Hi Grace, I would be happy to look in the Elgin papers for this obit. Also, growing up here in Elgin, we lived across the street from a HABERKAMP family. I remember the son's name was Ray. The family was from the Dundee/Carpentersville area. Ricky Harris

The Elgin Daily Courier was published and I don't remember what the Dundee paper was called and they did have accidents and deaths in them. Marci ----- Original Message ----- From: grace w gathman <wallace26@juno.com> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: [ILKANE] HABERKAMP///KAGEL > I recently had a bonanza of a find on the Haberkamp family that I have > been searching for years. Many of them lived in the > Dundee/Carpentersville area for better than 50 years > Does anyone know what paper was published in the area for those two > towns? Would news of accidents or deaths been published in the Elgin > papers? > I am particularly looking for the June 16-20, 1962 when Duane R Kagel > died at age 22. Would appreciate any ideas. > If anyone is looking for the collateral lines of these families, I > would be glad to help--HABERKAMP--GATHMAN--BELLOWS--WIENKE--WIENRICH. > Thanks Grace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > The companion web site for this list is found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilkane a part of the ILGenWeb Project. > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

I recently had a bonanza of a find on the Haberkamp family that I have been searching for years. Many of them lived in the Dundee/Carpentersville area for better than 50 years Does anyone know what paper was published in the area for those two towns? Would news of accidents or deaths been published in the Elgin papers? I am particularly looking for the June 16-20, 1962 when Duane R Kagel died at age 22. Would appreciate any ideas. If anyone is looking for the collateral lines of these families, I would be glad to help--HABERKAMP--GATHMAN--BELLOWS--WIENKE--WIENRICH. Thanks Grace

HI, I am researching these families. Mostly they were in Elgin area... Does the historical society have any information on these family.. Anyone out there researching this?? Debbe Hagner

For those that missed the cutoff for the free death certificates from the IL state archives, this may help: http://www.rootdig.com/illinoisdeathcertificates.html Fred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Anyone have access to the 1860 census index that can tell me where August J F Polzien family is located in Illinois. Polzien name is spelled severial ways in the census as noted below. 1870 census they are in Batavia, Illinois age 52 name spelled Palsenir in Heritage Quest 1880 Batavia, Illinois age 61 name spelled as Polsean in LDS Thanks Fred

Hi Joyce. I don't have any info on Ed Betts, Jr. other than he was born in 1905 (found him at age 15 in the 1920 census living in St. Charles with his father). So far my research has focused on his father, Edward Betts Sr. (my great-great grandfather) and Edward's first daughter, Ruth (my great grandmother). But it's most likely the Ed you mentioned and my Ed are one and the same! Thanks for responding. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: JoyceJ1@aol.com To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: [ILKANE] BETTS Hi, I remember my dad, Lyle Rolfe, mentioning the name Ed Betts when I was young. Do you know if Ed, who was born in 1905 worked for Marshall's Grocery store on River St. in Aurora in the 30's? My dad was born in 1910, but lived in Aurora all his life. He worked at Marshall's grocery delivering groceries and then was a city bus driver for over 25 years. I don't have any history on the Betts family, but it was interesting to recognize a name from my past. Joyce Johnson ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb.

Hi, I remember my dad, Lyle Rolfe, mentioning the name Ed Betts when I was young. Do you know if Ed, who was born in 1905 worked for Marshall's Grocery store on River St. in Aurora in the 30's? My dad was born in 1910, but lived in Aurora all his life. He worked at Marshall's grocery delivering groceries and then was a city bus driver for over 25 years. I don't have any history on the Betts family, but it was interesting to recognize a name from my past. Joyce Johnson

Hi That is so interesting. My mom said she had forgotten about Ruth, but faintly remembers her. Hard to believe she got married at 15, imagine she was young when she had her children then. we moved there in 29 or 30 I think. Was your father related to any of the other Andersons in STC? I wondered about the big gap in age between her and Vern. Have you ever been to STC? Did you get any more information on an obit for E that died in the unavoidable accident? Marci ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > Hi Marci. Yes, I am a descendent of the Betts family. Edwin/Edward S Betts (b 1867) is my great-great grandfather. His daughter, Ruth Agatha Betts (b 1891), is my great grandmother. Ruth married my great grandfather, Clark Anderson, in 1906 -- she was only 15!. They had two children while living in St. Charles, Clark Raymond (b 1907--my grandfather) and Violet Lucille (b 1908). Ruth & Clark divorced (date unknown but before 1915) and Ruth remarried 4 more times. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marci > To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > > > I asked my mom and she said the sister's name was Vallie Betts. Don't know > about the married name. > Also am sorry I left out a 'c" on chronicle web page. Correct address is: > http://www.kcchronicle.com > Are you a descendent of the Betts family? Marci > > P.S. I forgot to ask my mom if she knew the Ruth Betts, as I don't remember > her. > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

Ricky, That would be wonderful. Thank You Joanne

Hi Marci. Yes, I am a descendent of the Betts family. Edwin/Edward S Betts (b 1867) is my great-great grandfather. His daughter, Ruth Agatha Betts (b 1891), is my great grandmother. Ruth married my great grandfather, Clark Anderson, in 1906 -- she was only 15!. They had two children while living in St. Charles, Clark Raymond (b 1907--my grandfather) and Violet Lucille (b 1908). Ruth & Clark divorced (date unknown but before 1915) and Ruth remarried 4 more times. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marci To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 I asked my mom and she said the sister's name was Vallie Betts. Don't know about the married name. Also am sorry I left out a 'c" on chronicle web page. Correct address is: http://www.kcchronicle.com Are you a descendent of the Betts family? Marci P.S. I forgot to ask my mom if she knew the Ruth Betts, as I don't remember her.

I asked my mom and she said the sister's name was Vallie Betts. Don't know about the married name. Also am sorry I left out a 'c" on chronicle web page. Correct address is: http://www.kcchronicle.com Are you a descendent of the Betts family? Marci P.S. I forgot to ask my mom if she knew the Ruth Betts, as I don't remember her. ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > In Ruth Betts/Haill's obit, it lists her sister as Ballie Herman, but on the census she is listed as Vallie. > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marci > To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > > > My mom is 94 and still living but not in StC anymore either and I will ask > her about Vallie or Ballie. I don't recall this person but yet the name > Vallie Betts kind of rings a bell. > > Marci > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> > To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:24 AM > Subject: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > > > > I am researching the Betts (Betz) family who lived in the St. Charles & > Geneva area from about 1880 to 1920+: > > > > Jacob Betz (1812 - abt 1875-1880) > > Anna Maria Betz (12/29/1835 - 08/07/1923) > > Edwin Betts (08/09/1867 - 02/28/1920) > > (married Hermione Parker & Anna Hinmon & Possibly Elsie Decker) > > Ruth Agatha Betts (01/19/1891 - 03/24/1964) -- married Clark > Anderson > > Verne (1904 - ?) > > Edward Jr. (1905 - ?) > > Ballie or Vallie (1907 - ?) > > > > Margaret J > > Greenville, Wisconsin > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > You can contact the list administrator for this list by sending a > message to mailto:ILKANE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > You can contact the list administrator for this list by sending a > message to mailto:ILKANE-admin@rootsweb.com > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

Thanks, guess I copied it wrong, doesn't pay to be in a hurry. Marci ----- Original Message ----- From: Spriet <spriet.dewaele@pandora.be> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > Hi Marci > In the address of the cronicle you forgot a c the right address is > http://www.kcchronicle.com > Regards > Christiane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marci" <rolmar3364@usfamily.net> > To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > > > > The newspaper was the St. Charles Chronicle and is now known as the Kane > > County Chronicle. They have a web site: http://www.kchronicle.com > > you might be able to get archives from I grew up in STC and I knew Vern > and > > Ed Betts the sons. In fact Vern Betts bought my parents house in the > early > > 1950's. Vern was a pharmacist with Helmer Drugs on Main St. and Ed worked > > at Operadio (Dukane Corp now). If I remember right they both went to St. > > Mark's Lutheran Church in St. Charles that I attended. Don't know if they > > would have any records on them or not as I knew they went there when I was > a > > little girl but can't remember where they were buried from or the dates > they > > died. > > > > Marci > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> > > To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:15 AM > > Subject: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > > > > > > > I am looking for the death notice for Edward Betts who died on > 02/28/1920 > > (52 y old). Edward is listed in the 1920 Saint Charles Township census. > He > > was a miller who worked in Geneva. His cause of death is listed as due to > > an "unavoidable accident" so I'm wondering if there might be a write-up in > > the paper in addition to his obituary due to the nature of his death. > > > > > > Can anyone do a look-up on this or give me a lead as to the St. Charles > > and/or Geneva newspaper that was around during this time period? > > > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > Margaret J. > > > Greenville, Wisconsin > > > > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > > > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

Hi Marci In the address of the cronicle you forgot a c the right address is http://www.kcchronicle.com Regards Christiane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marci" <rolmar3364@usfamily.net> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > The newspaper was the St. Charles Chronicle and is now known as the Kane > County Chronicle. They have a web site: http://www.kchronicle.com > you might be able to get archives from I grew up in STC and I knew Vern and > Ed Betts the sons. In fact Vern Betts bought my parents house in the early > 1950's. Vern was a pharmacist with Helmer Drugs on Main St. and Ed worked > at Operadio (Dukane Corp now). If I remember right they both went to St. > Mark's Lutheran Church in St. Charles that I attended. Don't know if they > would have any records on them or not as I knew they went there when I was a > little girl but can't remember where they were buried from or the dates they > died. > > Marci > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> > To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:15 AM > Subject: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > > > > I am looking for the death notice for Edward Betts who died on 02/28/1920 > (52 y old). Edward is listed in the 1920 Saint Charles Township census. He > was a miller who worked in Geneva. His cause of death is listed as due to > an "unavoidable accident" so I'm wondering if there might be a write-up in > the paper in addition to his obituary due to the nature of his death. > > > > Can anyone do a look-up on this or give me a lead as to the St. Charles > and/or Geneva newspaper that was around during this time period? > > > > Thanks for the help! > > Margaret J. > > Greenville, Wisconsin > > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > >

Hey Ricky I hope you have not forgot me Christiane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ricrac186@aol.com> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up > Hi Margaret, > I'll see what I can find for you. Anything else while I'm there? The > Elgin Courier has lots of information about people living in St. Charles. > There was also a family here in Elgin named Betts. > > Ricky Harris > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > The companion web site for this list is found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilkane a part of the ILGenWeb Project. > >

Hi Joanne, I'll do it for you. Ricky Harris

Hello List, Is there anyone with access to old newspapers in Elgin, IL who could lookup for: John F. WENDT d. June 11, 1920 in Kane County, Elgin, IL. Augusta Sophia WENDT d. Oct. 31, 1934 in Kane County, Elgin, IL. Thank You, Joanne Reno, NV. JYardDog51@aol.com

Hi Margaret, I'll see what I can find for you. Anything else while I'm there? The Elgin Courier has lots of information about people living in St. Charles. There was also a family here in Elgin named Betts. Ricky Harris

Ricky, WOW ... what a generous offer ... I don't know what else you could find there for me? How about an obit on Anna Maria Betts (nee Grus) who died 08/07/1923? She died in California, but lived most of her life in Cook & Kane County and was buried in St. Charles. My brick wall is Jacob Betz/Betts, the head of this family. He was born in 1812 in Bavaria and died sometime between 1875 and 1880 -- cannot find any record of marriage to Anna or of his death. Most of the Betts family is buried in the St. Charles Township Cemetery, but I don't think Jacob is there; haven't been able to get a hold of the cemetery yet. I find myself walking around the house saying to myself, "where is Jacob, where could he be." It's like he disappeared. Anyway ... Do you know the first names of the Betts' who lived in Elgin? Not sure they'd be related, but at this point ya never know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ricrac186@aol.com To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] 1920 Obit Look up Hi Margaret, I'll see what I can find for you. Anything else while I'm there? The Elgin Courier has lots of information about people living in St. Charles. There was also a family here in Elgin named Betts. Ricky Harris ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== The companion web site for this list is found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilkane a part of the ILGenWeb Project.

In Ruth Betts/Haill's obit, it lists her sister as Ballie Herman, but on the census she is listed as Vallie. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: Marci To: ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 My mom is 94 and still living but not in StC anymore either and I will ask her about Vallie or Ballie. I don't recall this person but yet the name Vallie Betts kind of rings a bell. Marci ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Johnson <mjohnson@milwpc.com> To: <ILKANE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: [ILKANE] BETTS>St. Charles &Geneva>1880-1920 > I am researching the Betts (Betz) family who lived in the St. Charles & Geneva area from about 1880 to 1920+: > > Jacob Betz (1812 - abt 1875-1880) > Anna Maria Betz (12/29/1835 - 08/07/1923) > Edwin Betts (08/09/1867 - 02/28/1920) > (married Hermione Parker & Anna Hinmon & Possibly Elsie Decker) > Ruth Agatha Betts (01/19/1891 - 03/24/1964) -- married Clark Anderson > Verne (1904 - ?) > Edward Jr. (1905 - ?) > Ballie or Vallie (1907 - ?) > > Margaret J > Greenville, Wisconsin > > > > > ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== > Software and hardware for this list are provided courtesy of RootsWeb. > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ==== ILKANE Mailing List ==== You can contact the list administrator for this list by sending a message to mailto:ILKANE-admin@rootsweb.com