Mary, Yes, there are people missing from the 1860 census. I know that because Phoebe's brothers and mother are also missing from the same census. My belief is that the area around Section 1 and 2 of Pomona (Ridge) township were left off the census (this is not far south Jackson Co.) and that is where I believe Phoebe and her husband Charles were living. Phoebe's family is one of the families I am researching and have a lot of information on. I would love to get in touch with you. I have somewhat researched Phoebe and her children but haven't put a focused effort on them yet. PerriAngela Wickham Austin, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:31 PM Subject: [ILJACKSON] 1860 Jackson census Williams and Brazel (Braswell) families > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Williams, Brazel (Brasel, Braswell) > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213 > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone know if there are areas missing from the 1860 Jackson County census? I have two families who are on the 1850 and the 1870 censuses, but they are missing from 1860. The Charles Williams family in 1850 is found in the South District, page 259, dwell. 363, family 374. The Demsey Brazel in 1850 is found in the South District, page 245, dwell 163, family 166. In 1870 Charles Williams' widow Phebe and children are in Ridge Township, page 25, dwell 181, fam 181. In 1870 Demsey Brazel family is nearby in Ridge Township, page 24, dwell 190, fam 190. I believe both families lived in far south Jackson County, near the Union Co. border. Does anyone have information on these families? Or is anyone aware of a problem with the 1860 census that would explain these two families both to be missing? > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > How long has it been since you posted to the list? A "quiet" list will never help anyone! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My battle is my WINCHESTER family is under a BURDINE household. The step-children are identified as Burdine. However through marriage records, and clever wit of my "fore female relatives", my WINCHESTERS were found. I am truly amazed at the transit nature of my family-NC>TN>MO>IL!! Happy Hunting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Peg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSON] 1860 Jackson census Williams and Brazel (Braswell) families > I think that some people must have been missed in each census, I can't find Squire > Crain's family in the 1840 census. They are there in 1830 and though Squire had died > before 1850 his widow and children are there in 1850. I have never found them > anywhere else either, so assume they were missed. > Sometimes though it's just because of some very unusual spelling that you can't find > someone. I have found several by recognizing the first names and ages and then > rechecking the surname. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [ILJACKSON] 1860 Jackson census Williams and Brazel (Braswell) families > > > There is definitely one area of Jackson Co missing from one census - I think > it is 1860. It appeared to me that the census taker completely missed the > 'bootheel' area of Jackson Co. > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > How long has it been since you posted to the list? A "quiet" list will never help > anyone! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > Do you have a resource you could share with the list members? Would you be willing to do some "lookups" for a limited time period? If you would, please let the members know. Thank you! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Question....where are we finding the 1860 census....Ancestry.com? or from an actual copy of a copy from court house? AND FYI/anybody-there is a John Brazel-58yrs. NC. with family and Benjamin Brazel/Brazzell 21 IL. 1850 census Calhoun Co. IL Gillead twp. Hope this helps somebody. D ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: [ILJACKSON] 1860 Jackson census Williams and Brazel (Braswell) families > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Williams, Brazel (Brasel, Braswell) > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213 > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone know if there are areas missing from the 1860 Jackson County census? I have two families who are on the 1850 and the 1870 censuses, but they are missing from 1860. The Charles Williams family in 1850 is found in the South District, page 259, dwell. 363, family 374. The Demsey Brazel in 1850 is found in the South District, page 245, dwell 163, family 166. In 1870 Charles Williams' widow Phebe and children are in Ridge Township, page 25, dwell 181, fam 181. In 1870 Demsey Brazel family is nearby in Ridge Township, page 24, dwell 190, fam 190. I believe both families lived in far south Jackson County, near the Union Co. border. Does anyone have information on these families? Or is anyone aware of a problem with the 1860 census that would explain these two families both to be missing? > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > How long has it been since you posted to the list? A "quiet" list will never help anyone! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rice, Cooper Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/214 Message Board Post: Hi, I have a possible link to George through a brother, Charles Ernest. I found George's SSDI and found that he died in Jackson Co., Illinois. I am hoping that George's father was named John Thomas (or viceversa, I have found it listed both ways in records) and his mother was Isora or Izora or Isoda Cooper. He was born in Smithfield, Jasper Co., Missouri in 1882. He had an older sister named Stella who was first born. Then there was 2 or 3 more, then George, then Walter H. and the youngest was Jefferson. I am hoping some of this fits. Please let me know if I am on the right track. Thanks, Kay Bensuk

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The marriage date of Charles Williams and Phebe Brewer is 8/16/1846.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213.1.1 Message Board Post: Charles and Phebe Williams both give North Carolina as birthplace on 1850 census. Phebe gives NC as birthplace on 1870 census. Later their son Wesley gives IL and IN as birthplaces. The earliest I have them is their marriage on 8/16/1856 in Jackson County, IL. Demsey and Eveline Brazel both give TN as birthplace on the 1850 census. Their children have birthplaces of TN, KY, and IL, indicating moves from TN to KY in about 1842, and moves from KY to IL about 1849. In 1870 Demsey's birthplace is listed as TN and Eveline's as NC. On their daughter's death certificate, Demsey's birthplace is given as VA (I'm guessing incorrectly). I don't have any Winchesters in these families. But I have seen quite a few Winchesters on the censuses in 1850, 1860, and 1870 as I searched through. Have you used the Illinois Trails website for the 1860 census printout?

I think that some people must have been missed in each census, I can't find Squire Crain's family in the 1840 census. They are there in 1830 and though Squire had died before 1850 his widow and children are there in 1850. I have never found them anywhere else either, so assume they were missed. Sometimes though it's just because of some very unusual spelling that you can't find someone. I have found several by recognizing the first names and ages and then rechecking the surname. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSON] 1860 Jackson census Williams and Brazel (Braswell) families There is definitely one area of Jackson Co missing from one census - I think it is 1860. It appeared to me that the census taker completely missed the 'bootheel' area of Jackson Co. ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== How long has it been since you posted to the list? A "quiet" list will never help anyone! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WINCHESTER, Andrews, Tucker, Morgan, Riley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213.1 Message Board Post: Mary where were your 2 families (the men) born. I am trying really hard to find a WINCHESTER in families that are in the same twp, county, my WINCHESTER family in that same community. Thanks D

There is definitely one area of Jackson Co missing from one census - I think it is 1860. It appeared to me that the census taker completely missed the 'bootheel' area of Jackson Co.

Don't know about this census or the surnames in question; however, I do know for a fact that 2 of my families are missing from the 1880 Jackson CO. census; so, it does happen. The only explanation I was giv by a Jackson CO historian is that they "fell through the cracks"somehow. Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams, Brazel (Brasel, Braswell) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/213 Message Board Post: Does anyone know if there are areas missing from the 1860 Jackson County census? I have two families who are on the 1850 and the 1870 censuses, but they are missing from 1860. The Charles Williams family in 1850 is found in the South District, page 259, dwell. 363, family 374. The Demsey Brazel in 1850 is found in the South District, page 245, dwell 163, family 166. In 1870 Charles Williams' widow Phebe and children are in Ridge Township, page 25, dwell 181, fam 181. In 1870 Demsey Brazel family is nearby in Ridge Township, page 24, dwell 190, fam 190. I believe both families lived in far south Jackson County, near the Union Co. border. Does anyone have information on these families? Or is anyone aware of a problem with the 1860 census that would explain these two families both to be missing?

The Jun 1880 census lists Silas TUTHILL of Rockwood Census Place: Rockwood, Randolph, Illinois Source: FHL Film 1254244 National Archives Film T9-0244 Page 507D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Silas P. TUTHILL Self M M W 67 VT Occ: Chair Maker Fa: NY Mo: RI Desdemona TUTHILL Wife F M W 70 VT Occ: House Keeper Fa: VT Mo: VT Charles TUTHILL Son M S W 26 IL Occ: School Teacher Fa: VT Mo: VT Miles G. ALLEN Other M S W 37 IN Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: TN Mo: IN Silas supplied riverboats at Rockwood, and in between boat landings, he made furniture. Rocking Chairs, beds, high chairs, etc. His furniture was considered to be the finest available. When people would come down to his landing to load their grain on the boats, they would often bring back a piece of furniture made by Silas. His highchairs were considered to be great gifts to newlyweds! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Garbo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: [ILJACKSON] help with a chair > This may not be a true genealogy question butI thought I would turn to > the list members for assistance. I inherited a family "heirloom"; it's > a platform rocking chair that belonged to one of my Jackson Co. > ancestors. Problem is, I don't know which one & no one is alive that > remembers the original owner. All my Jackson Co ancestors were in > Jackson CO. around the time I think this chair was made (circa 1870 or > so). Were there any furniture makers in Jackson Co. around that time > (or earlier or later)? I haven't been able to identify the wood but it > has been stained with pokeberries. Any help/info/assistance would be > most appreciated. Thank you. Carol > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > **PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE UP TO DATE ANTI-VIRUS PROTECTION** > Karima, List Administrator mailto:[email protected] > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sounds like I may be on the right track. Thanks, Tom!

What are the Tuthill rocking chairs? georgia draves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Garbo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: [ILJACKSON] Tuthill rockers > Does anyone out there know anything about the Tuthill rocking chairs or > where else I can post a query re this? I "think" I may have one. Carol > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > PLEASE NOTE: Posting of items of RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL CONTENT, VIRUSES WARNINGS, CHAIN LETTERS, or SPAM will result in being removed from the list. If you have any questions regarding this, contact the list administrator, Karima mailto:[email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone out there know anything about the Tuthill rocking chairs or where else I can post a query re this? I "think" I may have one. Carol

This may not be a true genealogy question butI thought I would turn to the list members for assistance. I inherited a family "heirloom"; it's a platform rocking chair that belonged to one of my Jackson Co. ancestors. Problem is, I don't know which one & no one is alive that remembers the original owner. All my Jackson Co ancestors were in Jackson CO. around the time I think this chair was made (circa 1870 or so). Were there any furniture makers in Jackson Co. around that time (or earlier or later)? I haven't been able to identify the wood but it has been stained with pokeberries. Any help/info/assistance would be most appreciated. Thank you. Carol

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois Bill Oliver 16 February 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #7 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, It does not seem that we are always "One for All; All for One", but for sure we are "E Plurius Unum" — Out of Many, One. Our heritage, as descendants of Americans, stems from one of the greatest migrations in history [excluding the Biblical 40 year wanderings]. To understand ourselves we must know something about our diverse ethnic ancestry. It once was diversely native American, then the Euro-Invasion came into the mix. Today we have a great influx of Asian, Mid-eastern and Latin American coming to our "shores". The 1980 Census asked Americans to name their ethnic heritage with more than 100 choices. 49.6 million people responded that their heritage was of the British Isles, while 49.2 million marked that they were of Germanic descent. The next largest group claimed to be Irish-American [40.2 million], with Afro-American, French, Italian, Poles, Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians and Russians falling into line. There is no doubt that there is a great multitude of cultural mix and representation in our North America. A cousin of mine recently wrote that she had presumed that part of her ethnic heritage was Irish due to the way our common surname was spelled [today]. In pursuing the origin and migratory pattern of the family she discovered that the migration pattern followed a particular ethnic group across the states into southern Illinois. Further research developed that a few generations ago the surname was differently spelled and that it was not Irish but rather German in origin. Due to being descendent of Ulster-Irish and German mix, I know more about the former than the latter, however, enough about both to make some generalizations. The Scot-Irish, with their adventurous pioneering spirit, came into contact with and mixed with many people of vastly different backgrounds. So it does not surprise us when we learn of another ingredient in E Plurabus Unum. Philadelphia in the early 18th century was well known for it tolerance. Even so, the English and Dutch settlers were standoffish toward the Ulster-Irish, so they pushed on into western Pennsylvania, Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia. >From these states they pushed west into the interior and along the Gulf Coast until they crossed the Mississippi into the vast western "half" of this continent. When you visit a historical complex today you see an example of a log cabin. Though Scandinavian settlers, coming from heavily forested areas, built them early in our history, it was the practical-minded Ulster-Irish who built so many of them. They usually measured about 22 by 16 feet, of one room, and housing large families of eight or more. It is easy to then understand the origin of our expression "cabin fever". :) The Scot-Irish were industrious and hard working. They cleared and cultivated the land. Few prospered at it, however. They did not pull their stumps after cutting the trees; they plowed around them. They farmed that land, never rotating crops, until the nutrients in the soil were gone. They then packed up and moved. They also farmed on hillsides, where the soil contained too much slate. While the German-Americans chose fertile valleys, especially lined with good deposits of limestone. The Ulster-Irish were mountain and hill folk and naturally took to higher elevations where more pine than hardwoods grew. Pine stumps do not decay like hardwood stumps. Pine decays much slower due to containing "turpentine". Pine stumps had to be pulled out by machine, an expensive operation. In addition, pine forests often contain boulders and stone. The Scot-Irish were volatile in two elements: fisticuffs and practical jokes. The first made them excellent frontier fighters. They inhabited land that had belonged to the Native American, thus they often did battle with them. They became quite adept at the skills of concealment and ambush, thus making them invaluable during the American Revolution. An example of the second we owe it to these folk is the custom of charivari, the madcap serenade given to a bride and groom on their wedding night. Also, their humor displayed quick-witted retorts and jocularities at another's expense. It is said that two Scot-Irish cleric were walking along on an icy road. One slipped and fell flat on ‘e back. The upright cleric looked down and solemnly said, "The wicked stand in slippery places". The immediate retort from the prostrate cleric, "I see they do, indeed, but I can't". [Oh, well, you have to be Irish.] My family grew up on meals of meat, potatoes, and cornpone. Though the potato was introduced to Europe by the Spanish who brought it back from South America, it became the main sustenance of the Irish. The very hospitable immigrants brought tubers with them to America and as gestures of good will gave tubers to others they had contact with. Most thought them of poisonous quality and threw them away. Others, who did plant them mistook the stalk tops for the fruit and found them "unfit" for consumption, possibly discovering during the next plowing the mistake they made. Yes, the Scot-Irish were a high spirited lot, but we'll not make too much of the fact that they considered it their God given right to "grow" moonshine. The English built their houses, the Germans their barns, but the Irish built the distilleries. Whiskey did flow liberally at funerals, which could turn into raucous, hilarious affairs. More importantly though, it served as income during hard times of farming, and even served as currency in trade for staples. Well, life on the frontiers was hard, to say the least, and survival spelled the extension of the boundaries of our culture across this present nation. Always out in front were the Ulster-Irish, and their mix formed some of the most versatile and stubbornly determined people on our continent. Wado, Bill -=- http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Hi Mary, Again, thanks so much for checking - I thought I was the one going nuts, but I checked and what I am looking at is a 1919 death certificate for an Emiline McDaniel and the cemetery is Pleasant Hill in Makanda - sorry I didn't mention that earlier, but didn't bother double checking the DC. Maybe, someone on the list knows something about this cemetery. Again, thanks so much. Joyce

Joyce, I know of a Pleasant Grove Cemetery and a Mt. Pleasant Cemetery but I'm not familiar with a Pleasant Hill. I'm not saying, however, that there isn't one just that I'm not familiar. I have cemetery listings for Murphysboro City, Murphysboro Township and Grand Tower Township and there isn't a Pleasant Hill in any of them. Maybe somebody else reading this will be able to tell us for sure... Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Hennessy <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ILJACKSON] Pleasant Hill Cemetery > Mary, > Thank you so much for your checking - is there a Pleasant Hill Cemetery in > Jackson Co? Thanks! > Joyce > > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > Karima, List Administrator mailto:[email protected] > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Mary, Thank you so much for your checking - is there a Pleasant Hill Cemetery in Jackson Co? Thanks! Joyce