Hi Jerry, You are getting through--in fact today all of my messages other than spam are from ILJOHNSO. E. Moore

Jerry; You are ok here too! West Virginia John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Kelleys" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Please respond > Came through just fine, Jerry! > > Susan Carroll Kelley in IL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Please respond > > > > I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail > > though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks - just send me > a > > note. > > > > Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA. > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

If anyone has the Johnson Co Court Records 1814-1817 book, would you do a look up to see if there is any mention of a PHELAN (Phalen, Felan, Filand, Etc.). Thanks, Glenda

your o.k. --- On Thu 10/09, < [email protected] > wrote: From: [mailto: [email protected]] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:53:09 -0700 Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Please respond I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail<br>though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks - just send me a<br>note.<br><br>Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA.<br><br><br>==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ====<br>Do not send Virus warnings to this list. <br>"Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey"<br>[email protected]<br><br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Yepper Jerry working fine on this end too... SPAM?? I had that with my eggs this morning<LOL>>>>>> > > > > I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail > though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks > - just send me a > note. > > Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA. > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected]

Came through just fine here too. Stella Holt in Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Please respond > I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail > though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks - just send me a > note. > > Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA. > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

Came through just fine, Jerry! Susan Carroll Kelley in IL ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Please respond > I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail > though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks - just send me a > note. > > Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA. >

I am testing the ISP on this network - seem to be missing a lot of mail though I am getting all the spam that I don't want! Thanks - just send me a note. Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 5 October 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #35 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, I have a respect for the late Sidney Harris, the Chicago Tribune Columnist. I often use a statement of his which I rather like ... "Things I Learned While Looking Up Something Else." While surfing last week I came across a website which thought that "he [Mr Harris] was a really ignorant individual ....." Well, to each his own; however, I often get side-tracked because, like Mr Harris, I have an insatiable appetite for leaning new things. Why, just this week, from a cousin, I learned that one of my ancestors [a female line] possibly had eleven children. At least there were thirteen people living under one roof in 1820 Gallatan County. Well, since writing these few words I came across this: <http://www.rowanstudio.com/greymatter/archives/00001590.htm> which further illustrates these side trips to looking up other things. I went and fixed a cup of tea and read a delightful article. Sidney J. Harris also said, "The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers." Everytime I wonder where I will find something to write about, my varied reading tastes get me a tidbit or more. One of the things that I learned this week while researching other things was found in a technology periodical which illustrated that what goes around comes back around. My Nebraska ancestors, good American utilizers that they were, epitomized "waste not, want not", as I'm sure that yours did. They would go out and collect buffalo "chips" and use them for fuel. A by product of fermented animal dung or corn produces methanol gas. Toshiba has been perfecting a fuel cell to be used to supply power to lap-top/portable computers. These direct methanol fuel cells [DMFC] run on a mixture of methanol and water, generating an average of 12 and a maximum of 20 watts of power. What next?? One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries. [-A.A. Milne] This week's article started with a memory of what we did on Saturday night for family entertainment. The druggist and the hardware owner would get out the white sheet and string it between their stores on a side street in their little Michigan town. Others would get out the folding chairs and set them up. The popcorn wagon would be wheeled out onto the corner and someone would begin making popped corn. When it was dark enough we would have a movie which was fit for the whole family. Before movies and popular reading folks had to have stories. Admittedly, before reading, say in the East, the professional story-teller went about from village to village carrying a carpet, which would be spread, sat upon and tales would be told. In merry ole England, the minstrel traveled from community to community singing his tales. Literature and fiction are two kinds of apples. And, literature is a luxury. However, fiction is a necessity. A piece of literature can not be too short because its climax is its merit. A story, on the other hand, can never be too long, for its conclusion leaves an emptiness. Thus, there was no end to Tales of the Arabian Nights, or the Tales of Robin Hood, or tales of the exploits of Daniel Boone. A century and more ago there was a storypaper called Saturday Night. James Elverson published it in 1865. Storypapers were also known as "six-cent weeklies", which was less than "Dime Novels", but much the same thing. These storypapers were designed for the whole family, featuring serialized stories and including poems, humor, sports, current events and fashion. The novels were the first love romances and designed to please the female audiences with the stories devoted to female subjects. These papers were eight pages in size and contained elaborate large front page illustrations. There were smaller pictures inside. Dime Novels gained popularity due to mechanization of printing, railroads which could carry fresh copies long distances, and the fact that literacy was increasing. Today we have the grocery line variety of picture storypapers. Yesteryear dime novels were aimed at young workers and distributed at newsstands and dry good stores everywhere. Dime Novels differentiated themselves from storypapers in that they did not put illustrations on the inside pages; only the front page. And where the storypapers contained material and themes to appeal to the entire family, Dime Novels tended to be more sensational and covered the proverbial Wild West, detective stories, urban outlaws, virtuous narratives centering on the young working woman, and romances. These papers had circulations of 100 to 400 thousand and more. In England storypapers were called penny bloods or penny dreadfuls. I guess because they were dreadful "literature" during the Victorian era, filling the necessity of printed fiction to the ever increasing literacy rate. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Sorry I meant Family tree dna.com a Texas Co with lots of DNA info. Larry

Arthur Davis Pearce DNA. Hello Everyone, I have submitted a DNA sample to Family tree.com And hope other Pearce descendants will also join me. I see no problem in relating most Pearces From Johnson Co. IL To Arthur Davis Pearce. But theirs also Questions from TN NC VA AL TX CA and England. Please go to Family Tree.com to get more info. It will take up to seven weeks for my results to come back. Larry N Pearce 8193 Grant St. Juneau, AK 99801 [email protected]

Good Evening Family Researchers and All Ship at Sea, Followers of my Little Egypt Heritage articles know that I have a respect for the late Sidney Harris, the Chicago Tribune Columnist. I often use a statement of his which I rather like ... "Things I Learned While Looking Up Something Else." While surfing last week I came across a website which thought that "he [Mr Harris] was a really ignorant individual if he spent the majority of his life looking up stuff and always getting lost along the way, never finding what he set out for in the beginning." Well, to each his own; however, I often get side-tracked because, like Mr Harris, I have an insatiable appetite for leaning new things. Why, just this week, from a cousin, I learned that one of my ancestors [a female line] possibly had eleven children. At least there were thirteen people living under one roof in 1820 Gallatan County. How many of you have heard or read Sharon DeBartolo Carmack??? She wrote: "You Can Write Your Family History" where she said, "There's no reason a fully documented family history can't read like a page-turning novel." "Bringing Your Family History to Life Through Social History" which shows one how to weave historical details into their genealogies to form a unique family history narrative. "Your Guide to Cemetery Research" that covers everything from cemetery and death-related terminology to clues offered by headstone art, and cemeteries' role in our culture and history. "Organizing Your Family History Search: Efficient & Effective Ways to Gather and Protect Your Genealogical Research" that shows the process of organizing family research, from filing to streamlining the process as a whole. "A Genealogist's Guide to Discovering Your Female Ancestors: Special Strategies for Uncovering Hard-To-Find Information about Your Female Lineage" "The Family Tree Guide Book: Everything You Need to Know to Trace Your Genealogy Across North America" and "The Genealogy Sourcebook". There are more but these are those which come to my mind ... "off the top" ... so to speak. Those who are near enough to Carterville, Illinois please be aware that the GENEALOGY SOCIETY OF SOUTHERN ILLINOIS 2003 Genealogy Conference and Book Fair Will be on Saturday, October 11, 2003 At John A. Logan College, Route 13 & Greenbriar Rd., Carterville, IL. Headliner will be: Lectures by Sharon DeBartolo Carmack and the GSSI annual Book Fair Both events will be in the new Conference Center To my dismay, I will not be able to make the ten hour drive to Carterville. While you are attending this wonderful event and listening [learning] from this wonderful speaker I will be giving a small group of 25 interested folks a set of lessons on finding internet sources and documenting them. Please stop by Cousin Mary Jo Moore's "booth" and say "hello" for me. Sincerely, Bill Oliver Little Egypt Heritage

Dear Heritage Readers, Some folks really want to see the M*A*S*H pictures at Tony Packo's. My sincere apologies for the URL error in last nights "stories"/article. Please try the first URL listed here and scroll down to the bottom. Then click on the right hand picture of a red wall with photos. http://patrick.irish.wolfhound.com/ohphoto.html This URL is Tony Packo's history site. A bonus for my above error. http://www.tonypackos.com/history.html Sincerely, Bill -=-

Little Egypt Heritage Article Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 28 September 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #34 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, During the year of my birth, 1932, Tony Packo's Hungarian eatery opened on the East Toledo side of the Maumee River. Tony Packo's has been a symbol of "hometown" long before it became world famous from its extolled virtues from M*A*S*H's Corporal Max Klinger, played by Jamie Farr. The Tony Packo's "dog" is a spicy, plump, grilled crispy experience topped with chili sauce and onions chopped finely. Their Hungarian meal [err, fare] also includes stuffed cabbage and a "cup" of chili. Those who can eat it all cap it with a dish of strudel a la mode. Celebrities, from entertainers to Presidents, are invited to autograph a hotdog bun, which are petrified and displayed. Hanging on the walls are pictures, which include the M*A*S*H cast eating Tony Packo's Hot Dogs <http://users/iGlide.net/gday/TonyPackoWallArt.jpg> Mr Farr, a local Toledo "boy" from Galena Street in north Toledo, also lends his name to a Lady Golf Tournament, the annual Jamie Farr Classic played in Sylvania, Ohio. Jamie Farr also extolled the virtues of the minor league baseball team, the Toledo Mud Hens. I hear you asking, "What exactly is a Mud Hen?" Well, it is marsh bird with short wings and long legs. Aren't all swamp birds long legged? Nebraska has the long legged Blue Heron to contrast, as do those from Cypress area in the Little Egypt area of southern Illinois. Well, anyway, these Mud Hens were common back in the 1880s where Toledo's first baseball park was built. The Mud Hens first played ball in 1883 and the roll of players included an Ed Andrews. I tried to find something about him ... some statistics, but I kept running into a James J Andrews or Wid Matthews. James J Andrews, really had nothing to do with baseball, but that is another story. However, Wid Matthews had a name in southern Illinois and St Louis. Wid Curry Matthews was a local Metropolis, Massac County, Illinois "boy". He had a long varied career in baseball and was honored as a "favorite son". According to the AP news service, Wid Matthews made it to the Major Leagues Baseball at the age of 27 years and was still in the Majors when he passed on at age 69. He started in the minors but was called up by the Athletics in 1923. Though his career as a player was really brief, only three seasons, he was very knowledgeable about the game and a good judge of talent. He became a "Scout" and helped make the Brooklyn Dodgers a "powerhouse". The cry "Play ball!!" is universal in the United States and is heard from "spring camp" through fall. In fact, it is heard in empty lots, school yards, and for the first half of the 20th century it was heard in the pastures of Nebraska. Out on the Plains of Nebraska, in the 1930s, when it hadn't rained for so long and spring came, many folks decided that it would be useless to plant because it wouldn't grow anyway. To take their minds off their troubles, the young would get together in someone's pasture and play baseball. Communities made up teams. There were church teams, club teams, lodge teams, community teams and even family teams. At that time three or four families were living on each section of land and most families were large. Thus, practically every family had a member or more to help make up the teams. Games were played every Sunday and on holidays. My cousin, Bob Reiman was one who played ball. The John Henry and Emma branch could sit out in front of their home and watch the game going on across the road in the field. Every boy and some girls played baseball in the little country schools and small towns. The farm boys, wearing bib overalls and the girls in their cotton dresses, Speaking of bib overalls, the uniforms were overalls or old dress pants. Shoes were heavy work shoes. The local cobbler would put cleats or spikes on them. Unless the teams were sponsored by some merchant, a catcher's mask and old chest pad, plus a couple of bats and balls were the only equipment they had. There was always a good crowd to watch and cheer. Folks would come and park their cars so that they could watch the game from the comfort of automobiles. Windshields would get cracked once in a while from foul hits. The games became so popular that eventually the constructed "bleachers" and made back stops with chicken wire. Oh, and some strung chicken wire down the sidelines to prevent broken windshields. With such support and interest in the game, is it any wonder that some young men turned to professional ball playing? e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- P.S. Welcome back online, Cousin Frances. Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Norm: Sorry for the delay. Colleen and I were in Salt Lake City doing research for the last week. There are two DNA test groups: Morse Society and Morse 2. We started first and went to the Morse Society to determine their goals. They weren't ready to start and we were. The administrator in their group wrote to us saying they weren't certain they would include the southern Morse / Moss / Morris groups. So, you can see why we didn't want to wait. Ken, a member of our e-mail group, recently sent a confusing e-mail suggesting DNA donors sign up with the Morse Society DNA group, but again, that group is clearly focused on the Northern Morse lines. All and all, it is better we are separate. It's more manageable. However, we are working together with the Morse Society of which I am also a member. To put you at ease, I am forwarding a copy of our e-mail exchange via a separate e-mail. At any time we can choose to merge our data. In any case, there are places to check on Familytree DNA to compare DNA to that of others outside the surname group. We have one man named MILES or MILLS who has idential DNA to two of our donors in a different DNA test group. His family is also from Maryland. Could be a case of adultery or adoption somewhere along the way - - we just don't know yet. Fascinating, though, isn't it? In answer to your question about spelling - does it really matter that much? Seems like most surnames have a variant of some sort and those that "do" genealogy understand that. For example, one of our Moss and one of our Morse DNA donors have identical DNA but how could you ever decide how to show the names on any genealogical chart? I think we would more likely identify matching DNA lines by a common number or color. If you will click on http://www.mumma.org/DNA.htm you will see how one family managed their DNA results. Colleen and I would strongly suggest that any MOSS or MORSE DNA from descendents of any of the following lines (or geographical regions if specific line is not known) join our group rather than creating a new group: Ebenezer and Obadiah Moss of Prince George Co MD; Mathew and Sylvester Moss of Prince William Co VA ; Samuel Morse of SC; Moss/Morse Surname of Granville County, NC; Moss/Morse Surname of York County, SC; James Morse of Greenville Co SC; Drury and Garrott Morris of Greenville Co SC; Hammond, Travis, and William Morris of Surry Co SC; Mason Morss of Spartanburg Co SC; Ebenezer and Obadiah Morse of Westmoreland Co., VA. As soon as we have more results compiled, we will be adding those results to our website for all to see. Norm, we thank you for your efforts in recruiting more DNA donors for the Morse-2 study. It becomes more clear every week that many of the Moss/Morse/Morris names from these areas may very well be related. If I have not answered all of your questions, please let me or Colleen know. To obtain more information about joining the Morse-2 DNA group, please visit: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Morse-2 Debbie McArdle & Colleen Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman H. Ricker, Jr. To: Debbie & Jim McArdle Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Re: FamilyTree DNA Debbie, why are the folks wanting separate DNA Projects; wouldn't it be better to have them all in one group where a match would include ALL individuals? How will we know which group we will find an individual; will we have to search all three Projects? Is there going to be this idea that you can separate Moss from Morse, etc., etc., etc.? All of us who have researched the surnames know that what is found is by and large the spelling of some ancient court clerk. Are they going to use a generic name Moss or Morse and alphabetize? Are they going to simply use Descendant charts and intersperse the Morse and Moss (et al) in one chart (might be a solution). I hope some of these things are thought out for the big picture a year or five years from now; it will be very hard to change anything later, especially if this whole thing explodes shortly (as I expect) and expands so fast it will be all one can do is keep up with the flow. I have generated a flow of E-mails and letters to old researchers over the past 10 days to Moss and others, and a lot of interest has been generated, it will take seed, and many surname projects will get started. I expect there are dozens like me that have kicked off their own marketing program to get people interested. I do hope the organizational concepts for the web sites is thought out, coordinated right away with other surnames, and some standards established, so that what ever happens these surname projects can be interconnected by computer and the parts will be able to be matched. My hat is off to the volunteer Administrators; I am too old to keep up with the pace this is going to be maintaining, so I am just motivating and monitoring and hoping some of my roadblocks can be removed. Keep up the good work!!! Norm At 11:08 PM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Norm: Never once have I had to wait for more than 6 hours to get an >answer from FamilyTree DNA. They even responded on the Saturday over >Labor Day weekend. You will get your money's worth from whatever DNA test >you participate in with these people. Colleen and I have 3 separate >groups going right now, all successful and they have hardly started! I >hope Bev will join our group with her Gilbert Moss. I think we are going >to put the Morse/Moss families of VA, NC and SC into nice little packages >that will make all of our research a lot easier! > >Debbie McArdle >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:[email protected]>Norman H. Ricker, Jr. >To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] ; ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:49 PM >Subject: Fwd: RE: Rebecca can do it! > >Mr. Greenspan is so very supportive to those trying to get started in DNA >Genealogy. I have never had such support before!!! > >Norm Ricker > > >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:12:26 -0500 > >From: Bennett Greenspan > <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: Rebecca can do it! > >To: "'Norman H. Ricker, Jr.'" > <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 > >Importance: Normal > >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > >Original-recipient: rfc822;[email protected] > > > >Hi Norm > > > >The Mexican cousins are laughing because I by passed the siesta in lieu > >of email writing. They just called me the crazy gringo. > > > >I see that the order is placed. Any help needed, just let us know. > > > > > >E-mail any time. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Bennett Greenspan > >President > >Family Tree DNA > >www.FamilyTreeDNA.com > > > >"History Unearthed Daily" > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Norman H. Ricker, Jr. [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:22 AM > >To: Bennett Greenspan > >Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >Subject: RE: Rebecca can do it! > > > > > >She is all taken care of Mr. Greenspan; it is a done deal!! Norm. > > > >Bev, can you believe this man!!! He is so very supportive and here he is > >in Mexico responding to me on my problems!! He will be there for you on > >the Gilbert Moss DNA Project when you get it up and going; ask and you > >shall receive. > > > >Norm > > > >At 12:39 AM 9/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi Norm > > > > > >You may place the order for your sister, choose invoice, and the kit > > >will go to her and the invoice will not her, too, but she, as a female, > > > > >can't offer Cheek family DNA. As long as that is understood. > > > > > >I'm at a wedding in Mexico so I will not have easy internet until > > >Tuesday. > > > > > >E-mail any time. > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > >Bennett Greenspan > > >President > > >Family Tree DNA > > >www.FamilyTreeDNA.com > > > > > >"History Unearthed Daily" > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Norman H. Ricker, Jr. [mailto:[email protected]] > > >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:58 PM > > >To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > >Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > >Subject: Rebecca can do it! > > > > > > > > >Rebecca, my sister sent me the following message: > > > > > > >Dear Norman: I do not know who Rebecca is but I would be grateful if > > > >she could do it all.You said some things have to be done from this > > >computer. I > > > >loved the 99.00 price but I can handle the higher one. > > > >Love, > > > >Florence > > > > > >Florence is scared of the computer, if I can fill out the enrollment > > >for > > > > > >her to join the Cheek Project, using my computer, I will do it. Does > > >the > > > > > >"Confirm" button send this enrollment to you? The only problem I see is > > > > >that my computer E-mail address is going to be there somewhere, and > > >Florence's E-mail address is an entry on the form; will the computer > > >kick it back for that reason? She is not going to provide her credit > > >card information, so I will enter "Invoice" for payment method. > > > > > >An alternative would be for me to furnish to you the entry information > > >and you complete the form from your computer. > > > > > >If the form goes directly to Mr. Greenspan, he can tell us what he > > >wants us to do. He is a copy addressee on this message. > > > > > >Norm Ricker > > > > > > > > > > > >

Does anyone know if the General Baptists have any similar online information. I have some General Baptists in the Little Egypt area, specifically Olive Baptist Church. I am not sure which county it is in. I believe it is near McCormick, Illinois. --- Linda --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:41:02 From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: >Ladies and Gentlemen: > In case it might be of any help to anyone with Baptist ancestors, I >submit the website of the Primitive Baptist Library, in Carthage, >Illinois, which has done research on churches of that faith in over 80 >counties of Illinois, and in over 30 states across the northern part of >our country. The Library has a collection of church and association >records, and periodicals, with obituaries, and membership lists have been >extracted and entered into a database which now has about 44,000 names, >about half of which are for Illinois. > The website is: >http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html >Sincerely, >Elder Robert Webb > > >==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== >Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > ____________________________________________________________ Diabetics: Click here for a Free Glucose Meter from Access Diabetic. http://r.hotbot.com/r/lmt_ad/http://mocda4.com/1/c/563632/102938/302214/302214 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 14 September 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #33 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, A couple of weeks ago, Grandma Bobbi got me to thinking about plants and their uses, but I thought I would file those ideas away for next spring, except for one item. Grandma Bobbi might say, "Don't follow a cow and eat what they eat, ... cows are awf'ly dumb animals." That got me to thinking about what animals do eat, and that led me to what sheep eat, which led me to wondering about an ancestor who just might have tried sheep raising for their wool. Every so often I review what I know about sheep raising and wondering about 3rdGreat Grandpa Frederick ... did he try raising wool on the hoof, as an enterprise? When Great Grandpa Frederick was born in the Louisiana Territory, sheep raising was an important facet of frontier life. Without a sheep or two, wool for clothing would not be available. Weaving was an important part of frontier living. Today, weaving has rather gone out of style, and is not needed by the average person or family. Clothes are taken "off" the rack, so to speak. And, sheep raising by the average family just isn't done. So sheep raising is left to the mega- firms, and then not so much for the wool, for the wool market has been stagnant. Even so, sheep today are bred larger in size so as to produce more wool and/or mutton. They are also fed greater amounts from storage rather than left to forage from the land. Back in Great Grandpa's day, sheep wouldn't weigh more than forty pounds. Also, they weren't treated much special, so they had to be hardy little rascals ... withstanding cold, hunger and disease. In the past, New England was [and is] a good sheep region, as were the western hills and mountains. And, in the mid-1800s, before the development of the western United States there were millions of acres in open range, in which great rivalries developed between cattle and sheep ranching. In the hill country of middle America, sheep were not given the Shepard's care that we picture so frequently. In the west we picture the sheep herder with his "camper" tending the sheep daily, protecting them from the "wilds" so to speak. In contrast, in the hills west of the coastal areas of the east, sheep foraged for themselves. Farmers fenced in their gardens and what was outside was left for stock. In fact cattle, hogs and sheep were let loose in the hills to graze. They would stay together and rounded up when needed. The sheep would wander away and return when they needed salt or something or, in the fall they would be rounded up so that they could be "brought through the winter". Thus, care of the sheep in the summer was pretty easy ... furnish pasture, water, and some salt. Furnishing shelter and feeding them in the winter was different. Rams were kept for breeding and to keep from inbreeding, they were often traded around the neighborhood. One ram to twenty ewes seemed to be the ratio. Surplus rams were eaten. Surplus rams were usually castrated and raised for ‘wethers' or mutton. Somewhere in reading, it was estimated that one acre of good forage would support three ewes. At those figures it would take more than a quarter section of land to support three hundred sheep. In the southwest, the Spanish introduced sheep into the that area before 1700. There was the owner [the haciendaro], who supervised the mayordomo, who in turn supervised three caporales. Caporales supervised three vaqueros, who in turn supervised three pastores or herders. Each herder tended [day and night] about 1500 sheep. I'm sure there were larger and smaller ranches, but it was a patterned or organizational hierarchy. Americans during the 1830s and 40s made changes to the raising of wool by introducing new breeds, though they maintained the Spanish style of organization. This was due to demand for wool by the New England mills. This new demand reached its peak in the 1870s. This could have stirred Great Grandpa into trying his hand at it during the 1850s. Who knows? I still don't know, and I keep finding small bits of history which do not eliminate the possibility. Ahhhhh, sweet mystery ... !! e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Debbie; It does mention a W.J.Ward. Dan Ward and a Rebecca Ward. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward/Copland/Copeland > John, no, I don't have that book. Does it offer any other WARD information other than that Anna Ward married John Short Copland in 1835? Is there any indication the Ward and Copland families knew each other before coming to Johnson County, Illinois? Thanks for telling me about this book, and I look forward to receiving your reply. Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Hines > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward > > > Debbie; > > Do you have the Book on the Copelands and Little Families? By > A.Lucille Harney and Fairline Bigley! > > John > > PS: They are kin to me also! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:53 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward > > > > Yeh! My maiden name was Debbie Ward. My Dad was born in Karnak, but his > great aunt was Anna Ward Copeland Calhoon, one of the very first settlers of > Vienna. His great uncle, Pleasant Ward was one of the earliest merchants in > Vienna. No doubt your ancestors and mine were acquaintances. Interesting > to think about how we have met on the internet - an invention they would > never have been able to dream of - and here we are kind of "re-connected". > Nice to meet you. Good luck with your research. Debbie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dmb1957 > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards & Ward of Johnson County, IL & Pulaski > County, IL > > > > > > Debbie: > > I haven't gotten to far in my research.I do know that my > great-grandparents > > came from Vienna in Johnson county.George William and Sarah Armstrong > > Edwards and Winslow and Sallie Lovens(Lovins).That is all that I have on > > them. > > Thank you for answering. > > Debbie Edwards Bibbs > > PS.I think that it is kinda neat...we both have the same first > name!..lol. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM > > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards & Ward of Johnson County, IL & Pulaski > County, > > IL > > > > > > > Debbie: > > > > > > My direct Edwards line did not live in Belknap until 1916 when my > > Great-Grandfather, Finas Newton Edwards died. He was buried in the > cemetery > > there -gravestone still stands. However, we may still connect in a > > different way which you will see at the end of this letter. > > > > > > Finas' widow was enumerated on the 1920 census, living with her > daughter's > > family: > > > 1920, 13 January: Federal Census, Johnson County, Illinois, Cache > > Township, "Belknap Village" > > > Family #119: > > > Ward, Harve, 24, married, born Illinois, mother and father born > Illinois, > > Laborer, Timber & Farm > > > Ward, Hazel, 19, born Indiana, mother and father born Illinois > > > Ward, Harvey O., 1-11/12, born Illinois, father born Illinois, mother > born > > Indiana > > > Edwards, Edith, Mother-in-law, 64, widow, born Illinois, mother and > father > > born Illinois. > > > > > > Edith Edwards' son, Fred Alva Edwards, and maybe another son Tom > Edwards, > > were living in Belknap already. I think she went to live with them once > her > > husband died. None of the names you listed appear in my database. > > > > > > We may connect in a different way, however. My great-grandfather's > > youngest brother, McCollister (aka "Mack" or "Collie") had a son, > Willis, > > who was living in Johnson County. 24 November 1910, Willis A. Edwards > of > > Bloomfield, Johnson County, Illinois, Laborer, 22, born in White County, > > Illinois, son of Mack Collister and Emma Edwards, marries Mary E. Rion, > 18 > > born Johnson County, Illinois, daughter of William Rion of Bloomfield, > > Illinois. Willis would have been a cousin to Tom and Fred Edwards. All > of > > them had been fromWhite County, Illinois. I think the attraction in > Belknap > > was the lumbering & box- building and some of them worked, I think, at > Main > > Bros. Box and Lumber just across the county line in Karnak - a hop, skip > and > > jump from Belknap. Maybe the other Edwards there were cousins too? Can > you > > trace any of your Edwards to White County, Illinois (circa 1850); > Muhlenberg > > County, Kentucky (circa 1835); or Wilson County, Tennessee (circa 1800)? > > Let me know if y! > > > ou see any connection. Thanks for writing. > > > > > > Debbie McArdle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: dmb1957 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:03 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > Hi Debbie...I am researching my dad's family.I noticed that you have > > Edwards > > > listed.I am an Edwards. > > > My dad is James Homer Edwards..b.Feb.20,1929..d.March 20,1999. > > > His dad,James Henry Edwards...b.Nov.26,1887 in Belknap,Illinois...d > > March > > > 30,1963. > > > His mom,Gracie Belle Carter Edwards....b May 26,1893 in Belknap....d > > July > > > 12,1946. > > > Do these names sound familiar to you? > > > Thank you, > > > Debbie Edwards Bibbs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > > Virginia, yes, he is the same person. He is not related, as it > turns > > out, > > > to the Morses of Massac County, Illinois. Are you researching the > > Morses of > > > that area? Debbie McArdle (researching Edwards, Ward, Hazel, Beggs, > > Morse, > > > Ledbetter in Pope, Massac, Johnson & Pulaski Counties, Illinois) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Virginia Flesher > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > > > > Is James Bostick Morse the same person as James MORSE of Olive > > Branch, > > > MS? > > > > That name seems familiar to me. I exchanged some information > with > > him > > > > several years ago and he was not on internet, I am pretty sure. > > > > > > > > At 12:31 AM 9/8/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >James Bostick Morse and Tommy H. Moss match 11 out of 12, > having > > > mutations > > > > >in just one sector. This was a surprise to us all! They are > in > > the > > > > >process of analyzing their charts to see where their male lines > > > connect. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

Debbie; Page 33 of Book lists: John S. Copeland was born Abt. 1810 in Montgomery Co., TN and lived in Pulaski Co., IL. He married Anne Ward Jan. 23, 1835, in Johnson Co., IL. Anne was born 1812 in AL. She married (2) George Calhoun. John S. was a farmer. He purchased 459-16/100 acres of land in Johnson Co., IL located at 15S 3E Track S15, date unkown (after 1816). Sources: 5,66. Childern of John Copeland and Anne Ward are: i. John Ward Copeland ii. Sarah Ann Copeland iii James Copeland iv William P. Copeland, b. Oct. 11, 1848, Grand Chain, IL. John's father was John C. Copeland b. Sept. 30, 1775 Grandfather was William b. Abt 1754 GGrandfather was David b. Abt 1720 The Book has 502 pages! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward/Copland/Copeland > John, no, I don't have that book. Does it offer any other WARD information other than that Anna Ward married John Short Copland in 1835? Is there any indication the Ward and Copland families knew each other before coming to Johnson County, Illinois? Thanks for telling me about this book, and I look forward to receiving your reply. Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Hines > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward > > > Debbie; > > Do you have the Book on the Copelands and Little Families? By > A.Lucille Harney and Fairline Bigley! > > John > > PS: They are kin to me also! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:53 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards / Ward > > > > Yeh! My maiden name was Debbie Ward. My Dad was born in Karnak, but his > great aunt was Anna Ward Copeland Calhoon, one of the very first settlers of > Vienna. His great uncle, Pleasant Ward was one of the earliest merchants in > Vienna. No doubt your ancestors and mine were acquaintances. Interesting > to think about how we have met on the internet - an invention they would > never have been able to dream of - and here we are kind of "re-connected". > Nice to meet you. Good luck with your research. Debbie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dmb1957 > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards & Ward of Johnson County, IL & Pulaski > County, IL > > > > > > Debbie: > > I haven't gotten to far in my research.I do know that my > great-grandparents > > came from Vienna in Johnson county.George William and Sarah Armstrong > > Edwards and Winslow and Sallie Lovens(Lovins).That is all that I have on > > them. > > Thank you for answering. > > Debbie Edwards Bibbs > > PS.I think that it is kinda neat...we both have the same first > name!..lol. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:15 AM > > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Edwards & Ward of Johnson County, IL & Pulaski > County, > > IL > > > > > > > Debbie: > > > > > > My direct Edwards line did not live in Belknap until 1916 when my > > Great-Grandfather, Finas Newton Edwards died. He was buried in the > cemetery > > there -gravestone still stands. However, we may still connect in a > > different way which you will see at the end of this letter. > > > > > > Finas' widow was enumerated on the 1920 census, living with her > daughter's > > family: > > > 1920, 13 January: Federal Census, Johnson County, Illinois, Cache > > Township, "Belknap Village" > > > Family #119: > > > Ward, Harve, 24, married, born Illinois, mother and father born > Illinois, > > Laborer, Timber & Farm > > > Ward, Hazel, 19, born Indiana, mother and father born Illinois > > > Ward, Harvey O., 1-11/12, born Illinois, father born Illinois, mother > born > > Indiana > > > Edwards, Edith, Mother-in-law, 64, widow, born Illinois, mother and > father > > born Illinois. > > > > > > Edith Edwards' son, Fred Alva Edwards, and maybe another son Tom > Edwards, > > were living in Belknap already. I think she went to live with them once > her > > husband died. None of the names you listed appear in my database. > > > > > > We may connect in a different way, however. My great-grandfather's > > youngest brother, McCollister (aka "Mack" or "Collie") had a son, > Willis, > > who was living in Johnson County. 24 November 1910, Willis A. Edwards > of > > Bloomfield, Johnson County, Illinois, Laborer, 22, born in White County, > > Illinois, son of Mack Collister and Emma Edwards, marries Mary E. Rion, > 18 > > born Johnson County, Illinois, daughter of William Rion of Bloomfield, > > Illinois. Willis would have been a cousin to Tom and Fred Edwards. All > of > > them had been fromWhite County, Illinois. I think the attraction in > Belknap > > was the lumbering & box- building and some of them worked, I think, at > Main > > Bros. Box and Lumber just across the county line in Karnak - a hop, skip > and > > jump from Belknap. Maybe the other Edwards there were cousins too? Can > you > > trace any of your Edwards to White County, Illinois (circa 1850); > Muhlenberg > > County, Kentucky (circa 1835); or Wilson County, Tennessee (circa 1800)? > > Let me know if y! > > > ou see any connection. Thanks for writing. > > > > > > Debbie McArdle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: dmb1957 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:03 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > Hi Debbie...I am researching my dad's family.I noticed that you have > > Edwards > > > listed.I am an Edwards. > > > My dad is James Homer Edwards..b.Feb.20,1929..d.March 20,1999. > > > His dad,James Henry Edwards...b.Nov.26,1887 in Belknap,Illinois...d > > March > > > 30,1963. > > > His mom,Gracie Belle Carter Edwards....b May 26,1893 in Belknap....d > > July > > > 12,1946. > > > Do these names sound familiar to you? > > > Thank you, > > > Debbie Edwards Bibbs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Debbie & Jim McArdle" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > > Virginia, yes, he is the same person. He is not related, as it > turns > > out, > > > to the Morses of Massac County, Illinois. Are you researching the > > Morses of > > > that area? Debbie McArdle (researching Edwards, Ward, Hazel, Beggs, > > Morse, > > > Ledbetter in Pope, Massac, Johnson & Pulaski Counties, Illinois) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Virginia Flesher > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Morse / Moss DNA Testing > > > > > > > > > > > > Is James Bostick Morse the same person as James MORSE of Olive > > Branch, > > > MS? > > > > That name seems familiar to me. I exchanged some information > with > > him > > > > several years ago and he was not on internet, I am pretty sure. > > > > > > > > At 12:31 AM 9/8/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >James Bostick Morse and Tommy H. Moss match 11 out of 12, > having > > > mutations > > > > >in just one sector. This was a surprise to us all! They are > in > > the > > > > >process of analyzing their charts to see where their male lines > > > connect. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

Ladies and Gentlemen: In case it might be of any help to anyone with Baptist ancestors, I submit the website of the Primitive Baptist Library, in Carthage, Illinois, which has done research on churches of that faith in over 80 counties of Illinois, and in over 30 states across the northern part of our country. The Library has a collection of church and association records, and periodicals, with obituaries, and membership lists have been extracted and entered into a database which now has about 44,000 names, about half of which are for Illinois. The website is: http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html Sincerely, Elder Robert Webb