Hi, Is anyone researching the James Fowler and M.J. Sanders family? They had a daughter named Martha A. Fowler, she married Andrew Johnson Neely. Sincerely, Debbie

In a message dated 10/19/03 10:09:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jane, I've tried to send you the pic twice to your personal emal, but it comes back. It may have something that prevents attachments. As you know, we can't send attachments to the list. Yes, it has a man and woman, but don't know who they were. I recently sent the pic to the Johnson Co Historical Soc, so you may be able to see it there soon. Joyce Joyce, > Does the picture have the teacher in it with the students? If it has the > male teacher, John Allen Vancil, I would like a copy. > Thanks > Jane > > >

Joyce; Thank you for the Picture and the info on this! I will ask around and see if any of my family knows anymore of the people too! John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Johnson Co. Historical Society website-Parrish Ridge > Thanks for all the help, everyone. > > Joyce > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

Joyce, Does the picture have the teacher in it with the students? If it has the male teacher, John Allen Vancil, I would like a copy. Thanks Jane

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 19 October 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #37 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, As a retired person, I keep busy. In fact I always wonder how I had time to work when I was fully employed. Anyway to satisfy part of my being, I work part time for a Clerk of Common Pleas Courts. Part of my position is to help her keep up with literature. She furnishes the journals and I furnish the time to read them. They cover a good diversity .... legislative matters, computer technology, business journals ... things like that. So, it is always true that I learn new things while looking for other things. I was reading a periodical called "FastCompany" this week. On page 138 [Nov 2003] I learned what a "big" mouth can get you. Norma "Duffy" Lyon, who is a bit older than me, but no less a braggart, for she said, "I can do it better!" She took 800 pounds of unsalted, five year-old butter and a week of eight hour days to sculpt an Ayrshire [cow] for the Iowa State Fair. How would you like that to display at your local Fair? She has sculpt celebrities, and things from Harley Cycles to the Last Supper. She works in a refrigerated environment and is a great conservationist ... she dismantles her sculptures and freezes the butter until the next project. Well, the subject intrigued me, so I went off to the internet and tested the search engines for "butter sculpting". I encourage you to do the same ... there is a "ton" of sites containing pictures and articles. They range from Tibetan monks creating elaborate scenes to cows at State Fairs and other statues. There are the many "clever" [head]lines, such as "high-cholesterol art", and "a pat on the back for the butter sculptor". In Tibet, to celebrate the New Year, Buddhist monks sculpt stories or fables from yak-butter. Some of them reach a height of 30 feet and are lit with special "butter" lamps. In fact, I've read where butter sculpture an ancient art in Tibet. The creations symbolized impermanence which is basic to their form of Buddhism. In our culture the art is connected to County and State Fairs and "sideshows". Late in the 19thcentury, San Franciscan, Caroline Brooks was nationally known for her butter sculpture. She became known as the "Butterlady". Unlike the Tibetans and modern sculptors, Ms Brooks work was prelude to marble sculptures. Early in the 20th century, J E Wallace worked in large coolers to sculpt cows for agricultural fairs. The art remains popular today all across the United States. Norma Lyons has created 30 butter cows for the Illinois State Fair. She is about or almost 75 years old. A 2001 newspaper article said she would probably retire. She was the Grand Marshall for the 2001 parade in Springfield, IL, opening that year's fair. Ms Lyons is from Toledo. Maybe unfortunate for northwestern Ohioans, not Toledo, Ohio, but Toledo, Iowa. It was at the Iowa State Fair that she sculpted the Last Supper. This scene took over a ton of butter. Her cow sculptures are all life size. She became Iowa's State Fair sculptress in 1960, after she had commented that she could do better than a previous cow that had been displayed at the fair. Ms "Duffy" studied with Christian Petersen. Petersen was an artist in residence a Iowa State from 1934 to 1955. In 2000, she sculpted Mr Petersen sculpting his famous work, "The Gentle Doctor". In Pennsylvania a committee of the dairy industry picks a theme, however because it was September 2001, Edward Shank was given "liberty" to create a scene. In great secrecy he worked and when he revealed his sculpture it contained a fireman directing a hose, a police officer handing a large flag to a uniformed soldier in a Special Operations beret. The work of art took nearly 800 pounds of donated butter. In Minnesota last year [2002], in celebration of their first decade there, Tibetan Buddhists displayed delicate blossoms in colored butter. On another front, the Princess Kay of the Milky Way at the Minnesota State Fair serves as the official goodwill ambassador for Minnesota's dairy industry. One of the first official duties of the Princess Kay is to sit in a rotating cooler for several hours on the opening day of the fair to have her likeness sculpted in a 90-pound block of butter. Butter sculpting at the Minnesota State Fair is to highlight the state's publicity as the "butter capital of the nation." 2100 pounds of butter formed three Hasbro creations for display at the 2000 Ohio State Fair. A Tonka truck, Furby, and Rich Uncle Pennybags from Monopoly were formed by Hasbro sculptor in Cincinnati. The Hasbro lead sculptor, Bob Kling, and others volunteered to take over from 36 year veteran of carved butter cows, calves and famous Ohioans, Dan Ross, at the state fair when he retired. To maintain the tradition, the Bob Kling artists also sculpted a cow and calf. Butter sculpture is not exclusive to agriculture and State fairs. In the 1800's many frontier women molded and imprinted their homemade butter. Part of my position with a Clerk of Common Pleas Courts is to e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Thanks for all the help, everyone. Joyce

In a message dated 10/19/03 8:37:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The only names I have of the pic were Flora Marie Escue, a tall blonde in back, and Hattie Stokes, right in front of her. They were both in my family. There is another girl next to Hattie, that has the look of a Stokes, and Lowell Escue may have been one of the boys, but not sure which.-- i rather think the boy holding his hat in the fron row, may have been him. Joyce Escue Culver > I don't know where the Parrish Ridge School was for sure, but would be most > interested to know which surnames are on the picture. My ancestors are from > Johnson and Pope. > Margaret Oliver > >

Joyce; I would also be interested in getting a copy of this School Picture also! John M. Hines, Sr. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Parrish Ridge School > Hi Joyce..I'd be most interested in recieving the picture you have..... > > Dwight.. > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:24:21 EDT [email protected] writes: > > > Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or > > > Williamson Co? > > > I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Only a couple of > > > students are > > > identified. I am willing to share pic if anyone wants > > it. > > > > > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > >

http://johnsoncountyil.net/ They have many publications for sale and you receive a discount if you become a member of the society. If you drop by to do research in Vienna you can also buy their publications at the library. Here are three more Johnson Co. Illinois web sites http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ http://www.iltrails.org/johnson/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohns2/index.html

Hi Joyce..I'd be most interested in recieving the picture you have..... Dwight.. > Debbie > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:24:21 EDT [email protected] writes: > > Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or > > Williamson Co? > > I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Only a couple of > > students are > > identified. I am willing to share pic if anyone wants > it. > > > > Joyce Escue Culver > >

I don't know where the Parrish Ridge School was for sure, but would be most interested to know which surnames are on the picture. My ancestors are from Johnson and Pope. Margaret Oliver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra D Snook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Parrish Ridge School > Joyce, > > For the few students that are identified on your picture, are any of them > possibly a NEELY/NEELEY? > > Debbie > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:24:21 EDT [email protected] writes: > > Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or > > Williamson Co? > > I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Only a couple of > > students are > > identified. I am willing to share pic if anyone wants it. > > > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

Joyce, For the few students that are identified on your picture, are any of them possibly a NEELY/NEELEY? Debbie On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:24:21 EDT [email protected] writes: > Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or > Williamson Co? > I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Only a couple of > students are > identified. I am willing to share pic if anyone wants it. > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

>Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or Williamson Co? I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Joyce Escue Culver< Hi Joyce, I just found this small write-up about Parish Ridge School in "Johnson County, Illinois History & Families, Volume 1" published in 1990 by the Johnson County Historical and Genealogical Society. This book does not have a photo of Parish Ridge School, so I think that the historical society in Johnson Co. would be thrilled to get a copy of the photo that you have. Page 68: (note: this is the entire write-up on the school) "Parish Ridge School, District #19, was located about three miles east of Goreville on the gravel road to the left 1/4 mile, just past the I-24 bridge on the present Deer Ridge Road. The land for the Parish Ridge School was purchased from JAMES M. and MATILDA HENDERSON PARISH in 1874. The area was settled by the families of JAMES M. PARISH and his brothers, JOHN B. and BENJAMIN F., sons of JAMES and ELIZABETH GOODWIN PARISH from whom Parish Ridge takes it's name. Parish Ridge School was a little one room school. The school was used until the 1940's at which time the small country schools of Goreville Township were consolidated into Goreville Grade School. Teachers there were IRA JACKSON and JOHN ALLEN VANCIL. Two of the students were BETTY LOU SHINN and JOE DEAN DUNN. In the early 1900's church services were held in the school house. The Parish Ridge area has been renamed Deer Ridge and Lakeside. Written by ANNA WHEATON" ................................................................................................... I excerpted these small bits today from "A History of Johnson County" by Mrs. P.T. Chapman, published 1925. This book has been republished by the Johnson Co. Historical Society. p. 92: "Realizing that the educational system then in operation was not doing for the people what it should, the legislature enacted into law in 1855, the foundation of the present state system. Townships were laid off into school districts, three and four to a township. An attempt was made to provide that no pupil be obliged to walk more than two miles to school and school boards were compelled to maintain school not less than six months in each year and to authorize a sufficient levy to support them." p. 94: The average wage paid teachers of the county for the year...1900, $226.00; in 1910, $271.00; in 1920, $495.00....In 1908 there were 7,588 children in the county, with 4,792 enrolled in the schools; the average monthly wage paid men for that year was $47.10, women $35.10." p. 97: "The school law of our state has been improved from time to time since 1855 by lengthening the term and in making attendance compulsory. The first law of this kind was passed in 1883, compelling parents or guardians to send children under 14 to school a certain number of days each year. In this same law such varied subjects as physical training and proper care of the teeth were made obligatory and as early as 1897 the effect of alcohol and narcotics became a required subject."

Can anyone tell me if Parish Ridge School was in Johnson Co or Williamson Co? I have a pic of students roughly 1910-1912. Only a couple of students are identified. I am willing to share pic if anyone wants it. Joyce Escue Culver

Hi Bill, Do you know what the years are for the birth and death of your John Wright? My first John Wright was born abt. 1825 died March 1869 both in Jackson County, Ill. son of David Wright and unknown mother, possibly Elizabeth Will John married Matilda Catherine Davis 8 Nov. 1849 I have just come across another John Wright in the past month, and I have not placed him at this time. Debbie On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:32:05 EDT [email protected] writes: > Debbie: > > I have seen info that my John WRIGHT was from Jackson County. > > He married Clara Louise FAIN in Johnson County. > > He was several years older than her and I suspect that he had been > married > before! > > I have no other information on him or his lineage! > > Bill in Dallas > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

Debbie: I have seen info that my John WRIGHT was from Jackson County. He married Clara Louise FAIN in Johnson County. He was several years older than her and I suspect that he had been married before! I have no other information on him or his lineage! Bill in Dallas

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 12 October 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #36 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Yesterday, out in Southern Illinois, at John Logan College, the Central Illinois Genealogical Society held their annual conference and book fair. Some of my cousins were there and I wanted to be there also. Other activities prevented this, so I moped and pined and cleaned out the garage [prep for winter storing of a car] and cut a rug to fit a room. Chores like these are too much like work and the mind needs diversion ... causing thoughts to wander. And, wander they did ... remembering family and friends of yesteryear. This led to remembrances of the rhymes we chanted or wrote in our autograph books and high school yearbooks. A firm belief of mine is that there shall be no collecting of antiques unless they can be used. Thus, there are few in my home. However, I do have collections ... some are antiques ... Grandpa's railroad watch; cup and saucer from the Bermuda Governor's Mansion; glass china cabinet; Eagle claw table; and sayings from autograph books. "And when long circling years have rolled away and friends departed who are here today, when those whose names this treasured book contains are widely scatter'd o'er earths distant plains, then shall thy mind each former scene unfold and with those friends, a sweet communion hold" --May 12, 1879, Wm H Krippendorf, source unknown Autograph books come fancy and plain. Old 19th Century ones are often velvet covered and gold embossed. In those autograph books the penmanship is absolutely beautiful. Calligraphy is what I would call it. My Great Uncle Lando and his siblings had beautiful handwriting. All those swirls and loops and every letter precise. Grandma Oliver's autograph pages had beautiful little poems and sayings ... in a quaint language from a bygone era. "When joy and gladness fill the heart, when care and sorrow both depart, when all around is mirth and glee, then Dear Carrie, think of me." And, "It would be my wish dear Carrie, through thy way in life, peace and happiness, might be on thee, ever shining, but if that wish be too great, then may this be granted, that every cloud that threatens thee, may have a silver lining." The poetry was great: "Carrie said with smiling look, Lizzie write something in my book. I will comply to your request, and thus by me you are addressed. I wish you happiness and peace, as years roll on, and months increase. And when you reach the distant shore, may you be blessed forevermore." "Like sunshine on a flower, may your path ever be, and may each future hour bring happiness to thee." "Forget me not forget me never, Til yonder sun shall set forever. Forget me not forget me never, And I will be your friend forever." If scribbling in books, Remembrance secures, With the greatest of pleasures, I'll scribble in yours." "I have your album in wich to write Have turned to a page all blank and white On dipping my pen into ink I knit my brows, and try to think. I thought, and thought, and thought in vain And then I concluded to write my name." Sixty years ago the rhymes of my youth were a bit more spirited, sassy even: "Andy Pandy, Mother Goose, I was born, what's your excuse?" "When you get married And live upstairs, Don't come down And borrow my chairs." May your path be strewn With roses, And your kids all have Pug noses." Two liners conveying advice were popular: "When you get married and have twins, Don't come to me for safety pins." "May your life be like a fried egg, ... sunnyside up!" "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." "Always do right. This will gratify many, and astonish the rest." "When you get old, And think you are sweet, Take off your shoes, And smell your feet." There were all sorts of variations on the "Roses are red, ..." verses. The first two lines were always the same, but the last two lines were anything from complimentary to things as unflattering as the imagination could conger. "Roses are red, Violets are blue, You like Sue, So phooey to you." "Roses are red, Violets are blue, I know a donkey, That looks like you." "Roses are red, Violets are blue, Rain on the tin roof, Reminds me of you ... Drip, drip, drip." "Roses are red, Violets are blue, I got rid of my dog ‘cause he looked like you." We were not without sentiment, we just didn't like to show it. We had our better moments: "Yours til' Niagara Falls." May your future be as right as Edison's electric light." "Friends there are of two types, Those I can do without, and you." A couple of years ago I used the following quote: I end this article with one just for you, dear reader ... "A friend like you is just my cup of tea!" Enjoy Columbus Day tomorrow! Courthouses are closed. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Bill, Do you have any WRIGHT'S from Jackson County, Illinois. Debbie On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:06:17 EDT [email protected] writes: > Jerry: > > Received in Dallas, Texas > > Bill Crawford > > FAIN, DAVIDSON, WRIGHT > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > >

Jerry: Received in Dallas, Texas Bill Crawford FAIN, DAVIDSON, WRIGHT

You are o.k. in Arkansas. LK