Randy, I checked for the second wife but could not find a listing for her in the Carbondale book. He and his first wife are buried next to each other. Do you know where the second wife's relatives might have been buried? Perhaps she is buried with them. Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: <crainrs@comcast.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Oak Lawn Cemetery > Karima, > > Again thank you very much. Martha would be his first wife, but that helps. > Darthulia Russell Crain Cole, would be his second wife and is wife listed > on Civil War Pension papers. Thanks again. Going by there tomorrow but no > time to stop, this time. > > Randy >

Block 25, Row 3, South to North COLE, J. H., Co. B 1st New Orleans Inf., d. Apr. 30, 1902, aged 72y COLE, Martha, wife of J. H., July 14, 1830 - April 19, 1897 ~Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: <crainrs@comcast.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Oak Lawn Cemetery > Karima, > > Thank you. I am looking for John H Cole and his wife, if she is buried > there. I think he is. >

Yes, Randy, it is. Who are you looking for? ~Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: <rscrain@comcast.net> To: "Unknown" <ILJACKSO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Oak Lawn Cemetery > Would any one know if Oak Lawn Cemetery in included in the Jackson County > Cemetery Books? I am looking for someone buried there. > > Randy Crain >

Dear Fellow List Members, I wish to extend my best wishes for a safe and happy thanksgiving for each and every one of you. As you pack up your things to get ready for your trip to "Grandmother's House", or wherever your are bound, don't forget to take your genealogy "search tools with you." Thanksgiving gatherings provide a wonderful opportunity to ask questions about your grandparents, great grandparents, and great, great grandparents. *Where did they live? *How long had they lived in the community? *Who were their brothers and sisters? *What did they do for a living? *Did your ancestors immigrate to the United States in the 19th or 20th Century? *What was their country of origin? *Did your ancestors serve in World War I, World War II, the Civil War, the War of 1812 or the Revolutionary War? It is also a wonderful time to share photos and to search out the names of those pictured in the photos. I have a stack of photos from the turn of the century which have no names on them and there is no one left in the family who might be able to identify them for me - a sad loss. So, don't miss this opportunity to gather information from your family members. Then, when you come back to the list after the Holiday, please share with us what you have learned. Again, have a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving! ~Karima

Thank you Carole. That fills in some blanks for me. Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Morton" <notrom@yahoo.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 >I have Hugh's father as Alphonso Grammer and mother as Eliza Tweedy > > > Karima <karima@insightbb.com> wrote: > Carole, > > Do you know who Hugh's father was? > > Thanks in advance, > > Karima > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Morton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 > > >> Curtis' father was Hugh Grammer and his mother Sarah Isabel Penrod >> >> Additive to this is his wife information taken from the California Death >> Index: >> >> Name: GRAMMER, DORA IDA Social Security #: Sex: FEMALE >> Birth Date: 25 Aug 1886 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 22 Apr >> 1965 Death Place: SACRAMENTO Mother's Maiden Name: PARKER >> >> Karima wrote: >> Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this >> information. >> >> ~Karima >> >> ================================ >> California Death Index, 1940-1997 >> about CURTIS E. GRAMMER >> Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E >> Social Security #: 711011960 >> Sex: MALE >> Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 >> Death Place: RIVERSIDE >> Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD >> >> 1930 United States Federal Census >> Name: Curtis E Grammer >> Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California >> Age: 40 >> Estimated birth year: abt 1890 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Relation to Head of House: Head >> Spouse's name: Dora I >> Race: White >> Occupation: Janitor at Church >> >> Household Members: >> Curtis E Grammer 40 >> Dora I Grammer 38 >> Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12 >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Sponsored Link >> >> $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home >> equity - >> Click now for info >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house > payment > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carole, Do you know who Hugh's father was? Thanks in advance, Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Morton" <notrom@yahoo.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 > Curtis' father was Hugh Grammer and his mother Sarah Isabel Penrod > > Additive to this is his wife information taken from the California Death > Index: > > Name: GRAMMER, DORA IDA Social Security #: Sex: FEMALE > Birth Date: 25 Aug 1886 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 22 Apr > 1965 Death Place: SACRAMENTO Mother's Maiden Name: PARKER > > Karima <karima@insightbb.com> wrote: > Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this > information. > > ~Karima > > ================================ > California Death Index, 1940-1997 > about CURTIS E. GRAMMER > Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E > Social Security #: 711011960 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 > Birthplace: Illinois > Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 > Death Place: RIVERSIDE > Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD > > 1930 United States Federal Census > Name: Curtis E Grammer > Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California > Age: 40 > Estimated birth year: abt 1890 > Birthplace: Illinois > Relation to Head of House: Head > Spouse's name: Dora I > Race: White > Occupation: Janitor at Church > > Household Members: > Curtis E Grammer 40 > Dora I Grammer 38 > Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - > Click now for info > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this information. ~Karima ================================ California Death Index, 1940-1997 about CURTIS E. GRAMMER Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E Social Security #: 711011960 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 Death Place: RIVERSIDE Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Curtis E Grammer Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Birthplace: Illinois Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Dora I Race: White Occupation: Janitor at Church Household Members: Curtis E Grammer 40 Dora I Grammer 38 Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12

I have Hugh's father as Alphonso Grammer and mother as Eliza Tweedy Karima <karima@insightbb.com> wrote: Carole, Do you know who Hugh's father was? Thanks in advance, Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Morton" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 > Curtis' father was Hugh Grammer and his mother Sarah Isabel Penrod > > Additive to this is his wife information taken from the California Death > Index: > > Name: GRAMMER, DORA IDA Social Security #: Sex: FEMALE > Birth Date: 25 Aug 1886 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 22 Apr > 1965 Death Place: SACRAMENTO Mother's Maiden Name: PARKER > > Karima wrote: > Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this > information. > > ~Karima > > ================================ > California Death Index, 1940-1997 > about CURTIS E. GRAMMER > Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E > Social Security #: 711011960 > Sex: MALE > Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 > Birthplace: Illinois > Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 > Death Place: RIVERSIDE > Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD > > 1930 United States Federal Census > Name: Curtis E Grammer > Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California > Age: 40 > Estimated birth year: abt 1890 > Birthplace: Illinois > Relation to Head of House: Head > Spouse's name: Dora I > Race: White > Occupation: Janitor at Church > > Household Members: > Curtis E Grammer 40 > Dora I Grammer 38 > Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - > Click now for info > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house payment

Curtis' father was Hugh Grammer and his mother Sarah Isabel Penrod Additive to this is his wife information taken from the California Death Index: Name: GRAMMER, DORA IDA Social Security #: Sex: FEMALE Birth Date: 25 Aug 1886 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 22 Apr 1965 Death Place: SACRAMENTO Mother's Maiden Name: PARKER Karima <karima@insightbb.com> wrote: Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this information. ~Karima ================================ California Death Index, 1940-1997 about CURTIS E. GRAMMER Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E Social Security #: 711011960 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 Death Place: RIVERSIDE Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Curtis E Grammer Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Birthplace: Illinois Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Dora I Race: White Occupation: Janitor at Church Household Members: Curtis E Grammer 40 Dora I Grammer 38 Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click now for info

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 19 November 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #37 ISBN: pending O'siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, "Family Traits" There is a strong desire, it seems, among us all to really know the truth and history of our family heritage. Many families have their story tellers or historians and through these clan members we piece together these traits in our heritage. If you are anything like me you have a "shoebox" somewhere that is full of photos - photos of family - ancestors, friends and extended families. Grandma and Mom passed down these 'shoeboxes', our [their] legacies, for their children and grandchildren. Right on!! Except that they didn't label the pictures and now you can't remember who was Great Aunt Girt from Great Aunt Mirt. That being as it may, sorting through the 'family shoebox' being chuck full of heritage photos probably made you curious about the folks in those pictures and what they were like. What are the inherited traits in those pictures? What are the common physical traits seen in those pictures in the box? Did you inherit more physical traits from Momma or Pappa? Who has dimples? Who could curl their tongue? Long or short second toe? Anchored or attached ear lobes? Who can/could do the Vulcan hand sign? Have you ever heard someone in your family say that you remind them of Aunt so-in-so or Uncle what's-his-name?? They say that we men inherit our tendency for baldness from our mothers. That might be true in that my Dad's brother and Father and all his paternal Uncles had full heads of hair upon passing over. Dad wasn't bald by any means at eighty-eight years old but a 'might thin' on top. Thin enough at least to get sunburned up there. Hmmm, and it looks like I just might, passing the three quarter century mark, be developing the same 'thinness'. My life-partner started wearing ear plugs. When I asked why she 'nicely' explained that during the night she would wake to the sound of a forest being cut down with chain saws. Now Mom never snored but Dad sure did! I took a genetics course in college, but I don't remember a snoring gene. Is there one? Is smuggling or horse thieving inherited? If the answer is 'yes' then I'm in trouble according to some accounts in the family history - I would inherit from both sides. How about stubbornness? My sister got her temper from somewhere. She was and is quite opinionated and thus displayed some stubbornness. She would display her stubbornness by running away from Dad. To get away she would dive beneath the bed where she could go but Dad could not. However, she can't match one of our Aunts. I was visiting our Mom's oldest sister last week and I can't remember how we got on the subject; however, she told me a couple of stories about Mom and their middle sister, Tat. Now if you think that Maureen O'Hara in the movie The Quiet Man was stubborn you have an idea of my Mom and Middle Sister Aunt. The youngest picture of this Aunt was taken in full costume of a winged character - an angel no less, or maybe a butterfly. Her long black curls looked like black tubes flowing over her shoulders. Her deep dark black eyes glared out her attitude - daring anyone to make comment. To this day no one can doubt that look was not something to be taken lightly and probably could set anything on fire. As told by their oldest sister, Mom and Middle Aunt were always trying to show who could be the stubbornest and I'm told that Middle Sister could be more stubborn than Mom. At any rate, when the family returned from New York, they were invited to a Halloween party and it was necessary to travel by 'trolley' car to get there. Our Aunt didn't want to go, especially in any costume, so was giving GrandMother a bit of "I won't, I won't - I WON'T!!" Grandma being as stubborn was saying "you will, you WILL". The oldest sister entered the trolley and receiving the hand signal from Grandma to proceed to the back of the car dutifully proceeded up the aisle. Mom, the second, had that gleam of the little girl with the curl right in the middle of her forehead, and wasn't going to miss what was about to happen. The fourth Aunt, the youngest sister in attendance, who held the end position in this procession, was giggling. Aunt Stubborn wanted to sit in the front and in resisting the hand signals of Grandma was being 'assisted' to move toward the rear. Middle Aunt, determined to have her way, grabbed the handle of the first seat and hung on. Grandma peeled back one finger at a time to loosen the hold. So Middle Aunt grabbed the next seat and refused to let go. Again, the fingers were peeled back one at a time. And again Middle Aunt grabbed the handle of the next seat. This repeated itself all the way back to the last seats on the car. Each contestant determined to have their way; however, she who was largest and strongest did win the day. Now that shows stubbornness -- stubbornness inherited. Now you might argue that stubbornness is not genetic, but rather cultural. O.K., but 'inherited' all the same. Take some time today to think about how your inherited family traits have appeared in yourself, your children, or others in your family. Write about them and preserve this important part of your history. That way your grandchildren will know exactly who to blame when their spouse elbows them for snoring in the middle of the night! e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 933 PostScript: Postscript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, _/Dream Angus/_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 12 November 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #36 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Bridges” In the words of B J Hoff [Author of Irish Literature], “Historical Fiction – Building a Bridge from the Past to the Future.” The battle for tomorrow begins in the home, continues in the classroom, and is experienced in the world. To survive in a rapidly and constantly changing world the people must be adaptive. Those of my family [clan] certainly practiced this, though their classroom might have been the great natural outdoors rather than the formal classroom. A wise man from North Carolina once said to me, “The battle for the minds of our children will be accomplished in the classrooms, not on the shores of the waters, nor on the avenues of our cities or on horses. And, they must be instructed for they are the warriors of tomorrow.” He was a member of the First Marine Division who fought on the Island of Guadalcanal. Some of my family, the Border-Scot/Ulster-Irish, certainly used the great outdoors as part of their classroom, learned the things nature and community taught and still lived in their former cultural way with adaptations. For example, they were extremely loyal to kin and community, and apposed to things governmental. They recognized that life was a balance between the educated world and their cultural traditions. There is a need for this living in two worlds. Education will help protect and cultivate the environment and the land [and seas], and develop our health [physically and spiritually] by providing the atmosphere of knowledge to accomplish the first two. The cultural heritage involves the language usage, the customs [ceremonies] and the traditions of our peoples. I am language handicapped, for I know only a part of my own English language though I consider myself a bit of a wordsmith. My cultural heritage mainly involves the languages of English, German, Gaelic, and Cherokee. In a recent article I laid out the traditions of the fall traditions of Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. [Well, I really only mentioned the latter two.] To carry those traditions into and onto this continent in the early days of Euro-infusion, consider the following. Some of our native nations believe the world was created at the time of the first new moon in autumn. This moon is known as the Great New Moon [nu-ta-te-qua] and thus the year begins and feasts are celebrated at each new moon until the first new moon in the spring which begins another ‘new’ year beginning because at this time of the spring eqinox the ‘fruits’ begin to grow and mature. In the antiquity of the Cherokee tradition there is the Ceremony of the Green Corn which observes and recognizes the sacrifice of the first ‘fruits’ where prayers [songs] of praise and thanksgiving are offered to God [The Great Spirit] in order that ‘s/he’ will know of our appreciation. The methods may vary from culture to culture, but these similarities within individual cultures seem to fascinate me. Many of the stories I’ve collected over the years educate the members of families [clans] toward universal truths and behavior. Take for example the following from the explanation of one of the Cherokee Clans. “In the country of the Woodland Peoples is a special group of people, little people who live among the dogwood trees. Physically and emotionally these people are very delicate and sensitive. They look for and participate only in the good and beauty in all things and everyone. The Dogwood Clan, as they are called, have the ability to be seen only as they choose to reveal themselves in the dogwood blossoms. They spend all other time ‘day dreaming’ of the good things for all people, plants, animals, and those that swim, crawl and fly. They care and feel for all that exist that ‘mother earth’ furnishes. “Their tears become the dogwood blossoms as they come out or appear and look about them. In some seasons the tears are scant and fall quickly, while in other seasons the blossom pedals linger and are full. All this depending on their observations of our behavior toward each other and all things, especially to our ‘mother earth’. “The Dogwood Clan peoples are not mischievous in any way. During their non-blossoming period they ‘dream’ of helping one another, out of their sincere and caring beings [hearts], never for personal gain.” e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 715 PostScript: Yesterday, 11 September 2006, was Veteran’s Day. I commend those who are serving and have served their county by fulfilling their duty. I salute those who went beyond that call of duty to serve their fellow men – they are the true warriors.

Thanks for the quick and thorough response. What an amazing bunch of researchers in the Jackson County area! Maybe there are descendents in the area, or out of the area. The offer still stands. Shirley Maul >Oh, I see that Blanche HRABIK married Lee S. MITCHELL (1893-1974). They were >buried at Pleasant Grove Memorial cemetery. Blanche was born 18 Sep 1896 and >died 13 Nov 1981. > >http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shirley Maul" <shirleymaul@optonline.net> >To: <ILJACKSO@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:54 PM >Subject: [ILJACKSO] Hrabick Family > > >> Friends, >> Perhaps the spelling is not correct, but I believe this >> family lived next door to my great grandparents in the late 1800s and >> early 1900s in Murphysboro, perhaps on 11th Street. I have two >> photos in my Mother's photo album that I would be glad to send copies >> of via email or snail mail if the descendents would like to have them. >> One is of Mrs Hrabick with Clara Armm, my great grandmother, >> and the other is of the Hrabick family. The family seems to be a >> mother and father, two boys and four girls. None of the individuals >> are named. The young people appear to be in their teens or early >> twenties. Email me if you would like to have copies of the photos. >> Shirley Maul >> shirleymaul@optonline.net >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, I see that Blanche HRABIK married Lee S. MITCHELL (1893-1974). They were buried at Pleasant Grove Memorial cemetery. Blanche was born 18 Sep 1896 and died 13 Nov 1981. http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Maul" <shirleymaul@optonline.net> To: <ILJACKSO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Hrabick Family > Friends, > Perhaps the spelling is not correct, but I believe this > family lived next door to my great grandparents in the late 1800s and > early 1900s in Murphysboro, perhaps on 11th Street. I have two > photos in my Mother's photo album that I would be glad to send copies > of via email or snail mail if the descendents would like to have them. > One is of Mrs Hrabick with Clara Armm, my great grandmother, > and the other is of the Hrabick family. The family seems to be a > mother and father, two boys and four girls. None of the individuals > are named. The young people appear to be in their teens or early > twenties. Email me if you would like to have copies of the photos. > Shirley Maul > shirleymaul@optonline.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The April 1910 census for 1-Ward Murphysboro (on Mulberry Street) lists family 272 as: Frank HRABICK age 57, b. Austria, mercahnt, groceries Henrietta age 47 b. IL John age 23 b. IL Lillian age 21 b. IL Lena age 18 b. IL William K. age 15 b. IL Blanch age 12 b. IL Adah age 10 b. IL Rosenia SCHOCH age 85 b. Germany (Henrietta's mother) In the Jun 1900 census, Frank is listed as a baker and born in Bohemia in Jul 1852. In the 1900 census, the HRABIK family was listed as family 615, on Mulberry Street, and family 614, on S. 11th street, was headed by John ARMM (father of Clara). The gravemarkers for the family members spell the name as HRABIK. Frank died in 1949, Henrietta in 1955, Lillie in 1914, Anna in 1894, and Rosine in 1885. They were buried at City cemetery in Murphysboro, Lot 48. John HRABIK was born 3 Oct 1886 in Murphysboro. His WW I draft card lists him as a physician and a surgeon, not married, living at 1101 Mulberry in Murphysboro. He was a Captain in the Medical Corps during WW I. John died in Murphysboro 26 May 1969 and was buried at Pleasant Grove Memorial cemetery in Murphysboro Township. William Kenneth HRABIK was born 22 Jul 1894 in Murphysboro, and his WW I draft card lists him as single and a law student at the University of Illinois in Urbana. William died 6 Nov 1963. He was buried next to John. I don't know what happened to his sisters, but it seems likely that there are HRABIK descendants in the Murphysboro area. http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Maul" <shirleymaul@optonline.net> To: <ILJACKSO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Hrabick Family > Friends, > Perhaps the spelling is not correct, but I believe this > family lived next door to my great grandparents in the late 1800s and > early 1900s in Murphysboro, perhaps on 11th Street. I have two > photos in my Mother's photo album that I would be glad to send copies > of via email or snail mail if the descendents would like to have them. > One is of Mrs Hrabick with Clara Armm, my great grandmother, > and the other is of the Hrabick family. The family seems to be a > mother and father, two boys and four girls. None of the individuals > are named. The young people appear to be in their teens or early > twenties. Email me if you would like to have copies of the photos. > Shirley Maul > shirleymaul@optonline.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Friends, Perhaps the spelling is not correct, but I believe this family lived next door to my great grandparents in the late 1800s and early 1900s in Murphysboro, perhaps on 11th Street. I have two photos in my Mother's photo album that I would be glad to send copies of via email or snail mail if the descendents would like to have them. One is of Mrs Hrabick with Clara Armm, my great grandmother, and the other is of the Hrabick family. The family seems to be a mother and father, two boys and four girls. None of the individuals are named. The young people appear to be in their teens or early twenties. Email me if you would like to have copies of the photos. Shirley Maul shirleymaul@optonline.net

Thank you, Juli; I had that phone # at one time but lost the doggone thing! Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance!

Carol, Oakland has a sexton who is very knowledgeable and helpful. He may be able to answer some of your questions. The phone number is not in the phone book, but if you contact the city clerk's office they can tell you how to reach the cemetery office-- City Clerk's Office at (618) 549-5302 or E-Mail: jvaught@ci.carbondale.il.us . Good luck, Juli On 11/9/2006 12:21:06 AM, cagarbo@webtv.net wrote: > I would like some information on Oakland Cemetery in Carbondale, IL. I > have been there a couple of times & know that it is in the city of > Carbondale; however, when it began as a cemetery, I would assume that it > was pretty much in a rural area? When was the cemetery started and when > was the earliest burial recorded there? Also, is there any record of > persons who may have donated land or sold land to begin the cemetery? > Sorry for so many questions but I am trying to solve a few family > mysteries. Thank you for any information. Carol > > Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we > are here, we may as well dance! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

I would like some information on Oakland Cemetery in Carbondale, IL. I have been there a couple of times & know that it is in the city of Carbondale; however, when it began as a cemetery, I would assume that it was pretty much in a rural area? When was the cemetery started and when was the earliest burial recorded there? Also, is there any record of persons who may have donated land or sold land to begin the cemetery? Sorry for so many questions but I am trying to solve a few family mysteries. Thank you for any information. Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance!

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 6 November 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #36 Special Edition ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Current Items” Quotes from a local newspaper for 6th January 1871, under “Current Items”: The Coal Ring = The fireside circle. Hush Money = The price of a family cradle. Best Climate for Toper [dunkard] = The temporate zone. The militia of Pennsylvania number 13,000 men. Harrisburg, PA, contains 685 more females than males. The policies of the[sic] Washington are liberal as to travel. Virginia has half a million members of the Order of Good Templars. A Slow Match = The marriage of a couple after thirteen years’ courtship. The Mutual Life of Chicago makes all its policies non-forfeitable. A “History of Tobacco” is announced. It should be illustrated with fine cuts. The city of Boston paid $21,285 during the last year for bathing 1,397,914 men, women and boys. The sagacious A. Ward once said he thought it rather improved a comic paper to print a joke now and then. [This next one has a ring of truth to it. (Huge grin)] The man who is too poor to hire his boots blacked, and too much of a gentleman to black them himself, wears dirty boots. In Norfolk the indolents [it is a proper word, folks] proposed to organize a lazy club, but failed on account of the party being too lazy to sign their names to the constitution. The State Inspector reports 628,979 barrels of salt inspected in Michigan last year being an increase of nearly 70,000 barrels on the product of the previous year. A Lady, aged 61, in England, finding herself on the wrong railroad train, leaped from it when it was running at a speed of forty miles an hour, and escaped without any injury. Dobb, the portrait painter, says that everthing should be in character. For instance, search warrants should be printed on “tracing paper”, and wedding notices on “fool’s cap”. A man in Essex, Mass., refused to have the pegs of a new pair of shoes he was buying for his boy rsped off, because in that case the boy would run all over town, and the shoes wouldn’t last him three weeks. The Superior Court in Cincinnati decides that a wife has a vested right in her husband’s society and companionship and can maintain an action for damages against any person who tempts him to stay from home. [Just one more ...] It was once observed to Lord Chesterfield, in the course of conversation, that man is the only creature endowed with the power of laughter. “True,” said the earl, “and you may add, perhaps, that he is the only creature who deserves to be laughed at.” Tomorrow is election day ... don’t let “Vote Bee Gone” win ... “Rock the Vote”-- VOTE ... it’s YOUR country! [I think that both those quotes have “tm”s, but I’m not positive.] e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 457 PostScript:

I would also like a list of familes in this cemetery. I have been told that Ben Jackson, who fought in the civil war is buried there. I would like to know if any of his relatives are buried there also. Joy --- toni_gen@juno.com wrote: > Would someone please tell me if I can see a list > of the families in this cemetery to find someone ? > Thanks in advance for any help on this. Or direct > me as to where I could go look. > Tonia > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >