Servitude Detailed Information CountyRANDOLPH Name of ServantJANE Name of Other PartyWHITSON, THOMAS SexF RaceN Age0. FileVolume1 Page119 Document TypeEMANCIPATION Amount0.00 Term Date11/22/1835 Remarks Memo"JANE IS FREED, RELEASED AND DISCHARGED FORM ALL SERVICE TO ?, DAVID OR ANY OTHER PERSON CLAIMING UNDER HIM UNDER OR BY VIRTUE AN INDENTURE ENTERED INTO WITH SAID DAVIS." SIGNED BY JOEL MANNING. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Shawcross" <shaw8080@bellsouth.net> > Mary, > Hezekiah DAVIS died in Jackson County on 29 Jan 1834. Possibly, Jane > RANDOLPH had been indentured to him prior to his death, and after his death > her indenture was purchased by Thomas (GASPERSON) WHITSON? > http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Riseling" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:40 PM > Subject: [ILJACKSO] Emancipation Records > > > > Ok, here's another question today. I have in my possession a copy of an > > emanicipation record for a woman named Jane Randolph who appears to have > > sued Thomas Whitson for her emancipation in November of 1835. BUT--in > > reading the document it refers to her indenture to a person named Herekin > > (sp??) Davis. My question is, if she is suing to get emancipation from > > Davis, why is Thomas Whitson listed as the defendant. I believe that the > > Davis listed might be Hezekiah Davis who is listed in the 1830 census but > > no > > slaves or free black persons are listed in the census with his household. > > I > > also don't know the connection to Thomas Whitson because this is the first > > time I have seen his name in ANY docs on Thomas and I have lots of > > documents. > > > > Thoughts?? Suggestions?? Ideas?? > > > > Mary Riseling > > Springfield, IL > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

James EVANS (1803-1962) was born in KY. The Thomas EVANS (1827 - after Jun 1880) who married Phyllis BASEDEN was born in England. Possibly, James and Thomas were related, if one went back far enough, but EVANS is a fairly common name, and I have found no connections between the families. http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Riseling" <riseling@insightbb.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery > George, > > I'm sure our Evans cross somewhere as there were so many of them in > Jackson > County. My Evans was associated with Evans Landing in Grand Tower and he > had a merchant business in Grand Tower as well called Evans and Son. His > son from his first marriage, Marshall A. Evans, took over the business > when > James passed away. If you find a connection let me know. Right now, I > don't have any Baseden (or anything close) in my family file. > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George E. Basden" <gebasden@charter.net> > To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery > > >>I am also interested in the EVANS family. In 1860 there is a Thomas Evans >> and Phyllis/Fillis Evans. Phyllis is actually Phyllis Baseden. They >> were >> married in England in Kent County. Phyllis had a son, Henry Basden, who >> appears to be the son of George and Elizabeth Baseden according to the >> census. In reality he is the son of Phyllis. >> >> It appears that the Evans family and the Basden/Baseden family migrated >> to >> Illinois at the same time frame. The Baseden family from all indications >> and evidence went straight from Kent County, England to Jackson County, >> IL. >> Evidence indicates migration to Illinois was either late 1851 or early >> 1852. >> >> Henry Basden eventually resided over in Sand Ridge while the rest of the >> family was over in the Pomona area. I suspect Henry was an outcast since >> he >> was an illegitimate birth. >> >> Phyllis and Thomas had a son Charles who I believe was named after her >> brother. Charles Baseden was her witness in England when she married >> Thomas. >> >> George >> Basden Photography >> www.basden.com >> gebasden@charter.net >> -----Original Message----- >> From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Carole Morton >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:38 PM >> To: iljackso@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery >> >> Doing a little sleuthing I found a James Evans in the 1860 census but not >> in >> 1870 in Jackson County; his wife Eliza was living with, I believe a son >> from >> a prior marriage. I made an educated guess from the information >> provided below that this might be your James Evans. >> >> From there I went to the IRAD Probate indexed records held in Carbondale >> and found the following entry which might help in the burial location of >> your James Evans. You may already have this information but ...here it >> is >> anyway. >> >> Estate of Evans, James >> Administrator Marshall Evans >> Box 19 File 750 >> Date Feb 21, 1862 >> >> >> Mary Riseling <riseling@insightbb.com> wrote: >> I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but >> I'm >> wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are >> buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial >> location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was >> a >> fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine >> he >> >> is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James >> from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also >> buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the >> cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower >> Township >> but they didn't help either. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Mary Riseling >> Springfield, IL >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> It's here! Your new message! >> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Mary, Hezekiah DAVIS died in Jackson County on 29 Jan 1834. Possibly, Jane RANDOLPH had been indentured to him prior to his death, and after his death her indenture was purchased by Thomas (GASPERSON) WHITSON? http://www.tomshawcross.blogspot.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shawcross&id=I53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Riseling" <riseling@insightbb.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: [ILJACKSO] Emancipation Records > Ok, here's another question today. I have in my possession a copy of an > emanicipation record for a woman named Jane Randolph who appears to have > sued Thomas Whitson for her emancipation in November of 1835. BUT--in > reading the document it refers to her indenture to a person named Herekin > (sp??) Davis. My question is, if she is suing to get emancipation from > Davis, why is Thomas Whitson listed as the defendant. I believe that the > Davis listed might be Hezekiah Davis who is listed in the 1830 census but > no > slaves or free black persons are listed in the census with his household. > I > also don't know the connection to Thomas Whitson because this is the first > time I have seen his name in ANY docs on Thomas and I have lots of > documents. > > Thoughts?? Suggestions?? Ideas?? > > Mary Riseling > Springfield, IL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ok, here's another question today. I have in my possession a copy of an emanicipation record for a woman named Jane Randolph who appears to have sued Thomas Whitson for her emancipation in November of 1835. BUT--in reading the document it refers to her indenture to a person named Herekin (sp??) Davis. My question is, if she is suing to get emancipation from Davis, why is Thomas Whitson listed as the defendant. I believe that the Davis listed might be Hezekiah Davis who is listed in the 1830 census but no slaves or free black persons are listed in the census with his household. I also don't know the connection to Thomas Whitson because this is the first time I have seen his name in ANY docs on Thomas and I have lots of documents. Thoughts?? Suggestions?? Ideas?? Mary Riseling Springfield, IL

George, I'm sure our Evans cross somewhere as there were so many of them in Jackson County. My Evans was associated with Evans Landing in Grand Tower and he had a merchant business in Grand Tower as well called Evans and Son. His son from his first marriage, Marshall A. Evans, took over the business when James passed away. If you find a connection let me know. Right now, I don't have any Baseden (or anything close) in my family file. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Basden" <gebasden@charter.net> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery >I am also interested in the EVANS family. In 1860 there is a Thomas Evans > and Phyllis/Fillis Evans. Phyllis is actually Phyllis Baseden. They were > married in England in Kent County. Phyllis had a son, Henry Basden, who > appears to be the son of George and Elizabeth Baseden according to the > census. In reality he is the son of Phyllis. > > It appears that the Evans family and the Basden/Baseden family migrated to > Illinois at the same time frame. The Baseden family from all indications > and evidence went straight from Kent County, England to Jackson County, > IL. > Evidence indicates migration to Illinois was either late 1851 or early > 1852. > > Henry Basden eventually resided over in Sand Ridge while the rest of the > family was over in the Pomona area. I suspect Henry was an outcast since > he > was an illegitimate birth. > > Phyllis and Thomas had a son Charles who I believe was named after her > brother. Charles Baseden was her witness in England when she married > Thomas. > > George > Basden Photography > www.basden.com > gebasden@charter.net > -----Original Message----- > From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Carole Morton > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:38 PM > To: iljackso@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery > > Doing a little sleuthing I found a James Evans in the 1860 census but not > in > 1870 in Jackson County; his wife Eliza was living with, I believe a son > from > a prior marriage. I made an educated guess from the information > provided below that this might be your James Evans. > > From there I went to the IRAD Probate indexed records held in Carbondale > and found the following entry which might help in the burial location of > your James Evans. You may already have this information but ...here it is > anyway. > > Estate of Evans, James > Administrator Marshall Evans > Box 19 File 750 > Date Feb 21, 1862 > > > Mary Riseling <riseling@insightbb.com> wrote: > I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but > I'm > wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are > buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial > location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was a > fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine > he > > is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James > from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also > buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the > cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower Township > but they didn't help either. > Any help appreciated. > > Mary Riseling > Springfield, IL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carole, Thanks for all the leg work. I have some of the information from the probate files and, unfortunately, there isn't anything in there about where James is buried. Lots of stuff about the sale of his assets and who all bought them which was quite interesting but I couldn't find any receipts for burial records. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Morton" <notrom@yahoo.com> To: <iljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery > Doing a little sleuthing I found a James Evans in the 1860 census but not > in 1870 in Jackson County; his wife Eliza was living with, I believe a son > from a prior marriage. I made an educated guess from the information > provided below that this might be your James Evans. > > From there I went to the IRAD Probate indexed records held in Carbondale > and found the following entry which might help in the burial location of > your James Evans. You may already have this information but ...here it is > anyway. > > Estate of Evans, James > Administrator Marshall Evans > Box 19 File 750 > Date Feb 21, 1862 > > > Mary Riseling <riseling@insightbb.com> wrote: > I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but > I'm > wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are > buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial > location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was a > fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine > he > is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James > from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also > buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the > cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower Township > but they didn't help either. > Any help appreciated. > > Mary Riseling > Springfield, IL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.gendisasters.com This looks like a good URL and you might find out why you have not found an ancestor. It is a long shot and not all disasters are on-line at this time but it does not cost anything to look. --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.

I am also interested in the EVANS family. In 1860 there is a Thomas Evans and Phyllis/Fillis Evans. Phyllis is actually Phyllis Baseden. They were married in England in Kent County. Phyllis had a son, Henry Basden, who appears to be the son of George and Elizabeth Baseden according to the census. In reality he is the son of Phyllis. It appears that the Evans family and the Basden/Baseden family migrated to Illinois at the same time frame. The Baseden family from all indications and evidence went straight from Kent County, England to Jackson County, IL. Evidence indicates migration to Illinois was either late 1851 or early 1852. Henry Basden eventually resided over in Sand Ridge while the rest of the family was over in the Pomona area. I suspect Henry was an outcast since he was an illegitimate birth. Phyllis and Thomas had a son Charles who I believe was named after her brother. Charles Baseden was her witness in England when she married Thomas. George Basden Photography www.basden.com gebasden@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Morton Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:38 PM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Walker Hill Cemetery Doing a little sleuthing I found a James Evans in the 1860 census but not in 1870 in Jackson County; his wife Eliza was living with, I believe a son from a prior marriage. I made an educated guess from the information provided below that this might be your James Evans. From there I went to the IRAD Probate indexed records held in Carbondale and found the following entry which might help in the burial location of your James Evans. You may already have this information but ...here it is anyway. Estate of Evans, James Administrator Marshall Evans Box 19 File 750 Date Feb 21, 1862 Mary Riseling <riseling@insightbb.com> wrote: I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but I'm wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was a fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine he is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower Township but they didn't help either. Any help appreciated. Mary Riseling Springfield, IL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but I'm wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was a fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine he is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower Township but they didn't help either. Any help appreciated. Mary Riseling Springfield, IL

Doing a little sleuthing I found a James Evans in the 1860 census but not in 1870 in Jackson County; his wife Eliza was living with, I believe a son from a prior marriage. I made an educated guess from the information provided below that this might be your James Evans. From there I went to the IRAD Probate indexed records held in Carbondale and found the following entry which might help in the burial location of your James Evans. You may already have this information but ...here it is anyway. Estate of Evans, James Administrator Marshall Evans Box 19 File 750 Date Feb 21, 1862 Mary Riseling <riseling@insightbb.com> wrote: I know there is a a transcript of Walker Hill Cemetery as I have one but I'm wondering if there are records somewhere that might show folks that are buried there that did not get headstones. I am trying to find the burial location for James W. EVANS and his wife, Eliza Whitson Evans. James was a fairly wealthy merchant and land owner in Grand Tower and I can't imagine he is buried someone other than Walker Hill. One of the children of James from his first marriage is buried there and Eliza's first husband is also buried there. I also checked the Pomona Township Transcripts for the cemeteries that were at one time considered a part of Grand Tower Township but they didn't help either. Any help appreciated. Mary Riseling Springfield, IL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 11 March 2007 Vol 6 Issue: #10 ISBN: Pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Brick Walls” I’m not talking about those walls which divide my yard from my neighbor’s. No, I’m talking about those annoyances that prevent us from discovering who Great Grandpa’s Mother is. It is certainly a miracle that every time I find an ancestor I find that I now have two new ‘brick walls’. It is ‘never ending’; discover a new link and inherit two new brick walls. Backing up and then racing toward the new brick wall causes one to crash into the wall, possibly scattering brick every direction. The other result really messes up a good ‘bike’, car, truck or plane. Brick walls need to be disassembled one brick at a time – slowly and carefully. The farther back in time searching goes, the greater the potential error. Everyone has a great grandparent who arrived on earth from outer space – right? Certainly your great great grandmother was identified – as wife! Or, great grandpa had no parents, or great grandma, according to all the records, didn’t have children. You’ve all heard about the man [immigrant] without a country [of origin]. About this time you are convinced that this ancestral brick wall for all their migration left absolutely no ‘paper trail’. You have exhausted the traditional avenues of research and don’t know where to go next. Abandoned your search? Maybe – temporarily, maybe, but you’ll get the curiosity bug again and pick up one of those scattered bricks and scrutinize it carefully. This brick wall is not necessarily the dead end of all dead ends. Careful analyzing each brick in this wall may show a way to dismantle the wall and proceed on to the next ‘brick wall’. Where do you start? Write down what you know. Answer, are these facts or assumptions? What is it that you want to find? Where can the answer(s) be found? How well informed are you as a researcher? Locations have ancestors also. These steps not yet yielding answers? Try collateral lines or neighbors. There might be some surprises lurking there. Still can’t find them? Look at all the neighboring surnames. Pronounce each one a couple of times or more. Any of them ‘sound’ familiar? Surnames have always been spelled as the writer/recorder hears them. Our traveling ancestors did put down roots somewhere – follow the land. In other words, look to the land [records]. And, shucks, you still can’t find them? Well there is always professional help and that is just a clickity-click away. It’s not that I don’t talk these things over with others searching the same lines. However, I’m stubborn and I like the challenge. So – I start over. My current brick wall is a set of second great grandparents, James HARPER and his wife, Rhoda . A county history book says that they arrived in that county in 1833. This history book further says that James married Rhoda (Jackson) Perkins. [Most other researchers of this family list Rhoda’s maiden name as CROSS. So, what is her maiden name?] In reading, researching and making notes it seems that Rhoda HARPER is not an uncommon name. Census records would indicate that they might be born in Tennessee and at least some of their children were born in Tennessee. Since James migrated with a brother named William a search of Tennessee census and tax records revealed that there were two counties that had those two names listed near each other. They were Franklin and Sumner. Well, locating these two counties, one was on the southern boundary of the state and the other was just a bit west but on the northern border of the state. A few letters from distant cousins seemed to echo these things as facts, but documentation eluded proof for nearly thirty years. The Personal Computer began to be utilized and pioneers began to correspond with each other in ‘groups’. ‘Lists’ and ‘bulletin-boards’ came to the fore and new knowledge and clues came to users. Still not much more information was added beyond Grandma Oliver’s wonderful accurate memory until another ten years passed. New cousins were located. One of those cousins wrote a book about the family and in it new clues surfaced. One particular piece of information altered the arrival date into the county by about five years. Thus, in a survey of the new speculated year new questions emerged. Since these were brothers families moving together, were there other families moving with them. A comparison of the 1830 and 1840 census’ showing the appearance of the HARPERs, it was noted that there were other families who might have been neighbors in Tennessee were and also neighbors in Illinois, particularly a SANDERS family. A survey of marriages in this Illinois county showed a Sanders male marrying a Harper female. File that information as potential value. SANDERS researchers said that their ancestors didn’t arrive in the county until 1838 or early 1839. That, of course, was the time frame of a large migration from and through Tennessee, Kentucky, and southern Illinois – the infamous “Trail Where They Cried”. Going back over the many notes once again, two items struck forward almost in neon-flashing-lights. One, a distant cousin of Dad’s gave a one liner; about the ‘red hair’ being ‘knocked out’ of us Irishmen for three generations, explaining the results of our ancestor marrying a Cherokee. The other ‘stand out’ was a small note from a Sanders descendant stating that Nancy HARPER traveled with the Sanders family to Illinois in 1838. Those asked about how the Harpers and the Sanders traveled to Illinois evoked the answer, ‘by wagon’. If possible, normal travel was by river and the Cherokee migration of 1838 was scheduled to be by river on the Tennessee to the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers in the spring and summer. However, there was a drought that year and the rivers were not high enough, so wagons were utilized. If the Sanders and the Harpers migrated from middle Tennessee, did they travel with the Indian Migration? The timing is right. The route is right. The mode of transportation is right. However, three rights do not yet make the fact. So, ‘back to the drawing board’ and review all the notes to find the clue which will finally lead to the ‘fact’. Now, aren’t genealogical ‘brick walls’ fun? e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 1046 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus Archived articles: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ilmassac

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mary_lach Surnames: Monroe, Hawk, Rendleman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/740/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Monroe, son of G W Monroe and Sarah Jane Willis, married Amalda (? exact spelling)Hawk on 11 June 1882 in Jackson County IL. There were the following children: Hattie B. (1884), George A. (1886), Maggie J. (1888), Udell (1893), Charles (1894). John remarries in May of 1900. Child born to this marriage is Edward Monroe in 1904. Surviving siblings of John Monroe were William A. Monroe and Margaret Monroe Rendleman. I would appreciate any information on the above individuals. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 4 March 2007 Vol 6 Issue: #09 ISBN: Pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Weather” Does the weather dictate whether we feel secure? In many areas of our broad county March came in like a ‘lion’, and I’m sure we hope it will calm down and go out peacefully as a ‘lamb’. Students huddled in an Alabama school as a tornado ripped past causing debris to come crashing down on them. Kansas has a tornado website (1*). Some severe weather types are: hurricanes, tornados, lightning storms, volcano showers, earthquakes, avalanches, and landslides. Tornados are tight, very tight hurricanes, and they include cyclones. The force of these winds can be illustrated by a picture I once saw of a 33rpm plastic record sticking half way into a telephone pole. Sometimes large hail falls with strong winds and when it does it can become a deadly projectile. Ranchers in Nebraska and Kansas tell stories about hail storms that had killed their cattle because they were trapped in an open field during a thunderstorm. In other parts of the world hail weighing over two pounds and the size of grapefruit have been reported. Lightning has struck near enough to me that thoughts of the house moving off its foundations were quite real. Mt. St. Helens exploded the day following our eldest son’s graduation from the University of Idaho. Day became night, cattle didn’t know what to do, and my family used matches and lighters to read the writing on tombstones. Ash covered the sky so heavily as to block out the sun. When Pompeii was visited by my shipmates and I in 1952 we saw the harsh results of being too close to an erupting volcano. Avalanches burying people have hit the news of late. Some of these folks were rescued and some were not. Movies have shown tons of sliding snow cutting large trees that were in the path. In California, almost yearly, liquid earth floods highways and often allows entire ranch homes to join in the ‘slide’. One year in Dana Point, while visiting my Father, we saw nearly half a restaurant hanging out where the earth slid away. They closed the place for safety reasons. Earthquakes in California shook Dad a couple of times knocking dishes and pictures off the shelves and while soldering my first computer during the summer of 1970 we felt tremors in southern Michigan. Not only did I have the strange feeling of vibrating sideways, I missed applying solder where it was needed. The epicenter was somewhere in Kentucky, as I remember. “The terms ‘hurricane’ and ‘typhoon’ are regionally specific names for a strong ‘tropical cyclone’. A tropical cyclone is the generic term for a non-frontal synoptic scale low-pressure system over tropical or sub-tropical waters with organized convection (i.e. thunderstorm activity) and definite cyclonic surface wind circulation (Holland 1993).” (2*) I’ve experienced a hurricane or three in Bermuda, in North Carolina, and off Cape Hatteras. Powerful winds for sure. And, just when you think it might be all over due to a great calm that comes, the other half hits you. Hurricanes have an ‘eye’ in the center which is very calm. That ‘eye’ can even let the sun shine through. Such severe storms sometimes make the news. On the 27th of February 1943, in Bermuda, a navy motor launch foundered during a storm with the loss of a number of men and officers. Platoon Sergt. Clarence Robert Oliver, U.S.M.C., a master of the ‘blinker system’, proved to be ‘invaluable’ in a rescue party which put out in a gale in a motor launch, recovering four bodies and rescuing 28 survivors. In spite of the possibility of being washed overboard, Sgt Oliver personally put four survivors on board the rescue boat. “The Commendation written by Lt Commander John G Kenlon, U.S.N. stated: “1. On the night of Feb. 27, 1943, a motor launch foundered while returning to its ship. When word was received of the accident a party was immediately formed to perform the dangerous task of rescuing survivors. In spite of the fact that all boats had been secured and a full gale was blowing you volunteered to proceed with the party to aid in the rescue. The party consisted wholly of volunteers and it was expected that your services would be particularly valuable since you understood the blinker system. “2. Upon arriving at the scene of the disaster, you assisted materially in rescuing survivors still in the water. You did personally put aboard four survivors found on Watch Island in spite of the danger of being washed overboard from the bow of the motorboat. Later, you, accompanied by G. E. Townsend, gunner’s mate third class, of shore patrol headaquarters, put aboard four bodies and 24 survivors. You are highly commended for your valuable assistance and outstanding courage throughout. “3. Your behavior and conduct were in line with the fine traditions of the Marine Corps.” For the St Patrick’s Day ball for the benefit of the Bermuda War Veterans Association relief fund, Platoon Sergeant Oliver coached and led a close order drill team of Marines which won enthusiastic applause for an exhibition drill before a distinguished crowd/audience. You just never know what your reaction will be when faced with violent weather. My Father’s reaction just days later, was to demonstrate a close order drill before the Island Governor and guests with the calm of the ‘eye of a hurricane’ . e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 888 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus (1) http://www.tornadochaser.com/2000stormcenter.htm (2) http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A1.html A new site, called BSM or Black Swamp Memories, is being developed: http://blackswampmemories.org/ Did you notice the mosquito? Archived articles: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ilmassac

I'm sorry. I thought you lived in Jackson County. -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joel S. Russell Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:32 PM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Where is everybody Hi, I'm glad to help, but "on film" where? I live in NC. Joel At 08:19 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi Joel, > >If you don't could you check to see if they have death certificates on >film there yet. I am looking for Nancy, James, William M., or Charles >Robinson. Of course the name could be spelled several different ways. >Any help would be appreciated. I think most of them were in Carbondale. > >-----Original Message----- >From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joel S. Russell >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:06 AM >To: iljackso@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Where is everybody > >Hi Carol, > >I'm still out here, but my own research in the >county is fairly complete and my time has shifted >to researching my ancestors in Germany. I'm >ready to help others and I'm always interested in talking to 'cousins'. > > >Joel >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ >Researching: Arndt, Behnken, Bradley, Eckert, >Guymon, Killgrove, Kleiböcker, Loy, Russell, Twenhafel, Eckert, Wiele, >Wilke > >At 12:58 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: > >Where is everybody lately? Carol > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: >2/17/2007 5:06 PM > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: >2/17/2007 5:06 PM > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 5:06 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 5:06 PM

Hi, I'm glad to help, but "on film" where? I live in NC. Joel At 08:19 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi Joel, > >If you don't could you check to see if they have death certificates on >film there yet. I am looking for Nancy, James, William M., or Charles >Robinson. Of course the name could be spelled several different ways. >Any help would be appreciated. I think most of them were in Carbondale. > >-----Original Message----- >From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joel S. Russell >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:06 AM >To: iljackso@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Where is everybody > >Hi Carol, > >I'm still out here, but my own research in the >county is fairly complete and my time has shifted >to researching my ancestors in Germany. I'm >ready to help others and I'm always interested in talking to 'cousins'. > > >Joel >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ >Researching: Arndt, Behnken, Bradley, Eckert, >Guymon, Killgrove, Kleiböcker, Loy, Russell, Twenhafel, Eckert, Wiele, >Wilke > >At 12:58 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: > >Where is everybody lately? Carol > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: >2/17/2007 5:06 PM > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: >2/17/2007 5:06 PM > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Hi Joel, If you don't could you check to see if they have death certificates on film there yet. I am looking for Nancy, James, William M., or Charles Robinson. Of course the name could be spelled several different ways. Any help would be appreciated. I think most of them were in Carbondale. -----Original Message----- From: iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joel S. Russell Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:06 AM To: iljackso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILJACKSO] Where is everybody Hi Carol, I'm still out here, but my own research in the county is fairly complete and my time has shifted to researching my ancestors in Germany. I'm ready to help others and I'm always interested in talking to 'cousins'. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ Researching: Arndt, Behnken, Bradley, Eckert, Guymon, Killgrove, Kleiböcker, Loy, Russell, Twenhafel, Eckert, Wiele, Wilke At 12:58 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: >Where is everybody lately? Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 5:06 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 5:06 PM

Hi Carol, I'm still out here, but my own research in the county is fairly complete and my time has shifted to researching my ancestors in Germany. I'm ready to help others and I'm always interested in talking to 'cousins'. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ Researching: Arndt, Behnken, Bradley, Eckert, Guymon, Killgrove, Kleiböcker, Loy, Russell, Twenhafel, Eckert, Wiele, Wilke At 12:58 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote: >Where is everybody lately? Carol

Where is everybody lately? Carol Our life may not always be the party we would have chosen, but while we are here, we may as well dance!

Little Egypt Heritage Articles eduda tsunogisdi © Bill Oliver 25 February 2007 Vol 6 Issue: #06 ISBN: Pending O’siyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, “Reading” In reading my Sunday “Page of Opinion”, Ann McFeatters, a columnist, wrote that many think that the next big trend is “... the end of the written word.” She was referring to the reading of newspapers. This put me in mind of a memory. During a newspaper strike New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia read the funnies on the radio. This reading of the ‘funny papers’ by Mayor LaGuardia has become legendary, not only for New Yorkers, but anyone who either remembers or has heard the CD on which it appears. This CD is part of a museum exhibit to go with the art displayed. LaGuardia during a newspaper strike [1937] read the funnies over WNYC, the New York City NPR affiliate, station. Apparently this recording is used as a promotional during fund raising time. Ms McFeatters writes that ‘newspapers’ are in big trouble due to falling circulation. Her bleak and dismal words further state that the number of books published in this country is declining and that “as many as” 40 million adults in this country are “barely literate.” She blames television, video games, online graphics for mesmerizing the public. ‘Talking’ computers will be replacing written texts just like the automobile took the place of the horse and wagon. That is a frightening thought. All this scares me for a slightly different reason than Ms McFeatters. If this is true then will my ‘news’ and learning become less? Newspapers once gave me ‘news’ and opinions. Multiple newspapers gave me multiple views of ‘news’ and opinions from which I could consider myself ‘informed’. When TV News first began I thought how wonderful – I can now see and listen to my news. However, as TV News has developed into today’s media I see the filling of time and space with inane repetitious concepts and visual stimuli. Patrick Stewart, that great British actor, as Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Enterprise in an episode had a book – a ‘hard’ copy book – in which he relished reading because it was not on ‘screen’. I was reading that in Nashville a rare copy of the Declaration of Independence was purchased for $2.48. Not found in an attic but in a ‘thrift’ shop. [sigh]. Skip over to Burlington, North Carolina where this document will be auctioned with an opening bid of $125,000, where ‘appraisers’ estimate that it ‘could’ sell for nearly a quarter of a million dollars. Then a potential coup-de-maitre [masterstroke] was reading [again] my daily newspaper. An tragedy occurred in my neighboring city – a most young person exchanged gunfire in the early morning hours with an undercover policeman. The officer died of a single wound to the chest. As it turns out this young person has had other brushes with the law and courts and defended by a local lawyer. This lawyer had a great-grandfather who was a police officer who became the first police command to be killed in the line of duty. One of my great-grandfather’s sisters married a man with the same surname as the lawyer. There are some coincidences which make me curious enough to some day contact this lawyer to see if he truly is a ‘cousin’. Television doesn’t give me near the details newspapers do, so I don’t want to give up my newspapers. And, if I can read more than one large newspaper everyday, I can get more than one side to any story. This only improves my thinking processes. That is what I like. If “The Little Flower” were here to read the Sunday Comics over the radio I would again listen to him as I read all the other newsworthy events printed in my daily newspaper. e-la-Di-e-das-Di ha-WI NV-WA-do-hi-ya NV-WA-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- 615 PostScript: "Myths are universal and timeless stories that reflect and shape our lives ..." Alexander McCall Smith, Dream Angus http://www.who2.com/fiorellolaguardia.html http://www.nyc.gov/html/nyc100/html/classroom/hist_info/mayors.html#laguardia Archived articles: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ilmassac

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sholsan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.jackson/163.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I come down from Joseph through Conrad and Margaret PHILLIPS CARR, David and Esther WARING CARR, Peter and Rutha SMITH CARR, and Alice CARR and Henry GREGGERSEN (my maternal grandparents) Which of Joseph's kids married a SMITH? I don't have any of them listed with Joseph's kids. My SMITH line starts with Rutha SMITH. Her parents were Henry SMITH and Keziah/Kesiah EDWARDS. He was born in VA (poss. Franklin Co.) in 1798. She was born in Tyrrell Co., NC in 1807. Henry and a possible brother, Powell, settled in St. Clair Co. about 1820. We know that Powell was born in Franklin Co., VA in 1801. I think it is more than a coincidence that one of Henry's Children was named Powell. So, a very good chance that the men were brothers, but so far not proof. This SMITH line has been a brickwall for me. It would be interesting to know if this earlier CARR-SMITH connection is connected to my later CARR-SMITH family! Other names I have for Joesph's kid's spouses are: SHOBE, SHORT, BOND, GARRISON, and ARNETT. Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.