Hi List, I am helping out on a project for someone else and am looking for information on any McGuires in Jackson County. In the 1870s to 1920 it looks like a good many of them were in the Makanda area. It appears that a couple of the girls married into the PEAK and THOMAS family also in Makanda. The family was John Sr b 1840 Ohio Nancy M also known as Mary?? b abt 1844 Thristan Ann a grand daughter Edward b 1879 Orvil P b 1881 Lousia b 1882 Jennie b abt 1884 James b 1888 Anna M. b 1875 Married Joseph PEAK Clola b 1869 Married William THOMAS Joseph and Anna had 2 children, Joseph was a Constable (police man I assume) Edna b 1891 James W. b 1895 Any info would be great. Dale

Responders, Thank you for the various responses. The person in question knew well how to read and write and made the change himself. The census takers and immigration agents did make many a mess of names but obviously had to be told to add an m to Arm. No one would naturally do it. This change was clearly intentional on the part of John Armm. His brother had the same name as his father, Samuel, so it wasn't for name confusion. I think Arm was uncommon in Jackson County, there was no mail delivery confusion. His father remarried after the mother's death but that was very common and usually didn't bother the grown children enough to change their name over it. He wasn't the oldest so not in line to inherit the Ohio farm anyway. Maybe he just wanted to be different. I was hoping if it had been legally changed, a reason might have been given. A little research through Google only found articles on current law relating to gay marriage, sex changes, adoption and divorce. Immigrants changed their names to blend in, but John Arm was OK on that front and wasn't an immigrant. So why did he do it? There are published books covering name changes from 1866-1893 in California, 1800- 1856 in Georgia, to 1852 in Indiana, 1634-1854 in Maryland, from 1780 to 1892 in Massachusetts and from 1790-1892 in North Carolina. Supposedly every state had a mechanism for changing one's name. Illinois must have had a legal way to change the name, but since all legal actions cost money, maybe he didn't bother. He was not a rich man. You all may be right. Maybe he just decided to change it and no one questioned it. They only knew him in Illinois, not his family back in Ohio. They probably took him at his word. All of his nine children and many grandchildren are dead so I may never know why he did it. Still curious. Many thanks. Shirley Maul

Linda: My connection to Lindsey is through my Etherton line. Somewhere on the Jackson website was a letter written by a Caleb(?) Lindsay that I think explained that problem. I will do some research to see if I can find it. If I do I will post the link here. George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Reichert Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:55 PM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Name change law George - do you have more info on the Jackson County Lindsey/Lindsay families??? do you connect? Linda On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:18 PM, George E. Basden wrote: > Also, in some cases the name change was because of a family feud. In > Jackson county some of the Lindsey and Lindsay are connected. Due to > family > stories, there was a squabble between two brothers and one changed his > name. > > > Basden Photography > www.basden.com > gebasden@charter.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems that this practice was still common in the early 1900's also. One of my Jr. High School teachers was known to all by one surname but was actually born with another. He was not born out of wedlock, just born into a situation in which the parents or surviving parent could not take care of a child. As an infant he was "taken in" by another couple to raise and given their name, no formal anything just a name change. Apparently this was also the case with one of my Grandmothers. As an infant she appears in the SMITH family, in Cottage Home, as Selva COX, born 24 JULY 1910 in Makanda. Shortly thereafter she turned into Opal Nokomis SMITH, born 24 JULY 1910 in Makanda. I have searched endlessly for any type of paperwork that might exist with no success. The SMITH couple were married and had previously had one stillborn child. Ida SMITH's maiden name was COX so the possibility that they "took in" the child of a relative seems highly likely. I have so far found nothing to prove, or disprove where my Grandmother came from. I also have to wonder (due to several circumstances) if it is possible the SMITH's were perhaps not the first couple to take young Selva into their household. Maybe she went to live with a COX family (relatives?) first and they discovered they could not deal with an infant(???) and turned her over to the SMITH's. So, the search continues... Robin Robin's PhotoGraphics http://www.robinsphotographics.com On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:12 AM, iljackso-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:52:35 EST > From: Thehensons@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Name change law > To: iljackso@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c30.8373ab0.329f14d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > ...A young person born out of wedlock will be listed with one surname > in one > census, then with a totally new surname in the next census, and they > have never > gone to court. . . In the 1800's people took in children, but never > went to > court to adopt them. I have seen one formal adoption in a deed record > in the > 1880's. >

George - do you have more info on the Jackson County Lindsey/Lindsay families??? do you connect? Linda On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:18 PM, George E. Basden wrote: > Also, in some cases the name change was because of a family feud. In > Jackson county some of the Lindsey and Lindsay are connected. Due to > family > stories, there was a squabble between two brothers and one changed his > name. > > > Basden Photography > www.basden.com > gebasden@charter.net

I also have a family attached to my tree and after WWII the military accidentally changed the spelling of his name so he kept it that way.. went from Ramer to Reamer I agree that confusion over mail would easily result in a change. I got several pieces of mail for someone with my exact name/same spelling, a couple streets over and I assumed that she was getting my mail (and not returning it) because sometimes bills would just not show up) I ended up switching the bills over to my husbands name so there was not as much confusion. I also have a LÜDLOFF that becomes LUEDLOFF, not sure if the Ü with two dots translates to UE??? Linda On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Thehensons@aol.com wrote: > Spelling of names is only important to people of the present day. We > take > great notice of how a name is spelled. In the 1860's you will not > find a record > of a name change, unless it is a divorced woman, taking back her > maiden name. > If you pay attention to spelling and do not research all variations > of how > your name could be spelled, you are missing the boat. > > Adding an extra M is not a big change. Sometimes people dropped > endings or > "Van" or "De" before a surname. > > In my own Spalding family, a man was released from WW I and they > spelled his > name Spaulding. Do you think he waited for the paper work to be > changed? It > would have delayed his getting out of the service, so to this day, his > descendants spell their name Spaulding. Yet, they are as close as > first cousins. > > A young person born out of wedlock will be listed with one surname in > one > census, then with a totally new surname in the next census, and they > have never > gone to court. . . In the 1800's people took in children, but never > went to > court to adopt them. I have seen one formal adoption in a deed record > in the > 1880's. > > Two Matlock families lived near each other and they kept getting their > mail > mixed up. So, one decided to become Medlock instead of Matlock. This > is a > true story. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Also, in some cases the name change was because of a family feud. In Jackson county some of the Lindsey and Lindsay are connected. Due to family stories, there was a squabble between two brothers and one changed his name. In my ancestory I have a cousin who was married and had 4 children by the first wife. Surname was BASEDEN. He remarried and had 5 more children. The second five children started out as BASEDEN but ended up as BAYSDEN. I had actually interviewed Rollie, who is now deceased, and he informed me that the teachers made them change their name to what they considered the "American" spelling. My mom's father went from Boening to Benning because of a school teacher! George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peg Crain Luthy Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:58 AM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Name change law Name spelling means nothing in the 1800's, very few people could read or even write in the first half of the century, even up to the 1900's. You will notice may documents are signed with the name and then His X Mark, with the X done by the person who would have signed his name if he could write. In many cases the spelling change was made by the person doing the recording, they spelled names by the way they sounded to them. You must remember back years ago, an eighth grade education was in most cases as high as anybody got, many did not go that far in school. Can you imagine sending an eighth grader out to take the census in this day and age? That was basically the education the census takers had back in the 1800's. In my Crain family we have Crain, Crane, and Craine all in the same county, all for the same person in many cases. I know also in the Henson family, within one family of children they grew up to use three variations, Henson, Hanson, Hinson. This was one of the reasons the Soundex system was developed, so that you could find ancestors by the sound of their names, not just the spellings. In most cases it's a waste of time to look for name change documents. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Maul To: ILJACKSO@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Name change law Friends, It appears that my great grandfather changed his name when he moved from Ohio to Illinois by adding a double letter to his name, Arm to Armm. He was not an immigrant, but born in Ohio in 1848, then married in Illinois in 1873 with the name changed. I do not know why he did this. He was a carpenter, not a theatrical person. All nine of his children spelled their name with two ms as did his grandchildren. His sisters and brothers retained the single m spelling. Does anyone know what the Illinois law governing name changes was in the 1860s? What court or legislative body would have been petitioned? Or would the change just have been accepted in his new state without question? I am assuming he made the change in Illinois, not Ohio, but maybe he changed it in Ohio or even on the way, in Indiana. I will start with Illinois though. The 1984 edition of The Source, pp. 187-190 gives some guidance for some states but not for Illinois or Ohio. Thank you. Shirley Maul shirleymaul@optonline.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Name spelling means nothing in the 1800's, very few people could read or even write in the first half of the century, even up to the 1900's. You will notice may documents are signed with the name and then His X Mark, with the X done by the person who would have signed his name if he could write. In many cases the spelling change was made by the person doing the recording, they spelled names by the way they sounded to them. You must remember back years ago, an eighth grade education was in most cases as high as anybody got, many did not go that far in school. Can you imagine sending an eighth grader out to take the census in this day and age? That was basically the education the census takers had back in the 1800's. In my Crain family we have Crain, Crane, and Craine all in the same county, all for the same person in many cases. I know also in the Henson family, within one family of children they grew up to use three variations, Henson, Hanson, Hinson. This was one of the reasons the Soundex system was developed, so that you could find ancestors by the sound of their names, not just the spellings. In most cases it's a waste of time to look for name change documents. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Maul To: ILJACKSO@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Name change law Friends, It appears that my great grandfather changed his name when he moved from Ohio to Illinois by adding a double letter to his name, Arm to Armm. He was not an immigrant, but born in Ohio in 1848, then married in Illinois in 1873 with the name changed. I do not know why he did this. He was a carpenter, not a theatrical person. All nine of his children spelled their name with two ms as did his grandchildren. His sisters and brothers retained the single m spelling. Does anyone know what the Illinois law governing name changes was in the 1860s? What court or legislative body would have been petitioned? Or would the change just have been accepted in his new state without question? I am assuming he made the change in Illinois, not Ohio, but maybe he changed it in Ohio or even on the way, in Indiana. I will start with Illinois though. The 1984 edition of The Source, pp. 187-190 gives some guidance for some states but not for Illinois or Ohio. Thank you. Shirley Maul shirleymaul@optonline.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Spelling of names is only important to people of the present day. We take great notice of how a name is spelled. In the 1860's you will not find a record of a name change, unless it is a divorced woman, taking back her maiden name. If you pay attention to spelling and do not research all variations of how your name could be spelled, you are missing the boat. Adding an extra M is not a big change. Sometimes people dropped endings or "Van" or "De" before a surname. In my own Spalding family, a man was released from WW I and they spelled his name Spaulding. Do you think he waited for the paper work to be changed? It would have delayed his getting out of the service, so to this day, his descendants spell their name Spaulding. Yet, they are as close as first cousins. A young person born out of wedlock will be listed with one surname in one census, then with a totally new surname in the next census, and they have never gone to court. . . In the 1800's people took in children, but never went to court to adopt them. I have seen one formal adoption in a deed record in the 1880's. Two Matlock families lived near each other and they kept getting their mail mixed up. So, one decided to become Medlock instead of Matlock. This is a true story.

Friends, It appears that my great grandfather changed his name when he moved from Ohio to Illinois by adding a double letter to his name, Arm to Armm. He was not an immigrant, but born in Ohio in 1848, then married in Illinois in 1873 with the name changed. I do not know why he did this. He was a carpenter, not a theatrical person. All nine of his children spelled their name with two ms as did his grandchildren. His sisters and brothers retained the single m spelling. Does anyone know what the Illinois law governing name changes was in the 1860s? What court or legislative body would have been petitioned? Or would the change just have been accepted in his new state without question? I am assuming he made the change in Illinois, not Ohio, but maybe he changed it in Ohio or even on the way, in Indiana. I will start with Illinois though. The 1984 edition of The Source, pp. 187-190 gives some guidance for some states but not for Illinois or Ohio. Thank you. Shirley Maul shirleymaul@optonline.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: REDMAN, HALE, SANDERS, McKINNEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/733 Message Board Post: My g/m Alma May Hale Ricketts was born in Advance, Stoddard Co., MO in 1902. Her parents were John Henry Hale born 1860 in Jefferson Co., IL and Eva Jane Redman born abt. 1886 in Bell City, Stoddard Co., MO. Eva Jane was the d/o John Redman born 1854 IL, and Belzora/Belsora "Belle" Sanders abt. 1861 Stoddard Co., MO. Eva Jane shows up on the Stoddard Co., MO in 1880 as 2 years old. I believe she might have told a story about her age to my family. After all, if wasn't "nice" to ask a lady her age back then. I knew my g/grandma Eva, she died in 1960. John Redman had a brother, George Redman who married Belle Sanders sister, Sarah V. Sanders in Stoddard Co., MO. John and George were born in Carbondale, Jackson Co., IL. I think their father and mother were Caleb Redman born abt. 1820/25, NC and Rachel UKN. I also think Sarah V. and Belle's mother was Sarah "Polly" McKinney before she married Joseph Sanders. Her husband, Joseph Sanders died and she married Frederick Shrum in Stoddard Co., MO. 1850 census. I found Caleb Redman living in a Shrum h/h in (Stoddard Co?) MO 1850 census, 1860 he is living in Carbondale, IL with wife Rachel, sons John and George, and dau. Lucinda. 1870 Caleb still in Carbondale with wife, Rachel, sons John, George, and dau. Lucinda. John and George living in Stoddard Co., MO 1880 census, both married to the above Sanders, Sarah V. and Belle. 1880 no census found for Caleb, Rachel, or Lucinda. Also, Caleb Redman was in the Civil War, enlisted in IL. John Henry Hale s/o of James Henry Massey Hale, s/o John Henry Hale (they all lived in Southern IL). The Hale family came out of TN and moved to IL. My g/m always told me she had Sanders, Redmans, and McKinneys in her ancestry. She died in 1999 at the age of 97 with a SUPER SHARP memory. I wish I had asked her for more information. I think the Sanders, Redmans, Hales, and Shrums all (or most) had all lived in Southern IL and migrated to MO. Do you have this family in your files? If you need more info. I can supply dates, etc. I typed all this from memory, so I hope I got the dates correct. Thanks so much, Claudette (Ricketts) Pfingston claud@sigecom.net

Early Kaskaskia, Illinois Newspapers 1814-1832 by Lola Frazer Crowder, Frontier Press, Galveston, 1994. Vol 1, # 40, Wed June 3, 1818 p. 18 Candidates for the convention from Randolph County are George Fisher and Elias K. Kane. From Jackson County R.E. Heacock, Mathew Duncan, William Boon, and Conrad Will. From Union County John Grammer, Thomas Cox, Joseph Palmer, John Whittaker and John Bradshaw. Vol 1 # 41, June 10 1818 p. 18 William Boon asks those indebted to the estate of Edward Miller, deceased, to make payment by Sept. when he will settle the estate in Jackson County.

"Early Kaskaskia, Illinois Newspapers 1814-1832" by Lola Frazer Crowder, Frontier Press, Galveston, 1994 p. 18 "John Jenkins, Union County, announces that his wife, Delphy, has left him. They were married in February or March of 1817. She was supposedly the widow of Mr. Mesar. He warns the public from trading with her."

In a message dated 11/27/2006 2:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, iljackso-request@rootsweb.com writes: a brand new Chevrolet Cavalier. ??????????????? I only remember the "Standard" and the "Deluxe" models of a Chevrolet. The "Deluxe" was equipped with a radio, heater and two sun visors as obvious upgrades. Anything I have missed?

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 26 November 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #36 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “The Meeting” “How did you two meet?” is a favorite question asked by nearly everyone at some time or other. My wife and I met in college, yet unremembered by either of us, we really met ten years or more earlier when her Great Aunt and my Grandmother used to bring us along on picnics during the American Great Depression. I used to tease her and pull her pigtails [according to oft told stories]. As my ‘Sainted’ Father would say, “I know not how the truth may be, but I tell the tale as ‘twas told to me.” I often remember these words when I write articles and other tales. However, I must say that in this case ‘Sainted’ is a title of endearment, for in all truth he is representative of the rabbit in the myths of so many peoples around the world – a messenger, a storyteller, a dancer, and above all a great ‘trickster’ and mischief maker with a most devilish, gleeful chuckle. This story begins a bit before my birth at the beginning of the great depression of the last century in the United States. In those days in Mother’s family, Grandpa was laid off and Grandma had to go to work. She found a job in a small glove factory not far from their abode, which as a side is the house I was born in. The oldest daughter was about sixteen and completed her sophomore year of high school. With five under age children in the home and Grandma working, someone had to take over the chores and duties of housekeeper. Thus, the traditionally responsible sibling, Oldest Daughter, dropped her schooling and kept house for the family, quite a job with four younger girls in the household. She had always helped around the house and since there was not the same emphasis on graduation from high school as there is today, taking over the household/babysitting role didn’t seem out of place. Rather a natural duty as a member of the nuclear family. This took place for about a year. After Grandpa was re-employed, Oldest Daughter, being out of school for a year, didn’t return to the scholastic life. With the Christmas season approaching she found employment with a local brush company. During her interview she implied that she was eighteen, the magic age for employment, and was hired to operate a tooth-brush making machine. She didn’t like this and soon was offered an alternative of operating the ‘trimming’ machine. She must have been good at this job and loyal to the firm for when it came to ‘lay-off’ time following Christmas, she was kept on the job as ‘permanent’. When she did turn eighteen she applied for work with the telephone company. This was a popular occupation for many and with an Aunt or three already employed there, it gave her an ‘edge’; she was hired. Soon her proficiency rating was good enough and she was placed as a ‘long’ distance operator. Well, that is the introductory part of ‘The Meeting’. This meeting is how Aunt and Uncle met. It seems that a popular activity for young folks was attending Dance Halls. Monday nights in our locale was designated as ‘Ladies’ night and for the entrance fee of one dime young ladies would have fun evenings dancing and socializing. Aunt would, like many other girls, go with one or more friends and in this case one younger sister was sent along to chaperon[e] Oldest Daughter and friend. Men who wanted to dance with young ladies would go around and sign the ladies dance card. On one particular evening Future Uncle signed Aunt’s card for an early dance. Later he came back for ‘seconds’. This must have gone on for a short period of time, but Aunt reports that before she was really aware, they were dancing every dance on that Monday evening. Well, the story plot thickens, for Future Uncle asked if he could escort Aunt home. Aunt dutifully informed him that she was with two other girls. This didn’t deter Future Uncle as he was with two friends also. In the long run, Aunt agreed they could be taken home but first she had to see the ‘transport’ vehicle; thinking that IF Future Uncle had a nice car she would consent, otherwise .... As it turned out Future Uncle, who always parked his car in garages, never on the street, had purchased a brand new Chevrolet Cavalier. Aunt thought that was good enough to ride in. Well, they didn’t do more than meet and dance once in a while. However, once again Aunt found that she was dancing exclusively with Future Uncle and their relationship blossomed into marriage and family. Back when Aunt went to school, kindergarten was neither required nor necessarily supported by many mothers. Aunt did not go to kindergarten. On the first day that Grandma took Aunt to school to enter First Grade they lined all the first graders in a row and since there were two teachers for that grade level they divided the children, every other one, to assign them to a teacher. Aunt, with a sly smile, says that she drew ‘the mean’ teacher.. She bases that on the following exercise. The children were issued a piece of paper and a pencil and told to write their name. Those children with kindergarten experience followed directions. Aunt not knowing even how to hold a pencil couldn’t do anything but sit in her assigned desk. The ‘Mean Teacher’ circulated up and down the rows of desks and stopped at Aunt’s desk. ‘Mean Teacher’ scolded her for not doing as directed and continued her rounds. When she returned and Aunt had not yet attempted to complete the assignment, ‘Mean Teacher’, as punishment, told her to go sit up next to the teacher’s desk where ‘bad’ children sat. In those days children went home for lunch as school was shut down for the lunch hour. When it came time to return to school, Aunt didn’t want to go and displayed some of that family ‘stubbornness’. Grandma, when she found out the reason, marched Aunt back to school and they went directly to the Principal’s Office for some stern words. I’m sure that there was at least an outward change in relationship between student and teacher. What was your first day of school like? How did you meet your life’s partner? I’ll bet your great grandchildren will find it interesting. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 1076 PostScript: "What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night. It is the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset." [Crowfoot, Blackfoot warrior and orator]

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Karima, Again thank you very much. Martha would be his first wife, but that helps. Darthulia Russell Crain Cole, would be his second wife and is wife listed on Civil War Pension papers. Thanks again. Going by there tomorrow but no time to stop, this time. Randy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Karima" <karima@insightbb.com> > Block 25, Row 3, South to North > > COLE, J. H., Co. B 1st New Orleans Inf., d. Apr. 30, 1902, aged 72y > > COLE, Martha, wife of J. H., July 14, 1830 - April 19, 1897 > > ~Karima > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Oak Lawn Cemetery > > > > Karima, > > > > Thank you. I am looking for John H Cole and his wife, if she is buried > > there. I think he is. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Karima, Thank you. I am looking for John H Cole and his wife, if she is buried there. I think he is. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Karima" <karima@insightbb.com> > Yes, Randy, it is. Who are you looking for? > > ~Karima > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Unknown" > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:48 PM > Subject: [ILJACKSO] Oak Lawn Cemetery > > > > Would any one know if Oak Lawn Cemetery in included in the Jackson County > > Cemetery Books? I am looking for someone buried there. > > > > Randy Crain > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Would any one know if Oak Lawn Cemetery in included in the Jackson County Cemetery Books? I am looking for someone buried there. Randy Crain

Alphonso Grammer married Elizabeth Tweedy 6/7/1849 in Union. Hugh married Sarah I. Penrod 7/31/1879 in Union. Source Illinois Marriage Index On-line. Loretta Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Morton" <notrom@yahoo.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 >I have Hugh's father as Alphonso Grammer and mother as Eliza Tweedy > > > Karima <karima@insightbb.com> wrote: > Carole, > > Do you know who Hugh's father was? > > Thanks in advance, > > Karima > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Morton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] CURTIS E GRAMMER - 1889-1966 > > >> Curtis' father was Hugh Grammer and his mother Sarah Isabel Penrod >> >> Additive to this is his wife information taken from the California Death >> Index: >> >> Name: GRAMMER, DORA IDA Social Security #: Sex: FEMALE >> Birth Date: 25 Aug 1886 Birthplace: Illinois Death Date: 22 Apr >> 1965 Death Place: SACRAMENTO Mother's Maiden Name: PARKER >> >> Karima wrote: >> Found the following and thought perhaps someone could use this >> information. >> >> ~Karima >> >> ================================ >> California Death Index, 1940-1997 >> about CURTIS E. GRAMMER >> Name: GRAMMER, CURTIS E >> Social Security #: 711011960 >> Sex: MALE >> Birth Date: 23 Nov 1889 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Death Date: 5 Mar 1966 >> Death Place: RIVERSIDE >> Mother's Maiden Name: PENROD >> >> 1930 United States Federal Census >> Name: Curtis E Grammer >> Home in 1930: San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California >> Age: 40 >> Estimated birth year: abt 1890 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Relation to Head of House: Head >> Spouse's name: Dora I >> Race: White >> Occupation: Janitor at Church >> >> Household Members: >> Curtis E Grammer 40 >> Dora I Grammer 38 >> Curtis Dean Grammer 3 9/12 >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Sponsored Link >> >> $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home >> equity - >> Click now for info >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house > payment > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message