Thompson > >map was not an atlas in its original form but was a wall map; Jean had to > >do a lot of work to make the atlas. It seems if we are to err, better to > >err in the direction of giving someone more credit than deserved than > >giving someone who deserves much credit none at all. > >Rex > > > > At 10:55 AM 6/18/01 +0100, you wrote: > >>Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and > >>I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from > >>County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean > >>Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to > >>determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. > >>---------- > >>Ruth > >> >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> > >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM > >> > >> > Ruth, > >> > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall > map, in > >> >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an > >> >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work > >> >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox > >> >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the > identifying > >> >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so > >> >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any > >> >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical > >> >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be >revealed > >> >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying > of the > >> >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. > >> >Rex > >> > > >> > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > >> >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and > >> Indexed > >> >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an >atlas is > >> >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just >need > >> >>clarification. > >> >> > >> >>Ruth > >> >>---------- > >> >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >Hi Ruth, > >> >> > > >> >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has >been > >> >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see > >> their > >> >> >publications list at > >> >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a > >> great > >> >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. > >> >> > > >> >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all > >> to see > >> >> >and search electronically. > >> >> > > >> >> >Best wishes, > >> >> >Bob Miller > >> >> > > >> >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] > >> >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM > >> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The > >> secret is > >> >> >knowing where to find it! > >> >> > > >> >> >---------- > >> >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >> >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County > >> townships to > >> >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at > >> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the > >> full-size > >> >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower > >> >> >>Internet connections. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in > >> each of > >> >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the > >> website. This > >> >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search > >> feature > >> >> >>on the website. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can > >> >> >update > >> >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid > >> duplicate > >> >> >>work. Thanks for your help. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Bob Miller > >> >> >>Site Coordinator > >> >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb > >> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ > >> >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! > >> >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: > >> >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >

Thanks, Todd, for sharing the maps. I saved the JPEG images of Henderson and Rio where my ancestors lived (and I plan to keep them <smile> ). It's great everyone is sharing! Someday I hope to visit the area where so many of my family came from but until then, I have to rely on the list and webpage to help me. That's why it's great to have this information online! So, thanks to all who are posting info to the website and list! Sharing is what it's all about. Jan Lund

Today, while helping my cousin do some work on his house east of Maquon, we unearthed a tombstone that someone had propped the house up with. The name on it was Alfred Thurman died August 31, 1870, age 11 years, 6 months, and 16 days. Does anyone know which family he belongs to? Todd in Maquon

OK, my turn to speak up. I'M THE ONE THAT SENT BOB THE MAPS. In my original message to him I said I had a reprint and asked if he'd like to post it. In no way did I misrepresent what I scanned. I thought (and still do think) it would be an excellant addition to the site. It was my poor choice of words calling it an "Atlas". If my scanner could handle, it's too big, the original 1870 Atlas THAT I OWN, it would be on there too. I have communicated with him about this and I will take the blame. It's over, they aren't there any more. WHAT A SHAME. And no, I wasn't asking for any special credit, I USED to enjoy sharing what I have. There is nothing "suspicious" about it Rex, I scanned them out of the KCGS book. I still don't believe you can copyright a 140 year old map, perhaps if I had cropped the page headings, identifying numbers, and the irrelevant lines around Galesburg and Knoxville, this would not have been a problem. By the way, I'm a member of KCGS. If none of you have been to the Knox Co. website lately, you should. Bob is doing a better job on this (much, much better) than most any other county sites I've been to and I would hope that he will still trust me to keep adding items of interest, of which I've added dozens in the last couple months. Maybe your family isn't from South East Knox, but somebodies might be, and it could be interesting anyway. My hat is off to Bob. I wish that more of you would submit your info, be it your grandmothers memoirs (look under Owen in families) or letters or whatever, he'll find a place for it. Believe me, these things could be lost forever. Ruth, what can you add. TODD IN MAQUON At 06:02 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Ruth and Bob: > I hadn't pullled my copy of the Thompson map off the shelf and had >forgotten how much work Jean Forbes had done. I did check and the Thompson >map was not an atlas in its original form but was a wall map; Jean had to >do a lot of work to make the atlas. It seems if we are to err, better to >err in the direction of giving someone more credit than deserved than >giving someone who deserves much credit none at all. >Rex > > At 10:55 AM 6/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >>Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and >>I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from >>County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean >>Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to >>determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. >>---------- >>Ruth >> >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM >> >> > Ruth, >> > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in >> >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an >> >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work >> >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox >> >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying >> >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so >> >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any >> >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical >> >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be revealed >> >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the >> >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. >> >Rex >> > >> > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and >> Indexed >> >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is >> >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need >> >>clarification. >> >> >> >>Ruth >> >>---------- >> >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hi Ruth, >> >> > >> >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been >> >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see >> their >> >> >publications list at >> >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a >> great >> >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. >> >> > >> >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all >> to see >> >> >and search electronically. >> >> > >> >> >Best wishes, >> >> >Bob Miller >> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] >> >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM >> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The >> secret is >> >> >knowing where to find it! >> >> > >> >> >---------- >> >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >> >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County >> townships to >> >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at >> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the >> full-size >> >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower >> >> >>Internet connections. >> >> >> >> >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in >> each of >> >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the >> website. This >> >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search >> feature >> >> >>on the website. >> >> >> >> >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can >> >> >update >> >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid >> duplicate >> >> >>work. Thanks for your help. >> >> >> >> >> >>Bob Miller >> >> >>Site Coordinator >> >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb >> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ >> >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! >> >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: >> >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > > >

Barry Fox: If you haven't gotten the 1850 census of Knox County, IL. yet, ask your library to get it for you on inter-library loan. It is Micro-copy # 432, Roll#113. The page numbers on the microfilm are in the upper right hand corner. Ruth ---------- >From: "Barry432, Roll # 113 Fox" <bfox@charter.net> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1850 Knox County Census >Date: Thu, May 31, 2001, 6:04 PM > >Does anyone have access to the 1850 Knox County Census and not mind doing a >lookup for me? My library does not have these records. I am interested in >these households: > >John McGrew page 323 >Abram McGrew page 330 >John H. McGrew page 330 >James McGrew page 331 >James R. McGrew page 331 >Washington McGrew page 334 >Clinton McGrew page 407 >Charles McGrew page 429 >John L. McGrew page 449 > >I know that's a lot to ask, but I don't know any other way to get the >information. If it's online, please let me know. > >Thanks for your help. > >Barry Fox >Greenville, SC >

Thanks Ruth and Bob: I hadn't pullled my copy of the Thompson map off the shelf and had forgotten how much work Jean Forbes had done. I did check and the Thompson map was not an atlas in its original form but was a wall map; Jean had to do a lot of work to make the atlas. It seems if we are to err, better to err in the direction of giving someone more credit than deserved than giving someone who deserves much credit none at all. Rex At 10:55 AM 6/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and >I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from >County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean >Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to >determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. >---------- >Ruth > >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM > > > Ruth, > > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in > >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an > >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work > >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox > >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying > >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so > >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any > >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical > >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be revealed > >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the > >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. > >Rex > > > > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and > Indexed > >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is > >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need > >>clarification. > >> > >>Ruth > >>---------- > >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM > >> > > >> > >> >Hi Ruth, > >> > > >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been > >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see > their > >> >publications list at > >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a > great > >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. > >> > > >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all > to see > >> >and search electronically. > >> > > >> >Best wishes, > >> >Bob Miller > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] > >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM > >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The > secret is > >> >knowing where to find it! > >> > > >> >---------- > >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM > >> >> > >> > > >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County > townships to > >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at > >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the > full-size > >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower > >> >>Internet connections. > >> >> > >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in > each of > >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the > website. This > >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search > feature > >> >>on the website. > >> >> > >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can > >> >update > >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid > duplicate > >> >>work. Thanks for your help. > >> >> > >> >>Bob Miller > >> >>Site Coordinator > >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb > >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ > >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! > >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: > >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > >

The following message appeared on the Peoria County email list. It should be equally helpful for Knox County. - Bob Miller -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Rothwell [mailto:LoganCty@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:58 AM To: ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILPEORIA-L] New Genealogy Boards Rootsweb is merging the GenConnect boards with some boards at Ancestry.com. Please note that these boards are NOT a part of USGenWeb or ILGenWeb although many pages link to them. The merged boards will have some great new features. They will also give wider circulation to queries, always helpful. However, nothing is perfect and there are some drawbacks you need to consider in advance. Wider circulation means more people will read it, more search engines will pick it up, etc. NEVER NEVER post your snail mail address, phone number or other personal details. More and more people are surfing genealogy sites and gathering information for identity theft and other criminal activities. While Rootsweb/Ancestry.com promises the boards cannot be crawled [yet!] to gather email addresses, if you post the personal information it is certainly available to everyone. If your bank, credit card company, etc. uses 'mother's maiden name' as the security word you need to get them to change it. If they won't you could have a problem since your mother's maiden name is pretty easy to determine these days. You might consider giving them your maternal grandmother's maiden instead or something of that nature. You need to plan that in advance so you remember of course. The new setup APPEARS to eliminate public responses so a poster may have to answer the same questions over and over in email. If this is so some might want to save the email and just keep forwarding the entire correspondence. Of course, that method will share email addresses with all, something that may or may not be desirable. Now might be a good time to get a Yahoo or Hotmail or Bigfoot or other free email address just for genealogy. Yahoo and Bigfoot addresses can be forwarded to your real email account. Hotmail cannot. I don't know about others. Here's what Rootsweb, owned by Ancestry.com, says about the new boards [not yet available but soon]: --- The new message boards database will be by far the largest collection of such messages on the Internet. In fact, the FamilyHistory and RootsWeb messages are extremely complimentary. The majority of the messages on FamilyHistory are surname-based, while RootsWeb's strength is in the locality and topic areas. Not only will the new combination enjoy a larger set of data, but users will have access to a much larger audience. --- The new message boards can now handle attachments to e-mail messages in the form of uploaded pictures (scanned documents, family photos, etc.) and GEDCOM files. --- Users will be able to view the e-mail address of message authors and be able to respond to them easily and privately. However, the message boards cannot be "crawled" by unscrupulous third parties to gather e-mail addresses for spam mailings. --- Search functionality will be improved compared to either the RootsWeb or FamilyHistory systems. Search hits will be ranked by relevance and wildcard searches are available. --- The hardware infrastructure supporting the new message boards is faster, can handle larger traffic loads, and is more stable. The new system is also less expensive over time and easier to maintain. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com

Bob, I agree most heartily that ALL of the genealogical societies should make an effort to get the indexes for their publications on-line. I volunteer here in St. Clair county to do look-ups and take photos as my time permits, but I often feel that so much more could be done in the on-line community. Our local society has improved over the last two years in their on-line activities. I stayed out of the membership for many years because of their attitude towards out-of-state requests for help. I am happy to say that now there are many more members willing to help -- mostly those who have found that they can't afford to travel to get all of their own information. If I can help with your indexing, I will gladly try. I live near St. Louis. Thanks for your work with usgenweb. I have doubled my own efforts in helping others as a direct result of the help I obtained from usgenweb in Iowa. Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski

Bob, I would be interested in doing some of this, if I can. I spend about 2-3 hours on the computer each evening. Let me know what you think. Cheryl Long mykittys@springnet1.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> To: <ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to > the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size > maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower > Internet connections. > > I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of > the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This > will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature > on the website. > > If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can update > a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate > work. Thanks for your help. > > Bob Miller > Site Coordinator > Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ > Share your genealogy research with others! > Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Hi again, Ruth - Thanks for your question below. In response, I think that just the act of placing the 1861 maps and related list of landowners (or, for that matter, any information) on the Internet makes them unique from paper publications. Once they are on the Internet, they become an index or a reference immediately available at will to everyone - regardless of where they live. That supports and enhances collaboration like we see every day on the Knox email list. It also allows people to use search engines like the ones on the Knox USGenWeb site to comb through reams of information in a matter of minutes for leads worth further pursuit. But the 1861 maps specifically might now be irrelevant. If Rex Cherrington is correct that the maps I displayed on the Knox County USGenWeb site were scans of work done by the Knox County Genealogical Society, then they will not be on the site without written KCGS approval. They have been removed pending a final determination. Both the USGenWeb Project and I strive to comply fully with the spirit and the letter of copyright law. On the broader issue though <grin>, perhaps KCGS should allow the Knox USGenWeb site to publish indexes to ALL of its paper publications. That would allow visitors to quickly find the KCGS publications that contain references to the lines they are researching. They might then purchase those specific publications. Right now the only real options that people have with KCGS publications are to 1) go to the Galesburg Public Library and spend hours manually searching through all of them [then they photocopy the pages they want], or 2) find some helpful sole on the Knox email list like yourself who will tell them about a reference. Most people interested in Knox County genealogy can't get to the Galesburg Public Library, so they default to option 2, or, more likely, they never learn about the reference at all. I think KCGS could sell a lot more publications if good indexes to their contents were available online. And, I bet there are plenty of volunteers on the Knox email list who would help get them online! The ultimate goal is better resources for everyone interested in Knox County genealogy. Best wishes, Bob Miller Site Coordinator Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 9:45 AM To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and Indexed by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need clarification. Ruth

Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. ---------- Ruth >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM > Ruth, > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be revealed >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. >Rex > > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and Indexed >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need >>clarification. >> >>Ruth >>---------- >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM >> > >> >> >Hi Ruth, >> > >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see their >> >publications list at >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a great >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. >> > >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all to see >> >and search electronically. >> > >> >Best wishes, >> >Bob Miller >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The secret is >> >knowing where to find it! >> > >> >---------- >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM >> >> >> > >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower >> >>Internet connections. >> >> >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature >> >>on the website. >> >> >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can >> >update >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate >> >>work. Thanks for your help. >> >> >> >>Bob Miller >> >>Site Coordinator >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >

Hi, Rex - Thanks for your comments. I will check more carefully into the source of the maps. My understanding (assumption) was that they were being presented as originally published in the 1861 Atlas. They have been removed from the website pending a determination of their actual source. Bob Miller Site Coordinator Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ -----Original Message----- From: Rex Cherrington [mailto:Cherrington@gallatinriver.net] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:36 PM To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps Ruth, As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be revealed and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. Rex At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and Indexed >by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is >a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need >clarification. > >Ruth >---------- > >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM > > > > >Hi Ruth, > > > >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been > >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see their > >publications list at > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a great > >paper resource, as are all of their publications. > > > >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all to see > >and search electronically. > > > >Best wishes, > >Bob Miller > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] > >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The secret is > >knowing where to find it! > > > >---------- > >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM > >> > > > >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to > >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size > >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower > >>Internet connections. > >> > >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of > >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This > >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature > >>on the website. > >> > >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can > >update > >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate > >>work. Thanks for your help. > >> > >>Bob Miller > >>Site Coordinator > >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ > >>Share your genealogy research with others! > >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: > >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> > > > >

Ruth, As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be revealed and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. Rex At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and Indexed >by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is >a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need >clarification. > >Ruth >---------- > >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM > > > > >Hi Ruth, > > > >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been > >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see their > >publications list at > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a great > >paper resource, as are all of their publications. > > > >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all to see > >and search electronically. > > > >Best wishes, > >Bob Miller > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] > >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The secret is > >knowing where to find it! > > > >---------- > >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> > >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps > >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM > >> > > > >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to > >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size > >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower > >>Internet connections. > >> > >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of > >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This > >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature > >>on the website. > >> > >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can > >update > >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate > >>work. Thanks for your help. > >> > >>Bob Miller > >>Site Coordinator > >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ > >>Share your genealogy research with others! > >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: > >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> > > > >

Hi Pat I am having trouble getting a message to IlKNOX. I have tried several different addresses and I always get the response that it cannot be delivered.Here is my message. Can you relay it for me? I am seeking any descendents of Artemus/Isaac and Mary/Polly Smith. They had eleven children and they came to Knox County in the mid 1830's. They lived in the area of Old Henderson. Artemus was shot accidently while hunting with his son-in-law John McNaughton.His wife was Elizabeth Grace. Other children were Diadamia who married Henry Aria,Isaac who was a Dr. and died single,Clarissa Armeda who married L.C.Field,Artemis who married Amanda Woodward, John Lowry who also married Amanda after Artemis died.They named thier first chil Ario Wilcox. He was stillborn and they named their last child the same name.My great grandmother was another sister. Her name was Hariet Amelia. She married William L. Clay. They were divorced. They lived in Henry County during their marriage. I would like to contact anyone who might know who the parents of Artemis/Isaac would be. Also an obituary and a divorce record for Harriet Amelia.She died onFebruary 3, 1863 in either Knox or Henry County. She is still married to Mr. Clay in the 1860 census so the divorce occured sometime after that and before her death in 1863. Any help will be much appreciated. Wilma Atkinson

Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and Indexed by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an atlas is a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just need clarification. Ruth ---------- >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM > >Hi Ruth, > >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has been >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see their >publications list at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a great >paper resource, as are all of their publications. > >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all to see >and search electronically. > >Best wishes, >Bob Miller > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The secret is >knowing where to find it! > >---------- >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM >> > >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower >>Internet connections. >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature >>on the website. >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can >update >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate >>work. Thanks for your help. >> >>Bob Miller >>Site Coordinator >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ >>Share your genealogy research with others! >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > >

In a message dated 6/17/01 12:18:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, genhelp@worldnet.att.net writes: > Ruth: > > Is the published book available for sale at the Knox County Genealogy > Society? > > Thanks, Jan > > I'd be interested in knowing also.......Thanks, Grace

In a message dated 6/16/01 3:29:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ruth@galesburg.net writes: > The Williamsfield Times, on microfilm, is in the Genealogy Section of the > Galesburg Public Library. Births deaths and marriages appearing in it have > been abstracted and published. This is also in the genealogy section of the > library. > > Ruth > > Hi Ruth, Thanks for your reply. It’s Grace. I’m still working on leads > for my Susan > Smith Davis HENDRICKSON. . Remember, the elusive Susan that we can’t find > any > death info on, who supposedly died 27 May 1926 in Knox Co., IL....Well, the > “old lady > Smith who died either Mar 7 or 17 1892 was Susan’s mother. Dau Margaret > Hefferman > reported Mary Smith was ill and not expected to recover and that she was > living at home > of dau, Sarah Sloan. The Sloans were living in Williamsfield and the > Hefferman were > living in Victoria Twp. I’ll check our library in CA to see what > newspapers on > Microfilm they can order. Again, appreciate you trying to >

Ruth: Is the published book available for sale at the Knox County Genealogy Society? Thanks, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Ragsdale" <ruth@galesburg.net> To: <ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] Old Newspapers > The Williamsfield Times, on microfilm, is in the Genealogy Section of the > Galesburg Public Library. Births deaths and marriages appearing in it have > been abstracted and published. This is also in the genealogy section of the > library. > > Ruth > ---------- > >From: GraceJackson@aol.com > >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] Old Newspapers > >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 3:56 AM > > > > >In a message dated 6/15/01 3:50:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com writes: > > > > > >> You might check to see if anything can be found in the Williamsfield Times. > >> > >> Thank you for Info. I will try to find info on Williamsfield Times for > >> 1892. > > > > > > > >

I would be happy to help out in any way just let me know. I live in Iceland so there will be about a six time difference from central standard time. My e-mail is cfrayser@mwr.is....respectfully Clayton Frayser -----Original Message----- From: Bob Miller [mailto:Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 6:24 PM To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County townships to the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the full-size maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower Internet connections. I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in each of the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the website. This will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search feature on the website. If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can update a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid duplicate work. Thanks for your help. Bob Miller Site Coordinator Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ Share your genealogy research with others! Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/