I have a death cert for Cora Escue who is the daughter of William Marshall Escue and Josephine Ramay/Ramey. I also have an obit for Fred Escue. Let me know if you are interested. I am related to the escues through the Ramay/Ramey family. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] vienna times > Brenda- You don't happen to have any obits on Colemans or Escues, do you? :) > The only place I have found info on the newspaper is on microfilm, which > you can order from your local library on interlibrary loan from SIU or IL > University. There is a bit set of books they have that lists all the various > newspapers, where they're located, and which films they hold. I've read a ton of > them. > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > >

I well check!!! Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] vienna times > Brenda- You don't happen to have any obits on Colemans or Escues, do you? :) > The only place I have found info on the newspaper is on microfilm, which > you can order from your local library on interlibrary loan from SIU or IL > University. There is a bit set of books they have that lists all the various > newspapers, where they're located, and which films they hold. I've read a ton of > them. > > Joyce Escue Culver > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

Brenda- You don't happen to have any obits on Colemans or Escues, do you? :) The only place I have found info on the newspaper is on microfilm, which you can order from your local library on interlibrary loan from SIU or IL University. There is a bit set of books they have that lists all the various newspapers, where they're located, and which films they hold. I've read a ton of them. Joyce Escue Culver

I don't think Vienna time is online, I have alot of obit of people who lived there, who are you looking for? Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Hudgens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] vienna times > does anyone have an address where you can get old obits from the vienna times? are they online? > Lisa > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

does anyone have an address where you can get old obits from the vienna times? are they online? Lisa

This is my first time on the list. Can anyone help me locate a Catholic cemetery that existed in Johnson County as early as the 1860's. I have an ancestor, Dennis McGovern, that might have been buried there. Thanks very much, Don McGovern

In a message dated 9/29/2004 5:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know if the St. Francis de Salle cemetery in New Burnsides has been surveyed and names listed? YES IT IS LISTED. I HAVE SEEN A COPY BUT DO NOT HAVE ONE. Is the Vienna library open on Saturday? SORRY, NO. Bill

Yes, the cemetery is listed in the New Burnside Cemetery book.... I don't know about the library. I'll look for names for you. Louise

Does anyone know if the St. Francis de Salle cemetery in New Burnsides has been surveyed and names listed? Is the Vienna library open on Saturday? Thank you for your help. Joan

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 1 August 2004/26 September 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #29 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, My Octogenarian Father nearly out lived that distinction. He was asked one time by a person who observed that his birthday was the thirtieth of November, “ ... what year?” His answer: “Every year!” Recently I was interviewed by a reporter from my Alumni Association’s Newsletter. During and as a result of that interview, the reporter and I discussed the concept of animate and inanimate objects being alive vs having spirit. In the mythology of Native American Culture that I’ve been privileged to hear and read, it is believed that the Spirit of the Maker is not given to humans alone, but rather the whole created universe shares in the immortal perfection of the Maker. This included inanimate elements, such as rocks, and the majestic forces of nature, such as wind, water, fire, lightning, etc. .......... Wham .... Bang ..... and at the above moment, the SPIRIT of Lightning struck near my computer and it [the computer] decided to leave this world for more favorable territory ... “south”. Though I am not sure at this time that those who live in the south are appreciative. The new date of today is: 26 September 2004, seven weeks since the great “blow”. So, it has been a while between articles, while I rebuilt a computer, salvage what data I ccould from the old hard-drive, travel, celebrate life with family, and prepare to retire for the [?]th time, ... thus, getting back to the writing I do enjoy. It is always my pleasure to read and I cram as much of it in as I can. My Parents were readers. So were my Grandparents. And, so were my Aunts. Due to our reading habits, our children and grandchildren are also “readers.” One of our granddaughters can write a report on “Star Wars” without going to a library [except her own]. One of my Father’s High School Teachers was a family friend and she did travel a lot. She never failed to bring back at least one book for me. All this was not dependent upon our economic status or the quality of the education in the school districts I attended ... my family saw to it that I had reading material. My Parents, Grandmothers, and several of my Aunts read to me daily before I entered school and though I had difficulty in learning to read, I never developed a dislike of it. During my recent absence, I read James Mooney’s “Myths of the Cherokee” and a couple of related others. This morning, while enjoying my first cup of coffee, I read the Sunday paper. Several things when put together evoked sadness and raucous laughter. The first was a picture of an Iraqi Father carrying his wounded child ... this evoked the thought of how tired I am of seeing such pictures. The laugh that followed, however, came spontaneously when I then read the political cartoon by Rogers of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, in today’s paper. It was our President asking Mr Putin where he got some of his ideas about stripping rights from citizens. Mr Putin, with a light bulb over his head, is holding a copy of the USA Patriot Act. Further into today’s newspaper was an article about a new wave of books on the subject of etiquette. Well, I have suffered “road rage” and even “web rage”. A “gentleman” gave out more than his opinion of my driving because I stopped for a red light and he apparently didn’t want this. Some folks in writing e-mails are as rude as I ever experienced. My Folks taught me courtesy and respect. I “yes, sired” and “Yes, Mam’d” all adults. Children did not use the Christian names of adults ... it was always “Mr” or “Mrs”, and sometimes “Miss”. If I forgot, my ears became red as beets, but not from embarrassment. <BG> Not so long ago, ediquette books were ridiculed as relics ... antiques. There has been a grand informality which has increased to the point where rudeness became the new norm and was to be overlooked. People wear shorts to cocktail parties, denims to Church, spam their friends with e-mail [pass-it-ons]. They gossip about their friends in chat rooms and use the foulest of language in all walks of their lives. Well, what goes ‘round, comes ‘round, I guess. One might think that some folks are becoming a bit tired of this behavior. Emily Post is no longer lonely on the Bookstore and Library shelves. Her book, now updated by a great granddaughter is in its 16th edition. There are possibly more than 100 titles keeping her book company on shelves, all published within the last five years. There is “Mr Social Grace”, “Doyenne of Decorum”, “The Fabulous Girls”, and even “The Edequette Girls” on their shelves. E-mail correspondence has evolved without any greetings or salutations, and absolutely no signature; and, few, if any thank you’s. Our technology has evolved so rapidly, and so has our desire for guides in how to respond to various situations. So, along with matching our fast paced living we have also made fast paced changes in our dealings with people, some for the better and some for the worse. Well, these books are telling folks how they should act, and inject a bit of common coutesy and “decent” dress into their lives. For me, I like to visit Kentucky ... there I’m always “Sir’d” and Barb is always “Mam’d”. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

It's wonderful to have you back, Bill. Thanks for persisting. Happily, Harlene Soper Brown Washington State ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Little Egypt Heritage, 26 September 2004, Vol 3 #29 > Little Egypt Heritage Articles > Stories of Southern Illinois > (c) Bill Oliver > > 1 August 2004/26 September 2004 > Vol 3 Issue: #29 > ISBN: pending > > Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, > > My Octogenarian Father nearly out lived that distinction. He was asked > one time by a person who observed that his birthday was the thirtieth of > November, “ ... what year?” His answer: “Every year!” > > Recently I was interviewed by a reporter from my Alumni Association’s > Newsletter. During and as a result of that interview, the reporter and I > discussed the concept of animate and inanimate objects being alive vs > having spirit. In the mythology of Native American Culture that I’ve > been privileged to hear and read, it is believed that the Spirit of the > Maker is not given to humans alone, but rather the whole created > universe shares in the immortal perfection of the Maker. This included > inanimate elements, such as rocks, and the majestic forces of nature, > such as wind, water, fire, lightning, etc. .......... > > Wham .... Bang ..... and at the above moment, the SPIRIT of Lightning > struck near my computer and it [the computer] decided to leave this > world for more favorable territory ... “south”. Though I am not sure at > this time that those who live in the south are appreciative. > > The new date of today is: 26 September 2004, seven weeks since the great > “blow”. So, it has been a while between articles, while I rebuilt a > computer, salvage what data I ccould from the old hard-drive, travel, > celebrate life with family, and prepare to retire for the [?]th time, > .. thus, getting back to the writing I do enjoy. > > It is always my pleasure to read and I cram as much of it in as I can. > My Parents were readers. So were my Grandparents. And, so were my Aunts. > Due to our reading habits, our children and grandchildren are also > “readers.” One of our granddaughters can write a report on “Star Wars” > without going to a library [except her own]. > > One of my Father’s High School Teachers was a family friend and she did > travel a lot. She never failed to bring back at least one book for me. > All this was not dependent upon our economic status or the quality of > the education in the school districts I attended ... my family saw to it > that I had reading material. > > My Parents, Grandmothers, and several of my Aunts read to me daily > before I entered school and though I had difficulty in learning to read, > I never developed a dislike of it. During my recent absence, I read > James Mooney’s “Myths of the Cherokee” and a couple of related others. > This morning, while enjoying my first cup of coffee, I read the Sunday > paper. Several things when put together evoked sadness and raucous > laughter. > > The first was a picture of an Iraqi Father carrying his wounded child > .. this evoked the thought of how tired I am of seeing such pictures. > The laugh that followed, however, came spontaneously when I then read > the political cartoon by Rogers of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, in > today’s paper. It was our President asking Mr Putin where he got some of > his ideas about stripping rights from citizens. Mr Putin, with a light > bulb over his head, is holding a copy of the USA Patriot Act. > > Further into today’s newspaper was an article about a new wave of books > on the subject of etiquette. Well, I have suffered “road rage” and even > “web rage”. A “gentleman” gave out more than his opinion of my driving > because I stopped for a red light and he apparently didn’t want this. > Some folks in writing e-mails are as rude as I ever experienced. My > Folks taught me courtesy and respect. I “yes, sired” and “Yes, Mam’d” > all adults. Children did not use the Christian names of adults ... it > was always “Mr” or “Mrs”, and sometimes “Miss”. If I forgot, my ears > became red as beets, but not from embarrassment. <BG> > > Not so long ago, ediquette books were ridiculed as relics ... antiques. > There has been a grand informality which has increased to the point > where rudeness became the new norm and was to be overlooked. People wear > shorts to cocktail parties, denims to Church, spam their friends with > e-mail [pass-it-ons]. They gossip about their friends in chat rooms and > use the foulest of language in all walks of their lives. > > Well, what goes ‘round, comes ‘round, I guess. One might think that some > folks are becoming a bit tired of this behavior. Emily Post is no longer > lonely on the Bookstore and Library shelves. Her book, now updated by a > great granddaughter is in its 16th edition. There are possibly more than > 100 titles keeping her book company on shelves, all published within the > last five years. There is “Mr Social Grace”, “Doyenne of Decorum”, “The > Fabulous Girls”, and even “The Edequette Girls” on their shelves. > > E-mail correspondence has evolved without any greetings or salutations, > and absolutely no signature; and, few, if any thank you’s. Our > technology has evolved so rapidly, and so has our desire for guides in > how to respond to various situations. > > So, along with matching our fast paced living we have also made fast > paced changes in our dealings with people, some for the better and some > for the worse. Well, these books are telling folks how they should act, > and inject a bit of common coutesy and “decent” dress into their lives. > For me, I like to visit Kentucky ... there I’m always “Sir’d” and Barb > is always “Mam’d”. > > e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk > in peace and harmony) > > Wado, > > > Bill > -=- > > PostScript: > > = = = = > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ >

My Dad had a cousin with the last name of Vaughn. I think he and his wife worked in a mental hospital and lived in Marion. Do you know what connection the Vaughns have to Gingrich, Smoot or Yandell families? Cordially, Floyd E. Gingrich On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:40:06 EDT [email protected] writes: > In a message dated 9/23/2004 6:31:00 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > I was reading the message boards the other day and am under the > impression > that holt cemetery was destroyed. i was wondering what happened to > the people > and the headstones that were there. > Lisa Hudgens > Lisa: > I visited Holt Cemetery about 5 years ago, and although it was not > in great > shape, most of it was mowed and the stones were standing. Many of > my Vaughn > family are buried there. It is on private land just outside Vienna. > Don't > remember now exactly where it was, but at that time, the land was > still owned, I > believe, by a Vaughn. > Marvin Minton

In a message dated 9/23/2004 6:31:00 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was reading the message boards the other day and am under the impression that holt cemetery was destroyed. i was wondering what happened to the people and the headstones that were there. Lisa Hudgens Lisa: I visited Holt Cemetery about 5 years ago, and although it was not in great shape, most of it was mowed and the stones were standing. Many of my Vaughn family are buried there. It is on private land just outside Vienna. Don't remember now exactly where it was, but at that time, the land was still owned, I believe, by a Vaughn. Marvin Minton

I was reading the message boards the other day and am under the impression that holt cemetery was destroyed. i was wondering what happened to the people and the headstones that were there. Lisa Hudgens

Lisa, I did receive some of them thru email, but if its better to snail mail then thats ok. My address is: Donna Payo 8207 Cooper Rd Kenosha, WI. 53142 let me know how much this will cost you to send this way & I'll reimburse you the cost of copies & postage. Thanx Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Hudgens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Burris/Lundy Porter/Parks I am having trouble with sending out the obits for these families. If you send me your address i will snail mail them to you. Lisa ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/

I am having trouble with sending out the obits for these families. If you send me your address i will snail mail them to you. Lisa

Freeman L Googe and Harold W Baltz Anyone related to the above? I have a very old newspaper clipping that one of my ancestors saved - probably from a Johnson or Pope Co paper. It's under a heading "Two gave lives, one missing." The man missing is Arthur Schroeder but his picture is not all there. The clipping refers to killed in France and Germany, so I wonder if this is WWI. I would be glad to send a copy to anyone who is interested.

sorry it has taken me so long to get this project going. Is there a way that i can attach the docs to the johnson county list or the board? Let me know. I am going to start scanning the obits that you wanted. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Payo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Surnames: LUNDY/BURRIS and PORTER/PARKS > Lisa; > Yes thanks would love to see the obits that you have > Donna Payo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Hudgens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJOHNSO] Surnames: LUNDY/BURRIS and PORTER/PARKS > > > i have obits for the following Burris families. > Albert, Cleon Grant, Frank J., Lena, martha E., Melvin, Oscar E., Pamelia, > and Steven Burris. > Anna and Richard N. Porter > Gladys, Gladys Watkins Parks and Minnie Parks > let me know if you are interested. > Lisa Hudgens > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Payo" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:20 AM > Subject: [ILJOHNSO] Surnames: LUNDY/BURRIS and PORTER/PARKS > > > > Hello List: > > Looking for info on these Surnames: PORTER/PARKS and LUNDY/BURRIS. > > I've seen on previous messages that others were also looking for the same > > people and would like very much to talk with them. The Porters/Parks in > > praticular are Lawrence Porter wife Elizabeth Parks, have some info that I > > would like to share and compare with others. They were my > gggggrandparents. > > Also for the Lundy/Burris, Julia Lundy Burris was my gggrandmother. Have > > some info and would like to share and compare. > > Thanks well in advance. > > Donna > > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Official Johnson Co IL ILGenWeb Site! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljohnso/ > > > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] > > > ==== ILJOHNSO Mailing List ==== > Do not send Virus warnings to this list. > "Problems with Johnson Co IL Mail List email Tim Casey" > [email protected] >

I have requested that the message board to be gatewayed to the mail list. What this means is when a message is posted on the message board (Ancestry.com board) that message will be sent to the mail list. The person who made the query to the message board is probably not a subscriber to the mail list , if you reply it will be to the message board link in the email. The reply will then be sent to the mail list from the message board. This only applies to the message board emails to the list. I do not know when it will start I would say sometime next 5 days. The mail list will work as always if you are a subscriber, you need to do nothing different than you have done in the past. I wanted you all to know what I had done. I hope this will just be another tool for your research and to help others when you can. If any questions do not email the MAIL LIST email me at [email protected] Any problems or suggestions please do so. Happy researching. Tim Casey Johnson Co IL Shelby Co IL Union Co IL

Donna I have connections to the Lundy line.... I descend from Missouri Anna Lundy, older sister of Julia. Any information on this family or information of Julia's family would be very much appreciated. If you want to write to my email address about the Lundy's it is [email protected] Cheri