This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Blaylock, Wolf, Akin(s), Douglas Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/736/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Elijah L. BLAYLOCK was born in Craighead, Arkansas on 4 Mar 1849. He died after 1920 in Jackson Co., IL. There is a cemetery stone for E. L. Blaylock in Jerusalem Cemetery near Pomona, IL with only his date of birth. There is also a stone for N. A. Blaylock with her date of birth 14 March 1867. The Illinois Archives Statewide Death Index (1916-1950) lists Elijah Blaylock, Certificate # 2390106, 27 November, 1927, Murphysboro, IL. A George Blaylock is listed in the 1880 Federal Census, Ridge Township, Jac. Co., IL with a wife Margaret b. ca. 1853 IL. Could this be Elijah? What is Margaret's maiden name? 1880 Ridge Twp. 142-143 Blalock, George 36 Head AR SC NC Margaret 27 Wife IL KY IN William T. son 9 MO AR IL John P. son 5 IL AR IL Lilly Dell dau 2 IL AR IL Elizabeth dau 2 IL AR IL Wife Margaret Blaylock probably died [or were they divorced] between 1880 and 1888 since Elijah married Nancy Wolf Aiken in Jackson Co., IL in 1888. It was a second marriage Nancy Wolf Aiken. They were married at bride's home. Witnesses were W. S. Douglas and Joseph Williams. Marriage performed by John A. Atchison on Dec 23, 1888; marriage return dated Dec 23, 1888; registered Jan 9, 1889. Residence of both parties listed as Pomona, IL. 1900 Pomona Twp., Jackson Co., IL 311/323 Blalock, Elisha b. Mar 1850 aged 50 md. 11 years IL IL IL Nancy b. Mar 1868 aged 32 md. 11 years 6/6 children IL IL IL Odus b. May 1890 Margaret b. June 1892 Robert b. Nov 1895 Minnie b. Apr 1899 Akins, Elmus step-son b. May 1885 IL KY IL Akins, Gracie step-dau b. Apr 1887 IL KY IL 312/324 Blalock, John P. son b. May 1875 single IL IL IL [Is this Elijah's son by 1st wife Margaret?]

There is a Frank James in the Pettitt Funeral Home records, might try them http://www.pettettfuneralhome.com/our_facilities.html -------------- Original message -------------- From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: James > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jacks > on/734/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Need the obituary of a Frank E JAMES Social Security number 354-20-4347, Born > 7 Feb 1928, died, 18 Feb 1995 Carbondale, Jackson County, Illinois. If > anybody can look it up I sure would appreciate it. John W > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/735/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A little girl was left on the doorsteps of Phebe Foster about 1905. Later Mrs. Foster married a Cass Cooper and they moved away from Southern Illinois. The little girl was left to the Childrens Home and Aid Society orphanage, and eventually she was adopted in Northern Illinois by John and Martha Miller in the year 1911. At the time of the adoption they called to abandoned girl "Marie". I'm trying to find out any information at all about my mother (Marie) that I can. Any information would be appreciated!!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: James Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/734/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need the obituary of a Frank E JAMES Social Security number 354-20-4347, Born 7 Feb 1928, died, 18 Feb 1995 Carbondale, Jackson County, Illinois. If anybody can look it up I sure would appreciate it. John W

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/172.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try the STATE OF Illinois Archives and see if IRAD Carbondale, Il.has any imformation on this death. Betty

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/409.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Jackson County Historical and Genealogical Society has a large obit file. They can be contacted at: jchs@verizon.net. They have a small fee for photocopying. Microfilm copies of Jackson County newspapers ( e.g. Daily Free Press (Carbondale); The Daily Independent (Murphysboro), and others) can be ordered via interlibrary loan from the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield, although this service may be limited to Illinois residents. Using microfilm works best if you know the year, or better the exact date, of the death of the person. My research experience on my Jackson County family in newspapers has resulted in obits of various lengths. Charles S. Ross, Monticello, IL

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 24 December 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #42 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Toys We Made” As my ‘Sainted’ Father oft said to me, “I know not how the truth may be, but I tell the tale as ‘twas happen to me.” So blame the season for this anecdote on my youngest grandchild [age eight]. [Close to off-topic, but still about family heritage and traditions.] She was setting up our Creche scene a couple of weeks ago. This set is an all white ceramic set given to me many years ago by a home-economics teacher who did these as her contribution to the ‘giving’ season. She glazed and fired it several times, including the insides, with ‘tender loving care’ which makes it very precious to us. Granddaughter, knowing all this, was placing each piece carefully and arranging each piece so that they would all be viewing the Christ Child, except one camel [there are two]. To set it otherwise than the way she did would place the animal precariously on the very edge of the display surface. In explaining why this one animal wasn’t ‘ facing’ the manger, she said, “It doesn’t matter if he is not looking at the baby Jesus ‘cause all camels aren’t always interested.” An explanation for everything! [grin] This is the ‘giving’ season whether it be religious or no, thus, children look forward to gifts, especially toys. Christmas gifts for us during the Great Depression were usually clothes, often home made – sweaters, socks, etc. However, on Christmas Morn there would be ‘a’ gift toy from Santa beneath the tree which magically appeared during the night. My Mom and her sisters always told that it was the same for them. It would be revealed when they were older that an Aunt knitted the sweaters and socks and Poppa made the doll beds and Mamma made the bedding for the doll beds. For toys in any season, we children were encouraged to make our own. Someone in the family was always the ‘greatest carpenter’ or such to show us how the first time. Then we were on our own to make replacements. This article than is about some of my favorite toys. One of the easiest was a thing called the ‘Whimmy Diddle’. I have one yet, thanks to a Swiss friend who visited our family some fifteen years ago. One needs a piece of wood [actually three pieces of wood] about twelve to eighteen inches long. We called it the ‘rattle stick’. Another piece of wood about eight to ten inches long. And, the third piece, called the ‘propeller’ was made thin, somewhere between four and eight inches long and up to an inch wide. Maybe, a shade wider. This third piece has a drilled hole in the center [be sure that it is balanced]. It is then nailed to one end of the ‘rattle stick’. The propeller must be very light and must rotate freely on the nail. The ‘rattle stick’ is made with notches regularly along the stick. To use the ‘Whimmy Diddle’ one rubs the third stick quickly up and down the notched surface on the ‘rattle stick’, which is held horizontal. If at first the propeller doesn’t turn, apply a little finger pressure to the side of the ‘rattle stick’ while rubbing it. With a bit of practice one can change the direction the propeller rotates. Other toys we made for ourselves were ‘Dancing Joes’, which were more difficult to make. Also, we made whistles, boats, and marble runs. However, my favorite two were the ‘Buzz’ toy and the ‘Bull Roarer’. The Buzz toy has been known for ‘time immortal’; certainly at least since there were homesteads. I’m sure y’all have enjoyed the button-on-a-string at Grandma and Grandpa’s. This one is simplicity in itself. You need but a length of string, say 3 feet long, a fairly big button [coat buttons usually work well]. Thread the button onto the string. Walla – a ‘Buzz’ toy. With one end of the string on each hand, fingers through the loops, swing the button until the cord is twisted. With rhythmic movements, pull the cord tight and then slack it. If you’ve followed directions the toy will start buzzing. The ‘BullRoarer’ is the all time favorite. I can still hear it as it swung over my head and I can still feel the vibrations of the string that was attched to the piece of fashioned wood and my fingers. This is another toy that has been passed down for eons in almost every culture. I remember one that was from the Australian Aboriginal People. They called it the ‘Timber Wind Sticks’ or ‘Wife caller’ – the Australian Aboriginal telegraph. The ‘BullRoarer’ is usually a small, flat, tear-drop shaped piece of wood that is attached to a string and spun around above one’s head and it makes a low, whirring, roaring sound, though some say it reminds them of a hummingbird or the spinning propeller of an ancient airoplane. The ‘BullRoarer’ was used as the Aboriginal telephone to warn folks of danger or to warn them away from forbidden sacred sites. You might remember that Crocodile Dundee used a bullroarer as a telephone to call some help. The simplest one I ever made was from a wooden paint stirrer with a hole in the end and a piece of string. Thread the string through this hole and tie it securely and there you have it. Today, I would also use a swivel from my fishing tackle box. If you have enough space, whirl it above your head. If you don’t have much space, swing it around in front of you. Just be very careful you don’t injure someone near to you or get the string wrapped all around your head. Check the string often – if it becomes weak and breaks you have a flying missile which can do harm. Oh, did I mention that you put holes along the paint stirrer? When air passes through the holes it does so at a faster speed than the air that is going around the stirrer itself. This causes the whirring, rushing air sound. The Australian Aborigines drilled holes in different patterns and sizes, thus creating different sounds. They also painted them with their favorite object or animal. When it is whirled through the air while spinning on its own axis, the bullroarer is generating sounds like howls, roars and thundering of animals or spirits. Bullroarers make a fascinating variety of sounds, depending upon the shape, thickness and density of the woods used. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 1078 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus A very good article about the ‘BullRoarer’ byBethe Hagens http://www.duckdigital.net/FOD/FOD1049.html

I'm not sure about their oversight of older cemeteries like this one, but the Illinois Comptroller's Office has oversight over most cemeteries and you can report abandoned or neglected cemeteries to them so they can take care of their oversight. I don't know if a letter or e-mail to them would be the appropriate spot or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peg Crain Luthy" <bilpeg@verizon.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Creekpaum Cemetery > Hi Linda, > > Glad to have some more backing on this, I'm not sure what we should do or > even how to start. > > I am assuming the county has possession of that land since there was once > a church and school located there also. Since posting the first message I > have talked to my brother, he was at Creekpaum about a month ago, he > confirmed it's condition, he said it is very desolate, he compared it to a > moon landing site, all black dirt and mud, all around, the only green spot > is the cemetery itself. > > I got this information from Randy Crain on the laws governing old > cemeteries. > > "This is the law for counties to follow on old cemeteries. I found the > county board has jurisdiction over county cemeteries also." > > http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=757&ChapAct=55%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B70%2F&ChapterID=12&ChapterName=COUNTIES&ActName=Grave+and+Cemetery+Restoration+Act%2E > > Peg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Reichert > To: iljackso@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Creekpaum Cemetery > > > Hi Peg, its been a long time since I was able to do research but I do > still read the lists...I have not been to Creekpaum but I had a > volunteer to there for me and it was a beautiful cemetery. I would > gladly join you in any effort to protect the cemetery. I am very > uneducated as to where to start, but there must be some laws > somewhere....does anyone know who owns the cemetery land? > > :o) Linda > > > On Dec 16, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Peg Crain Luthy wrote: > >> Does anyone know what's going on with the Nighthawk coal mines near >> Creekpaum Cemetery? My aunt was out there today to put flowers on her >> parents graves. She said the road was nearly blocked by tires, and >> someone was standing guard, she asked if it was ok to go down the road >> and was told there was nothing but an old cemetery down there. She was >> allowed to go, but said the tires were across the road when she came >> back out. >> >> She said the mines is really close to the cemetery now, evidence of >> heavy equipment and mud everywhere. >> >> I have four generations of CRAIN grandparents there as well as Henson >> GG grandparents and many other great aunts & uncles, cousins, etc. I >> would hate to see this cemetery destroyed. My husband and I were out >> there one day a couple of years ago and the lime dust from the mining >> trucks was just rolling over the cemetery. I thought then that those >> old stones wouldn't last long under those conditions! >> >> What can be done to insure we can always visit this cemetery, and that >> it will not be destroyed. This is not an abandoned cemetery, it is >> still used occasionally for burials, and has been kept up very nicely. >> >> Peg Crain Luthy >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sad to say but it sounds typical of Jackson County. They (county government) don't seem to care about the cemeteries in their jurisdiction. Woolsey cemetery has been cut off also. You can still get to it if you park on the highway. It now looks like a small forest. You may want to start with the state government. I understand they have a program to help preserve these old cemeteries. George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peg Crain Luthy Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:31 PM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILJACKSO] Creekpaum Cemetery Does anyone know what's going on with the Nighthawk coal mines near Creekpaum Cemetery? My aunt was out there today to put flowers on her parents graves. She said the road was nearly blocked by tires, and someone was standing guard, she asked if it was ok to go down the road and was told there was nothing but an old cemetery down there. She was allowed to go, but said the tires were across the road when she came back out. She said the mines is really close to the cemetery now, evidence of heavy equipment and mud everywhere. I have four generations of CRAIN grandparents there as well as Henson GG grandparents and many other great aunts & uncles, cousins, etc. I would hate to see this cemetery destroyed. My husband and I were out there one day a couple of years ago and the lime dust from the mining trucks was just rolling over the cemetery. I thought then that those old stones wouldn't last long under those conditions! What can be done to insure we can always visit this cemetery, and that it will not be destroyed. This is not an abandoned cemetery, it is still used occasionally for burials, and has been kept up very nicely. Peg Crain Luthy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 17 December 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #41 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “One-Room Schools” During my career in public education many of my colleagues taught under teaching licenses which were earned from a two year ‘Normal School’ certificate or began their careers with such licenses. This was particularly true in rural school districts. Many of us can ‘thank our lucky stars’ that we were taught by such folk. These folks, in the main, recognized that education was important and that those who sat in front of them were ‘the future’. There were other traits that they also recognized. That no matter the academic ability of the pupil there was a ‘place’ within the community for their ‘skills’. As a group the teachers who began as ‘Normal School’ graduates were the most dedicated toward their charges as I have ever encountered in twenty-one years in administration. Most of those wonderful folk have passed on to their ‘rewards’ but they are remembered by some like me. As we, my family and I, have traveled around this wide nation, we have seen abandoned one-room school houses. Out in the most remote places of our ‘outback’ there are some still in use. Some are preserved to illustrate ‘how it was’. The majority have been totally abandoned or used as storage houses for farm equipment or grain. Still others have been ‘recycled’ as homes, craft shops, boy scout meeting-houses, Grange buildings, etc. Some still have black iron pump handles which rise above the quack grass. Some school houses still have an out-house or two marking the back corners of the school lot. Usually they tilt off center. School yards were usually on one acre lots with fence posts to mark the boundaries. There might be a lean-to or attached room used for a woodshed or coal house, for the school would have been heated by a fireplace or a stove which was the teacher’s responsibility. The earliest school’s purpose, in New England, was to instruct in Bible reading and though religion, morality and knowledge were the main objectives the Ordinances of 1785 and 1787 defined that public education was a public responsibility and shall be supported by the resident public. The Ordinance of 1785 reserved Section 16 in the township form of land division for the financial support of public education, while the Ordinance of 1787 stated that “Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” In Ohio after the state incorporated school districts [usually into six or seven sections], the resident populace took over control, as ‘shareholders’. Thus, school houses became the center of community activity. Running and maintaining them was the responsibility of the residents. As community buildings they served the populace as churches and/or meeting halls as well. School programs were big social events at one-room schools. Parents and other community members came to programs, often monthly, to see what the students were learning. Many programs centered around holidays. Normally dancing or card playing were not allowed. However, outside games certainly were in vogue. Often the raised area at one end of the room might be used as a stage. Curtains often were sheets hung across the front of the room. Christmas programs were often standing room only. The overflowing audience gathered to see children perform in plays, recite memorized poems, and sing, in duets and choruses. Following these events everyone ate of the bountiful refreshments brought by those attending. Other activities involved box socials, pie socials, even penny socials to help offset the expenses of running the schools. Sometimes these would last into the evenings and kerosene lanterns would be hung from trees. Many a young lad ‘sparkin’ would bid on his ‘girls’ box for along with outbidding rivals and such, came the right of eating with the female who had cooked food and fixed the box. Schoolhouses were cooperatives and work was a community effort. In one NWOhio case a farmer had donated windows and doors to his neighborhood school building. When he and the ‘Board’ differed and he became disenfranchised, he on a weekend removed his donated materials. The court said that wasn’t allowed and restitution was to be made. Before iron stoves, there were stone and mud fireplaces. Homemade plain writing tables lined the walls. Students sat on wooden benches with the only light being furnished by windows that the students faced. If you are old enough to have attended a one-room school or have visited a preserved one, you will remember black boards, framed pictures [usually of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln] and lamps on the walls. These were ‘modern’ additions to the first school houses. In the earlier ones the wind whistled through cracks and the air was smoke from the fireplaces. Students wrote on slate or homemade paper with quill pens. Most school materials were home made. Books were few, though there was most likely a Bible and maybe, a dictionary. If the building was also used for church services hymnals might be found. Numbers [or sums] were practiced using charcoal on birchbark or on slates using slate pencils. And, now we are back to the beginning. The instructors were ‘schoolmasters’ or ‘schoolmarms’ and these folks were responsible for more than just teaching reading and numbers. They stoked the fire each day and filled the kerosene lanterns. They had few belongings and often found ‘room and board’ with the parents of their charges on a rotating basis. They could not be married. Think of the added expenses. [grin] The one point made, teachers were dedicated to teach and most parents were supportive. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 931 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus

Friends, I would also start looking at the laws that do or don't cover the disposition of cemeteries in Jackson County and Illinois in general, and contact state and local officials. Aren't they supposed to protect the interests of the people, not corporations? Is or was the cemetery ever associated with a church and does that church still exist? I would also alert the news media and get them out to take photographs and interview families with loved ones buried in that cemetery. Unfortunately this is an old story across the country. The lucky ones are removed to other cemeteries. The not so lucky are plowed under. Good luck. Shirley Maul

Thank you Shirley, yes there was a church and school associated with this cemetery, both are long gone however their is a memorial to the church and the old church steps still located on the property. I believe the church itself was disbanded. Thank you for your ideas, they are very much appreciated! Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Maul To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Law and politicians Friends, I would also start looking at the laws that do or don't cover the disposition of cemeteries in Jackson County and Illinois in general, and contact state and local officials. Aren't they supposed to protect the interests of the people, not corporations? Is or was the cemetery ever associated with a church and does that church still exist? I would also alert the news media and get them out to take photographs and interview families with loved ones buried in that cemetery. Unfortunately this is an old story across the country. The lucky ones are removed to other cemeteries. The not so lucky are plowed under. Good luck. Shirley Maul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Glad to have some more backing on this, I'm not sure what we should do or even how to start. I am assuming the county has possession of that land since there was once a church and school located there also. Since posting the first message I have talked to my brother, he was at Creekpaum about a month ago, he confirmed it's condition, he said it is very desolate, he compared it to a moon landing site, all black dirt and mud, all around, the only green spot is the cemetery itself. I got this information from Randy Crain on the laws governing old cemeteries. "This is the law for counties to follow on old cemeteries. I found the county board has jurisdiction over county cemeteries also." http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=757&ChapAct=55%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B70%2F&ChapterID=12&ChapterName=COUNTIES&ActName=Grave+and+Cemetery+Restoration+Act%2E Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Reichert To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Creekpaum Cemetery Hi Peg, its been a long time since I was able to do research but I do still read the lists...I have not been to Creekpaum but I had a volunteer to there for me and it was a beautiful cemetery. I would gladly join you in any effort to protect the cemetery. I am very uneducated as to where to start, but there must be some laws somewhere....does anyone know who owns the cemetery land? :o) Linda On Dec 16, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Peg Crain Luthy wrote: > Does anyone know what's going on with the Nighthawk coal mines near > Creekpaum Cemetery? My aunt was out there today to put flowers on her > parents graves. She said the road was nearly blocked by tires, and > someone was standing guard, she asked if it was ok to go down the road > and was told there was nothing but an old cemetery down there. She was > allowed to go, but said the tires were across the road when she came > back out. > > She said the mines is really close to the cemetery now, evidence of > heavy equipment and mud everywhere. > > I have four generations of CRAIN grandparents there as well as Henson > GG grandparents and many other great aunts & uncles, cousins, etc. I > would hate to see this cemetery destroyed. My husband and I were out > there one day a couple of years ago and the lime dust from the mining > trucks was just rolling over the cemetery. I thought then that those > old stones wouldn't last long under those conditions! > > What can be done to insure we can always visit this cemetery, and that > it will not be destroyed. This is not an abandoned cemetery, it is > still used occasionally for burials, and has been kept up very nicely. > > Peg Crain Luthy > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peg, its been a long time since I was able to do research but I do still read the lists...I have not been to Creekpaum but I had a volunteer to there for me and it was a beautiful cemetery. I would gladly join you in any effort to protect the cemetery. I am very uneducated as to where to start, but there must be some laws somewhere....does anyone know who owns the cemetery land? :o) Linda On Dec 16, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Peg Crain Luthy wrote: > Does anyone know what's going on with the Nighthawk coal mines near > Creekpaum Cemetery? My aunt was out there today to put flowers on her > parents graves. She said the road was nearly blocked by tires, and > someone was standing guard, she asked if it was ok to go down the road > and was told there was nothing but an old cemetery down there. She was > allowed to go, but said the tires were across the road when she came > back out. > > She said the mines is really close to the cemetery now, evidence of > heavy equipment and mud everywhere. > > I have four generations of CRAIN grandparents there as well as Henson > GG grandparents and many other great aunts & uncles, cousins, etc. I > would hate to see this cemetery destroyed. My husband and I were out > there one day a couple of years ago and the lime dust from the mining > trucks was just rolling over the cemetery. I thought then that those > old stones wouldn't last long under those conditions! > > What can be done to insure we can always visit this cemetery, and that > it will not be destroyed. This is not an abandoned cemetery, it is > still used occasionally for burials, and has been kept up very nicely. > > Peg Crain Luthy > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I probably sound cynical but I wouldn't hold out much hope for your ancestors' cemetery to last. One of my ancestors' cemeteries in Jackson Co. was CLEARLY marked on plat maps. However, the "powers that be" destroyed it when Cedar Lake was built. In other words, some of my ancestors (including the graves of at least 2 children) are now at the bottom of Cedar Lake. Apparently, "progress" is more important than respecting graves. At the very least, I feel that my ancestors' should have been exhumed and reburied. None of us descendants have even been given an apology for what was done to the graves of our ancestors. Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance!

Does anyone know what's going on with the Nighthawk coal mines near Creekpaum Cemetery? My aunt was out there today to put flowers on her parents graves. She said the road was nearly blocked by tires, and someone was standing guard, she asked if it was ok to go down the road and was told there was nothing but an old cemetery down there. She was allowed to go, but said the tires were across the road when she came back out. She said the mines is really close to the cemetery now, evidence of heavy equipment and mud everywhere. I have four generations of CRAIN grandparents there as well as Henson GG grandparents and many other great aunts & uncles, cousins, etc. I would hate to see this cemetery destroyed. My husband and I were out there one day a couple of years ago and the lime dust from the mining trucks was just rolling over the cemetery. I thought then that those old stones wouldn't last long under those conditions! What can be done to insure we can always visit this cemetery, and that it will not be destroyed. This is not an abandoned cemetery, it is still used occasionally for burials, and has been kept up very nicely. Peg Crain Luthy

O'siyo Folks, Mrs Lula [nee Whittenberg] Layman was mentioned in the obituary for my 2nd Great Grandma Martha Ann CRENSHAW Benson Whittenberg who died 18 July 1917 in Benton, IL. Is anyone researching the LAYMAN family who could give me some background information? Wado [Thank You], Bill Oliver Little Egypt Heritage -=-

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 10 December 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #40 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Day of Infamy” This past week witnessed the passing of an event that I remember, though I was not on the spot to witness it. However, the number of those who did witness the “Day of Infamy” are rapidly disappearing from this plane. The 7th of December 1941 has two associations for me. The first was sitting on a hill overlooking the harbor in Bermuda. I could see the harbor and beyond. My interest was being captivated by a ‘tender’ re-supplying submarines. They were German U-boats. A bit brazen I’ve always thought. The second event was, of course, the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese Imperial Navy. The organization, ‘Survivors of Pearl Harbor, have met on the seventh of December for many years, but due to their dwindling numbers, many chapters have disbanded and passed their records and assets to other organizations to keep the ‘Day of Infamy’ from totally disappearing. For the survivors of the attack on Pearl Harbor there is no expectation of returning in five years for the 70th anniversary to salute their friends who did not survive. One man was quoted as saying, “We’re like the dodo bird, we’re almost extinct.” Sixty-eight years ago, when the Civil War Veterans, both the Blue and the Grey, met, they shook hands marking the passing of that generation. “Time Marches On”, the newsreels used to say, and as such, the collective memory fades. Those who have lived during most of the 20th century have this fading feeling because some of these events were important to us. Right after World War I there was Armistice Day to commemorate the end to formal hostilities of that war. That day has since been transformed into Veteran’s Day and celebrates all veterans of all wars. Currently most folks are aware of and concerned about fighting in Aphganistan and Iraq while Desert Storm, Vietnam, Korea and World War II are fading in the collective memory in direct proportion to the distance of time to the event. During World War II many of us who were around during that war remember the motto, “Remember Pearl Harbor” posted in many places. To this the ‘survivors’ added, “Keep America Alert”. This year, Tom Brokaw keynoted the ceremony and spoke, reiterating that those who came of age during the Great Depression and World War II were of “The Greatest Generation”. My parents were of that generation and I would agree with Mr. Brokaw. Mr Brokaw further said that, “America in an instant became the land of the indivisible.” Another true statement. Even the children felt part of the whole by saving ‘tin foil’, string, etc., etc. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 439 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 3 December 2006 Vol 5 Issue: #39 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Severe Weather” When Mom and her sisters’ families would get together, the men would form a circle and get into ‘discussions’. This week’s weather got me to remembering ‘discussions’ on who had it the toughest getting to school in winter. As my ‘Sainted’ Father oft said to me, “I know not how the truth may be, but I tell the tale as ‘twas happen to me.” For some of us living in the ‘Good Ole USA’ Mother Nature has given us a change of pace when it comes to our weather. Last week it was rather balmy in many parts of the country. A day or so ago there were a few spots in the ‘mid-west’ which were experiencing dropping temperatures and rain making for layers of ice. On Friday morning as I was traveling about twenty miles south of my home, it had been raining for the night hours and apparently the skies had opened and let much water fall upon the earth. Traveling my four lane roadway south it felt as if the road was paved on a strip of barely high ground across a gigantic lake. Water in the fields was nearly to the road. Inexperienced drivers in their SUVs were taking to skimming [hydroplaning] on the road surfaces, falling into ditches and taking out trees instead of coming to a standstill on the road surfaces. By afternoon snow had begun to fall in some places west and east, north and south of the tear duct of Lake Erie, leaving only the damage from high winds for us to suffer. Kansas City, Missouri, friends were reporting layers of ice before their snow began to fall, and they received some inches of the white stuff. Nebraska has some real stories about snow that frequented that state. For an interesting read about the legendary snow of 1888 in Nebraska go to the second URL listed in the Post Script following this article. Northwestern Ohioans will remember the ‘Blizzard of 1978' when the Ohio National Guardsmen plowed over vehicles because they couldn’t tell the difference between snow drifts and snow covered vehicles. However, this article will concentrate on material that is remembered from one of the writings of Jon Musgrave of Southern Illinois [Marion, Williamson County, I believe]. In 1967 enough snow fell in Chicago to paralyze the economic life in that great city – 23 inches of the white stuff. Enough snow to get Uncles George, Chuck and Paul and my Dad to telling ever greater stories about walking to school through snow like that of the Nebraska snow storm of 1888 referred to above. However, the Granddaddy of all snow storms that have crossed my reading eyes was labeled the ‘Winter of the Deep Snow’. Long before there was a US Weather Bureau to verify the facts – 1830/32 – snow was so deep, the cold so intense, lasting the longest since the retreat of the last glacier. Yet, even there, there is a debate about the bitter winter of 1777/78 at Valley Forge. This debate was instigated by Revolutionary War Veterans who sat around remembering that winter. At any rate, the ‘Winter of the Deep Snow’ in Southern Illinois laid a blanket of snow three feet with six foot drifts. Enough snow to make bear claw marks on the trees seem nearly fifteen feet from the ground. The storm lasted two months and the high winds shut families indoors and travelers were snowbound wherever they got caught. Locals used the memory of this storm as qualification for membership in ‘Old Settlers’ organizations and the designation as ‘Snow Bird’. Stories of this storm were repeated all the way to the Pacific Ocean and the ‘Snow Bird Badge’ was said to be so highly prized that it couldn’t be bought for a ‘hundred turkeys’ in Oregon. Among the ‘Old Settlers’ was none other than Abraham Lincoln who ‘celebrated’ that ‘Deep Snow’ about ten miles southeast of Decatur, Illinois. Reportedly, a cold rain began five days prior to Christmas 1830, then alternating to sleet or snow until the day following Christmas. At this point accumulation was reported to be six inches. A wild and furious wind [gale probably] piled snow drifts up to a man’s waist. Then it rained some more, freezing and forming a crust of ice before a few more inches of light snow. The surface was discribed as strong enough to hold ‘team and sled’. [This is how a bear could appear to be as tall as fifteen feet in these neck of the woods.] The North Wind, night and day, blew ‘heavy for weeks’ [a couple anyway] and the temperature never rose above ten below zero. Blowing snow stung the eyes and face and the cold wind stopped the breath of anyone who dared to go outside. Chunks of wind driven snow went through the chinks of cabins [so ‘twas said]. Those who didn’t have firewood cut and stacked close by, or corn and wheat for food for beast and man had problems figuring how to retrieve these things because any path made in the snow was filled in, in a matter of minutes. The sharpness of deer hoofs could cut through the crust and entrap the animals. Buffalo also were trapped in the snow and perished. It is ‘said’ that this ‘Winter of the Deep Snow’ finished the buffalo east of the Mississippi. Hunters and wolves found it easy pickings. Now that was a winter to tell stories about. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 902 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/snowstorms.html http://www.olden-times.com/oldtimenebraska/n-dtaylor/blizzard.html Jon Musgrave has a web presence called ‘illinoishistory’

Dale, There are still many McGuire's in the county and in the Makanda area, and a McGuire's Orchard that has been here forever. I would do a search for them in Makanda and Carbondale on http://www.zabasearch.com/ and give some of them a call to find out who in the family is into family history. Good luck! Juli Claussen On 12/2/2006 2:25:05 PM, Dale Schmitz (d.schmitz@comcast.net) wrote: > Hi List, > > I am helping out on a project for someone else and am looking for > information on any McGuires in Jackson County. In the 1870s to 1920 it > looks like a good many of them were in the Makanda area. It appears that > a > couple of the girls married into the PEAK and THOMAS family also in > Makanda. > > The family was > John Sr b 1840 Ohio > Nancy M also known as Mary?? b abt 1844 > Thristan Ann a grand daughter > Edward b 1879 > Orvil P b 1881 > Lousia b 1882 > Jennie b abt 1884 > James b 1888 > Anna M. b 1875 Married Joseph PEAK > Clola b 1869 Married William THOMAS > > Joseph and Anna had 2 children, Joseph was a Constable (police man I > assume) > Edna b 1891 > James W. b 1895 > > Any info would be great. > > Dale > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message