This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1065.1.1 Message Board Post: According to the 1880 census, they lived in Bloomfield Township. C W Miller went by Wesley and was living with his daughter Perlinia ? age 15. Sarah Miller ( Wesley's mother ) died 7 Feb 1874 near Sanborn, Johnson Co.IL Hoping this will be of help and thank you for your interest. Dean

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2g.2ADE/1065.1 Message Board Post: I have most if not all of the cemetery books for Johnson Co. I checked for the names your looking for but didn't find them. Do you know what township they lived in?

The following individuals are listed as being buried in the Fain Cemetery, Cache Township, Johnson County, IL: Herman Wright son of M. A. and S. C. Wright Polina G. daughter of M. A. and S. C. Wright. Does anyone know who M. A. and S. C. Wright were? Thanks. Regards, Rebel Kreklow rkreklow@mindspring.com

Make sure you go to the Courthouse in MOUND CITY, the City of MOUNDS does not have a courthouse. Also there is a Library in MOUND CITY located on HIGH ST. Charlotte > wdm3h@aol.com wrote: > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > >Classification: Query > > > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1066 > > > >Message Board Post: > > > >Anyone who has suggestions, > >I am traveling to Vienna in Johnson County and Mounds in Pulaski county to do some family research.. Anyone with good places to research, PLEASE suggest them to me... > >Thanks > > > > > >==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > >Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.s tates.illinois.counties.johnson > > > >__________ NOD32 1.1536 (20060513) Information __________ > > > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

I would suggest Vienna Library. When my daughter comes in from Syracuse, NY we always make a trip up there. They are very helpful.

I don't see them listed in the Vienna Fraternal Cem. Mara In a message dated 5/13/2006 6:13:32 PM Central Daylight Time, mmiller96@cox.net writes: Sarah ( Sally ) and C W ( Sarah' son ) Miller lived and died in Johnson Co. IL in the 1870's and 1880s. Sarah died 1874 and her son sometime after that. If anyone would have the cemetery buial books for Johnson Co.IL and would look up their grave sites for me I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Dean ====

The Courthouse and Library are both good places to check in Johnson County! The Library is across the street from the Courthouse and I don't know what times its open through the week! Mounds City Courthouse is also a good place but you have to go through metal detectors there! John wdm3h@aol.com wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1066 > >Message Board Post: > >Anyone who has suggestions, >I am traveling to Vienna in Johnson County and Mounds in Pulaski county to do some family research.. Anyone with good places to research, PLEASE suggest them to me... >Thanks > > >==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson > >__________ NOD32 1.1536 (20060513) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > > > >

I find a Sarah or Sally several times in the census, but I don't find one in the cemetery books. Do you know the husband's name? I didn't find anyone in the census with the initials C.W. Miller.... Would Wesley Miller be the name of her husband? Do you think they lived in the bloomfield area? Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: <mmiller96@cox.net> To: <ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] The cemetery where Sarah and C W Miller are buried. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Miller > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1065 > > Message Board Post: > > Sarah ( Sally ) and C W ( Sarah' son ) Miller lived and died in Johnson Co. IL in the 1870's and 1880s. > Sarah died 1874 and her son sometime after that. > If anyone would have the cemetery buial books for Johnson Co.IL and would look up their grave sites for me I would greatly appreciate it. > Thank you > Dean > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/06 > >

The library is open as follows: 1PM - 5PM Monday through Wednesday and Friday through Saturday. Closed Thursday and Sunday. The Librarian Margaret Mathis is the best...........in spite of being a relative (grin). Also check out the historical society while you are there. Regards, Rebel Kreklow > [Original Message] > From: John M. Hines, Sr. <jhines@ma.rr.com> > To: <ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/13/2006 5:22:53 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Traveling to Johnson county > > The Courthouse and Library are both good places to check in Johnson > County! The Library is across the street from the Courthouse and I > don't know what times its open through the week! Mounds City Courthouse > is also a good place but you have to go through metal detectors there! > > John > > wdm3h@aol.com wrote: > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > >Classification: Query > > > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1066 > > > >Message Board Post: > > > >Anyone who has suggestions, > >I am traveling to Vienna in Johnson County and Mounds in Pulaski county to do some family research.. Anyone with good places to research, PLEASE suggest them to me... > >Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1066 Message Board Post: Anyone who has suggestions, I am traveling to Vienna in Johnson County and Mounds in Pulaski county to do some family research.. Anyone with good places to research, PLEASE suggest them to me... Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1065 Message Board Post: Sarah ( Sally ) and C W ( Sarah' son ) Miller lived and died in Johnson Co. IL in the 1870's and 1880s. Sarah died 1874 and her son sometime after that. If anyone would have the cemetery buial books for Johnson Co.IL and would look up their grave sites for me I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Dean

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hudspeth Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/947.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Jerri, I am not ignoring you.........busy as a bee right now.....educator.....a few more weeks and I will have time to check into everything and will get back with you.

Osiyo M's Ellen, Thank your for taking the time to comment as well as read. "Sounds" right to me, also! Grandma Oliver would say that folks spoke and wrote without "airs". She, also, said that they were taught to read before they went to school, 'cause they used the Bible as reading material. Many of those speech markers are left overs from northern Irish and Lowland Scots. Wado, Bill Oliver ILJOHNSO-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > Re: [ILJOHNSO] Little Egypt Heritage, Ullans, 7 May 2006, Vol 5 #17 > From: > Emandrwm@aol.com > Date: > Tue, 9 May 2006 09:56:08 EDT > To: > ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Always enjoy the write-ups, but one thing really stuck out in this last >one--the use of "t" for "ed." My husband's gr grandmother left little >diaries--like composition books, written in pencil. When I first began typing them, I >saw the term, like, "John past." At first I thought someone had died, but >when the person appeared later, I finally realized, she meant "John came by their >house" and probably visited for a little while. Now I realize it wasn't too >unusual. Ellen Moore > >

Always enjoy the write-ups, but one thing really stuck out in this last one--the use of "t" for "ed." My husband's gr grandmother left little diaries--like composition books, written in pencil. When I first began typing them, I saw the term, like, "John past." At first I thought someone had died, but when the person appeared later, I finally realized, she meant "John came by their house" and probably visited for a little while. Now I realize it wasn't too unusual. Ellen Moore

Three more expressions heard among old timers in southern Illinois: "Ah'll swon!" An expression of amazement. "Without" or sometimes, "Thout." It means "unless," as in, "Ah cain't do this, thout you do that." "Airy," means the article "a." "He don't have airy hammer." (Originally "e'er a"). ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill<mailto:wnoliver@worldnet.att.net> To: ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Little Egypt Heritage, Ullans, 7 May 2006, Vol 5 #17 Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois © Bill Oliver 7 May 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #17 ISBN: pending I had recently read an article about colloquial sayings used in various sections of our country, which in turn reminded me of some of the expressions that have been used around my family. Quick examples being the use of the “t” in place of the past tense, “ed” or slurring sounds – pairful for powerful, as in “aa got me a pairful hankerin fer some o them.” Grandma and Dad had other words which I never heard outside the family. Hallo, and neebr, as in “hallo thar neebr.” Grams would sometimes say, “don’t skunner your cousins”, which meant not to “annoy” your cousins. “Hoke fer ma knittin”, which meant “look for” or “poke around for”. Another pronunciation from Grandma Oliver was “thonner”, which I thought was a variation of “yonder”, which really was the meaning not the pronunciation. “Me Da cou get a face that would box a goat” Grandma Lester would say “s/he’s a bit dotty”, while Gradma Oliver would say, “S/he’s a bit dotin” meaning senility. “Ay [aye], an’ neither would “blether” or talk nonsense. When our oldest son was learning to speak, he would ask for a story to be read and say to us, “han’ ahine”. He wanted us to put our arm around him as we read to him. “Ahine” comes close – maybe. This could be “akin” to “aneath” meaning underneath. “Who air ye/ya atter?” – Who are you after? “Aside” – beside. “About” – as in about face, meaing on backwards. When Grandma was instructing me, she’d say something like – “hyer’s ow aa wint hit”. One sound which seemed to have a least three meanings never seemed strange to me at all – “a”, “a”, and “a-“ ”a” could mean “I” or “of”; or if run together with another word, it would mean “on”. An example could be; “a hadda glass a milk a-Sunday.” “Clock” is another word which can have many meanings; such as, “spot” [as in recognize], “sit” [as a hen does on a nest[, “sit” [as in overstaying one’s welcome], and “large cockroach” [so if you see one walking up your wall, you know what it is]. “Scallions”, or young onions. “Scullery”, as in kitchen maid. When Grandma wanted to express “like two peas in a pod” she might say “tarred with the same brush”. When I was to behave in public, I was told to “pass yerself”. Now “pass” also meant “past”, as “you passed the corner”. I’ll leave you to interpret “thon boy hasn't much wit about im”. We are all aware that “lass” refers to young ladies; so “there's bin a lotta bad weather this lass while”. Oops! Here it takes on the meaning recent – “lass while” = recent time(s). Grandma Oliver “wuddna have a drop a sweet milk in ‘er tay.” “An aam right tickled” to write this article. Ancestry.com http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Troutt/Trout Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1064 Message Board Post: I would like an obituary for Marion L. Trout who died June 13, 2000, and Hershel D. Troutt who died Feb. 19, 2004. Thanks in help for any help. Ola Mae Trout Oklahoma

Bill- I just wanted you to know how much I've appreciated your informative columns, especially with the Southern, IL phrases. I was born and raised in Benton, Franklin Co, and My Dad was from Buncombe & Goreville, Johnson Co--- recognize a few here and there. :) Another one of my Mom's favorite was to "nuss" the baby-- meaning to hold and cuddle the baby- just figured out it prob came from "nursing" the baby. Another favorite phrase when one of the kids said they couldn't do something, was "Can't never did do nothing- get busy!" Dad was Elbert Escue, one of the 2 barbers in Benton, IL. Keep on keepin' on!! Joyce Escue Culver

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois © Bill Oliver 7 May 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #17 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt Things I learn and question because I open books. Some famous people have confusing relationships. For example, “Tom Hanks is a direct descendant of Nancy Hanks, the mother of Abraham Lincoln.” Lincoln’s mother’s genealogy has been questioned [so I’m not so sure about this]. So, is Elvis Presley a direct descendant of Abraham Lincoln’s 2nd greatgrandfather, Isaiah Harrison? Being read to is as good as one reading for him/herself. When someone reads to me that Otis invented the elevator; we both knew that -- no, Elisha Graves Otis invented the "safety elevator" in 1853; elevators have been in existence since man first raised another upwards by pulling on a rope. Ever since then, the Otis elevator company has been a world leader in “vertical transportation systems”. The Gen 2™ elevator system, which dispenses with heavy steel cables and space-eating winding rooms, has revolutionized the industry. An honorable Lady and fellow genealogist in my “home” Genealogy Society departed this stage of being Wednesday last. The Great Spirit has accepted Helen Schumacker into the “Beyond”. Her dedication is sorely missed. Life is one continuous learning experience! And, it is not the abstinence of alcohol or smoking that stalls old age, but the enthusiastic quest to fulfill our curiosities. Into this past week was such an opportunity, as the Ohio Genealogical Society held its annual conference in Toledo. Attending the conference one added new skills and knowledge to his/her repertoires. As I sat listening to two particular speakers and the “markers” that they used, it reminded me that I had recently read an article about colloquial sayings used in various sections of our country, which in turn reminded me of some of the expressions that have been used around my family. Quick examples being the use of the “t” in place of the past tense, “ed” or slurring sounds – pairful for powerful, as in “aa got me a pairful hankerin fer some o them.” The first years of my life I was living in northwest Ohio. Then due to Dad’s job as a professional Marine Corps “Drill Sergeant”, I picked up accents such as English, New York, Virginian, North Carolinian, etc. For well into adulthood, I believed I heard Grandma Oliver say that she was born near “Bye-enny”, Illinois. I looked and looked for a city or town named such. Finally one day I realized while looking at the map of southern Illinois that she was saying “Vi-ennie”, and that the county seat of Johnson county was Vienna. Similarly I thought Karo syrup was made in Karo, Illinois, until I found Cairo on the very southern tip of Illimois. Grandma and Dad had other words which I never heard outside the family. Hallo, and neebr, as in “hallo thar neebr.” Grams would sometimes say, “don’t skunner your cousins”, which meant not to “annoy” your cousins. “Hoke fer ma knittin”, which meant “look for” or “poke around for”. Another pronunciation from Grandma Oliver was “thonner”, which I thought was a variation of “yonder”, which really was the meaning not the pronunciation. “Me Da cou get a face that would box a goat” Grandma Lester would say “s/he’s a bit dotty”, while Gradma Oliver would say, “S/he’s a bit dotin” meaning senility. “Ay [aye], an’ neither would “blether” or talk nonsense. When our oldest son was learning to speak, he would ask for a story to be read and say to us, “han’ ahine”. He wanted us to put our arm around him as we read to him. “Ahine” comes close – maybe. This could be “akin” to “aneath” meaning underneath. “Who air ye/ya atter?” – Who are you after? “Aside” – beside. “About” – as in about face, meaing on backwards. When Grandma was instructing me, she’d say something like – “hyer’s ow aa wint hit”. One sound which seemed to have a least three meanings never seemed strange to me at all – “a”, “a”, and “a-“ ”a” could mean “I” or “of”; or if run together with another word, it would mean “on”. An example could be; “a hadda glass a milk a-Sunday.” “Clock” is another word which can have many meanings; such as, “spot” [as in recognize], “sit” [as a hen does on a nest[, “sit” [as in overstaying one’s welcome], and “large cockroach” [so if you see one walking up your wall, you know what it is]. “Scallions”, or young onions. “Scullery”, as in kitchen maid. When Grandma wanted to express “like two peas in a pod” she might say “tarred with the same brush”. When I was to behave in public, I was told to “pass yerself”. Now “pass” also meant “past”, as “you passed the corner”. I’ll leave you to interpret “thon boy hasn't much wit about im”. We are all aware that “lass” refers to young ladies; so “there's bin a lotta bad weather this lass while”. Oops! Here it takes on the meaning recent – “lass while” = recent time(s). Grandma Oliver “wuddna have a drop a sweet milk in ‘er tay.” “An aam right tickled” to write this article. And, finally, I sure wish I had as quick and keen humor – Frederick, the second, 18th century monarch of Prussia, once inspected the Berlin prison. All the prisoners save one grabbed the opportunity to profess their innocence. That one readily admitted his guilt of robbery and that he deserved his punishment. The king ordered the man’s release, saying, “I will not have this man kept in prison where he will corrupt all the fine innocent people who occupy it!” e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) and Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: Other sites worth visiting: http://www.deannedurrett.com/codetalkers.html PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

I sent out a bunch of emails on Dr. R. M. McCall. I was wondering if you got them and if they were for the right person. Lisa