This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Jg.2ADI/1050.1 Message Board Post: Your John Clingman was born in York County PA in 1789. He was the son of Jacob Clingman who was also born in PA around 1750. Jacob was the son or grandson of either Hans (Johannes) or Yorich (probably George, given family history) who arrived from Germany on the ship "Samuel" in 1732, from the Palatine area of Germany (roughly southern Bavaria) I have been unable to find the link to tell me which of the two led to Jacob. Anyway, Jacob married Catherine Holtzapfel about 1774 and they moved to what is now Greenbriar County, W Va, near the Lewisburg area, in 1797. They had the following children: Susan b. 1774, Jacob b. 1775, Eve b. 1787, John (your ancestor) b. 1789, Adam b. 1797, and George (I have no birthdate but think he's in the earlier group of children). Jacob married Margaret Hess, Susan married Christopher Toothman, and George married Polly Toothman. Jacob stayed in Virginia/West Virginia, I have not traced Susan after her marriage (women being almost impossible! , even when they're married), and George I have been unable to trace.John, Adam, and Eve moved to Ohio and settled around Amanda/Chillicothe, John later moving to Montgomery County. (There used to be a Clingman Street on the North-West corner of Dayton so I assume that was once the family farm) Eve married John Hess while still in Greenbriar County, Adam married Anna Miller, and John married Elizabeth Shank (1817), and later married Letitia Shank (1844). I am decended from John's son Jacob's son Dewees. His wife's maiden name was Koogler (not Koogles) and she lived in the little house next to the cemetary in Fairborn Ohio when I was a child. On Jacob's children I have the following: Margaret b. 1850, Susan b. 1851, James b. 1853, John b. 1855, Frank b. 1857, Rolla (Roland ?) b. 1859 and married to Anna B. Haas April 20, 1882, Adam b. 1864, David b. 1861, Dewees b. 1866, and Henry (Harvey ?) b. 1869 A lot of the other Clingmans you see on the web are tracing from an ancestor who supposedly arrived a little later than 1732, and I wish I remembered exactly when, but I have seen a copy of the ship's manifest, not just the list which was also published, and the name is definitely not Clingman. I believe the list which was printed later had a few typos. Those other Clingmans may well be related to our Clingmans, especially as the families were very large and they have many of the same "given" names, but unless I knew which ancestor was really theirs I wouldn't hazard a guess. Anyway "cousin" I hope this helps you ! Happy searching !