I can see you have been busy. Gosh, that's a lot to accomplish in a short time. I am still going crazy. I put in a 14 hour day on the computer Friday and Saturday (it's claims time) Working at home is fine but this month we have a very short deadline to get the claim in. by noon today. Then my grandson & Wife are home from Quantico (Where he received his commission as LT. in the Marine Corp.) The whole family got together at Rib Hill yesterday for a "Welcome home - Happy 4th Party. Two daughters and families came from Green Bay and the rest of us from Marshfield. It works there because it's only an hour drive for all of us. I had forgotten how beautiful it is up there. I shall ask Sue if I can post the flyer in her daycares. Also, try and get the word out for you (as much as possible). When and what park? Must get back to work. Cheers, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hines" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > Carolyn; > > I was born around the area and mine are Hines, Riley and others! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > Hello John, > > > > Thank you for the info. I am researching Green, Birch/Burch and File in > > Union Co. In the surrounding counties of Johnson and Pope I am > researching > > Leverett, Turner, Heatherly and related lines. > > > > What lines are you researching? > > Carolyn. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hines" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > > > > Carolyn; > > > > > > Johnson County has one of the best Libraries and the Librarian > really > > > knows her stuff! They are open Monday - Wednesday and Friday! Closed > on > > > Thursday's! The Courthouse is open daily 8 am to 12 noon and 1pm to > 3:45 > > > for research! I was just there last week for a week! Foreman still has > > the > > > name on the sign on highway 45 toward Belknap but not much left of the > > town > > > though! My brother lived there for about 5 years, just a few houses > there > > > now! I think the drive will do you good though! You even get to see > some > > of > > > the Tornado mess down in Massac County if you go to Metropolis and pass > > > Mermet Lake! Hope this helps you! > > > > > > John M. Hines, Sr. > > > PS: Who are you looking for in these areas? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:42 PM > > > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > > > > > > > Hello listers, > > > > > > > > I plan to do some research in Johnson Co. this summer. I was > wondering > > if > > > someone could tell me what the best places to visit are? Are there any > > > public libraries with a genealogy section, that sort of thing? What > city > > > is the courthouse in? > > > > > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Carolyn. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 6 July 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #25 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, The favorite reading material for me is pre-Revolution or War of 1812, when it took much individual ingenuity and fortitude to grow and expand. The second favorite material is the period between the War of 1812 and World War I. The third favorite material with which to feast my eyes is that period between the World Wars. Anything newer I have lived through. There is a vast expanse of this country from Pennsylvania to Wyoming and from Minnesota to Louisiana which affects our population. That is the territories that cover all the waterways that flow out the Louisiana delta into the Gulf of Mexico. Catching up with my reading of things that happened while we were R & Rin' along the Ohio River in southern Illinois and northern Kentucky, I noted that Paulding county in northwestern Ohio was once again under water. A picture in the newspaper featured two teens walking their bicycles across a street. One had to take the word of the photographer that there were bicycles present for the tall lads were in water over their hips. Then, early this week in the newspaper we had pictures and story about Tropical Storm Bill in the Gulf states. Back in 1927, the last year of my Father's high schooling, the Mississippi River between Illinois and Missouri covered the land with over thirty feet of water. This precipitated many changes in our country, from extremely comprehensive legislation, to winning the nomination for a president and laying the foundation for the New Deal of another President. It effected the political shift of a group of people from Republican to the Democratic Party. So, the "rains descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, ..." quoted my Grandmother from Matthew. [For those who wish to read a wonderfully comprehensive narrative of this flood should obtain a copy of John M Barry's "Rising Tide". It is a vivid picture of a great natural disaster.] >From March 7th through Good Friday, April 15th, 1927 it had rained and on the 15th it had intensified. That day the heavens poured forth from 6 to 15 inches of rain over many hundreds of square miles from Missouri and Illinois to Texas and Alabama. Cairo, Illinois measured over 10 inches. New Orleans, the heaviest amount at 14.96 or more than 15 inches in nearby areas. This in one day was a quarter of the yearly average rainfall for the Port City. Floods have taken towns and moved towns. Shawneetown in Gallatin county is but an example. Water on the move is powerful. Out on such a river as the Mississippi whole trees would be sucked under by the current only to reappear a hundred or two yards down river, like a missile launched by a submarine. Roofs of houses and sometimes whole houses would float [rush] by. The carcases of live stock also would rush past. Alluded to above, these waters came from the Rocky Mountains of Colorado in the far west, from the Allegheny Mountains of New York and Pennsylvania, as well as from Alberta and Saskatchewan in Canada. Also, from Montana, Minnesota and the Great Smokies of Tennessee. The Mississippi River acted as a funnel for all the water that wasn't evaporated or soaked into the ground. One has to imagine millions of cubic feet of water rushing by each and every second to comprehend this flood of 1927. The natural disaster pitted man against nature ... was man controlling nature with all the dykes along the waterways? Imbedded into this natural disaster also were challenges of man with other men where wealth and poverty collided, regional and national power structures collided, and ethnic cultures collided to shade all of [US] America. One of the lessons learned from the flood was learned before the flood did its worst. They blew up the levee at New Orleans, thus learning that levees alone would never control the "Ole Man River" — the Mississippi. As a result, the Corp of Army Engineers was given the responsibility of creating "floodplain management". Six inches of fast moving water can knock one off their feet, and a depth of 2 feet will float a car. One can appreciate this when attempting to cross a shallow river at a point of rapids, such as at Grand Rapids on the Maumee River in northwestern Ohio, where the water constantly flows over a man-made dam that stretches across the river. On the 31st of May 1889 in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, the dam there broke letting loose a wall of water more than 35 feet, and creating at that time the worst flood in United States History. In Shadyville, Ohio on 14 June 1990, just four inches of rain in two hours produced a 30 foot high wall of water. Rainfall intensity and duration are factors which contribute to flash flooding. Topography, ground cover and other conditions are factors not to be forgotten. Flash floods occur very shortly following excessive rainfall. Of course, the failure of a dam or levee, creating a sudden release of water also causes flash floods. Flash floods move buildings, roll boulders, up-root trees and even change the course of rivers. Saturated soil can trigger mud slides. Thus, the 2400 mile Mississippi River with it tributaries traveling across 31 states was/is one of the world's very fertile valleys. After the 1927 flood, the Army Corps of Engineers built 29 dams and locks, with hundreds of runoff canals, and miles upon miles of concrete levees. This system works fairly well, but "ole man river" showed who was really master in the flood of 1993. Due to heavy farming and industry along the waterways, the wetlands were not there to soak up any excess water. Today farmers are encouraged to use soil absorption properties, even to allow some acreage to return to wetland status to soak up excess moisture. Some time in the future the river will again exert itself to illustrate that nothing is going to eliminate flooding. Out in prairie land, eleven creeks converge with Salt Creek near Lincoln. Combined they drain more than 1000 square miles of land. Hundreds of floods have occurred to damage Lincoln due to this amount of land draining into one locale. During stormy times Salt Creek has been known to discharge between 12 and 13 million gallons of water per minute [more than 25,000 cubic feet per second] through Lincoln. Normal spring discharge is but 140 cfs, or thereabouts. Further west, in fact, much further west is the Republican River, a wild and wooly river on occasion. Such occasions are 1826, 1885, 1903 &5, 1915, 1935 and 1947. Picture, though, during the Great Depression, the dry spring of 1935. Dust storms swept across the flat landscape to such an intense degree that it blocked out the sun. In May of that year the skies in southwestern Nebraska opened up for the parched land to soak some moisture. The rain continued for a few days and farmers were thinking there would be a bumper crop. Meanwhile out in Colorado at the convergence of the Arickaree and Republican Rivers, 20 inches of rain fell to end May and begin June. Twenty four inches fell in 24 hours along the South Fork of the Republican River. Now the average yearly rainfall had been nine inches. The storm followed the drainage basin and the Frenchman, Red Willow, Medicine, Deer, Muddy and Turkey creeks all reached flood stage at the same time as the Republican River. It is said that the roar of water could be heard five miles away. Reports said, during one period, that water raised a foot a minute at McCook. Water rose as much as 20 feet, discharging over a quarter of a million cubic feet/second or 320 times normal. Residents reported flooding from "bluff to bluff", as wide as two miles, and families were riding the roofs of their homes as they were swept along with the water. Along 341 miles of highway, 307 bridges were destroyed. There has not been a damaging flood on the Republican River since 1960 due mainly to two factors; one several dams creating reservoirs, and two, the modern use of irrigation of crops. Thus, the water flow in the Republican River is much less than it used to be. A first hand account of this flood can be read at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nefrankl/flood.html To borrow from Sidney Harris: Things I wouldn't know if I didn't open my mail. [Thank you, Deb.] e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Just thought I would forward this to let anyone that might be going to Florida know about this Conference! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Gregory" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [TNSMITH] Genealogy Conference > i am sending this to those who may have an interest at Pam's request > > Pam Cooper <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear List Administrator: > > Would you be so kind to forward the following message to your list? It > has > > been 12 years since there was a national genealogy conference in the > > Southeast. We want to make sure that everyone knows about it. If you > > have any questions feel free to contact us. Everyone who works on this > > conference are volunteers. Your support will be appreciated. Thank you. > > ======================================== > > Countdown to Discovery - A World of Hidden Treasures > > Have you ever been to a genealogy conference? > > Genealogy is a continuing education and learning about documents and > > resources often takes us to places that we never dreamed could be > helpful > to us. Now, in the heart of Florida and close to Walt Disney World, > there is > a place where genealogists from all over the country, Great Britain and > Europe will be attending the Federation of Genealogical Society > Conference, > hosted by the Florida State Genealogical Society. > > > > Why Should you attend? > > 1) Over 200 LECTURES on a variety of topics and over 95 top-of-the line > > SPEAKERS. Track descriptions are as follows: > > > > Charting a Course to the Old World (British Isles & Europe) > > Exploration in the New World (United States & Canada) > > Riches in the First Colony (Focus on Florida) > > Diverse Voyagers (Ethnic & Religious Research) > > Tools for Successful Navigation (Skills & Strategies) > > A Wealth of Hidden Treasures (Records Research) > > Just Over the Horizon (Technology & the Internet)! > > > > For more detailed information about each lecture, visit > > http://www.fgs.org > > > > 2) A TREASURE HUNT is currently in progress. You can win grand prizes > > such as free conference registration, room nights at hotels in Salt Lake > > City, tuition at the Institute of Genealogy & Historical Research in > > Birmingham, Alabama, registration and boarding at a conference in > > England and so much more. Check the latest issue of the FGS FORUM for > > more details about the great Treasure Hunt or the above web site. > > > > You can also learn more about the conference and the treasure hunts if > you > > subscribe to the E-zine.To subscribe to the E-zine, send an email > > message (no text or subject is necessary) to > > [email protected]>. > > You will receive a confirmation message to which you must reply within > 24 > > hours. > > > > 3) Over 100 VENDORS or 150 booths will be in the exhibit hall. See a > > list of our current exhibitors at > > http://www.fgs.org/2003conf/conf-exhibitors.asp > > > > 4) All under ONE ROOF. The complete conference and your hotel room are > > in one building. There is no need to walk outside in the heat or rain. > > All food functions and restaurants are also located in the same > > building. Hotel rooms are huge and you can register up to four people > > for one price. > > > > 5) Fun for the FAMILY. SeaWorld is right across the street from the > > conference hotel. Visit Walt Disney World, which includes the Magic > > Kingdom, EPCOT, Animal Kingdom, and Disney-MGM Studios, as well as > > Universal Studios, Kennedy Space Center, and many, many other wonderful > > places! > > > > 6) SOCIETIES CAN WIN $200 worth of genealogy books from Betterway Books. > If you advertise the conference in your newsletter, send us a copy and > we > will add it to the drawing to be held at the conference. We have made it > very > simple for you. Use the media kit at > > http://www.fgs.org/2003conf/conf-media.htm > > > > Hurry, the EARLY CONFERENCE registration deadline for the lower price is > > July 15th. > > > > HOTEL registration deadline is August 4th. 1-800-327-6677; 407-351-5555 > > > > Jim and Pam Cooper > > FGS/FSGS 2003 National Conference Co-Chairs > > > > Countdown to Discovery - A World of Hidden Treasures > > 3-6 September 2003, Orlando, Florida > > http://www.fgs.org or http://www.rootsweb.com/~flsgs/ > > P. O. Box 7066, Vero Beach, FL 32961-7066 > > > ==== TNSMITH Mailing List ==== > Submit Your Family Pictures, Biographies, Histories > Wills, Fokelore, To The Smith Co Web Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsmith/ >

Carolyn; I was born around the area and mine are Hines, Riley and others! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > Hello John, > > Thank you for the info. I am researching Green, Birch/Burch and File in > Union Co. In the surrounding counties of Johnson and Pope I am researching > Leverett, Turner, Heatherly and related lines. > > What lines are you researching? > Carolyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hines" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > Carolyn; > > > > Johnson County has one of the best Libraries and the Librarian really > > knows her stuff! They are open Monday - Wednesday and Friday! Closed on > > Thursday's! The Courthouse is open daily 8 am to 12 noon and 1pm to 3:45 > > for research! I was just there last week for a week! Foreman still has > the > > name on the sign on highway 45 toward Belknap but not much left of the > town > > though! My brother lived there for about 5 years, just a few houses there > > now! I think the drive will do you good though! You even get to see some > of > > the Tornado mess down in Massac County if you go to Metropolis and pass > > Mermet Lake! Hope this helps you! > > > > John M. Hines, Sr. > > PS: Who are you looking for in these areas? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:42 PM > > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > > > > Hello listers, > > > > > > I plan to do some research in Johnson Co. this summer. I was wondering > if > > someone could tell me what the best places to visit are? Are there any > > public libraries with a genealogy section, that sort of thing? What city > > is the courthouse in? > > > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > Carolyn. > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

Hello John, Thank you for the info. I am researching Green, Birch/Burch and File in Union Co. In the surrounding counties of Johnson and Pope I am researching Leverett, Turner, Heatherly and related lines. What lines are you researching? Carolyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hines" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > Carolyn; > > Johnson County has one of the best Libraries and the Librarian really > knows her stuff! They are open Monday - Wednesday and Friday! Closed on > Thursday's! The Courthouse is open daily 8 am to 12 noon and 1pm to 3:45 > for research! I was just there last week for a week! Foreman still has the > name on the sign on highway 45 toward Belknap but not much left of the town > though! My brother lived there for about 5 years, just a few houses there > now! I think the drive will do you good though! You even get to see some of > the Tornado mess down in Massac County if you go to Metropolis and pass > Mermet Lake! Hope this helps you! > > John M. Hines, Sr. > PS: Who are you looking for in these areas? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:42 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > > Hello listers, > > > > I plan to do some research in Johnson Co. this summer. I was wondering if > someone could tell me what the best places to visit are? Are there any > public libraries with a genealogy section, that sort of thing? What city > is the courthouse in? > > > > Thank you for your help. > > Carolyn. > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

Hello..... Foreman no longer exists. My mother was born there in 1915 and the following is a historical sketch about the town. FOREMAN, IL Forman is located at that point where the C B and Q Railroad and the Big Four Railroads cross. This is in the southeastern quarter of the northeast quarter of Section 31 of Cache Township. Where the two railroads crossed, the Forman station was set up and a union depot was built. Then, the village which had been known as Ridenhower became Foreman. The Ridenhower Post Office opened in 1895. The name of the post office was changed to Forman in 1911 and was discontinued in 1930. The first house in the community was built from cypress logs in 1818. Farms grew until a century later it had a post office, three general stores, a hotel with restaurant, a union depot, freight house two section houses, a school, a church, and about 30 houses. The village had about 200 inhabitants. There were four sawmills and a flour mill. One of the stores and the hotel were run by Lee Bridges. Another store was run by the Ridenhower Family, and the third store was operated by the Wheatly Family. Forman was a center of exchange for passengers and freight, in addition to serving the needs of the people living in that area. The Methodist Circuit Rider came in the early days to preach and to organize Methodist Churches. A church was organized and a school was built. Forman was built around the church and school. Next to the railroads, timber was the primary business. This was followed by trapping and hunting. The area was full of white oak and red oak, as well as the premium timber which was cypress. Forman reached its zenith in 1918 which was the same year that a bill was passed in the legislature and signed by the government to construct concrete paved highways. The truck and the passenger car replaced the railroad traffic so that eventually there were no passenger trains and only large quantities of heavy, bulky goods were shipped by rail. The freight houses and the depot were closed, the hotel was closed, the timber was exhausted, and families moved away. In 1957 a tornado swept through Forman destroying several buildings, including the Methodist Church. The people of the community bought the brick schoolhouse and organized a Community Church. Today, no buildings remain at the location of what was a primary railroad center in Johnson County. Regarding the library. The Librarian Margaret Mathis (kin to me) is very knowledgeable about the area and genealogy. The Library trelephone number is 618-658-5051. I thinki the Library is closed on Thursdays, so you might want to call to check about operating hours. Regards, Rebel Kreklow San Diego, CA,

Carolyn; Johnson County has one of the best Libraries and the Librarian really knows her stuff! They are open Monday - Wednesday and Friday! Closed on Thursday's! The Courthouse is open daily 8 am to 12 noon and 1pm to 3:45 for research! I was just there last week for a week! Foreman still has the name on the sign on highway 45 toward Belknap but not much left of the town though! My brother lived there for about 5 years, just a few houses there now! I think the drive will do you good though! You even get to see some of the Tornado mess down in Massac County if you go to Metropolis and pass Mermet Lake! Hope this helps you! John M. Hines, Sr. PS: Who are you looking for in these areas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Heimann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > Hello listers, > > I plan to do some research in Johnson Co. this summer. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the best places to visit are? Are there any public libraries with a genealogy section, that sort of thing? What city is the courthouse in? > > Thank you for your help. > Carolyn. > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

I don't remember a town by that name any where near that. But I don't always pay attention. Maybe someone else on the list could tell you. Judy

Hi Carolyn, Yes there's a Library with a Genealogy section and the court house is across the street from it. That's at Vienna. Judy

I will correct myself. The road to Belknap is on the right. It also could be a little further. Does someone else have family there? 8)

Foreman is on the road to Belknap. The new depot at the local park in Vienna came from Foreman. I believe in the area where the winery is located. Someone correct me if I am wrong. My father in law grew up in Belknap and my husband lived there several years also. Head toward Metropolis from Vienna and the road is about 4-5 miles out of town on the left. Sharon

Thank you Judy. Is Vienna close to a town called Foreman? Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Researching in Johnson Co., IL > > > Hi Carolyn, Yes there's a Library with a Genealogy > section and the court house is across the street from > it. That's at Vienna. > > Judy > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > >

Hello listers, I plan to do some research in Johnson Co. this summer. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the best places to visit are? Are there any public libraries with a genealogy section, that sort of thing? What city is the courthouse in? Thank you for your help. Carolyn.

Greetings Bill, I did so enjoy your article. My mother, from "Little Egypt" married my dad in 1924 and came north to North Central Wisconsin. Leaving her Scot-Irish family she was transplanted into a German one. She loved to tell stories. One I remember well, was about "Old Man Johns." He passed away and was laid out, at home, in the parlor. As the wake moved into high gear with the passing of the jug, one of the mourners asked for a "chaw". At that moment the dearly departed, sat up in his coffin and said "on the mantel piece." With that comment he got out of his casket and went to his rocking chair. Mama said he lived several years after that. She also said that she is surprised that nobody got "stomped" to death that night, as all the mourners hit the screen door at the same time. Thanks for the memories. Cheers, Carol > (c) Bill Oliver > > 29 June 2003 > Vol 2 Issue: #25 > ISBN: pending > > Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, > > Storytelling usually begins with "Once upon a time ..." or > "A long time ago ..." These traditional openings signals a > suspension of "time and space". However, these openings or > beginnings bring to mind "fairy tales". The storytellers of > history, of families, of peoples are a bit different. The > stories that they tell may be folktales; debatable as > literary; yet they are openings through which we have new > ways to perceive our world and theirs. > > One age of ancestral kin aids another age of ancestral kin. > An example; the barbed wire used to fence property in the > Great Plains of Nebraska was invented in the state of > Illinois. Two different ancestral kin from two eras were > involved. One in creating and the other is utilizing. > > Any writer appreciates feedback - letters from readers. > They tell us things; they give us ideas. This week a couple > of comments from readers centered once again on > story-telling ... one of my favorite topics! We are the > storytellers ... we are the chosen!! We are the ones in a > family -- and there is always one -- who breath life into > what has gone on before us. We are the ones who flesh out > the bones!! Those bones that are bones of our bones. We > are the storytellers of the clan or tribe ... the family. > > Last week I had the great pleasure of interviewing Paul > Fellows, a local historian in Massac [Mass-sack] County, > Illinois. The object was to become familiar - get a feeling > - of Massac County where an ancestor had property. When > material is written for this ancestral family it must evoke > a picture to bring them alive again and keep them alive > every time words about them are read. Those words must > somehow say that those ancestors know and approve of what is > said about them. > > As the storytellers, when we find these ancestors, we find > ourselves. We can stand at their graves and we can feel how > they have contributed to what we are now ... today. What > they accomplished ... how they helped make and keep us a > Nation. With great loving care we scratch their existence > into the fabric of history ... because, they are us and we > are them. > > Part of my ancestry is Celtic, and one of my family surnames > is Son of Mahan [McMahan] or, also known as, Malachi. > Well, Malachi had a brother, Brian or Briain, who was the > twelfth son of Kennedy of Thomond. The brothers were great > heros of their people against the Danes. Malachi was the > more gentle and noble of the two; Briain the more athletic > and forceful. When Malachi was killed by treachery, which > oft happens to the less energetic, Briain became king. My > Grandfather, was sensitive and gentle. So gentle, that my > Dad and his brother, would oft tell that Grandpa would cry > harder then they did when Grandma would force him to take > them to the "woodshed". > > However, Briain has his greatness. He is credited with > having originated surnames. He brought the clans together, > under one king, for the only time in Irish history. He lost > his life against the Norsemen at the Battle of Clontarf, > though his warriors won the day. He was eighty-nine. Quite > an energetic person. In lore, it is said that "Briain was > the last man of Erin who was the match of a hundred men." > > That story has an implied fact in it which leads to > mythology. Due to the variation of Malachi being a form of > Mahan/Mahon, the implication was made that Malachi was one > of my ancestors. Genealogy is said to be proven family > history, while mythology is not. Well, the mythology in > family history often turns out to be as factual as the > written documents we use. Take for example the information > in census reports, or the dates on tombstones. Haven't we > all copied down a death date from a tombstone and used it as > absolute? Careful investigations will sometimes show that > just because it is written in stone doesn't make it so. > > Another myth or story that has been passed down through > several generations is that x-great grandpa married a HARPER > who was [part] Cherokee. To reinforce the story as proof it > is said that "she knocked the red hair our of us Irish for > three generations. Dad and one of his sisters were Irish > "reds". There is lots of evidence that there were marriages > within the family that involved members of the "five > nations", but so far the proof of my line eludes. > > There is a statement on many of my websites: "Undocumented > Genealogy equals Mythology". As true as this is, one must > remember that mythology was made from fact. Mythology > serves me good purpose in that it has always led me to find > genealogy. Thus, do not disregard mythology as worthless > ... it isn't ... but, it does tend to open my "inquiring > eyes" in hopes of finding real proof. > > Wado, > > > Bill > -=- > > Other sites worth visiting: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 29 June 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #25 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Storytelling usually begins with "Once upon a time ..." or "A long time ago ..." These traditional openings signals a suspension of "time and space". However, these openings or beginnings bring to mind "fairy tales". The storytellers of history, of families, of peoples are a bit different. The stories that they tell may be folktales; debatable as literary; yet they are openings through which we have new ways to perceive our world and theirs. One age of ancestral kin aids another age of ancestral kin. An example; the barbed wire used to fence property in the Great Plains of Nebraska was invented in the state of Illinois. Two different ancestral kin from two eras were involved. One in creating and the other is utilizing. Any writer appreciates feedback — letters from readers. They tell us things; they give us ideas. This week a couple of comments from readers centered once again on story-telling ... one of my favorite topics! We are the storytellers ... we are the chosen!! We are the ones in a family -- and there is always one -- who breath life into what has gone on before us. We are the ones who flesh out the bones!! Those bones that are bones of our bones. We are the storytellers of the clan or tribe ... the family. Last week I had the great pleasure of interviewing Paul Fellows, a local historian in Massac [Mass-sack] County, Illinois. The object was to become familiar — get a feeling — of Massac County where an ancestor had property. When material is written for this ancestral family it must evoke a picture to bring them alive again and keep them alive every time words about them are read. Those words must somehow say that those ancestors know and approve of what is said about them. As the storytellers, when we find these ancestors, we find ourselves. We can stand at their graves and we can feel how they have contributed to what we are now ... today. What they accomplished ... how they helped make and keep us a Nation. With great loving care we scratch their existence into the fabric of history ... because, they are us and we are them. Part of my ancestry is Celtic, and one of my family surnames is Son of Mahan [McMahan] or, also known as, Malachi. Well, Malachi had a brother, Brian or Briain, who was the twelfth son of Kennedy of Thomond. The brothers were great heros of their people against the Danes. Malachi was the more gentle and noble of the two; Briain the more athletic and forceful. When Malachi was killed by treachery, which oft happens to the less energetic, Briain became king. My Grandfather, was sensitive and gentle. So gentle, that my Dad and his brother, would oft tell that Grandpa would cry harder then they did when Grandma would force him to take them to the "woodshed". However, Briain has his greatness. He is credited with having originated surnames. He brought the clans together, under one king, for the only time in Irish history. He lost his life against the Norsemen at the Battle of Clontarf, though his warriors won the day. He was eighty-nine. Quite an energetic person. In lore, it is said that "Briain was the last man of Erin who was the match of a hundred men." That story has an implied fact in it which leads to mythology. Due to the variation of Malachi being a form of Mahan/Mahon, the implication was made that Malachi was one of my ancestors. Genealogy is said to be proven family history, while mythology is not. Well, the mythology in family history often turns out to be as factual as the written documents we use. Take for example the information in census reports, or the dates on tombstones. Haven't we all copied down a death date from a tombstone and used it as absolute? Careful investigations will sometimes show that just because it is written in stone doesn't make it so. Another myth or story that has been passed down through several generations is that x-great grandpa married a HARPER who was [part] Cherokee. To reinforce the story as proof it is said that "she knocked the red hair our of us Irish for three generations. Dad and one of his sisters were Irish "reds". There is lots of evidence that there were marriages within the family that involved members of the "five nations", but so far the proof of my line eludes. There is a statement on many of my websites: "Undocumented Genealogy equals Mythology". As true as this is, one must remember that mythology was made from fact. Mythology serves me good purpose in that it has always led me to find genealogy. Thus, do not disregard mythology as worthless ... it isn't ... but, it does tend to open my "inquiring eyes" in hopes of finding real proof. Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Hi No Relation to this gentleman or the Harrells. But did find a Samuel Harrell in the 1920 Census IL Macon County/ Blue Mound/ Pleasant View/ Enumerated Jan 12 & 13, 1920 Samuel A Harrell, Head, 42, IL VA IN Laborer, Farm Ida Harrell, Wife, 38, IL IN IL Roy or Ray Harrell, Son, 15, IL Elsie Harrell, dau, 7, IL Eldo Harrell, Son, 4 1/12, IL The 1930 Census IL Macon County/ Blue Mound/Pleasant View Township District 58/ Sheet 5B/ Enumerated April 9, 1930 Samuel Harrell,Head, 52, Mar. at 20, IL KY IN Laborer, Farm Ida Harrell, Wife, 49, Mar. at 18, IL IN IL Eldo Harrell, son, 14, IL IL IL Wilson Edwards, Son in law, 24,Mar. at 24, IL IL IL Mechanic/ Garage Elsie M Edwards, dau, 18, Mar at 18,IL IL IL Hope this might help. Sally > Does anyone have this man in their files from 1930 to 1940? My dad remembers > being told this was Grandpa. I don't have him in our files (The Dildays) but > you never know? > > Thanks, > > Sandra > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

Sally, thank you so much for this information. At least now I have something to work with. Sandra

Does anyone have this man in their files from 1930 to 1940? My dad remembers being told this was Grandpa. I don't have him in our files (The Dildays) but you never know? Thanks, Sandra

Children of MARGARET HALL and JAMES FRIZZELL are: i. WILLIAM2 FRIZZELL, b. Illinois6. 2. ii. ASENETH EMALINE FRIZZELL, b. Illinois. iii. JAMES FRIZZELL, b. Illinois7. iv. THEODOSIA FRIZZELL, b. Illinois8,9. v. GEORGE FRIZZELL, b. Illinois10. vi. CYNTHIA FRIZZELL, b. Illinois. vii. LARA A. FRIZZELL. 3. viii. MARY IDA FRIZZELL, b. 1865, Johnson Co. Illinois; d. October 21, 1896, Pope Co. Illinois. Generation No. 2 2. ASENETH EMALINE2 FRIZZELL (MARGARET MARIAH.1 HALL) was born in Illinois11,12. She married SPENCER JASPER WATERS13, son of WILLIAM WATERS and CAROLINE WESTMORELAND. Children of ASENETH FRIZZELL and SPENCER WATERS are: 4. i. THOMAS HENRY3 WATERS, b. November 22, 1878; d. December 1968. ii. FRONIA ANN WATERS, b. Unknown; m. NOAH ENOCH. 3. MARY IDA2 FRIZZELL (MARGARET MARIAH.1 HALL)14 was born 1865 in Johnson Co. Illinois15, and died October 21, 1896 in Pope Co. Illinois16. She married JAMES ARMSTRONG WATERS17,18 October 23, 1879 in Pope Co. Illinois19, son of WILLIAM WATERS and CAROLINE WESTMORELAND. Children of MARY FRIZZELL and JAMES WATERS are: i. MINNIE3 WATERS, b. 1880, Pope Co. Illinois20; d. 1884, Pope Co. Illinois. ii. MALBERT WATERS, b. 1883, Pope Co. Illinois21; d. 1884, Pope Co. Illinois. 5. iii. RETTIE WATERS, b. March 23, 1885; d. October 06, 1964, Glendale, Illinois. 6. iv. DOLPH GEORGE WATERS, b. October 04, 1887, Pope Co. Illinois; d. October 15, 1971, Marion, Williamson Co. Illinois. 7. v. ERNEST EDWARD WATERS, b. January 08, 1890, Simpson, Illinois; d. May 22, 1974, Union Co., Illinois (near Anna, Illinois).

Descendants of Margaret Mariah. Hall Generation No. 1 1. MARGARET MARIAH.1 HALL was born September 19, 1827 in Johnson Co. Illinois1, and died March 10, 1869 in Illinois2. She married (2) JAMES THOMAS FRIZZELL3,4 December 24, 1851 in Johnson Co. Illinois5, son of WILLIAM FRIZZELL and NANCY WILSON. Children of MARGARET HALL and JAMES FRIZZELL are: i. WILLIAM2 FRIZZELL, b. Illinois6. 2. ii. ASENETH EMALINE FRIZZELL, b. Illinois. iii. JAMES FRIZZELL, b. Illinois7. iv. THEODOSIA FRIZZELL, b. Illinois8,9. v. GEORGE FRIZZELL, b. Illinois10. vi. CYNTHIA FRIZZELL, b. Illinois. vii. LARA A. FRIZZELL. 3. viii. MARY IDA FRIZZELL, b. 1865, Johnson Co. Illinois; d. October 21, 1896, Pope Co. Illinois.