Could this help? There is a Mary Ismels, born about 1873, father P. E. G. Ismels and mother Helen M. Frederick.Married 1891 toDavid A. Shelton, born about 1863, father G. W. Shelton and mother S. A. Wilkerson. Mary ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Sandy Bauer <sandy@whalen-family.org> To: iljeffer@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJEFFER] Guthrie-Ishmael Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:22:24 -0700 Vicki I'm assuming these are the two marriages you mentioned. GUTHRIE, JAMES R GILBERT, LYDIA A 1867-05-09 003/ 00000084 JEFFERSON ISHMEL, CALVIN GUTHRIE, LYDIA A 1872-09-08 003/ 00000140 JEFFERSON I agree, I can't find him in earlier census but in addition to seeing Calvin and Lydia in 1880 census, I also see them in the 1900 census living in Fresno, CA with Calvin having an interesting job description of "Pop corn vendor". 1900 census Third Twp, Fresno City, Fresno Co, CA - 6 Jun 1900 213/273 Ishmail, Calvin Head W M Jul 1860 39 M 17 IL Unknown Unknown Lida Wife W F Jul 1866 33 M 17 2 2 IL RI RI Lulu Dau W F Oct 1888 11 S CA IL IL By 1930, it appears Calvin Ishmael is a widower and has changed where he and his parents were born. He is age 73 so maybe forgetful? 1930 census Fresno, Fresno Co, CA - 4 Apr 1930 2135 Fresno St Ishmael, Calvin Roomer M W 73 Wd RI TN MO Sandy On 6/10/2011 10:08 PM, Matt& Vicki Dlugozimski wrote: > Hi, > In 1872 Mrs. Lydia A. Guthrie married Calvin Arpinkney Ishmael in Jefferson Co. I believe Lydia's maiden name was Gilbert. > I'm looking for any information about them. I can not find Calvin in the 1870 census or back any further. I am at a loss as to know how to find him or Lydia before 1872. > I do have his parents names from his death certificate, but I can not find them either. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, Vicki > Visit the Jefferson County ILGenWeb site at: > www.jefferson.ilgenweb.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Jefferson County ILGenWeb site at: www.jefferson.ilgenweb.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4df41be25d54e49bfa0st01duc