At 03:00 AM 6/11/2011, you wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:08:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: Matt& Vicki Dlugozimski <longwinter@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: [ILJEFFER] Guthrie-Ishmael >To: ILJEFFER@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <741779.88150.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi, >In 1872 Mrs. Lydia A. Guthrie married Calvin Arpinkney Ishmael in >Jefferson Co. I believe Lydia's maiden name was Gilbert. >I'm looking for any information about them.? I can not find Calvin >in the 1870 census or back any further.? I am at a loss as to know >how to find him or Lydia before 1872. >I do have his parents names from his death certificate, but I can >not find them either.? >Any suggestions would be appreciated. >Thanks, Vicki Vicki, Of course you found him in the 1920 census of San Francisco, CA living with his daughter Rose Taylor ( Ernest) and in 1910 Fresno Co, CA Lydia's age in the census I found 1910 age 50 born 1860 ILL Parents RI RI 1867- 7 years old,, 1872- 12 years old ( clearly age is off in this census) 1900 age 33 born 1866 ILL Parents RI RI 1867 1 year old 1872 6 years old ( clearly age is off in this census) 1880 age 26 born 1854 ILL Parents OH OH 1867 13 years old 1872 18 years old Age varies so much like she is lying about her age each time. ( i have seen this pattern when, the wife is older or much older than her husband's age) Marriages in in 1867 1872 In Jefferson Co, IL 1850 James guthrie born 1827 1860 James Guthrie born 1825 and born 1845 In 18501860 JCI Lydia Gilbert b 1849/50 , dau of Asa & Mary Gilbert b ca 1820 In 1870 JCI Lydia Gilbert b 1849, living with Samuel Hawkins and Mary M. Gilbert Hawkins ( they married in 1864) ( mary was 22 years younger than him) Asa Gilbert Died in 1862 buried Gilbert Cemetery, JCI ( two children ( amanda & Leroy) of Asa & Mary are buried there also) Samuel Hawkins died in 1887 and buried Fitzgerrell Cemetery, Could Lydia Gilbert be the daughter of Asa & Mary DURFY Gilbert? Asa Gilbert Married Mary M. Durfy in 1841 Monroe Co, IL GILBERT, ASA DURFY, MARY M 1841-09-09 2 /44 MONROE Lonnie