I have just finished going through the 1840 Johnson Co. census looking for your Dodge family. I didn't find anything that looked like it could be them. I also checked the Ancestry.com index for 1850 Johnson Co. No Dodge's listed in the index. Now, the index could be wrong, so that's not necessarily the final answer. Best Wishes in your continued search. Harlene Soper Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: <llscottfl@cs.com> To: <ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] 1840 Census Look-up for Johnson County > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Dodge, Smith > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1078 > > Message Board Post: > > Could someone please look-up for me in the 1840 US Census for Johnson > County, the last name on the first page, (according to Heritage Quest it > is Series M704, Roll 61, page 397)? > > I have looked at it on Heritage Quest but the name is partially blacked > out due to what appears to be tape. I am hoping that someone else has > access to a different copy and can read the name more clearly. > > The name I have been searching for is Newland Dodge. I know that he was in > Wayne County, IN around 1834/35, as he married a Mahala Jane Smith on 1 > Jan 1834 in that county and had a daughter, Lavinia A. Dodge, born Jan > 1835 in Indiana. However, by 1842 he is living in Illinois, as his second > daughter, Sabra Dodge was born about that time in IL according to later > census records. > > What leads me to think that he may have been living in Johnson County is > that in the 1860 census his widow, Mahala (M. J.) Dodge, shows up in > Vienna, Johnson County, IL. Apparently he died sometime between 1858 and > 1860 as Mahala is listed with a 2 year old daughter. > > In all of the 1840 census for Johnson County, the above-mentioned listing > is the only one that even vaguely resembles the name Newland Dodge. > > I also am looking for this family in the 1850 census, but it has just a > tad bit more pages to look through and Heritage Quest does not have an > index for either of these two (nor the 1830) census records. > > I appreciate any help on this. Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > Linda Scott > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson > >

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois © Bill Oliver 16 July 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #22 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt The pamphlet said that a drive through Hocking Hills [Ohio] was a “Best of the Road Trip.” I’m pleased that they said “a” best road trip. Our children remember a ride from Ouray, Colorado south to the “Four Corners” area through some of the highest roadways in the United States. Or, the western coastal drive through Oregon and California to cross the Golden Gate Bridge – a real two decker bridge with more lanes than Interstate 80 through “Chicago”. Or, Interstate 80 with its change of topography from east to west through Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa and Nebraska – to where the “inch deep mile wide” river runs. Or, .......... well, you know, the little word “a” becomes “Best” anywhere you are at any moment and whom you are with. In my youth, one of the treats on a Sunday afternoon was a “ride in the country”. Uncle George would pile as many of the family as possible in his vehicle, and [Great] Aunt Nell, sitting by the front window seat would signal a right turn by sticking her arm out the window. Or, “Aunt” Edie, who would drive along a back road and see folks sitting out on their porches. She would honk the horn in that friendly way and wave like crazy. Then she’d say, “That’ll keep ‘em guessing awhile.” Well Friday last, with a daughter’s family, we left highway 33 at Logan [Ohio] and traveled south on a very scenic, winding, roller-coaster two lane road. “Hollar Folks Heaven!” Home territory of Larry Mitchell, my friend Sandy’s Father. We’ll walk some of these beautiful gorges in the coming week. Yesterday was another “ride” of “a” best kind. Since tomorrow is my birthday, we all took a two and a half hour ride on a train. Our nine and eight year old grandchildren have ridden on a train – called the “Blue Bird Special” – in northwestern Ohio, however, this one was a nice long one through pristine landscapes and industrial plants pioneer and modern. Well, maybe the narrow gage road in southern Colorado is as thrilling as any for traveling on a “ledge”. Still there is something thrilling about feeling the “clickity-clack” along railroad tracks. It was my great pleasure to remember the rhythmic movements of trains; not just the clickity-clack, but the swaying back and forth. We used to walk through the cars to get to the diner, etc and walking was tricky. Unexpected movements would throw one off balance. And, my poor Mom – she often got “motion” sickness. Trains and boats in particular. It was noticeable that our grandson was susceptible also because he had a headache soon after we were underway. Our “conductor” with his modern public address system filled us with many facts of local history and some folklore as we traveled. One place about five miles east of Logan was an old abandoned brick home which was in need of repair. It was pointed out that it was once used as a “station” in the “underground” railway system prior to the Civil War. It was also pointed out to us that there was a group who were going through a financial campaign to renovate the property. We thought it certainly a great idea to preserve it and open it with many other attractions of the area. The rail line, called the Hocking Valley Scenic Railway, is a part of the original Hocking Valley Railway and is listed in the National Register of historic places. One of their engines, the EMD GP-10 #701, was built in December 1957 for the Illinois Central Railroad. After the merger of the Illinois Central and the Gulf Mobile & Ohio in 1972 it was sent to the Paducah, Kentucky shops in 1973 to emerge in January 1974. It was acquired by the Hocking Valley Scenic Railway from the Ohio Central as the GP-10 #70. Since there is no way for me to post this article until we return home, the remainder of the article will be a general summary of some of our activities and some history of the area. You’ve heard the old saying – when life gives you lemons, make lemonade! This railroad going defunct was purchased by a preservation group and turned into a Hocking Valley Tourist train running between Hocking College and Logan. At the one end of the line, located on the college campus is a collection of original log cabins moved there and being restored. Like the saying which began this paragraph, the Hocking Valley folks have had to “make lemonade”, which is to say that they keep trying to find viable ways to sustain their economy. The area was first a large supplier of coal for industry; then charcoal and when that failed they made clay products – brick and pottery and garden ornaments. Today there are products from lumber and quarry sand for concrete. However, the Hocking Valley area does a brisk business in tourism with spectacular hollows and gorges. The area has been inhabited for more than 7000 years, as there is evidence of the ancient Adena culture in the area. Also, there is evidence that Wyandot, Delaware and Shawnee Nations used the area. They named the area “bottle river” or something which sounded like Hockhocking. The Hocking valley resembles a bottle due to the one-time blockage by the last glacial ice. The most famous and popular location is Old Man’s Cave. A hermit named Richard Rowe came to the area from Pennsylvania, years before Ohio’s Statehood, to establish a trading post. He had dogs and traveled through southern Ohio along the Scioto River hunting. On one of his travels he went up Salt Creek and found the Hocking Valley. He then lived out the remainder of his life here and is said to be buried off the main cave; thus, gaining the name. The children always like Cantwell Cliffs because of the passageway called “Fat Woman’s Squeeze”, which is on our way to the rock shelter of which we storytellers tell embellished tales about “outlaws” who supposedly inhabited the “Rock House” and the “treasure” that is said to be buried there. The family spotted many, many deer daily. Other wild creatures we saw included marmots, a “black” snake, rabbits, birds of many species, ground hogs, hawks, an eagle, and some wild turkeys. The most wonder of the week was the fact that the grandchildren basically forgot there was television – they read and read and read in addition to walking up and down deep gorges. They read about butterflies and birds. They listened to bird call identification on CDs. What a learning experience they have to tell their friends when they arrive back. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) and Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: Other sites worth visiting: PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dodge, Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1078 Message Board Post: Could someone please look-up for me in the 1840 US Census for Johnson County, the last name on the first page, (according to Heritage Quest it is Series M704, Roll 61, page 397)? I have looked at it on Heritage Quest but the name is partially blacked out due to what appears to be tape. I am hoping that someone else has access to a different copy and can read the name more clearly. The name I have been searching for is Newland Dodge. I know that he was in Wayne County, IN around 1834/35, as he married a Mahala Jane Smith on 1 Jan 1834 in that county and had a daughter, Lavinia A. Dodge, born Jan 1835 in Indiana. However, by 1842 he is living in Illinois, as his second daughter, Sabra Dodge was born about that time in IL according to later census records. What leads me to think that he may have been living in Johnson County is that in the 1860 census his widow, Mahala (M. J.) Dodge, shows up in Vienna, Johnson County, IL. Apparently he died sometime between 1858 and 1860 as Mahala is listed with a 2 year old daughter. In all of the 1840 census for Johnson County, the above-mentioned listing is the only one that even vaguely resembles the name Newland Dodge. I also am looking for this family in the 1850 census, but it has just a tad bit more pages to look through and Heritage Quest does not have an index for either of these two (nor the 1830) census records. I appreciate any help on this. Thanks in advance! Regards, Linda Scott

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jones/Hess/Hood/Pierce/Brennan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/984.4 Message Board Post: Karen, I have information on DM Jones' children , his marriage, divorce and remarriage that occur not neccessarily in the expected order. I've been searching for 12 years for his parents---is this James Jones D M Jones father?Please email me at maureenbutler@charter.net---I think we can help each other. Thanks, MButler

This seems to be a list of heirs of deceased children of Bartholomew & Sarah Jane (Neeley) Debnam. No date was marked on the hand written paper found in Box 55 at the Johnson Co., IL courthouse a few years ago. If anyone can help locate these people please let me know. Donnie in Indiana Words in parentheses are my notes: Box 55 Johnson Co., IL (pre 1930) Estate of Bartholomew Y. Debnam & wife Sarah Jane (Neely) Debnam List of heirs no date. (Found in clerks office at Vienna, IL) Sarah A. Elkins (dead)—[d/o of Dorotha Elizabeth (Debnam) Wilson-she died between 1920-1930 Okla.] Mrs. Lewis Kuhlman-Cogar, Okla--Riffe (Elkins) Kuhlman –d/o of Sarah Ann (Wilson) ELkins Zach Elkins – Minco, Okla-s/o of Sarah Ann (Wilson) Elkins Letha Elkins – Minco, Okla-[d/o of Sarah Ann (Wilson) Elkins] Dorothy Elkins – Minco, Okla –[d/o Sarah Ann (Wilson) Elkins –g/d of Dorotha Elizabeth (Debnam) Wilson-alive in 1930] Mrs. Emma Engelkey – Minco, Okla-[d/o Sarah Ann (Wilson) Elkins)] Martha J. Slack (dead) – [d/o Dorotha Elizabeth (Debnam) Wilson--died before 1910] Norman Slack – Vienna, IL R.R. – son of Martha Jane (Wilson) Slack Mrs. Newt Cross – Flint, Mich – [nothing known about this person] Ellen Wilson – Metropolis, IL-[nothing know about her] Florence Foreman (dead)-[could be Flossie Wilson –d/o Dorothy El. (Debnam) Wilson] Robert Foreman –4121 Curtotta Blvd., Los Angeles (nothing known about him) Dora Farris (dead) –[d/o of Dorothy Elizabeth (Debnam) Wilson-she died Dec 25,1926 Johnson Co., IL] Dorothy M. Farris – Vienna, IL-[d/o of Dora (Wilson) Farris (only child that I know of)] ================================================================ Dolly Ramey (dead) [died in 1902. This is Lucinda J. (Wymore) Davis Ramey – d/o Barbary A.Debnam & James A. Wymore] Loyd Davis – Box 1293 Sta C. Los Angeles Calif [s/o Lucinda Wymore Davis Ramey] Gussie Veach-Vienna, IL—[daughter/son of Lucinda J. (Wymore) Davis –died Dec 1973 Vienna, IL] ================================================================ Nannie Davis (dead) [died about 1910/1916. This is Nancy Ann Wymore –d/o Barbary A. Debnam] Roy Davis –Blairsville, IL-[s/o of Nancy Ann Wymore Davis] Anna Wilborn – 62 Madison Ave., Memphis, Tenn—[d/o of Nancy Ann (Wymore) Davis] Ona Allen –33 Bellevue Ave. Seattle, Wash –[d/o Nancy Ann (Wymore) Davis] Clara Carlton (dead)-[d/o of Nancy Ann (Wymore) Davis-1920 Johnson Co., IL with husband Ambrose. Childen: Gretel [12] and Loren [5-son]] Loren Carlton –Vienna, IL-[grandson of Nancy Ann (Wymore) Davis] Mrs. Laura Farmer –4636 Balch St. Fresno, Calif-[d/o Dorothy Adaline (Debnam) Murrie. She died 1949 in Calif.] John W. Murry (dead)-[son of Dorothy Adaline (Debnam) Murrie –died 1909 Washington Co., AR.] Tom Murry – 1504 Madison St. Siloam Springs, Ark—[son of John W. Murry(Murrie) listed above. Born 1904] John W. Wymore (dead) [son of Barbary A. (Debnam) Wymore- He died about 1902 IL] Lannis Wymore – Granite City, Ill-[grandson of John & Barbary (Debnam). Son of John W. Wymore & Lissa Bell Howell] Mabel Shelton – Granite City, Ill—[daughter of John W. Wymore & Lissa Bell] Lydia Sturgis (dead) [d/o Barbary A. (Debnam) Wymore -died July 4, 1917 Massac Co., IL] Lindell Sturgess - Metropolis, Ill –[son of Lyda E. (Wymore) Sturgis-nothing more know about him.] Lydia Sturgis – Metropolis, Ill –[d/o Lyda E. Wymore Sturgis-nothing more know about her]

Mary is buried in Belnap, IL Masonic Cemetery. Clifton was listed as being buried there in the Cemetery Index, but I couldn't find him listed in the actual book on the cemetery. That could have been an oversight on the transcribers part. Charlotte Dalton Burd Olmsted, IL

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Walton/ Cross Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/888.1 Message Board Post: I have found some new information On Cliftf & Mary (Cross) Walton. They were married in Vienna, Johnson Co., IL on 9 th May 1904. I have a copy of the Marriage license. I did find Cliff on the 1910 Census in Johnson Co., IL Cliff is listed as a Widow living with his in laws. Mary O. Cross parents are Edgar & Catherine Cross. Mary passed away on 19 Jun 1909. I'm trying to locate where she might be buried , and a death cert. Any help on this would be so helpful.

Harlene- I believe your unknown Emily is Emily Elizabeth Tice b 4/4/1856 in Memphis, TN. She died 12/3/1935 in Pope Co, IL. She marr first William Andrew Jackson Escue b 11/6/1839 in TN and d 2/13/1894 in Pope co, IL. They marr 10/25/1871 in Pope Co, IL. She marr Will Browning 1/19/1900 in Johnson Co, IL. 1880 Census Alexander Pct, Pope Co, IL vol 47 sheet 28 ed 81 ln 22 A J Eskew w m 41 marr farmer b TN fath b VA moth b AL Elizabeth 22 marr wife b Tn fath b TN moth b IL Indianaz 7 dau b IL par b TN Arthur A 5 son b IL par b TN Emma 3 dau b IL par b TN George W Belcher 14 ad (opted) farm b VA par b VA Emily E Tice was dau of Johnathan Tice & Emily Elizabeth Palmer. both b TN William Andrew Jackson Escue/Eskew was son of William Henry Escue & Mary Jane Agnew. Herbert was evidently an Escue, not sure about Claud. Joyce Escue Culver In a message dated 7/19/2006 10:09:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, jrbrown@pacifier.com writes: William Browning's second wife is listed in the 1900 Census. I'm interested in additional info. What was her maiden name? When did she and William marry? The years married on the census record is marked over. I "think" they may have put down something/12 and then put a "0" over it to designate they'd not been married a year yet. June 6, 1900 Johnson County, Illinois Census Jerseyville P. O., Burnside Twp. (Johnson) Illinois ED #30; Ancestry Image #4; HH & Family #39 Browning, William Head June 1863 37 yrs. Appears to be married less than a year IL IL IL Farmer R W & S Owns farm free & clear; Emily E. Wife April 1856 44 Married less than a year Has had 9 children, 8 are living IL IL IL Farmer Owns free & clear; Escew, Ivan or Ira Step-Son Aug 1886 13 IL OH IL Farm labor; Bertha Step-Daughter May 1888 12 IL OH IL; Josaphine Step-Daughter Jan or June 1890 9 IL OH IL; Lydie or Lydia Step-Daughter June 1894 5 IL OH IL; Herburt Step-Son Aug 1884 15 IL OH IL Farm Labor Maurice Browning's book, "Browning" 1983 doesn't give a name for William's first wife, but lists two sons, Claud and Herbert. Does anyone have info on them? He shows William's parents as Thomas Browning and Susa Robinson Browning who were married Aug. 31, 1856 in Pope Co. Any info or clues would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to figure out if these Browning's connect to my line. Happily in Christ, Harlene Soper Brown

BRAVO, JOYCE! Thank you so much for the info! Now...anybody know who William's first wife was? Happily, Harlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <AriesJoy@aol.com> To: <ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] William Browning m. Mrs. Emily Escue ca 1899 ? > Harlene- I believe your unknown Emily is Emily Elizabeth Tice b 4/4/1856 > in > Memphis, TN. She died 12/3/1935 in Pope Co, IL. She marr first William > Andrew > Jackson Escue b 11/6/1839 in TN and d 2/13/1894 in Pope co, IL. They > marr > 10/25/1871 in Pope Co, IL. > She marr Will Browning 1/19/1900 in Johnson Co, IL. > > 1880 Census Alexander Pct, Pope Co, IL vol 47 sheet 28 ed 81 ln 22 > A J Eskew w m 41 marr farmer b TN fath b VA moth b AL > Elizabeth 22 marr wife b Tn fath b TN moth b IL > Indianaz 7 dau b IL par b TN > Arthur A 5 son b IL par b TN > Emma 3 dau b IL par b TN > George W Belcher 14 ad (opted) farm b VA par b VA > > Emily E Tice was dau of Johnathan Tice & Emily Elizabeth Palmer. both b TN > William Andrew Jackson Escue/Eskew was son of William Henry Escue & Mary > Jane > Agnew. > > Herbert was evidently an Escue, not sure about Claud. > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > In a message dated 7/19/2006 10:09:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, > jrbrown@pacifier.com writes: > William Browning's second wife is listed in the 1900 Census. I'm > interested > in additional info. What was her maiden name? When did she and William > marry? The years married on the census record is marked over. I "think" > they may > have put down something/12 and then put a "0" over it to designate they'd > not > been married a year yet. > > June 6, 1900 Johnson County, Illinois Census > Jerseyville P. O., Burnside Twp. (Johnson) Illinois > ED #30; Ancestry Image #4; HH & Family #39 > > Browning, William Head June 1863 37 yrs. Appears to be married less > than > a year IL IL IL Farmer R W & S Owns farm free & clear; > Emily E. Wife April 1856 44 Married less than a year Has had 9 > children, 8 are living IL IL IL Farmer Owns free & clear; > Escew, Ivan or Ira Step-Son Aug 1886 13 IL OH IL Farm labor; > Bertha Step-Daughter May 1888 12 IL OH IL; > Josaphine Step-Daughter Jan or June 1890 9 IL OH IL; > Lydie or Lydia Step-Daughter June 1894 5 IL OH IL; > Herburt Step-Son Aug 1884 15 IL OH IL Farm Labor > > Maurice Browning's book, "Browning" 1983 doesn't give a name for William's > first wife, but lists two sons, Claud and Herbert. Does anyone have info > on > them? He shows William's parents as Thomas Browning and Susa Robinson > Browning > who were married Aug. 31, 1856 in Pope Co. > > Any info or clues would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to figure out > if > these Browning's connect to my line. > > Happily in Christ, > Harlene Soper Brown > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson > >

William Browning's second wife is listed in the 1900 Census. I'm interested in additional info. What was her maiden name? When did she and William marry? The years married on the census record is marked over. I "think" they may have put down something/12 and then put a "0" over it to designate they'd not been married a year yet. June 6, 1900 Johnson County, Illinois Census Jerseyville P. O., Burnside Twp. (Johnson) Illinois ED #30; Ancestry Image #4; HH & Family #39 Browning, William Head June 1863 37 yrs. Appears to be married less than a year IL IL IL Farmer R W & S Owns farm free & clear; Emily E. Wife April 1856 44 Married less than a year Has had 9 children, 8 are living IL IL IL Farmer Owns free & clear; Escew, Ivan or Ira Step-Son Aug 1886 13 IL OH IL Farm labor; Bertha Step-Daughter May 1888 12 IL OH IL; Josaphine Step-Daughter Jan or June 1890 9 IL OH IL; Lydie or Lydia Step-Daughter June 1894 5 IL OH IL; Herburt Step-Son Aug 1884 15 IL OH IL Farm Labor Maurice Browning's book, "Browning" 1983 doesn't give a name for William's first wife, but lists two sons, Claud and Herbert. Does anyone have info on them? He shows William's parents as Thomas Browning and Susa Robinson Browning who were married Aug. 31, 1856 in Pope Co. Any info or clues would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to figure out if these Browning's connect to my line. Happily in Christ, Harlene Soper Brown

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1069.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks a bunch. I think the father Thomas of these people was the son of my Thomas G B Hammonds. The 1826 date probably should have been 1876. I can veify these with census records by checking the spouse and adult daughter's names. Thanks again. rle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1021.1 Message Board Post: Which sanders line are you looking for. Lisa Hudgens

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1069.1 Message Board Post: I am attaching a cemetery page for you that has some hammond(s) on it. Lisa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1077 Message Board Post: I am looking for any info on Altimont Sanders I am trying to connect him to Joel K. Sanders and Sarah T. Boze. He was born in Illinois any help would be appriciated. thank you lisa hudgens

My 3rd Great-Grandfather, John McGinnis b. ca 1818 probably in Smith Co., TN married 2nd wife, Mary Ragsdale, Sept. 23, 1860 in Johnson Co. This was after the 1860 Census was taken. Mary isn't listed in the 1870 Census. I'm presuming she died in that timeframe, most likely in Johnson Co. I haven't been able to find her in previous census records either. The online marriage record doesn't list her as Mrs. Mary Ragsdale, so I'm presuming Ragsdale is her married name. Does she sound familiar to any of you folks who have been weighing in on the Ragsdale surname? Happily in Christ, Harlene Harlene Soper Brown Washington State

I am related to both of Luther Throgmorton's wives. He married Florida McGinnis Sept. 22, 1869 in Johnson Co. He married Levina "Catherine" Rice on Sept. 9, 1888. They are listed in the Massac Co. census in 1880. I can't find them after that. Does anyone know what happened to this family? Thanks so much! Harlene Soper Brown Descendants of Luther C. Throgmorton Generation No. 1 1. LUTHER C.1 THROGMORTON was born 1846 in Tennessee. He married (1) FLORIDA MCGINNIS Sep 22, 1869 in Johnson County, Illinois, daughter of ALBERT MCGINNIS and CYNTHIA SCOGGINS. She was born 1852 in Johnson County, Illinois, and died 1881 in Possibly Massac County, Illinois. He married (2) LEVINA 'CATHERINE' RICE Sep 09, 1888 in Johnson County, Illinois, daughter of CALVIN RICE and LEVINA JOHNSON. She was born Bet. 1858 - 1859 in Johnson County, Illinois. More About LUTHER C. THROGMORTON: 1870 Census: 1870, Vienna (Johnson) Illinois 1870 Property Value: Jun 29, 1870, $600 - Farmer - $100 1880 Census: Jun 14, 1880, Washington Twp. (Massac) Illinois More About FLORIDA MCGINNIS: 1860 Census: Jul 31, 1860, Vienna (Johnson) Illinois 1870 Census: Jun 29, 1870, Vienna (Johnson) Illinois 1880 Census: Jun 14, 1880, Washington Twp. (Massac) Illinois More About LUTHER THROGMORTON and FLORIDA MCGINNIS: Marriage: Sep 22, 1869, Johnson County, Illinois More About LEVINA 'CATHERINE' RICE: 1860 Census: Jul 07, 1860, Vienna (Johnson) Illinois 1870 Census: Jul 06, 1870, New Columbia Twp. (Johnson) Illinois More About LUTHER THROGMORTON and LEVINA RICE: Marriage: Sep 09, 1888, Johnson County, Illinois Child of LUTHER THROGMORTON and FLORIDA MCGINNIS is: i. CHARLES2 THROGMORTON, b. 1872, Probably Johnson County, Illinois. More About CHARLES THROGMORTON: 1880 Census: Jun 14, 1880, Washington Twp. (Massac) Illinois

Thanks for you reply. I can go back on the Cummins family all the way to England. I just recently found out about William Carters parents. I was also born in Reevesville, I go back every chance I can. What year were you born? You may know all of my family. Let me here from you. Jerry Carter -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of griffith@onecliq.net Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:08 AM To: ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Re: CARTER RESEARCH This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/161.167 Message Board Post: Jerry, Just saw your message and William Henry Carter that married Harriet A. Cummins in Reevesville, IL. on 22 Feb 1874. She was the daughter of Samuel Arnett Cummins and Lucy Ann Hard. William's parents were John Joshua Carter b. Tn 1831 married Martha Neuthery b. 1831 Tn. in Johnson Co in 1853. There were 3 Cummins and Griffith marriages. I was borned in Reevesville and I still go back to visit once a year. Let me hear from you. Alvin ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/161.167 Message Board Post: Jerry, Just saw your message and William Henry Carter that married Harriet A. Cummins in Reevesville, IL. on 22 Feb 1874. She was the daughter of Samuel Arnett Cummins and Lucy Ann Hard. William's parents were John Joshua Carter b. Tn 1831 married Martha Neuthery b. 1831 Tn. in Johnson Co in 1853. There were 3 Cummins and Griffith marriages. I was borned in Reevesville and I still go back to visit once a year. Let me hear from you. Alvin

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois © Bill Oliver 9 July 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #21 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt “Farming is Hard Work” brought out some comments from readers, and a piece of humor or two. In one there was a remark that these articles bring out many memories of childhood and youth. Well, Mark Twain once said, “I conceive that the right way to write a story for boys is to write so that it will not only interest boys but strongly interest any man who has ever been a boy.” Writing about bygone days in history, like Mr Twain says, “... immensely enlarges the audience” for those folks who had been there, done that or sat at the knees of a family elder storytelling. Though I try to include many feminine sided stories [after all my Mother was one of them], I will only slightly apologize for also telling of things that maybe only men remember. For example, I remember the debate between my Mother and Father over whether I should now shave my face, or NOT. About the peach fuzz below nose level, Dad said that the hairs on my face did not meet Marine Corps inspection. Mom on the other hand would clip the one to three hairs I DID have under my chin with a pair of scissors and say that one could not see the fuzz and that there was plenty of time to shave when I was older. Now that I come to think about it, that peach fuzz was called “down”. I never quite figured that out. Anyway, before I was fourteen, Dad won and I was given a razor with which to “clean” my face. Many men were still using straight razors, but Mom figured she wanted to see me on my fourteenth birthday, so I was given a “safety” razor. As I remember it, the real advantage to “safety” razors was that one didn’t have to grind and diligently hone and strop it for “hours” before shaving. It was truly a “time” saving device. Besides, my experience with razor straps is not for discussion here at this time. There’s been many a time that I wished Mom had won for a longer period of time, for though red and blond mix, my beard grew quite heavy before I was fifteen. During that time, to show off our manhood, we experimented with long [long] sideburns and mustaches. All our national heros in our textbooks sported facial designs. Well, with a few weeks time, and the ridicule of our elders and friends, we ended in shaving the upper lip, but we didn’t scale back the sideburns “too” far. When changing from a child into a teen-ager, girls didn’t use lipstick or rouge or nail polish. I remember they would sort of bite their lips and pinch their cheeks to redden them. Cornstarch was the preferred powder to reduce the “shine” where they though there was one. Long hair was vogue; “a woman’s pride and crowning glory”. Girls washed [shampooed] it carefully, endlessly comb/brushed it. Often it was braided, then coiled around their heads, tied with broad, bright-brocaded ribbons. Grandma Lester, and her sisters, told of their childhood when pompadours were the fashion. They wore “rats” to puff up their hair over the front of their heads. Hour glass figures were considered most attractive and delicate. Whalebone corsets helped the illusion. The aunts used to laugh about how tightly they were worn and how they used to help each other gain that “girlish dainty” look. They would see if they could pull them so tight as to have a sister faint when in company. Don’t we wonder today if they could even swallow enough food to keep their energy up? We didn’t have clothes hampers as a youth. We piled our soiled clothes in a heap in a spot in our room waiting for Monday’s washing. Speaking of washing – do you know where Gramma or Mom got their water to wash clothes. One of my chores was to carry buckets of water from the rain barrels at either corner in the back of our house to be heated on the stove and then into the scrub pan or washing machine. It’s not that we didn’t have tap water in the city; rain water was softer than the water from the “tap”. Do you remember rugs, large and small, made from saved rags? Everything from worn-out suits, shirts, and dresses might or might not be dyed, then made into the desired rugs. Before the vacuum cleaner made an appearance in every home, rugs would be hung over the clothes line and I would be handed a “rug” beater. There in the back yard the rug(s) were beaten free of dust and dirt. [cough-cough] Carpets were for “parlors”. Parlors were the room which a family kept for entertaining and was kept closed until there were guests to entertain. Well, no fresh air reached these rooms, with their shades pulled down to prevent the sun from fading the curtains and rug. The room was usually furnished with black horse-hair covered chairs and sofas. The remembrance of the musty, moldy odor can still flare my nostrils. It was also difficult to keep from sliding off the smooth surfaces until you had grown tall enough to plant your feet firmly on the floor. Off against a wall, maybe in a corner, often stood a foot-pumped organ where the family prospective musical wizard or prodigy would be coaxed to show off their “talents”. My memory does recall kerosene lamps which were pulled down by chain and pulley for filling, wick trimming, glass cleaning, and lighting. However, mostly there were electric lights hanging in the center of rooms which didn’t give off any more illumination than the older kerosene lamps. Thus, we had smaller kerosene chimney lamps which we could move from place to place and close enough for us to read by. The local barber’s shop had mugs lined up on racks for regular customers. Each person had their own private mug and soap. Each person’s mug had their name in gold. Often there was a picture also, such as a bull’s head or an occupational logo such as a crossed pick and shovel. Each customer also had his own shaving brush. Sometimes while waiting my turn for a haircut, the barbers would let me get a customer’s cup, fill it with real hot water from the tap, and with the shaving brush work up a real stiff lather. By this time the customer would have been settled and ready so the cup and brush was then handed to the barber. The County Poor House was something which hung over families like a threat. The aging folk expected the younger ones to give the “assisted living” services that we pay for today. We often heard stories of people going “over the hill to the poor house.” It was said in such a way we thought the police were coming to get us. Old folks disappeared to the other side of the county. The stigma to this was hard to comprehend. “Isn’t it tooo bad about old Mrs. Smith. You’d think her children would not let it happen to her. After all, her late husband supported seven children; now the seven can’t support her.” That’s the way Grandma Oliver felt. Loud and clear, she announced that her children were to take care of her. When finally came the time that Grandma could no longer take care of herself at 102 years, she had four children who already had their own health problems. She refused to come to a grandchild’s house ‘cause it was the duty of her children to care for her. Grandma’s emphatic statement can still be heard, “... ain’t ‘posed to happen this way!” e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) and Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: Other sites worth visiting: PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

The Illinois State marriage record shows;' P. P. Tuck married Bell Francis 18 Sept 1884 in Williamson Co., IL ----- Original Message ----- From: <paddy.ann@sbcglobal.net> To: <ILJOHNSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Lydia Belle Ann Francis, b. Abt 1862, IL > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/2g.2ADE/1076 > > Message Board Post: > > Trying to determine if Belle Francis, dau of Ephraim T. Francis, md Paul P. Tuck 18 Sep 1884 in Williamson Co, Ill. > An 1887 birth record, Bollinger Co, MO, for Minnie Belle Tuck, shows parents Lydia Belle (Francis) and Paul P. Tuck. > Also trying to determine whether the following census records refer to the same Ephraim Francis: 1860, Johnson Co, IL, Ephraigm T. Francis, 37, Mary, 35, Elizabeth, 4, John, 1. 1870, Johnson Co, Euphine Francis, 48, Lucinda, 31, Caroline, 14, James 11, Ann, 9, John, 6, Lara[?}, 21. 1880, Johnson Co, E. T. Francis, 59, wife Lucinda, 41, dau Belle, 19, son John, 16, dau Lovie S, 13, son Ephram, 10, dau Catherine, 8, dau Martha, 5, dau Frona, 1.Lydia > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Johnson Co IL Message Board hosted by Ancestry.com > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.johnson > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/06 > >