Welcome to the world of surname variations. The JCI branch seem to stick with Durden or Dirden. Mostly Durden. Others branches used Darden and Dirden. Yes Lucretia mother is Mary Magdalen Leach, I guess dau of William & Mary Delilah Ellis Leach Karen's step ancestor. Yes, that is them in 1850 hickman co Tn, probable two others beside Wm , James and Alfred as related maybe brothers or 1st cousins. No one seems to have evidence to support any relationship. Wm & James went to MO/AR some of James's descendant back and forth >From MO to Carbondale ,IL Area. James has descendants with the name Henry Holland, and Karen my wife a descendant of Henry Hollen Durden d 1896 JCI of JCI family finder matched with a descendant of Alfred but unable to tell if it's on the darden/Dirden line or other names. Ellender & James death certificates give their mothers names as Watkins, Thus Mary Watkins the mother of Ellender,Lucy, James and Jacob latter being Karen's and are related to the Watkins of Mecklenburg County,VA.. (John, Joseph) This tree seems to have the most documentation on Watkins. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/33104276/family/pedigree Lonnie fink Lonfink@comcast.net > On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:00 AM, iljeffer-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:32:02 -0700 > From: Sandy Bauer <sandy@whalen-family.org> > Subject: Re: [ILJEFFER] Edith M Levall Bailey 1899 1974 > To: Sheldon Jones <srjones@pcisys.net>, iljeffer@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <53FFF432.5070902@whalen-family.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can't seem to decide how to spell the name from 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. > > I think this might be him and first wife and 1st child in 1850 census too: > > 1850 census Hickman Co, TN - > > Henry H. Durden 28 M Laborer TN > Mary W. 25 F TN > Eleader E. 5 F TN > Lucy A. 3 F TN > > (living next to him is William Darden age 23 and wife Mary and daughters > Rachel C. age 2 and Abitha age 5/12) > > 1860 census T3SR3E Jefferson Co, IL - 16 Jun 1860 > Post Office: Mt. Vernon > > Henry H. Derden 37 M Farmer TN > Mary 20 F IL > Lucy A. 12 F TN > James 10 M TN > Jacob J. 5 M TN > Jane 1 F IL > > > 1870 census T4R3E Jefferson Co, IL - 9 Jul 1870 > Post Office: Spring Garden > > Henry Derden 48 M W Farmer TN > Mary 38 F W IL > James 20 M W IL > Jacob 15 M W IL > Cyntha 12 F W IL > Lucretia 9 F W IL > William 4 M W IL > > > 1880 census Mt. Vernon, Jefferson Co, IL - 24 Jul 1880 > > Henry H. Durden W M 56 TN TN TN (Wood Sawyer - Severe cold) > Mary M. W F 40 Wife IL AL Don/t know > Cynthia J. W F 21 Dau IL TN IL > Wm. Henry W M 14 Son IL TN IL > Cora E. W F 8 Dau IL TIN IL > Rosa Lynch W F 6 Boarder IL IL Don't know