Sharon and all, When I was there last month, the will books and birth and death books were in a vault on the main level. They allowed you to go into the vault and there is a card file that tells you where each record is in what book and page number. They do not match the numbers listed on the IRAD website as that site has their own numbering system. The vault is rather small and you can get about four large books and four matching people out at the same time - more than that is rough - and if you're claustrophobic, send a friend who isn't!

Yes, there are in the courthouse. When I was there a few years ago they just let you down in this little room in the basement to go through the books. There was water on the floor and no dehumidifier. I remember thinking these books aren't going to last long treated that way. They said the had been microfilmed at some point in their history but who really knows. Some of the records go back pretty early in Johnson Co history. Mara

Are there any early court records in the court house or library in Vienna? Sharon

Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 4 July 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #25 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, [Continued from Vol 3 #24, 27 June 2004] Happy Birthday America! Out in northwest Wyoming there rises some 1267 feet above the Belle Fourche River Valley the core remains of an extinct volcano. Devil's Tower is steeped in North American cultural tradition. One legend portrays a giant bear clawing the grooves into the mountainside while chasing some young maidens who were playing some distance from their camp. The girls ran back toward their village, however, the bear cut them off. Jumping upon a rock, they began to pray for the Spirit of the Rock to protect them. The Spirit, hearing their plea and feeling sympathetic, caused the rock to rise, lifting them into the air. As the bear scratched and clawed at the sides of the rock, the rock rose ever higher to keep them out of reach of the bear. The bear jumped at the sides of the rock and clawed the rock, breaking its claws. The bear continued to claw and jump and the rock continued to rise until the girls were pushed upinto the sky, where to this very day, the girls are in a group of seven small stars called the Pleiades. The claw marks of the bear ae also visible to this day. The bear is quite symbolic in the Black Hills, and around a camp fire listening to these stories it might not be so hard to "believe". Speaking of imagining, it is quite easy to watch heavy black clouds swirling in the sky and thinking that it is a herd of stampeding "buffalo". The Spirit Riders emerge from the Thunder Bird [Golden Eagle] chasing them. While we were at Crazy Horse Memorial, our granddaughter looked at a bear talisman and remarked that it looked to her like the world. This rather surprised "Grandmother", who was the person tending the booth. And, she asked our granddaughter what she envisioned in a blue amulet. Her reply, after a thoughtful moment, was "water". The instant recognition of spirit flashed in "Grandmother's" eyes and the slightest hint of a smile appeared. I thought, how tremendous ... the affinity ... for I saw the charm as a tear. A third symbol was tried, however, the magic of the moment had passed and the five year old thought it was a game in which she was being tested. At another booth a lady was threading very delicate beads in the construction of necklaces. In the conversation exchanged between the two, the artisan counted aloud the beads, softly so as to maintain her concentration. When she had finished the necklace, she remarked that she had "just enough", as there were no more beads left on her board. Our granddaughter, in a five year olds' understanding of facts, said that there were still three beads left on the board. She was so kindly thanked for her "eagle" eyes. There are few much advertised roadside stops that gain either my interest or respect. However, the Repitle Gardens outside Rapid City certainly gained both, my interest and respect. First, within their displays of ancient bones I recognized the work of the Black Hills Institute of Geological Research, Inc. of Hill City. Second, though there were other reasons also, our grandson was enthralled and a boy, who doesn't admit to liking reading, was reading all the display information. On the upper level of the dome there were lizards and snakes, especially a most wonderful collection of venomous ones and large pythons. One of the most fascinating things about each enclosure/display was uniquely contained beautiful rocks and minerals. They also uniquely displayed sculptures in the enclosures. In a tropical dome were gorgeous orchids and other tropical flowers, as well as cacti. Birds [finches] were allowed free flight, lizards scurried here and there, very colorful parrots were perched on tree branches, and a couple of boas hung over your head in a tree. In addition to what has been mentioned above, our grandson enjoyed the displays of alligators, crocodiles and other amphibians. The grandchildren enjoyed handling some turtles and pythons. Speaking of bones and things ... there is yet another place in the Black Hills area which offers excitement for young "diggers". That is the Hot Springs area which is not noted for just its warm water. In an area that was fed by springs and had steep banks, called a spring fed sink- hole, animals from the Ice Ages were attracted by thirst and trapped by the steep banks. Nearly forty species of Ice Age animals, including Mammoths, apparently perished in the sinkhole. One hundred and six tusks have been found; making it fifty three young bulls who were caught in this sinkhole. Paleontology = the study of the life of past geological periods as known from fossil remains; the study of "bones" Geology = the study of the history of the earth and its life, especially as recorded in rocks archeology = the study of material remains of past human life and activities; the remains of the culture of a people anthropology = the study of human being in relation to distribution, origin, classification, and relationship of races, physical character, environmental and social relations, and culture; in theology it is the dealing with the origin, nature, and destiny of human beings. Our trip to South Dakota was successful for an eight year old paleontologist wannabe; a six year old geologist wannabe; a thirty some with archeological experience; and a seventy something anthropological student. We were also accompanied by my wife and son-in-law, the tourists. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Morning Doris, Happy 4th of July to you and your's. Almost noon here. A few question's please. I have his name as Cary [you said Gary] am I wrong ? I have there marriage date as 5 mar 1825 [you said, 25 March 1855] just checking before I make any boo- boo's. Better to be safe than sorry, okay. Thank you ever so much for getting back to us, Tonia On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 08:11:11 EDT [email protected] writes: > Toni & Sharon: Tabitha PENNY & Gary GOWER were in Wake or Johnson > co., > North Carolina. They were married 25 March 1855, his 2nd wife was > Ophelia A. > GODWIN. > Gary was born 1801 North Carolina. Tabitha was born 1807, died 9 > July 1894. > Tabitha's parents were Hardy & Polly (YOUNG) PENNY. I have some > information > on their children as well. > My Gower line so far doesn't connect here. Our Gowers come from the > Abel > GOWER > down past the same line as Toni has shown. > Hope this helps. > Doris Gower > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > > >

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Toni & Sharon: Tabitha PENNY & Gary GOWER were in Wake or Johnson co., North Carolina. They were married 25 March 1855, his 2nd wife was Ophelia A. GODWIN. Gary was born 1801 North Carolina. Tabitha was born 1807, died 9 July 1894. Tabitha's parents were Hardy & Polly (YOUNG) PENNY. I have some information on their children as well. My Gower line so far doesn't connect here. Our Gowers come from the Abel GOWER down past the same line as Toni has shown. Hope this helps. Doris Gower

Ido not know for sure. Will send a few thing's for you to look over. I have another person who is fixing to help me on the Gower's coming to Williamson County, Illinois. They did because they came into my family of Simmons, Sanders, and Mann's. Tonia Descendants of Robert Gower 1 Robert Gower b: 1780 in Tennessee d: 1817 .. +Agnes Burnly b: 1780 d: Bet. 1822 - 1824 in Davidson County, Tennessee m: 25 September 1799 in Nashville, Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Frances (Franky) Gower b: 1802 in Davidson County, Tennessee ............... +Jacob (Jake) W. Sanders b: 26 June 1802 in Robertson County, Tennessee d: 10 October 1863 in Williamson County, Illinois m: 19 December 1821 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Russell Gower b: 1804 in Davidson County, Tennessee d: Abt. 1852 in Williamson County, Illinois ............... +Nancy Boyte b: Bet. 1804 - 1805 in Davidson County, Tennessee m: 21 December 1826 in Nashville, Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Elizabeth Gower b: 1809 in Davidson County, Tennessee ............... +John (Boyd) Boyt b: Bet. 1807 - 1809 in Tennessee m: 20 January 1830 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Prudence Gower b: 1809 in Tennessee ............... +John Donelson b: 1804 in Ohio m: 10 November 1831 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Lewis Garrett Gower b: Abt. 1810 in Tennessee d: Abt. 1848 ............... +Mary J. Fowler b: 1812 in Virginia m: 30 August 1828 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Joseph Wilson Gower b: 1811 ............... +Martha Gower b: 1814 m: 02 March 1830 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... *2nd Wife of Joseph Wilson Gower: ............... +Mary Gower b: 1815 m: 16 June 1833 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Martha (Patsey) Gower b: 25 December 1814 in Davidson County, Tennessee d: Aft. 1880 in Williamson County, Illinois ............... +Issac (Ike) Sanders b: 14 September 1808 in Cheatham County, Tennessee d: Bet. 28 July 1887 - 1888 in Williamson County, Illinois m: 02 March 1830 in Davidson County, Tennessee ........... 2 Felix Gower b: 1824 in Davidson County, Tennessee ............... +Martha Suggs, or Saggs b: 1827 m: Bet. 06 March 1843 - 1845 in Clinton, De Witt County, Illinois Descendants of Lewis Gower Generation No. 1 1. LEWIS5 GOWER (JOHN4, JOHN3, ABEL2, ABEL1) was born 1778 in North Carolina. He married JANE OVERBY 1796 in North Carolina. Children of LEWIS GOWER and JANE OVERBY are: i. GIDEON6 GOWER, b. 1800; m. LUCINDA. ii. CARY GOWER, b. 1801; d. August 1858, North Carolina; m. TABITHA PENNY, 05 March 1825. iii. JOHN GOWER, b. 1803; m. ELIZABETH HOPKINS, 1855. iv. ABEL GOWER, b. 1815; m. (1) MARTHA J. CONE; m. (2) CLARKEY HOLEMAN, 1850. On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 07:06:41 -0500 "Sharon Brown" <[email protected]> writes: > Did Tabitha and Gary lived in Johnson Co.? > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tonia M. Lee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] James A. Whiteside/ Margaret Penny > > > > Hello Sharon, > > I have a Tabitha Penny married to Gary Gower. > > Would that be your line by any chance. They > > were married 5 March 1825, I know not where. > > Tonia > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:06 -0500 "Sharon Brown" > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Anyone working on the Penny line? Email me if you are. > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > > [email protected]

Which Whitesides are these? I would like info on Frank Whitesides who m Martha Brush Sistler. I find two Frank's, one who is buried at Glendale.

I can't find a Tabitha Penny, but I have sent your names to the Penny cousins. Perhaps they have heard of her. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonia M. Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] James A. Whiteside/ Margaret Penny > Hello Sharon, > I have a Tabitha Penny married to Gary Gower. > Would that be your line by any chance. They > were married 5 March 1825, I know not where. > Tonia > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:06 -0500 "Sharon Brown" <[email protected]> > writes: > > Anyone working on the Penny line? Email me if you are. > > Sharon > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

Did Tabitha and Gary lived in Johnson Co.? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonia M. Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] James A. Whiteside/ Margaret Penny > Hello Sharon, > I have a Tabitha Penny married to Gary Gower. > Would that be your line by any chance. They > were married 5 March 1825, I know not where. > Tonia > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:06 -0500 "Sharon Brown" <[email protected]> > writes: > > Anyone working on the Penny line? Email me if you are. > > Sharon > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

Margaret had several brothers. I'll see what I can find. I have just started on the Pennys. Since Margaret married a Whiteside and her brother in law lived in Johnson Co., it may be possible. I think Margaret and James married before they got to Pope Co.but the Pennys were there from around 1807 - 1848. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonia M. Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] James A. Whiteside/ Margaret Penny > Hello Sharon, > I have a Tabitha Penny married to Gary Gower. > Would that be your line by any chance. They > were married 5 March 1825, I know not where. > Tonia > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:06 -0500 "Sharon Brown" <[email protected]> > writes: > > Anyone working on the Penny line? Email me if you are. > > Sharon > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

Anyone workig on the Penny line? Email me if you are. Sharon

Hello Sharon, I have a Tabitha Penny married to Gary Gower. Would that be your line by any chance. They were married 5 March 1825, I know not where. Tonia On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:46:06 -0500 "Sharon Brown" <[email protected]> writes: > Anyone working on the Penny line? Email me if you are. > Sharon > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > > >

Do you have any more information about India Sharp who m Henry C Smart?

Little Egypt Heritage Articles (c) Bill Oliver 27 June 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #24 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, [Continued from Vol 3 #23, 20 June 2004] There is nothing quite so terrible as disappointment to an eight year old. When you have your heart set on digging for dinosaur bones and your find out that that activity isn't going to take place as advertise it can be earth shattering. Our grandson let his disappointment be known in loud bursts of guttural noises that could be heard in any county surrounding us. From in front of us was a young paleontologist, Chris Ott, who offered to, as a substitute, take us all on a behind the scenes tour of the museum where he worked. And, what a grand tour it was. We got to peak at rows and rows of specimens, all "neatly" packaged and stored in drawers or on shelves. It could be compared to the Catacombs in Rome, Italy. No, this was more exciting, for we saw bones in many stages of being restored to the "light of day". Fossils of dinosaurs, some of which we had never heard about, and some even that as yet do not have a name. Setting at the kitchen table of our cottage while writing these words, I gaze out the window and look up the steep hill behind. It reminds me of a similar hill in Falls Church, Virginia. Up at the top of this hill was an outcrop of boulders arranged in such a way that I could sit in solitude and enjoy long periods of "day dreaming" or reading. I see our grandson up this hill leaping from one boulder to another, lost in his own world, reciting information about dinosaurs and dinosaur bones. He may not have been able to "dig" for bones, but he got to touch rare and extinct remains of some mighty giants. I wonder what he will tell his class when he returns to school and the teacher asks him to tell his class what he did during his "summer". Later in the day, after visiting Mount Rushmore for "a few minutes", we visited the Crazy Horse Memorial site. There we spent hours looking at pictures of the Black Hills culture and observing artisans making jewelry, painting pictures, and other symbols of the culture. This included demonstrations of dancing. Our granddaughter is most precocious and is able to walk up to anyone and start a conversation, either by asking a question or making comment. She had some of these artisans telling her the wonderful stories of how things came to be. Her fascination with one young man [Mose J Brings Plenty] was intense, for he sat and told the stories with captivating elocution. She particularly enjoyed the story of how the prairie chicken taught the Lakota how to dance. This story teller sure enjoyed listening to that story teller. <smile> His analogy was nigh perfect and when I next see a Sioux dance I will remember Mr Brings Plenty's story of how it all began. While there I had the distinct pleasure of some in-depth conversation with Mr Del Iron Cloud, a Hunkpapa Sioux. Mr Iron Cloud is an artist of talent. He has a fascinating ability to illustrate several concepts in his works. One particular painting titled "Forget Not The Past" has some notoriety. It portrays a Viet Nam Veteran and his little girl at the Viet Nam Memorial in Washington, D.C. The little girl touches fingers with a shadow youngster of the past. Surrounded by other shadow figures, an Elder offers a bundle of sage through the wall to the veteran, passing the torch as it were, to the modern generation to remember the heritage and forget not all the reasons for maintaining freedoms. What great sensitivity. I understand that Mr Iron Cloud has a web biography. The biography is at: www.lionscampco.org/cloud.html. Many paintings by Mr Iron Cloud can be located by a google search of Del Iron Cloud. On the aluminum siding to the garage of our grandchildren are the remains of the artistic attempts by these recently six and eight year olds. The siding had to be "cleaned" by these two. Mr Iron Cloud related that that paralleled one of his early experiences. He was about five when he used crayons to create his first pictures on the kitchen door. He was also given a bucket of water and a sponge. <grin> [To be continuted] [Continued] e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Thanks. I was just in Southern Ill. with my mom ( the real genealogist) visiting relatives. We live in Texas. Unfortunately I could not talk my mom into going to Vienna while we we there. I really wanted to go to the library. I may just have to go back up myself! :o The only infor that I have on the Veach family at this time is a record from the 1900 Censusfor Simpson Township, Illinois which is in Johnson County. Page 276 line 12-17. We are related to Frances Veach's wife Mary Lee Smart. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Jun 27, 2004 9:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILJOHNSO] VEACH My great-grandmother, Mary Leona Perkins, married Will Veach and they moved around the country, including a homestead in Montana. Will and his brother, J. D. went bear hunting in Colorado and helped to establish the turkey farming industry in that state. Imagine my surprise in finding Veach families in southern Illinois. Now Will was only my step-great-grandfather and no blood relation, but my grandmother knew him only as her dad. I have a few Veach pictures - including one of Ankah Mellet. I know that the relationship is distant, but there is VEACH information in a book at the library in Vienna. You may contact the librarian there if you need more information. Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/

Wow.... Thanks for the info.... In regards to Nancy J. Smart Her maiden name was Thompson. She was born in Virginia Nov 93, 1842. She married David Richard Smart ( also shown as D. R. Smart in some records) Dec 20, 1864. She died May 21, 1909 and is buried in Gilead Cemetary, Johnson Co. Illinois. David Richard Smart was born Dec. 20, 1838 in Virginia. He died August 15 1896 and is buried in Gilead Cemetary, Johnson Co. Illinois. My mother (his granddaughter) says that he killed himself due to something related to his service in the Civil War. We believe he was in Company B of the 51st Virginia Infantry. We know that they were in Tennessee in 1881 because my grandfather, Thomas Edward Smart was born in Kingsport, Tn. We are not sure when they moved to Illinois. We seem to have hit a temporary (I hope) gap in our history. We don't know who the parents of David are. My mom has been doing most of the research but it is difficult since we live in Texas. We were in Marion, Ill. recently to visit relatives but did not have time to visit Vienna or Simpson. May be next year. Not sure about Henry and Nannie Smart..... I will ask mom. Sue -----Original Message----- From: cypress50 <[email protected]> Sent: Jun 27, 2004 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] SMART in Simpson Township PARKER'S HISTORY OF JOHNSON COUNTY, pub. 1977, Rose Parker Bucciferro editor, Concord Cemetery, Section 31, Simpson Township, Johnson Co. Illinois, page 53: "INDIA, wife of H.G. SMART, Nov. 20, 1876 - Mar. 14, 1918. WILLIE H., son of H.G. and INDIA SMART, Oct. 4, 1899 - June 27, 1900." INDIA and WILLIE H. are the only SMART names for Concord Cemetery listed in this book. The book gives the initials as H.G. not H.C. so maybe the person walking the cemetery had difficulty reading the C and took it for a G. There are more recent cemetery books, but I don't have a copy that covers this cemetery. Now this is interesting - I have copies of cemetery inscriptions made by my great aunt of most of the cemeteries in Johnson Co. IL in the 1970's. She has a list of names for a CONCORD CEMETERY in Elvira Township on the Johnson and Union Co. line and the names are completely different from those in the PARKER book. Even more interesting is her list of cemeteries where she lists a CONCORD cemetery in Vienna, Simpson Township, but I did not find any inscriptions for this location. I am not personally familiar with either cemetery so maybe someone else on the list can shed some light. By the way - H.C. SMART is not listed in this Elvira Concord cemetery either. ------------------------------------------ 1900 Federal Census, Johnson Co. Illinois, Volume 2, David Thacker and SandS Genealogists, pub. 2000. 1990 Johnson Co., Census, Simpson Township, June 18, 1900: Dwelling #191, Family # 197 SMART, HENRY, head, white, male, b. Feb. 1872, age 28, married 2 years, POB TN, father POB NC, mother POB VA, farmer, months unemployed 0, can read,write, spell English, his farm is owned free - no mortgage - farm #181 - acreage and valuation not given. SMART, INDIA, wife, white female, b. Oct. 1876, age 23, married 2 years, mother of 1 child born, 1 child living, POB IL, father POB NC, mother POB IL, can read,write, spell English SMART, WILLIAM, son, white male, b. Oct. 1899, Aage 7 MONTHS, POB IL, father POB TN, mother POB IL This census was taken on June 18, 1900 and by June 27 little WILLIAM had passed away. ---------------------------------------- 1990 Johnson Co., Census, Simpson Township, June 6, 1900: Dwelling #60, Family #63, SMART, NANCY J. , head of household, white female, b. Nov. 1842, age 57, widow, mother of 11 children - 10 living, POB VA, father POB VA, mother POB VA, no occupation given, her farm is owned free - farm # 59 SMART, FLOYD J., son, white male, b. Oct 1873, age 26, son, single, POB, TN, farm laborer, 0 months unemployed SMART, GEORGE, son, white male, b. Apr. 1878, age 21, single, POB TN, farm laborer, " SMART, THOMAS, son, white male, b. Apr. 1881, age 18, single, POB TN, " SMART, MINITOIA, daughter, white female, b. Apr. 1883, age 18, single, POB IL, 6 months in school SMART, TEXAS, daughter, white female, b. Dec. 1886, age 13, single, POB IL, 6 months in school THOMPSON, SUSAN, sister, white female, b. Oct. 1856, age 43, single, POB VA, no occupation all could read, write, spell English MARY L. (SMART) VEACH is listed with her husband FRANCIS VEACH and 3 children in Simpson Township. She was b. Oct. 1870, age 29, married 2 years, 1child born and living, POB. TN. The children were DIMPLE - 9, LEROY 8, CLARENCE - 6. No indication which child is Mary's. Veaches first wife was MARY ANN JOHNSON (m. about 1889) This book gives FRANCIS' middle initial as M. not N. - but that was not in the census record - notes from the author. Now you know that Nancy's husband had died before June 6, 1900. There are no SMARTS listed in the 1880 Johnson Co. census books that I have. There is a HENRY C. SMART in the 1920 census book by the same authors. The census was taken between Jan 6th and 8th 1920 in Simpson Township, Johnson Co. IL. There is less information in 1920: SMART, HENRY C., head, age 46, TN, VA, VA farmer, general farm SMART, NANNIE J., wife, age 35, IL, VA, TN SMART, NANNIE, daughter, age 14, single, IL, TN, IL THOMAS, MATTIE, stepdau, age 10, IL, AR, IL THOMAS, KATE, step, age 8, " THOMAS COY, stepdau, age 7, " THOMAS JOHN A., step, age 6, CLINE, MARTHA, mother-in-law, age 72, widow, TN,TN, TN If this is the right HENRY C. SMART maybe he is buried with the THOMAS or CLINE families. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Hines, Sr. To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Looking for info on SMART surname -- related to Veach, Sharp, Bateman and Waters I believe that H.C. Smart and India are buried in the Concord Cemetery in Johnson County, I have a tape of most of the tombstones there and maybe I can scan it and see if they are there! John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Cline" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:46 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Looking for info on SMART surname -- related to Veach, > Sharp, Bateman and Waters > > > > Looking for information on David Richard Smart (also known as D.R. Smart). > > > > He was my gg grandfather. > > > > He was born in Virginia in 1831, served in Company B of the 51st Va. > > infantry in the Civil. He married Nancy Jane Thompson in 1864. They ended > > up in Southern Ill. > > > > They had the following children: > > > > John William Smart > > James Wiley Smart > > Mary Lee Smart who married Frances N. Veach in Johnson Co. 7/09/1898 > > Henry Clayborn Smart who married India Sharp in Johnson Co. 10/02/1898 > > Floyd J. Smart > > Dallas Marion Smart > > David Tildon Smart > > George Huston Smart > > Thomas Edward Smart who married Nellie Bergen Grant in Vienna Ill. > 8/20/1890 > > Mentoria Elizabeth Smart who married Joseph Walter Bateman in simpson > > Illinois 3/19/1911 > > Aliminta Texas Smart who married Henry Waters in southern Ill. > > > > We know that the family was in Johnson county in 1900 but that David > Richard > > had killed himself by then. We believe that he died in 1890 or 91. > > > > We are trying to find information on his parents and siblings if any. Any > > information would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sue Cline ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== Do not send Virus warnings to this list. 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My great-grandmother, Mary Leona Perkins, married Will Veach and they moved around the country, including a homestead in Montana. Will and his brother, J. D. went bear hunting in Colorado and helped to establish the turkey farming industry in that state. Imagine my surprise in finding Veach families in southern Illinois. Now Will was only my step-great-grandfather and no blood relation, but my grandmother knew him only as her dad. I have a few Veach pictures - including one of Ankah Mellet. I know that the relationship is distant, but there is VEACH information in a book at the library in Vienna. You may contact the librarian there if you need more information. Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski

PARKER'S HISTORY OF JOHNSON COUNTY, pub. 1977, Rose Parker Bucciferro editor, Concord Cemetery, Section 31, Simpson Township, Johnson Co. Illinois, page 53: "INDIA, wife of H.G. SMART, Nov. 20, 1876 - Mar. 14, 1918. WILLIE H., son of H.G. and INDIA SMART, Oct. 4, 1899 - June 27, 1900." INDIA and WILLIE H. are the only SMART names for Concord Cemetery listed in this book. The book gives the initials as H.G. not H.C. so maybe the person walking the cemetery had difficulty reading the C and took it for a G. There are more recent cemetery books, but I don't have a copy that covers this cemetery. Now this is interesting - I have copies of cemetery inscriptions made by my great aunt of most of the cemeteries in Johnson Co. IL in the 1970's. She has a list of names for a CONCORD CEMETERY in Elvira Township on the Johnson and Union Co. line and the names are completely different from those in the PARKER book. Even more interesting is her list of cemeteries where she lists a CONCORD cemetery in Vienna, Simpson Township, but I did not find any inscriptions for this location. I am not personally familiar with either cemetery so maybe someone else on the list can shed some light. By the way - H.C. SMART is not listed in this Elvira Concord cemetery either. ------------------------------------------ 1900 Federal Census, Johnson Co. Illinois, Volume 2, David Thacker and SandS Genealogists, pub. 2000. 1990 Johnson Co., Census, Simpson Township, June 18, 1900: Dwelling #191, Family # 197 SMART, HENRY, head, white, male, b. Feb. 1872, age 28, married 2 years, POB TN, father POB NC, mother POB VA, farmer, months unemployed 0, can read,write, spell English, his farm is owned free - no mortgage - farm #181 - acreage and valuation not given. SMART, INDIA, wife, white female, b. Oct. 1876, age 23, married 2 years, mother of 1 child born, 1 child living, POB IL, father POB NC, mother POB IL, can read,write, spell English SMART, WILLIAM, son, white male, b. Oct. 1899, Aage 7 MONTHS, POB IL, father POB TN, mother POB IL This census was taken on June 18, 1900 and by June 27 little WILLIAM had passed away. ---------------------------------------- 1990 Johnson Co., Census, Simpson Township, June 6, 1900: Dwelling #60, Family #63, SMART, NANCY J. , head of household, white female, b. Nov. 1842, age 57, widow, mother of 11 children - 10 living, POB VA, father POB VA, mother POB VA, no occupation given, her farm is owned free - farm # 59 SMART, FLOYD J., son, white male, b. Oct 1873, age 26, son, single, POB, TN, farm laborer, 0 months unemployed SMART, GEORGE, son, white male, b. Apr. 1878, age 21, single, POB TN, farm laborer, " SMART, THOMAS, son, white male, b. Apr. 1881, age 18, single, POB TN, " SMART, MINITOIA, daughter, white female, b. Apr. 1883, age 18, single, POB IL, 6 months in school SMART, TEXAS, daughter, white female, b. Dec. 1886, age 13, single, POB IL, 6 months in school THOMPSON, SUSAN, sister, white female, b. Oct. 1856, age 43, single, POB VA, no occupation all could read, write, spell English MARY L. (SMART) VEACH is listed with her husband FRANCIS VEACH and 3 children in Simpson Township. She was b. Oct. 1870, age 29, married 2 years, 1child born and living, POB. TN. The children were DIMPLE - 9, LEROY 8, CLARENCE - 6. No indication which child is Mary's. Veaches first wife was MARY ANN JOHNSON (m. about 1889) This book gives FRANCIS' middle initial as M. not N. - but that was not in the census record - notes from the author. Now you know that Nancy's husband had died before June 6, 1900. There are no SMARTS listed in the 1880 Johnson Co. census books that I have. There is a HENRY C. SMART in the 1920 census book by the same authors. The census was taken between Jan 6th and 8th 1920 in Simpson Township, Johnson Co. IL. There is less information in 1920: SMART, HENRY C., head, age 46, TN, VA, VA farmer, general farm SMART, NANNIE J., wife, age 35, IL, VA, TN SMART, NANNIE, daughter, age 14, single, IL, TN, IL THOMAS, MATTIE, stepdau, age 10, IL, AR, IL THOMAS, KATE, step, age 8, " THOMAS COY, stepdau, age 7, " THOMAS JOHN A., step, age 6, CLINE, MARTHA, mother-in-law, age 72, widow, TN,TN, TN If this is the right HENRY C. SMART maybe he is buried with the THOMAS or CLINE families. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Hines, Sr. To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Looking for info on SMART surname -- related to Veach, Sharp, Bateman and Waters I believe that H.C. Smart and India are buried in the Concord Cemetery in Johnson County, I have a tape of most of the tombstones there and maybe I can scan it and see if they are there! John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Cline" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:46 PM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Looking for info on SMART surname -- related to Veach, > Sharp, Bateman and Waters > > > > Looking for information on David Richard Smart (also known as D.R. Smart). > > > > He was my gg grandfather. > > > > He was born in Virginia in 1831, served in Company B of the 51st Va. > > infantry in the Civil. He married Nancy Jane Thompson in 1864. They ended > > up in Southern Ill. > > > > They had the following children: > > > > John William Smart > > James Wiley Smart > > Mary Lee Smart who married Frances N. Veach in Johnson Co. 7/09/1898 > > Henry Clayborn Smart who married India Sharp in Johnson Co. 10/02/1898 > > Floyd J. Smart > > Dallas Marion Smart > > David Tildon Smart > > George Huston Smart > > Thomas Edward Smart who married Nellie Bergen Grant in Vienna Ill. > 8/20/1890 > > Mentoria Elizabeth Smart who married Joseph Walter Bateman in simpson > > Illinois 3/19/1911 > > Aliminta Texas Smart who married Henry Waters in southern Ill. > > > > We know that the family was in Johnson county in 1900 but that David > Richard > > had killed himself by then. We believe that he died in 1890 or 91. > > > > We are trying to find information on his parents and siblings if any. Any > > information would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sue Cline