KELLY; My dad grew up with some Dundee Haverkamps. I'll be getting some info on them and Otto Melahn for Chris (are you still out there Chris?). Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Haverkampf <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] Dundee Prussians > Chris, > > Dundee was (and still is to the best of my knowledge) heavily German - > Prussian, Neidersachsen and Bavarian. Many of the original settlers' names > were still big names in town when I left in 1970. Names include Bruhn, > Albrecht, Haertel, Holtz, Mueller or Miller, Nehls, Lemke, Schmidt, > etc. My g-g-grandfather Heinrich "Henry" Haverkampf was one of the > original village incorporators/trustees from what I can gather from the > Dundee history books. He emigrated from Stade, Hannover in 1864. Family > stories say there was a big division between the German Lutherans and > Methodists in the late 1800s - early 1900s, hence East Dundee and West > Dundee. (There were also a lot of Scots) A walk through the two major > cemeteries, East and West, seems to support this. Incidentally, my family > tree includes a Mehlan by marriage, as well as well as Wachser and > Witt (shirttails). > > At 03:17 PM 6/3/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Mary, > >Just curious: were Carl et al. from Pommern/Western Prussia? I ask because I > >have been researching several families in Dundee and Carpentersville, and it > >sure seems like it must have been a collection point for folks from Western > >Prussia. Many seemed to come from the Stralsund District. > > > >Anyone able to comment on my observation? I don't live in the area, and > >actually have never been able to travel there. During 1890-1920 or so were > >the Dundee and Carpentersville communities notably of German background? Or > >is that my imagination based on census records of those living near my > >relatives? > > > >Chris > > > >Researching: MELAHN, RAKOW, BARTELS, WASHER, SUND, WITT, DOSS, GRUEL >

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Thanks to all for the helpful advice in my up coming trip to Elgin. Robbie

Billy; There was a Covey family in Crystal Lake, IL in the 1960's. I went to H S with Carlin Covey. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Billy Covey <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: [ILKANE] Covey > Hi Folks: > > I am looking for a branch of the COVEY family that moved to Illinois. > I don't have any idea where so this is probably a shot in the dark > They would have migrated from Maryland or Tennessee if that is any > help. Thanks in advance for what you can offer. > > http://home.att.net/~billcovey/index.html > www.1stBooks.com > > Bill Covey > Author of: Watson Is Where It Wuz > Creator of: Ol' Tubby Joe Stottlemeyer > >

Robbie...here are some helpful hints for your research trip to Elgin. Bill Blohm is the Genealogy Librarian at the Gail Borden Library. It would be a good idea to contact him. His schedule varies from week to week. He does work every Tuesday (split shift) morning and then late afternoon til close. The library is open from 9 to 9 M-Thurs, 9-5 (or 6) on Friday andSaturday and closed on Sundays during the summer. The copiers uses $1.00 bills but the microfilm machines use dimes only. There is a color copier that is $ .75. The Elgin Township Probate records are part of the collection at the Elgin Area Historical Society. There is an index to these records on the Elgin Genealogical Society web page. In order to view the records you need to contact the museum director, Liz Marston. Her Email address will be at the end of this note. They charge $.25 for each copy. The museum docents are there to help visitors not researchers, so Liz will either help you herself or arrange for someone familiar with the probates to help you. It's probably not a good idea to just show up and ask to see the records. Be sure to ask Liz what the museum hours are during the summer. If you have any more questions, please do contact me. Happy to help. Judy Van Dusen Elgin EAHS email: [email protected]

Hi Folks: I am looking for a branch of the COVEY family that moved to Illinois. I don't have any idea where so this is probably a shot in the dark They would have migrated from Maryland or Tennessee if that is any help. Thanks in advance for what you can offer. http://home.att.net/~billcovey/index.html www.1stBooks.com Bill Covey Author of: Watson Is Where It Wuz Creator of: Ol' Tubby Joe Stottlemeyer

Robbie Some time ago Kane Co distributed their original Probate Records to repositories around the county. I would image the Gail Borden Library has them for Elgin but if not they will know who does have them They are a gold mine of information Doug Little Florida At 07:00 AM 6/7/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In July I will be going to Elgin for a two day trip which will include >researching genealogy. Can someone tell me how I can make the best use >of my genealogy time while there. I know that the Gail Borden Library >is there..is that the best place for research in Elgin/ > >Thank You >Robbie > >

Robbie, I spent a few hours at the Gail Borden library while visiting in April and found loads of information. Let them know ahead of time and schedule to meet with one of the historians to show you around the research area. I will be definitely going back to continue my research. They are GREAT! Janet Pearson ----- Original Message ----- From: robbie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [ILKANE] > In July I will be going to Elgin for a two day trip which will include > researching genealogy. Can someone tell me how I can make the best use > of my genealogy time while there. I know that the Gail Borden Library > is there..is that the best place for research in Elgin/ > > Thank You > Robbie > > > > >

In a message dated 06/07/2000 8:02:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << In July I will be going to Elgin for a two day trip which will include researching genealogy. Can someone tell me how I can make the best use of my genealogy time while there. I know that the Gail Borden Library is there..is that the best place for research in Elgin/ >> Information on Gail Borden Library and the Historical Society is available on my site. <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ilkane/">~ilkane at freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com</A> Look under RESOURCES. Hope you find something helpful

In July I will be going to Elgin for a two day trip which will include researching genealogy. Can someone tell me how I can make the best use of my genealogy time while there. I know that the Gail Borden Library is there..is that the best place for research in Elgin/ Thank You Robbie

I understand there is a Historical Society that has records. I have not been able to visit them, but the staff have been very helpful to me by the mail. Check their open hours before going so you can visit them. Susanne

Kelly, Nice to hear from you. I appreciate the information--very interesting. That Mehlan you mentioned: do have more information available? MELAHN is frequently spelled in a variety of forms, perhaps I would be able to recognize the name. Again, thank you for your note, Chris

>Debbie > >Looking for GAHAN in Elgin Grace Gahan, widow of David, living at 270 Morgan St., Elgin, 1940. Occupation listed as "clerk Souster" in 1940 City Directory.

Chris, Dundee was (and still is to the best of my knowledge) heavily German - Prussian, Neidersachsen and Bavarian. Many of the original settlers' names were still big names in town when I left in 1970. Names include Bruhn, Albrecht, Haertel, Holtz, Mueller or Miller, Nehls, Lemke, Schmidt, etc. My g-g-grandfather Heinrich "Henry" Haverkampf was one of the original village incorporators/trustees from what I can gather from the Dundee history books. He emigrated from Stade, Hannover in 1864. Family stories say there was a big division between the German Lutherans and Methodists in the late 1800s - early 1900s, hence East Dundee and West Dundee. (There were also a lot of Scots) A walk through the two major cemeteries, East and West, seems to support this. Incidentally, my family tree includes a Mehlan by marriage, as well as well as Wachser and Witt (shirttails). At 03:17 PM 6/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >Mary, >Just curious: were Carl et al. from Pommern/Western Prussia? I ask because I >have been researching several families in Dundee and Carpentersville, and it >sure seems like it must have been a collection point for folks from Western >Prussia. Many seemed to come from the Stralsund District. > >Anyone able to comment on my observation? I don't live in the area, and >actually have never been able to travel there. During 1890-1920 or so were >the Dundee and Carpentersville communities notably of German background? Or >is that my imagination based on census records of those living near my >relatives? > >Chris > >Researching: MELAHN, RAKOW, BARTELS, WASHER, SUND, WITT, DOSS, GRUEL

Hello list, Does anyone have access to the 1900 or 1910 census index or soundex? I have access to both census, but not the index or soundex. I need a lookup done on the following family: Robert Wilson in Elgin. He would have the following children: Harold, George, Roy and possibly a daughter by 1910. Some of these children would have been born between 1900 and 1910, so they won't all be on the 1900 census. His wife's name was possibly Wilhelmina or Minnie. I would really appreciate any help. I can do the actual lookup on the census, I just need a reference or page number. Thanks! Bobbie

Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:48:57 -0700 Hi Debbie, I grew up across the street from The First Baptist Church of Batavia and attended there from birth til my marriage (my ancestor, Judge Isaac Wilson [Wilson Street] donated the property for the church). What are your ancestor's names? I have a church history I'd be happy to send you, if you're interested, but don't have a list of the members that far back. I was just back visiting my family last month, and usually attend when I visit. I wish my scanner were working. I would scan you a photo of it. If you're interested in contacting the church secretary re your query, the phone number is 630-879-1558. The present pastor is Richard Watts. There are photos on the wall of all the past pastors and baptismal classes. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Linda Hoover Garrison Vancouver, WA [email protected]

Janet, My Carl Rosenthal is the one you listed the Social Security information for from Cropsey IL. He had been living in the Elgin area when my father, Carl F. Rosenthal, was born in 1947. I do know from old cancelled checks that Carl A. Rosenthal was living in the Algonquin IL area in the middle 60's with his wife Dorothy Ida Van Dusen. I do know many of Carl A.'s brothers and sisters stayed in the Kane County area. I will post a list of them as soon as I get confirmation from my father on a couple of details. Thanks, Mary>:-) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Chris, I honestly don't know if my Rosenthals came from Pommern/ Western Prussia. I don't have much information past what I posted. Family legend has it that Otto Rosenthal emigrated from somewhere in Germany with his parents, and that either he or his father were tailors (nothing confirmed on that though, not even the father's name.) If I do find something out I will let you know. Mary>:-) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

You might try Crystal Lake in McHenry County, IL as there was a Rosenthal Lumber Company. The family were of German Ancestory we think. They may be of some relation. Family lived there for several generations. We are researching the Shales and Crabtrees of McHenry County and several branches of them migrated to Kane and Dupage counties. We find that there were a lot of families who located in these 3 counties. David & Sally Buck Fairfield, Illinois Researching: Shales, Crabtree, Ocock, Knapp in McHenry, Kane, Dupage, Lake Counties, Illinois 1850 to present. > From: "Janet" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILKANE] Carl Augustus Rosenthal, born in St James, MN 2/18/1904 > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:45:19 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Reply-to: [email protected] > Mary, > > Found a couple of possibilities.. Also asked my mother if she knew any > Rosenthal's while growing up in Elgin (1925 - 1952) and she didn't know of > any. > > CARL ROSENTHAL > SSN 349-01-1366 Residence: 61731 Cropsey, Mc Lean, IL > Born 18 Feb 1904 Last Benefit: > Died Nov 1979 Issued: IL (Before 1951) > > Rosenthal, Carl A 1904- > International Who's Who in Music and Musicians' Directory. Eighth edition. > Cambridge: International Who's Who in Music, 1977. Earlier editions > published as "Who's Who in Music and Musicians' International Directory". > (IntWWM 77) > International Who's Who in Music and Musicians' Directory. Ninth edition. > Edited by Adrian Gaster. Cambridge: International Who's Who in Music, 1980. > Earlier editions published as "Who's Who in Music and Musicians' > International Directory". (IntWWM 80) > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary B Mansfield <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 12:20 PM > Subject: [ILKANE] Carl Augustus Rosenthal, born in St James, MN 2/18/1904 > > > > Hi everyone, I am new to this list. > > > > I am looking for information on the ancestors of my grandfather, Carl > > Augustus Rosenthal, born in St. James MN on February 18, 1904. His > > parents names were Otto Emil Rosenthal and Mary Hubb. Otto and Mary had > > four other children, Arthur, William, Ruth, and Alice. > > > > After Mary Hubb's death, Otto married Ruth "Rudy" Hubb. Together they > > had another 5 children: Mary, Joanne, Emil, Franklin, and Marty. > > > > Sometime after my grandfather's birth they moved to Illinois, eventually > > ending up in Kane County. > > > > Does anyone have any information on this line? This has been a brick > > wall for me for the last year. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Mary>:-) > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > >