I'm searching for my mother's half brother Clifton Evans. He was b. 1914 in I believe Herrin, Ill. father: John Evans b. England abt. 1881. He "high-tailed" it back to Eng. abt. start of the 1st WW. mother: Catherine Sarah "Cassie" Conaway Turner Culbourth Evans Prather "whew"! This is the only census I can find him: 1930 Federal Census. Ill., Sangamon Co., Springfield. N. 13th St. 1116/91/92 Hayes, Ernest head 26 Ill. Ill. Ill. Was 23 at first marriage. Was watchmaker in watch factory. Hayes, Mabel wife-h 28 Mo. Mo. Mo. (Actually Mo. Ill. Ill.) Was 15 at first marriage. Ewing, Leslie step-son 12 Ill. Ill. Mo. Ewing, Frank L. step-son 9 Ill. Ill. Mo. Evans, Clifton brother-in-law 16 Ill. England Mo. (Actually Ill Eng Ill.) Was caster in a shoe factory. Richard

We have a lock of hair from our great grandma along with our great grandpa civil war discharge. He died in 1917 and she died in 1918. Both are in good condition and they are in the same envelope they were put in all those years ago. Lin -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joel S. Russell Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:14 AM To: germans-stlouis@rootsweb.com; iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILJACKSO] Lock of hair Hello all, I wondered if anyone had information on how best to protect a lock of hair? Perhaps this isn't a genealogy question, but I have a lock of my great-grandfather's hair that my great-grandmother cut right after he died. He was 28 years old when he died in 1907. The lock of hair along with a 1907 nickel were kept together in an envelope. I'd like to find a way to protect the hair which appears to be in good shape, although I'm not sure if the color has been shaded by time and chemicals from the paper and nickel. Thank you. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I wondered if anyone had information on how best to protect a lock of hair? Perhaps this isn't a genealogy question, but I have a lock of my great-grandfather's hair that my great-grandmother cut right after he died. He was 28 years old when he died in 1907. The lock of hair along with a 1907 nickel were kept together in an envelope. I'd like to find a way to protect the hair which appears to be in good shape, although I'm not sure if the color has been shaded by time and chemicals from the paper and nickel. Thank you. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

Hi Joel, One way to preserve the lock of hair would be to display it in a shadow box, along with the 1905 nickel and a photograph of your great-grandfather (and any other memorabilia you might have that would go along with the display). Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss@mindspring.com> To: <germans-stlouis@rootsweb.com>; <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Lock of hair > Hello all, > > I wondered if anyone had information on how best to protect a lock of > hair? Perhaps this isn't a genealogy question, but I have a lock of > my great-grandfather's hair that my great-grandmother cut right after > he died. He was 28 years old when he died in 1907. The lock of hair > along with a 1907 nickel were kept together in an envelope. I'd like > to find a way to protect the hair which appears to be in good shape, > although I'm not sure if the color has been shaded by time and > chemicals from the paper and nickel. > > Thank you. > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

The internet is a great place: a few words in Google got me to - <http://www.hairworksociety.org/> It's an organization dedicated to Victorian hairwork jewelry! (There was a lot of it) and seems to abound in information. If this weren't a busy week I'd spend a morning there, since I've also got some locks of hair I'd like to preserve. But they may not be that fragile. Just the other night I saw a TV show about bodies found in peat bogs in Ireland - with abundant hair still in place on their heads. Good luck! Judy On Jan 25, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > Hello all, > > I wondered if anyone had information on how best to protect a lock of > hair? Perhaps this isn't a genealogy question, but I have a lock of > my great-grandfather's hair that my great-grandmother cut right after > he died. He was 28 years old when he died in 1907. The lock of hair > along with a 1907 nickel were kept together in an envelope. I'd like > to find a way to protect the hair which appears to be in good shape, > although I'm not sure if the color has been shaded by time and > chemicals from the paper and nickel. > > Thank you. > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 21 January 2007 Vol 6 Issue: #03 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “What’s In Your Attic?” “This is the most valuable thing I have ever possessed.” [Ye-Whell-Come-Tetsa, 1815] Though I believe he was speaking of color in the blah days of winter, the expression could easily apply to today’s topic. The expression, “What’s In Your Attic?” was recently spoken and used in an article by Lolita Thayer Guthrie with the word “Township” inserted between ‘Your’ and ‘Attic’. This was a theme she brought to the Ohio Township Trusties meeting last week. Township Trusties were urged to inventory what records they had stored away in various places and thus, mostly forgotten. In taking inventory of records that our Genealogical Society has in its possession, we too have records that we have laid aside for one reason or another and effectively ‘forgotten’. We, individuals, also have places where ‘treasures’ have been stored for ‘eons’ and have been out of sight, thus out of mind. How about that toy steam engine you had as a youngster? Where is it now? Or, that coronet that your Dad once played? Did Grandma sell it after rediscovering it years later in her attic? Just think of what was in Booth’s trunk. [Last week’s article: “A Venegère was found in Booth’s things.”] I can just imagine this on e-Bay. Things like this do happen to find their way into garage/yard sales or flea-markets. How many of your family’s things, including pictures are being sold? Some of us do not have attics, so we use our basements. These are subject to flooding in many cases. My family really had neither during many of the years I lived with my parents. We did have trunks though – and overseas shipping crates. Each time we would move, these would be re-packed and used for the next destination. Dad, being a Marine, had trunks – green ones. I still have one that he used when he was stationed in Bermuda before and at the start of World War II. The lid has pictures of my sister as a toddler pasted to the inside. In these trunks, sister and I kept those things we treasured. One of the items in my ‘treasure chest’ was a Mickey Mouse bank in the form of a trunk. Grandma Lester got it at the World’s Fair in Chicago [I think it was Chicago] – memory is going and the bank was recently given to one of my children with a page of information about its origin and so on. I’ve a ‘Lindy’ bank in the form of a bust of the aviator. This will go to one of our sons. It lacks the plate which locked it up. It was lost many years ago when this son was using it to play with. Above I mentioned Dad’s coronet. Well, I don’t have any musical instruments except a harmonica. Yet, I do have something from Grandma Oliver’s attic hanging on my wall. It’s a cow horn that she used to call Grandpa in from the fields when it was time to eat. She could make some notes on it, but a bugle player I’m not, so I can only make noise with it. Every so often it is re-discovered by a grandchild who then entices me to ‘blow’ on it. It is now over one hundred years old. As for the harmonica, well, I have a grandson who is both learning to whistle [driving his family crazy] and play the harmonica as proficiently. Maybe that Hohner Chromonica ought to go to him. This is my second one. I had one while I was in service with Uncle Sam. I still have the case for it but the instrument had disappeared so I finally replaced it. Recently in my area a cardboard suitcase was auctioned off for the grand sum of $27.50. It was bid on without any knowledge of its contents. As it turned out it contained more than five hundred letters between two high school sweethearts. They were dated in the 1940s, during World War II. What a treasure!! Well, the story has a most happy finale – with some ‘research’ a son of this couple was located locally and these letters were given back to the ‘family’ where they truly belong. Recently I opened a box that was given to me that belonged to my Dad. My sister had dropped it off to me not long following Dad’s passing. It was full of the slides my Dad took of our family. I started scanning them on a flat bed scanner with an adaptor, but the results are not to my satisfaction. These slides are of one family which began in the very early 1930s through most of the 1990s. The reproduction and preservation of them deserves better, so I’m now searching for a scanner dedicated to copying slides and other film. I began this preservation of old photographs some years ago with my Mother’s picture albums. These old pictures are brittle and fading, yet with modern technologies I have been restoring them to look as they did when they were first printed. Computers, scanners and software are miraculous today and improving every year. One other ‘attic’ I’d like to mention. That is the ‘attic’ of your local historical and/or genealogy society. These small town groups have often preserved local newspapers that can be read in their headquarters. Well, even if the headquarters are someone’s room off their living room, they are accessable. Many of these societies do not have large memberships nor monies aplenty, but they sure have hearts that are ‘deep’ and burst with excitement when folks come ‘a visitin’ to learn what is there. My very best to Art Buchwald as he journeys upward. I think his self published obituary in the clip at the New York Times newspaper says it best – “Hi, I’m Art Buchwald, and I just died.” e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 928 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus “This is the most valuable thing I have ever possessed.” Ye-Whell-Come-Tetsa, 1815 Archived articles: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ilmassac

First, let me thank Karima, Carol, and Tom so much for being genealogy "care givers". I used Tom's Gedcom file on Rootsweb to obtain information on the Cutrell family. Rosie md. William S. Conaway 1891 in Desoto. > Rootsweb at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=shawcross My grandmother Catherine Sarah Conaway was William's sister born Jan 1884 (from later census & documents) in Oraville, Jackson Co. The father, Leander R. Conaway: > - 12 Dec 1868: Leander CONAWAY & Mrs. Sarah S. (DOWNS) MONTGOMERY > married in Murphysboro, Jackson Co., Ill. Witness, John GLOVER Clerk > of Co. Court. Presiding official George S. POMEROY M. G. L. S. Sarah > was the daughter of Thomas and Martha G. (Elmore) DOWNS. In 1870 they are in Union Co's Rich Precinct, Lick Creek. > 1880 Federal Census, Illinois, Jackson Co, Carbondale Twp, Dist 44. > Taken on 26 June, 1880. > 499/510 3 bedroom house 1 servant. > Conoway, Leander m 30 head works on farm Ga - -. > Conoway, Sarah f 30 wife keeping house Ill - Ga. > Conoway, Manerva f 11 dau at home Ill Ga Ill. > Conoway, William m 7 son at home Ill Ga Ill. > Conoway, Alma m 5 dau at home Ill Ga Ill. > Robinson, Raliegh m 3 son at home Ill Ga Ill. > McKissick, John m 25 boarder worked on farm disabled Ill - -. > Vaughn, Chris m 23 boarder works on farm Ill - -. > Roberts, James m 18 boarder works on farm Ill - -. > Roberts, Daly f 17 servant servant Ill - -. In 1900 they are in Missouri, Cape Girardeau. > 20Jan1941 "Carbondale deaths 1877-1952" William CONAWAY (Married) b. > IJan1873, Anna; son Lee CONAWAY, b. Il & ____ (DOWNS) CONAWAY, b. > Cottage Home; d.20Jan1941, Carbondale; bur Oakland Cem, Carbondale in > block 15, lot 19, space 2. Spouse: Emma CONAWAY. He is buried in a > single grave with no marker. I believe Manerva is also buried at Oakland Cemetery. Died 5/9/1881. Information on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. Richard Lentz of Williamson Co. (live in Fl. now) >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams, Drake, Bradshaw, Warren, Kimbell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/332.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've had a computer crash and trying to reproduce all information and store it to ancestor .com Could you be so kind and send the info on Julia Bradshaw again? Bill Adams

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lindsay, Lindsey, Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/739/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for info on their children: George W. Lindsey 1874-1957, Hollie Albert Leighton 1877-1955, Florence Ellen 1880-1936. I have especially had difficulty with George W., as I haven't been able to find any census records. I know he was married at least twice and died in California. Any help would be appreciated.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 14 January 2007 Vol 6 Issue: #02 ISBN: pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Ciphers” How many folks have heard of a “Scytale” or “Skytale” as it is sometimes called. It was first used in 486/7 by the Spartens. Well, even that is not quite accurate. It was mentioned by the Greek, Archilochus, in the 7th century BC, but its use was not really known until Apollonius of Rhodes (middle of the 3rd century BC) that a clear indication of its use as a cryptographic device appeared. It wasn’t until Mestrius Plutarch that people understood exactly how it worked. It took another three centuries before this scholarly historian explained it to the world by writing it down. Simply put, a strip of ‘writing material’ was wound slantwise around a staff so that the edges met and a message was written across the material. The strip was then removed and sent to its destination. Without the matching edges it appeared to be just random letters; however, when wound around an identical staff at its destination, a message unfolded. Even earlier, substitution ciphers were used. Julius Caesar used this type of cipher. Following Caesar, ciphers dwindled in use until the Renaissance. In 1563, Porta used a cipher in which the use of a key word or phrase made the message more difficult to read. Instead of simple substitution he used a system where the replacement symbol constantly changed. In 1587, Vigenère made improvements to this system. Calling the Vigenères Tableau the Vicksburg Code, it was used by the southern army because it was simple enough that a person could reproduce the working square from memory. Though long key phrases are considered better, short ones could be memorized. Samuel B Morse, utilizing substitution principles, was working on a numerical code for use with the electric telegraph in 1836. His cipher was truly a cipher not a code. In codes words or phrases are replaced by a word that is meaningless; whereas, a cipher is an exchange of symbols for each letter. The creator of the detective story and the modern short story, Edgar Allen Poe, worked on ‘secret writing’ in the late 1830s and early 1840s. He announced “that human ingenuity cannot construct a cipher which human ingenuity cannot resolve.” The “Gold Bug”, published in 1843, is a sample of this strange Virginian’s use of cryptographic learnings. Modern cryptographic puzzles in puzzle magazines are based on his teachings – that simple substitution ciphers can be resolved by using the frequency of letter occurrences as a means for revealing cryptic messages. Poe’s genius went beyond substitution ciphers. In his articles on the subject he altered the ‘skytale’ message by slipping part of the wound-up strip into a cone until the correct diameter of the original staff was located. Albert J Myer, J E B Stuart and E P Alexander were commander and students of the United States Signal Corps. At the outbreak of the American Civil War, Major Myer became the one man Signal Corps, for the two students became Confederates. Both of these students went on to gain greater eminence. Still Major Myer wrote the ‘manuals’ on the American ‘official’ text of secret writing. His works stated that nearly anything could be used to convey a secret message. He created a pictographic cipher based on “ludicrous sketches of little figures of men”. Sir Conan Doyle, in “The Adventure of the Dancing Men”, used stick figures that Sherlock Holmes had to de-cipher. Those interested in this subject may find William R Plum’s book, “The Military Telegraph During the Civil War”, interesting reading. Major Myer used “Route Ciphers” and Mr Plum’s book gives material on this varient of the ‘skytale’ invented by Anson Stager, a telegraph company superintendent, and used by General McClellan early in that war. This was so successful that the Confederates printed the coded messages in newspapers hoping that readers might find solutions. The Virginian creator of short stories [Poe] had passed [died] and the codes were left un-decoded. Though the Confederates used the Vigenère and created elaborate combination ciphers for their messages, the Union telegraph operators were able to decipher them without knowing the key. Having copies of the same dictionary, General Abner Doubleday writes in his book on Fort Sumter that he corresponded with his brother in the North using the ‘dictionary code’ that Edgar Allen Poe mentioned in his writings. Sometimes, due to the urgency of time, simplicity and ingenuity is utilized. See if you can figure this combination use of ‘backward’ language and phonetics: “City Point, VA., 8:30 a.m., April 3, 1865 “TINKER, WAR DEPARTMENT: A LINCOLN ITS IN FUME A IN HYMN TO START I ARMY TREATING THERE POSSIBLE IF OF CUT TOO FORWARD PUSHING IS HE IS SO ALL RICHMOND AUNT CONFINE IS ANDY EVACUATED PETERSBURG REPORTS GRANT MORNING THIS WASHINGTON SECRETARY WAR.” No?? Try it a little faster. Well, this subject could go on for many more pages; however, this is long enough. And, suffice it to say that even the tragic death of our President following the Civil War involved ciphers. A Venegère was found in Booth’s things. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 842 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus “He hears voices others do not hear; sees visions that confirm his dreams.” – Eagle Old Man Archived articles: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ilmassac

Hi George, That is precisely why I get a bit uneasy when DNA is brought up on lists I administer. Eventually someone will post a commercial site and $$$$ involved, etc. Glad there were some members on the list who could help you with basic information. Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Basden" <gebasden@charter.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION > My thanks to all those that responded. Karima, using that link I did up > finding a site that can do the DNA to test to see if cousins are actually > siblings or half siblings. However, the test is over $1500. On that basis, > I think I will be satisfied to know that my cousin is my cousin rather than > my half brother. After that we share the same line going back. >

My thanks to all those that responded. Karima, using that link I did up finding a site that can do the DNA to test to see if cousins are actually siblings or half siblings. However, the test is over $1500. On that basis, I think I will be satisfied to know that my cousin is my cousin rather than my half brother. After that we share the same line going back. George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of karima@insightbb.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:23 PM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION George, I would suggest that you ask this question on one of the literally hundreds of mailing lists that are specific to DNA research. Almost every surname has one dedicated to it. You can find the one you need by going to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Type in DNA XXXXX (surname) in the search box. Hope this helps, Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Basden" <gebasden@charter.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION > I have a DNA question that I wonder if someone can answer. > > Here is the scenario. > Great Grandparents > Parents > Sons > Grandsons > > PARENTS - A couple has 15 children, 10 boys and 5 girls. > > SONS - Two of the boys both become fathers. Their sons, of course, are > first cousins. I will call them Son A and Son B. > > GRANDSONS - 56 years later and Son A now suspects that his father is his > uncle and that his cousin's (Son B) father is also his father. > > Question here is since all these males are coming straight down the same > line, would a DNA test actually show if Son A and Son B share the same > father or would it be flawed since all are from the same male line? Son A > and Son B have the same great grandfathers since their "fathers" were > brothers. Basically, there is a suspicion that the two first cousins may, > in fact, be half brothers. > > George > Basden Photography > www.basden.com > gebasden@charter.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0702-1, 01/11/2007 > Tested on: 1/11/2007 10:20:38 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George, A quick answer, all sons and their sons as well as their sons, on and on should have the same DNA string. I have the same DNA string as my 5th male cousin, twice removed, and so forth. Randy Crain CRAIN DNA STUDY -------------- Original message -------------- From: <karima@insightbb.com> > George, > > I would suggest that you ask this question on one of the literally hundreds > of mailing lists that are specific to DNA research. Almost every surname > has one dedicated to it. You can find the one you need by going to: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > Type in DNA XXXXX (surname) in the search box. > > Hope this helps, > > Karima > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George E. Basden" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:48 PM > Subject: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION > > > > I have a DNA question that I wonder if someone can answer. > > > > Here is the scenario. > > Great Grandparents > > Parents > > Sons > > Grandsons > > > > PARENTS - A couple has 15 children, 10 boys and 5 girls. > > > > SONS - Two of the boys both become fathers. Their sons, of course, are > > first cousins. I will call them Son A and Son B. > > > > GRANDSONS - 56 years later and Son A now suspects that his father is his > > uncle and that his cousin's (Son B) father is also his father. > > > > Question here is since all these males are coming straight down the same > > line, would a DNA test actually show if Son A and Son B share the same > > father or would it be flawed since all are from the same male line? Son A > > and Son B have the same great grandfathers since their "fathers" were > > brothers. Basically, there is a suspicion that the two first cousins may, > > in fact, be half brothers. > > > > George > > Basden Photography > > www.basden.com > > gebasden@charter.net > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 0702-1, 01/11/2007 > > Tested on: 1/11/2007 10:20:38 PM > > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

The mitochondria part would be different, however, as that comes from the mother. http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 ----- Original Message ----- From: <crainrs@comcast.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION > George, > > A quick answer, all sons and their sons as well as their sons, on and on > should have the same DNA string. I have the same DNA string as my 5th male > cousin, twice removed, and so forth. > > Randy Crain > CRAIN DNA STUDY > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: <karima@insightbb.com> > >> George, >> >> I would suggest that you ask this question on one of the literally >> hundreds >> of mailing lists that are specific to DNA research. Almost every surname >> has one dedicated to it. You can find the one you need by going to: >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >> >> Type in DNA XXXXX (surname) in the search box. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Karima >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George E. Basden" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:48 PM >> Subject: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION >> >> >> > I have a DNA question that I wonder if someone can answer. >> > >> > Here is the scenario. >> > Great Grandparents >> > Parents >> > Sons >> > Grandsons >> > >> > PARENTS - A couple has 15 children, 10 boys and 5 girls. >> > >> > SONS - Two of the boys both become fathers. Their sons, of course, are >> > first cousins. I will call them Son A and Son B. >> > >> > GRANDSONS - 56 years later and Son A now suspects that his father is >> > his >> > uncle and that his cousin's (Son B) father is also his father. >> > >> > Question here is since all these males are coming straight down the >> > same >> > line, would a DNA test actually show if Son A and Son B share the same >> > father or would it be flawed since all are from the same male line? Son >> > A >> > and Son B have the same great grandfathers since their "fathers" were >> > brothers. Basically, there is a suspicion that the two first cousins >> > may, >> > in fact, be half brothers. >> > >> > George >> > Basden Photography >> > www.basden.com >> > gebasden@charter.net >> > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > List Guidelines: >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > --- >> > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. >> > Virus Database (VPS): 0702-1, 01/11/2007 >> > Tested on: 1/11/2007 10:20:38 PM >> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. >> > http://www.avast.com >> > >> > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

George, I would suggest that you ask this question on one of the literally hundreds of mailing lists that are specific to DNA research. Almost every surname has one dedicated to it. You can find the one you need by going to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Type in DNA XXXXX (surname) in the search box. Hope this helps, Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Basden" <gebasden@charter.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] DNA QUESTION > I have a DNA question that I wonder if someone can answer. > > Here is the scenario. > Great Grandparents > Parents > Sons > Grandsons > > PARENTS - A couple has 15 children, 10 boys and 5 girls. > > SONS - Two of the boys both become fathers. Their sons, of course, are > first cousins. I will call them Son A and Son B. > > GRANDSONS - 56 years later and Son A now suspects that his father is his > uncle and that his cousin's (Son B) father is also his father. > > Question here is since all these males are coming straight down the same > line, would a DNA test actually show if Son A and Son B share the same > father or would it be flawed since all are from the same male line? Son A > and Son B have the same great grandfathers since their "fathers" were > brothers. Basically, there is a suspicion that the two first cousins may, > in fact, be half brothers. > > George > Basden Photography > www.basden.com > gebasden@charter.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0702-1, 01/11/2007 > Tested on: 1/11/2007 10:20:38 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > >

I have a DNA question that I wonder if someone can answer. Here is the scenario. Great Grandparents Parents Sons Grandsons PARENTS - A couple has 15 children, 10 boys and 5 girls. SONS - Two of the boys both become fathers. Their sons, of course, are first cousins. I will call them Son A and Son B. GRANDSONS - 56 years later and Son A now suspects that his father is his uncle and that his cousin's (Son B) father is also his father. Question here is since all these males are coming straight down the same line, would a DNA test actually show if Son A and Son B share the same father or would it be flawed since all are from the same male line? Son A and Son B have the same great grandfathers since their "fathers" were brothers. Basically, there is a suspicion that the two first cousins may, in fact, be half brothers. George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net

If you setup a profile on EBay you can also setup a "favorites" list and it will email you anytime a new item comes up with your keyword. I use this and get any items with the words "Willisville" or "Campbell Hill" in them. Of course an entry like "Jackson County" will get you a lot of hits and you'll have to sort through the various states so you need to think about which ones you want to use and how you set it up. Joel Cary, NC (originally from Steeleville) At 09:15 PM 1/10/2007, Mary Riseling wrote: >Speaking of old photos and mementos. Does everyone know that you can go to >www.ebay.com and search for things like "Murphysboro" and "Carbondale" >(actually any town name) and also "Jackson Co., IL" and they will list the >documents for sale on their website. There are currently over 20 things >listed for Murphysboro and many more listed under the Jackson County search >request. They include pictures, publications, etc. Just thought I would >let everyone know. > >Mary Riseling >Springfield, IL >(formerly of Murphysboro)

Speaking of old photos and mementos. Does everyone know that you can go to www.ebay.com and search for things like "Murphysboro" and "Carbondale" (actually any town name) and also "Jackson Co., IL" and they will list the documents for sale on their website. There are currently over 20 things listed for Murphysboro and many more listed under the Jackson County search request. They include pictures, publications, etc. Just thought I would let everyone know. Mary Riseling Springfield, IL (formerly of Murphysboro) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Akakuek@aol.com> To: <Akakuek@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Old Photos: Chamber - Hobbs & Harmon > It greatly saddens me to see so many "old" photos being sold at > flea-markets, antique stores and on auctions... its almost saying the > life of these > people didn't matter. Although I can understand why some are there, as > no name > is given as to whom they are (maybe we can ALL learn from this!)... but > a few > do have names. its those few with names that I have decided to try and > "rescue", and try to find the families they belong to. As I gather > these, I > will post the names online, and you can have them for the price I paid > plus > postage.. deal? > first on the list is: > > 1. Clifford CHAMBERS. 10 years old, taken by Clendenon & Nichols, > Jacksonville, IL. regular photograph, abt 2.5"x3". young boy circa > late 1800s or > early 1900s. > > 2. Ellen HOBBS. tin-type photo in embellished card stock holder. no > photographer listed. written in pencil on back is "Aunt Ellen Hobbs". > photo > size is abt 1.5" x 2", holder is maybe 2x3". > > 3. Evalyn HARMON. tin-type photo in card stock holder. no photographer > listed. photo is abt 1.5" square, holder abt 2x3". > > if any of these people belong to you and you want the picture, please > contact me privately. I only have one of each so first come, first > claimed. > > Jean > akakuek@aol.com > _www.perrycountyillinois.net_ (http://www.perrycountyillinois.net/) > _www.randolphcountyillinois.net_ (http://www.randolphcountyillinois.net/) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Randy, for your suggestion. I think the military census was done in 1861 or 1862 and was of men who were of a certain age (able to fight). I think the 1855 and 1865 census were done by the Sate of Illinois and included all head of households in the state. I have just found out about all of these census, as a result of my posting about my family, so this gives me leads for future research. Life has been too busy lately for me to do much research, but I will keep this information for the future. Thank you for your response! Janis On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:06:47 +0000 crainrs@comcast.net writes: > Janis, > > I do not know if is the military census but the 1855 and 1865 > Illinois State Census are available through the Illinois State > Archives. There are several counties together and the cost was > $20.00 per roll. I have looked at both at the library in Mt Vernon, > Illinois. Some of the counties are very hard to read if you can read > them at all. They only list the families by numbers and age groups > not individual names. What each IRAD has is on line at the Illinois > Archives site. I was there last week and again was told if you know > what you want they will copy and mail it to you for a small copy > fee. > > Randy >

Karima; I have worked with both Juli and with the Historical Society; quite successfully, I might add. I think it just may be time to contact them again regarding Oakland. Their fees were quite reasonable, as I recall. Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance!