Bob, Maybe I didn't read the description on the Knox County site closely enough. Where was the old Knox County Courthouse that was "used until 1873 when the county seat was moved to Galesburg." ? I'm enjoying looking back at the old information and the additions you've made. Looks great! Barb Clay Adams

The old County seat and Courthouse was in Knoxville Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Basa75@aol.com> To: <ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Old Knox County Courthouse > Bob, > Maybe I didn't read the description on the Knox County site closely enough. > Where was the old Knox County Courthouse that was "used until 1873 when the > county seat was moved to Galesburg." ? > I'm enjoying looking back at the old information and the additions you've > made. Looks great! > Barb Clay Adams >

Hi: Just wanted to say a big thank you for the work that you all are doing. Since I signed up for the e-mails it has been a real treat to see all the information that you are gathering and the help you are to so many people looking for their family. Keep up the great work. I know it must get tiresome to look at these things but keep pressing on. Barbara Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com

Steve P.: You are dreaming about an obituary in 1852 in Altona. The earliest one in the Galesburg papers was 1854. The outlying areas sent in "news" items from time to time usually just a statement that "Granma Jones died last Thursday""or some similar statement. The items were paid for as an "ad" for some time, and I understand that some newspapers are going back to that idea, particularly in the cities. Don't expect to find an obituary as you know them, until after 1900, unless the person was well known or a prominent resident of a larger town. The Illinois State Historical Society collection does not list a newspaper extant for Altona,(see Illinois Libraries, April 1991). Ruth ---------- >From: "Steve Peterson" <ptrsn@home.com> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Altona Newspaper c1852 >Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2001, 11:47 PM > >Hi Listmembers, > >Can anyone tell me if there were any newspapers in or covering Altona c1852? >Levi Stephens died Oct. 29, 1852 and I'm looking for a possible obituary. He >lived just east of Altona. > >Thanks >Steve P >

Kaye Webb: You did not give enough informtion on MEYER to establish a search for the murder. Need at least a first name. There are 5 cemeteries in Galesburg to search. Ruth ---------- >From: Kaye Webb <cardinal_61951@yahoo.com> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Auguste meyer family murder >Date: Thu, Jun 14, 2001, 4:50 PM > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Knox/11069

Todd: I am not on the board, so don't get the monthly reports of income and outgo. Our membership as of June meeting was about 207, if I recall correctly. We have several life members, too. Part of the problem is that many are so wrapped up in their internet gleanings that they believe that is the answer to everything! I am with you on the hard copies for information. I have not heard of anyone willing to chair a special projects committee for several years. Dianne was the last, and she has vamoosed, and she had taken program chair too. There just isn't anyone who volunteers to do much of anything. We have a hard time finding officers every year. We must be eternally grateful for the hard labor that produced our censuses and cemetery and tombstone records as well as the innumerable indexed publications. The present officers are doing great but could use more support from the local members. Many use our collection at the Library, but are not joining the Society. There have been no new publications for about three years. We published the 1890 Personal Property Tax list since the census was not available. There is the 1888 Knox County Gazetteer and Farmers' and Land Owner' Directory which can fill in the real estate information. Anyone wishing to join the Knox County Illinois Genealogical Society is welcome. The dues are $14.00/year (Jan-Dec.) We publish a quarterly with Delayed birth records just beginning, past issues are available. Direct your membership application to the Society at P. O. Box 13, Galesburg, Il 61402-0013 See the list of publications and prices on the web. Ruth PS: Would you be willing to chair the special Projects Committee? ---------- >From: Todd Walter <sumwal@winco.net> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1890 Knox Co. Atlas >Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2001, 6:10 PM > >Ruth, > > Could you or Floyd check into something for us. About 3 years ago a friend >of mine gave the Society his copy of the 1890 Knox Co. Atlas to be copied >and printed. They returned it about a year and a half ago but so far I've >heard no mention of the status of the publication. This could be one of >the more important resources for the Society to reprint since the 1890 >census does not exist. If I remember correctly, Diane B., who has moved on, >told me they also had the 1904 copied. > I missed this months meeting, but the one before that I believe it was >mentioned that membership had dropped by almost half from last year. >Perhaps you could post info here about how to join etc... > > > Todd >

Thanks for posting the information on the society, Ruth. The recent discussion made me realize that I had not renewed by membership this year and although most of research falls outside of Knox County, I decided to send in a lifetime membership. I live in California but make several trips a year to Galesburg to visit relatives and have gleaned so much information in the library. I am extremely interested in having more information available on the web for those that aren't as fortunate to be able to make a trip such as that. Perhaps if the society were to focus on publishing/providing information on the internet, more folks would donate/join. I also prefer hard copies of information and treasure the books I have collected. Regards, pat Todd: I am not on the board, so don't get the monthly reports of income and outgo. Our membership as of June meeting was about 207, if I recall correctly. We have several life members, too. Part of the problem is that many are so wrapped up in their internet gleanings that they believe that is the answer to everything! I am with you on the hard copies for information. I have not heard of anyone willing to chair a special projects committee for several years. Dianne was the last, and she has vamoosed, and she had taken program chair too. There just isn't anyone who volunteers to do much of anything. We have a hard time finding officers every year. We must be eternally grateful for the hard labor that produced our censuses and cemetery and tombstone records as well as the innumerable indexed publications. The present officers are doing great but could use more support from the local members. Many use our collection at the Library, but are not joining the Society. There have been no new publications for about three years. We published the 1890 Personal Property Tax list since the census was not available. There is the 1888 Knox County Gazetteer and Farmers' and Land Owner' Directory which can fill in the real estate information. Anyone wishing to join the Knox County Illinois Genealogical Society is welcome. The dues are $14.00/year (Jan-Dec.) We publish a quarterly with Delayed birth records just beginning, past issues are available. Direct your membership application to the Society at P. O. Box 13, Galesburg, Il 61402-0013 See the list of publications and prices on the web. Ruth PS: Would you be willing to chair the special Projects Committee?

A transcript of the 1880 Federal Census is now available on a 56-CD set from LDS at http://www.familysearch.org/ for $49.00. Note that this is NOT just an index. It is a transcript of the census for the entire country. The transcribed records contain the following information about each person: * Last name * First name, often including middle name or initials * Age * Sex * Race * Marital status * Occupation * Relationship to the head of household * State or country of birth * Father's state or country of birth * Mother's state or country of birth * National Archives microfilm number and page * Family History Library microfilm number A review of the product can be seen at http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/3963.asp. Comments I have seen on other lists from those who have order it say it is absolutely a great product. Happy hunting! Bob

Hi Todd, Thanks for your emails. I have only seen one copy of the Thompson Map of 1861 and it was about five feet square. These were used in school rooms, according to what I have been told. The room had a wolrd map, a U.S map, an Illinois map and a Knox County Map. When Jean put her book together she used some of the mateial from the decorative border, such as the picture of William McMurtry in the book, the town plats, etc.. It has been a while but someone mentioned the Knox County Highway Dept. having one of these or a duplicate copy of a Thompson Map. You might check if you would like to see one. The one I saw is now in New York. Hopefully if approached the right way people will give permission to have their works put on the web-site. They could benefit a lot of people. If KCGS isn't getting a lot of revenue from publications these days, then the chances of getting permission would seem better. I know what you mean about having the books. I can make out details in the old maps that you can't see on the web. Good luck and let's hope KCGS will give permission to put some of the publications on the web. Rex

Hi Listmembers, Can anyone tell me if there were any newspapers in or covering Altona c1852? Levi Stephens died Oct. 29, 1852 and I'm looking for a possible obituary. He lived just east of Altona. Thanks Steve P

Thanks for the suggestion, Todd. The Knox County Genealogical Society is now prominently displayed on the home page menu of the Knox County USGenWeb site. See it at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/. Bob Miller Site Coordinator Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ Share your genealogy research with others! Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Todd Walter [mailto:sumwal@winco.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:09 PM To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Thompson Map etc. ... Maybe Bob can find a way to make the list of the ones available a little more prominent, as well as the info on the Society itself, perhaps a link on the "Home" page. Right now it's listed under "Other". In a previous message to Ruth I mentioned the dwindling membership, this could most certainly be reversed if more people knew about the Society and it's activities. You don't have to live here to belong.

Rex, I completely agree with you on most of your comments. The map Mrs. Forbes copied had to have been HUGE, not to mention fragile. Along with the county map there were town maps and "pictures" of a few citizens, houses and businesses, and advertising. I doubt very much if every publication of the Society will ever be online. I would be very surprised if they take in $500 a year from these (half of that I spent) and if people knew they were available and how reasonably priced they are it could even help. Ruth could probably give us an accurate figure. I think the 1861 reprint was only $7 or $8 and the 1917 Hixson was like $2 or $3. Maybe Bob can find a way to make the list of the ones available a little more prominent, as well as the info on the Society itself, perhaps a link on the "Home" page. Right now it's listed under "Other". In a previous message to Ruth I mentioned the dwindling membership, this could most certainly be reversed if more people knew about the Society and it's activities. You don't have to live here to belong. While having certain info online is very handy, I, for one, much prefer to have it on paper or in a book. I would never consider giving up anything in my collection, original or reprint, just because it's online. Todd At 12:16 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings to all, > Sorry for my confusion about the 1861 map vs. 1870 Atlas. It was the >1861 Thompson map that was on the web-site. > Ruth, thanks for the encouragement to get back into the Knox County >Genealogical Society. If I seem touchy about this, it is only out of a >deep seated respect for the all those members, living and departed, who >devoted so many hours to the Knox County Genealogical Society and its >various endeavors including publications. Yes, Ruth, you and your >husband, Floyd are among those. I feel so lucky to have gotten to know >so many who worked on these projects. Jean Forbes did more than just copy >an atlas, it was never an atlas before Jean did her work to make it into an >atlas. It was a wall map and that would have been a real challenge to >scan! When all those volunteers started this work for the KCGS they did >not use scanners or computers. It was hard work and due respect should be >shown for that. > Bob, you are doing a terrific job and I know you are dedicated and >devoted. Thank you for all you are doing. Hopefully the Knox County >Genealogical Society, if approached the right way would be >cooperative. Many comments are made about the wonderful genealogical >collection at the Galesburg Public Library. This is there through the >courtesy of the Knox County Genealogical Society. Some of the materials >were direct donations but the society's sale of publications did a fair >share to fund that collection which we all enjoy. If all this goes on web, >likely the sale of publications will suffer and hence funding for the >library collection is diminished Apart from the monetary >aspects, hopefully proper credit and acknowledgement can be given to those >who did the primary work when something goes on the web. In this way the >legacy lives on and is not forgotten. >Rex > > >

She would be the mother-in-law of the head of house, therefore the wifes mother if one is listed. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan & Dee Yeager" <dyeager@urx.com> To: <ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Census relationships > I have a general census question if no one minds. It has nothing to do > about Knox County specifically It regards relationships in the various > census reports. The head of house is listed as just that, be it a man or > a woman. Sons are sons and daughters are daughters. But what about > mother-in-laws? > > I have > Dee > >

Greetings to all, Sorry for my confusion about the 1861 map vs. 1870 Atlas. It was the 1861 Thompson map that was on the web-site. Ruth, thanks for the encouragement to get back into the Knox County Genealogical Society. If I seem touchy about this, it is only out of a deep seated respect for the all those members, living and departed, who devoted so many hours to the Knox County Genealogical Society and its various endeavors including publications. Yes, Ruth, you and your husband, Floyd are among those. I feel so lucky to have gotten to know so many who worked on these projects. Jean Forbes did more than just copy an atlas, it was never an atlas before Jean did her work to make it into an atlas. It was a wall map and that would have been a real challenge to scan! When all those volunteers started this work for the KCGS they did not use scanners or computers. It was hard work and due respect should be shown for that. Bob, you are doing a terrific job and I know you are dedicated and devoted. Thank you for all you are doing. Hopefully the Knox County Genealogical Society, if approached the right way would be cooperative. Many comments are made about the wonderful genealogical collection at the Galesburg Public Library. This is there through the courtesy of the Knox County Genealogical Society. Some of the materials were direct donations but the society's sale of publications did a fair share to fund that collection which we all enjoy. If all this goes on web, likely the sale of publications will suffer and hence funding for the library collection is diminished Apart from the monetary aspects, hopefully proper credit and acknowledgement can be given to those who did the primary work when something goes on the web. In this way the legacy lives on and is not forgotten. Rex

Does anyone have the 1870 census that could look up this name in Maquon, Salem, or Chestnut? He's not listed in 1860. At 10:51 PM 6/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >Today, while helping my cousin do some work on his house east of Maquon, we >unearthed a tombstone that someone had propped the house up with. The name >on it was Alfred Thurman died August 31, 1870, age 11 years, 6 months, and >16 days. Does anyone know which family he belongs to? > > Todd in Maquon > >

Ruth, Could you or Floyd check into something for us. About 3 years ago a friend of mine gave the Society his copy of the 1890 Knox Co. Atlas to be copied and printed. They returned it about a year and a half ago but so far I've heard no mention of the status of the publication. This could be one of the more important resources for the Society to reprint since the 1890 census does not exist. If I remember correctly, Diane B., who has moved on, told me they also had the 1904 copied. I missed this months meeting, but the one before that I believe it was mentioned that membership had dropped by almost half from last year. Perhaps you could post info here about how to join etc... Todd

Hi, Dee - I think the "in-law" was supposed to be in relation to the head of house, but you will never know for sure. Some census takers may have done better at getting it right than others. The census taker always recorded in relation to the head of house where I have come across in-laws. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dan & Dee Yeager [mailto:dyeager@urx.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:27 AM To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Census relationships I have a general census question if no one minds. It has nothing to do about Knox County specifically It regards relationships in the various census reports. The head of house is listed as just that, be it a man or a woman. Sons are sons and daughters are daughters. But what about mother-in-laws? I have a family in which first cousins married each other, so they shared the same last name, before and after marriage. In a census report a mother-in-law is living with them. Would the mother-in-law be the mother-in-law of the head of house? Or could it be the mother-in-law of the wife, if she were the one to give the information. The problem is that both mothers shared the same first name and were born just a few years apart and the age given is right between the age of both mothers. Does anyone know if the census takers would ask? Dee

Todd, Thanks for putting the map's out there I managed to save 2 Walnut Grove and Lynn townships before they were yanked off. I also agree that Knox County by far has the best Website! Illinois in general does a great job. Thanks again! Sue Voller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Walter" <sumwal@winco.net> To: <ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] A Found Tombstone-Thurman > Does anyone have the 1870 census that could look up this name in Maquon, > Salem, or Chestnut? He's not listed in 1860. > > > At 10:51 PM 6/19/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Today, while helping my cousin do some work on his house east of Maquon, we > >unearthed a tombstone that someone had propped the house up with. The name > >on it was Alfred Thurman died August 31, 1870, age 11 years, 6 months, and > >16 days. Does anyone know which family he belongs to? > > > > Todd in Maquon > > > > >

Dear Todd, I will check in my family listings and see if I can find where he fits. I have to do it later, as I have my plate full this A.M. Temp here in AZ today is 106. It is very HOT. Cynthia C. Griebel HOUSE, EASTMAN, ABEL, THURMAN, ACKERMAN, BURD

Bob, Rex and Todd: I well remember in 1970 when there was nothing published, and NO indexes, not even to the 1878 History, and no Genealogical Society either. We did things the hard way, but managed to get back 10 generations, with help by snail mail from others. We were grateful .I would not like to go back to those days for many reasons. I do think that putting Indexes on line would be helpful to many people, but the most important thing in my mind is that they document their information. At the present I see very little evidence of that being done. They are NOT genealogists, only genealogical information collectors and are exchanging the information without proof. This is not my SOLE opinion.See hhtp:/va.genealogy.50megs.com/sources.htm ... Also the local members of KCGS are few and far between who are searching in Knox County, but we are providing a service for the out- of- towners, and our Library visitors in the summer months are numerous, from all over the USA, who are searching in Knox County. Enough history. Just keep up the good work and we would be happy to welcome Rex back and Bob as members of the organization. Perhaps if Bob would come and let us know what he is attempting to accomplish there would be less criticism. Thanks for letting me air may veiws Ruth. >From: Todd Walter <sumwal@winco.net> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Maps, Rex, Ruth, Bob >Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2001, 4:45 AM > > OK, my turn to speak up. I'M THE ONE THAT SENT BOB THE MAPS. In my >original message to him I said I had a reprint and asked if he'd like to >post it. In no way did I misrepresent what I scanned. I thought (and still >do think) it would be an excellant addition to the site. It was my poor >choice of words calling it an "Atlas". If my scanner could handle, it's too >big, the original 1870 Atlas THAT I OWN, it would be on there too. I have >communicated with him about this and I will take the blame. It's over, they >aren't there any more. WHAT A SHAME. And no, I wasn't asking for any >special credit, I USED to enjoy sharing what I have. > There is nothing "suspicious" about it Rex, I scanned them out of the >KCGS book. I still don't believe you can copyright a 140 year old map, >perhaps if I had cropped the page headings, identifying numbers, and the >irrelevant lines around Galesburg and Knoxville, this would not have been a >problem. By the way, I'm a member of KCGS. > If none of you have been to the Knox Co. website lately, you should. Bob >is doing a better job on this (much, much better) than most any other >county sites I've been to and I would hope that he will still trust me to >keep adding items of interest, of which I've added dozens in the last >couple months. Maybe your family isn't from South East Knox, but somebodies >might be, and it could be interesting anyway. My hat is off to Bob. I wish >that more of you would submit your info, be it your grandmothers memoirs >(look under Owen in families) or letters or whatever, he'll find a place >for it. Believe me, these things could be lost forever. Ruth, what can you >add. > > TODD IN MAQUON > > > >At 06:02 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Thanks Ruth and Bob: >> I hadn't pullled my copy of the Thompson map off the shelf and had >>forgotten how much work Jean Forbes had done. I did check and the Thompson >>map was not an atlas in its original form but was a wall map; Jean had to >>do a lot of work to make the atlas. It seems if we are to err, better to >>err in the direction of giving someone more credit than deserved than >>giving someone who deserves much credit none at all. >>Rex >> >> At 10:55 AM 6/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >>>Rex: The 1861 Maps of Knox County were compiled originally by Thompson, and >>>I have no idea in what form. It was "Compiled, drawn and Published from >>>County Records" etc. and finally published with the work done by Jean >>>Forbes, who Indexed it. It was NOT copyrighted as far as I am able to >>>determine. I have no knowledge of the source of the one on the web page. >>>---------- >>>Ruth >>> >From: Rex Cherrington <Cherrington@gallatinriver.net> >>> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2001, 2:36 AM >>> >>> > Ruth, >>> > As I recall, the 1861 Thompson map was not an atlas but a wall map, in >>> >it's original form. The Knox County Genealogical Society made it into an >>> >atlas. The one on the web-site looks suspiciously similar to the work >>> >that was created from the Thompson map, copyrighted and sold by the Knox >>> >County Genealogical Society. The page headings, typing of the identifying >>> >numbers and the line around the city limits of Galesburg all look so >>> >similar. Do you know of this 1861 map being made into an atlas by any >>> >person or organization other than the Knox County Genealogical >>> >Society? Hopefully the source of the one on the web-site will be >revealed >>> >and the similarities will be explained and there wasn't any copying of the >>> >Society's work. Just curious to hear your thoughts. >>> >Rex >>> > >>> > At 03:45 PM 6/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >>> >> Bob: I AM referring to the 1861 Atlas maps that were published and >>> Indexed >>> >>by the Knox County society. but I fail to see the difference as an >atlas is >>> >>a bound collection of maps. Is your collection something special? Just >need >>> >>clarification. >>> >> >>> >>Ruth >>> >>---------- >>> >> >From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >>> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >Subject: RE: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 11:53 PM >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >Hi Ruth, >>> >> > >>> >> >I think you are referring to the 1861 Atlas of Knox County that has >been >>> >> >duplicated and published by the Knox County Genealogical Society (see >>> their >>> >> >publications list at >>> >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/home/kcgs_publications.htm). It is a >>> great >>> >> >paper resource, as are all of their publications. >>> >> > >>> >> >My goal is to get some (not all) of this information online for all >>> to see >>> >> >and search electronically. >>> >> > >>> >> >Best wishes, >>> >> >Bob Miller >>> >> > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >>> >> >From: Ruth Ragsdale [mailto:ruth@galesburg.net] >>> >> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:46 AM >>> >> >To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >Subject: Re: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >This 1861 map has been Indexed and published some years ago. The >>> secret is >>> >> >knowing where to find it! >>> >> > >>> >> >---------- >>> >> >>From: "Bob Miller" <Bob_Miller@rdmiller.com> >>> >> >>To: ILKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >>Subject: [ILKNOX-L] 1861 Knox County Township Platt Maps >>> >> >>Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001, 6:24 PM >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>I have just added 1861 Platt maps for all of the Knox County >>> townships to >>> >> >>the Knox County USGenWeb site. You can see links to them at >>> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/maps.htm. Be aware that the >>> full-size >>> >> >>maps are rather large and may take a little time to load over slower >>> >> >>Internet connections. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>I would like to find volunteers to transcribe the readable names in >>> each of >>> >> >>the sections of the maps so that they can be listed on the >>> website. This >>> >> >>will allow site visitors to find those on the maps using the Search >>> feature >>> >> >>on the website. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>If you are interested in helping, contact me beforehand so that I can >>> >> >update >>> >> >>a list of the maps and sections being worked on. This will avoid >>> duplicate >>> >> >>work. Thanks for your help. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Bob Miller >>> >> >>Site Coordinator >>> >> >>Knox County, Illinois, USGenWeb >>> >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/ >>> >> >>Share your genealogy research with others! >>> >> >>Upload your GEDCOM file to RootsWeb at: >>> >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >