This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: hose Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Ig.2ADI/791 Message Board Post: going back to the late 40's to mid 50's any information on heine and bessie hose,heine was a commercial fisherman ,he and his wife lived on a house boat on the mississippi and illinois rivers . heine died between 1954 to 1956, age 61 to 63 believed to be in the area called little wood river. bessie passed away in the 1970's

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Shaw, Clifford, Williams, Clifford, Besaw, Schutz Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Ig.2ADI/745.1 Message Board Post: Karen, Looks as if i am a decendant of that family through Ahirah to John to Addie to chapmans to shaws and myself what are u wanting to know.

Looking for Hank/Henry Kleffner ca 1840s no exact date..any help would be appreciated...possibly born in Germany. Parents could be Carl and Elizabeth Kleffner. Thanks Renee Kleffner

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Ig.2ADI/296.370.524.1.1 Message Board Post: I need to know how they are related to my Callahans. My grandfather was James Joseph Callahan who died in 1963, buried in Dover Plains. I have seen Michael Callahan and Kennedy burial in New York also. Email me at [email protected]

Hi Listers, Once again I "need" to post my "MYSTERY GRANNY" ELIZABETH J. WINCHESTER - lived in Jersey Co. from 1860 - 1905. Her children were- John ANDREWS/ANDROUS m. Alice Murphy William ANDREWS/ANDROUS m. Caroline Franz Joel, Jr. ANDREWS/ANDROUS m. Jane Cummings Electa ANDREWS/ANDROUS m. Grant Tucker, Carry Crocker Elizabeth says (on census info) that she was born in MO. and her parents were born in NC. Her children say (on death info and marriage info) Elizabeth was born in Calhoun Co. IL. ALSO Is there anyone who would have relatives coming from St. Clair/Macomb COs. Michigan 1840-50? My GGgrandfather was a RIVERMAN, who came from that area, before he married Elizabeth. Is there anyone out there who would have a connection to my GGgrandmother/or her family? Thanks for ANY help or guidance. Dolores ANDREWS

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Ig.2ADI/230.231.1 Message Board Post: Hi! I am looking for Wrights from New Jersey too! I am looking for Harry Wright, who had a daughter Gladys wright. She was my grandmother. If this sounds familar I'd like to know. Happy Hunting! Kathy

This message was sent to me. Please reply to sender if you have information. Judy ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: [email protected] Date sent: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:15:37 EST Subject: Grace LEHR Drum To: [email protected] Looking for any infomation on who married Grace LEHR Drum. It was someone related to the Eli Drum family of Cerro Gordo, IL in 1856. The marriage probably took place after 1900. Grace Lehr Drum was living with Webb Drum, his wife Gayle Drum and Mary Stuart Drum in the 1927 Los Angles city directory. Looking for any info on Drum families. At a brick wall. Sandy in VA. ------- End of forwarded message -------

Can someone please find GILLTHRAPP/GILLTRAP/GILLSTRAP Laurence age abt. 30 IRE. He would have wife Mary abt. 35 IRE, children Mary age 3 IA, & George age 1 IL. An obit I found states born in Jerseyville. Thanks. Geraldine in MO

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gibbons, Walsh, Toomey, Kleins, Quinlan O'Malley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Ig.2ADI/790 Message Board Post: While researching the baptismal record of my Grandmother, Sarah Ann Gibbons [later Quinlan] of April 7, 1867 at Saint Peter and Paul Church in Alton, Illinois, I learned that the family was living in Brighton, Illinois during the 1860's. Am trying to connect the listed baptismal sponsors to the family. David Toomey and Julia Gibbons were listed as sponsors. Sarah's parents were Anna O'Malley Gibbons [1834, County Mayo, Ireland-1924, Audrain County, Missouri] and Patrick Gibbons [1831, South Carolina-1891, Audrain County, Missouri]. Her grandparents were Doctor William O'Malley and Mary Walsh O'Malley from County Mayo. Sarah's older brother, Thomas's baptismal sponsor on November 4, 1860, at the same church was Brigetta Kleins. Also trying to connect her to the same family.

Would love to hear from anyone that might be researching the Elliott line. Louis Elliott born 1805 in VA died 29 Sept 1865 in Kemper, IL. (Jersey County) Married Elizabeth Rhodes His Son, David Elliott born 20 Nov. 1831 Married 18543 in Jersey Co. to Nancy Reddish Died 1912 Thanks, Sue

Jemima (maiden name unknown) HUGHES was born 1810 in KY. She married Unknown HUGHES likely between 1830 and 1833. They produced four known children: Stewart HUGHES, b. about 1834 in IL William M. HUGHES, b. about 1836 in IL John Robert HUGHES, b. about 1838 in IL Lucinda A. HUGHES, b. 1 April 1841 in IL By 1847 Jemima and the children were living in Lamar Co., TX, but no male head of household was present. On 20 October 1861 after the children had left home, Jemima married George G. Keyes in Lamar Co., TX. Stewart disappears after the 1850 census. John Robert enlisted for Confederate service and died 15 June 1864 at a Union prison camp (Camp Morton) in Indianapolis, IN. Lucinda married William H. Burrous in 1859 in Lamar County; she died 7 February 1870 leaving her husband and two young sons. She was buried in Lamar County. William M. married and lived until about 1878; he left his wife Lucinda and four young sons. Jemima died in 1884 and was buried in Lamar County. In life Jemima had connections to Lucinda HUGHS Martin and John W. HUGHS. Both Lucinda and John had Jersey County connections, and John has been linked to Macoupin Co. as well. Did Jemima and her family live in one of these counties? Because the 1840 census lists only head of household, I have been unable to locate Jemima's family. Any suggestions--any help will be welcomed. Lorene Hughes Vanzant [email protected]

The following are listed on the census for Jersey Co., IL in 1850 in the household of Joseph Hawkins: *Joseph Hawkins 54 Farmer b. TN *Sarah Hawkins 26 b. IL *Matthew B. Hawkins 21 Farmer b. IL *John E. Hawkins 17 Farmer b. IL *Emiline Hawkins 1 b. IL *John Hughes 26 Farmer b. IL *Sarah Hughes 19 b. IL In 1860 John W. Hughes and Sarah Hughes are listed on the census for Lamar Co., TX along with sons Perry/Terry Hughes 7 b. IL; Josiah Hughes 4 b. IL Fannie J. Hughes 3 months b. TX; Emiline Hawkins, age 11 b. IL. According to this census, the John W. Hughes family is living next door to the following: *Jemima Hughes 50 b. KY *Robert Hughes 21 Farmer b. IL In the next house the following family is enumerated: *Vincent Martin 48 M MO *Lucinda (Hughs) Martin 37 F IL *Sarah E. Martin 17 F IL *Wm. F. Martin 14 M IL *Julia A. Martin 12 F TX *Zachariah Martin 10 M TX * John M.Martin 8 M TX * Mary J. Martin 6 F TX *Geo. W. B. Martin 4 M TX *Rhoda Martin 2 F TX We know that Lucinda Hughs Martin is the daughter of Zachariah/Zachary Hughs and Sarah Bain Hughes of Jersey County. Does anyone know how Jemima (maiden name unknown) Hughes and John W. Hughes connect to this family? Names of members of the three families are found on various probate documents as executors for each other's estates, but no relationship is listed. We know that Sarah Caroline Hawkins married John W. Hughs in Jersey County. We know that all the Illinois-born children of John W. Hughs were born in Macoupin County and that most of this family is buried there. However, there is a definite link to Jersey County. I would appreciate any information about Jemima, John W., Lucinda, and Zachariah Hughs/Hughes and their families. Information about other Jersey County HUGHES families will also be welcomed. Thanks. Lorene Hughes Vanzant

In a message dated 1/20/2002 9:13:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Interestingly enough there are No Hawkins names listed in the Pruitt/Hawkins > Cemetery in the book I have. The book is Abandoned Cemeteries of Jersey > County, Illinois by Elaine Witt. Thanks much for your reply. I appreciate the help. I am trying to locate the burial place of Joseph Hawkins. Lorene V.

In a message dated 1/20/02 4:21:52 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Interestingly enough there are No Hawkins names listed in the Pruitt/Hawkins Cemetery in the book I have. The book is Abandoned Cemeteries of Jersey County, Illinois by Elaine Witt. TOM SAXTON

IMPORTANT It is time to discontinue the discussion of "copyright" on the ILJERSEY-L list. So, no more messages regarding this should be sent to the list. For those who wish to continue discussion "copyright" issues, please join the following list which has been created for this subject: [email protected] Thank you for your cooperation. Karima INJERSEY-L List Administrator

Sarah, Thank you for your concern in regard to Mr. Crull. I will take your information under advisement and will consider your evaluation of the situation at a more convenient time, however, I like Mr. Crull just the way he is.....He has been a great service to the Jersey County Historical Society and to the Jersey County Rootsweb Site. I take no offense to his warning.....I use his information freely, and gratefully. I am not a member of the various research groups for profit, but for contentment, and gratification. Mr. Crull earned his right to his declaration, because he acquired his information and documentation the hard way......by his own hard work and with the aid of his family members. Sarah, one does not have to be a professional to accept criticism, however criticism should be administered by a professional. Thank you Sarah for your time. Dolores Andrews

I fully agree with Ms. Andrews. I can not count the times that Marty has helped me. He spends numerous hours (volunteer) to provide information and to preserve the information regarding people and places in Jersey County. I was fully dismayed to see that he was not honored at the recent meeting. I do agree wholeheartedly that the men that did receive the honors deserved them. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Marty, Bob, and all who spend the numerous hours at the society. Thanks for your time! Julie

I agree as well, but I do not believe after one spend hours or going thru the records and pencil copy and then typing them and placing them out for everyone to share that another person has the right to right click and copy and paste and claim it as their work under the copyright laws. Sorry, but I will never agree with that point. Thanks for your comments. I will always accept well intended words whether agreeable or not. But this person does not know me and has no business as to "advising me." Thanks Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbi Geer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [ILJersey] Historical Society and Copyright Law IMPORTANT > Sorry, Marty, but in that I do appreciate the site and > what you personally have for it and the Society, I > have to agree with Sara about the copyright issue at > hand. > > I worked in an educational institution's printing > operations for 23 years and part of that time was > responsible for adherence to the copyright law. I > attended many conferences and the copyright law was > always a hot issue. As a result some of the top > lawyers and experts in the copyright law field were on > hand to discuss and answer our questions. > > Any information on a website which is considered to be > in the public domain is not under the copyright law. > This information is those records which are more than > 72 years of age. Some of the information on the JCHS > site may have copyright protection, such as design. > However, information on the site which can be obtained > by any individual by writing the respective > institution holding them or in person at the said > institution is not protected by copyright. If they > were then these records would not be readily available > to individuals upon request. > > There are some records which fall under the Sonny Bono > Copyright Law which increased the number of years an > item is protected by copyright and in some cases > provided the copyright holder has applied for the > allowed-by-law extension period. > > > Debbi > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > ==== ILJERSEY Mailing List ==== > If you need assistance, please contact: > Karima, List Administrator mailto:[email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

In a message dated 1/19/2002 6:46:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > All above buried in Pruitt/ Hawkins Prairie Cemetery Sec 31, Ruyle twp. > Jersey County, Illinois Can anyone on the list tell me whether Joseph Hawkins is buried in Pruitt/Hawkins Prairie Cemetery too? Thanks. Lorene Hughes Vanzant

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Ig.2ADI/789 Message Board Post: IF you are researching via the Historical Society website, I must warn you about Marty Crull. On his site he claimed to possess copyright over all material on the site including items in the public domain. He believes that since he has researched the information, he then owns it and no one can use it for publication. Marty Crull is WRONG: He does NOT have ownership over census data, birth dates, public cemetery records etc. These are in the public domain. In fact, since Marty Crull is working FOR an organization, copyright belongs to his employers. When I wrote an email to Mr. Crull addressing these issues, he wrote back "Bite Me." and then has since sent two other letters telling me to BUTT OUT, that I have no right to contact him, that I have upset him. He also made some other rather rude and unprofessional remarks about my character. He seems to have my letter to other members of the historical society. One of these people wrote to me and indicated that I would have "trouble" over this incident. Mr. Crull, in my opinion, should not be working with the public. He cannot handle basic criticism. If any of you are members of the historical society, I urge you to address this issue with the Board. For those of you thinking of joining the Historical Society, I urge you to reconsider and let them know why you won't be joining. As someone who has been doing genealogy for 18 years, I am simply disgusted by the response of Marty Crull, his attitude towards copyright, the public, and other genealogists. I will be glad to send you copies of the letters if you request. Sara Kepich