Dear Fellow Researchers; Lately there have been inquires on the Jackson Co. list in regard to Southern Illinois newspaper archives and how to access obits, and I have been asked to share my fees for these lookups. I hope this will not seem inappropriate on the lists, and that it will prove to be helpful information. Morris Library on the campus of SIU Carbondale has an extensive collection of newspapers on microfilm from the entire Southern IL region, many from the earliest issues and in some cases, such as The Southern Illinoisan, to the present day. They also have the major IL papers such as the Chicago papers, which are indexed. Unfortunately, the staff will not do look ups for those who cannot visit the library themselves. I am trying to obtain an updated list of these newspaper holdings, and when I do I will share it on these lists. Their catalog is at http://www.lib.siu.edu/hp/ . My fees for searching the newspaper archives are a little higher than I would like them to be, simply because parking on campus is so difficult and it takes so long just to get in the building! For newspaper searches (articles and obits) with a date or narrow date range: 1st search, $10; each additional, $5. I will digitally photograph the item for you in most cases, which can then be sent to you immediately via email. I have a copy of the Index of Obituaries Printed in The Southern Illinois Herald Newspaper, 1893-1922, which I will check for you if applicable, before searching at the library. There are other wonderful resources at Morris, including most of the Germans to America volumes, the Passenger and Immigration Lists Bibliography series, Death Records for Carbondale, Illinois, 1877-1952 (taken from funeral home and burial records), Cemeteries of Jackson County, Illinois volumes and early county history books of the region. There is even a collection of early atlases and plat maps for IL counties, many of which provide the property owner's names. Digital photos of these work well. I am available to do look-ups in any of these books (with a date or narrow range of years for an individual or family group in the ship passenger volumes): 1st search, $10; each additional, $3. Searches at the area courthouses, the Jackson County Historical Society Library, at IRAD on the SIU campus (if you would like a more extensive search than they are able to do for free) are available at very reasonable rates. And I am always willing to negotiate on large projects or swap research time. As an RAOGK volunteer I provide at no charge cemetery and old home site photos, lookups in my personal collection of early Jackson County resources, and similar requests as I have time. Thank you, Juli Claussen Search & Genealogy Services Carbondale, IL http://sgservices.bravepages.com

Hi Joyce, There is a huge collection of local and regional southern Illinois newspapers, plus the Chicago papers and NY Times at Morris Library on the campus of SIU Carbondale. They are on microfilm, and go back many years. The staff will not do lookups. I am available to do lookups for a fee. I know of no other local library that has the newspapers. Juli Claussen Search & Genealogy Services Murphysboro, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Hennessy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: [ILJACKSON] obits at library > Hi, > Could anyone tell me if obits are available from a newspaper at a library in > Jackson Co? If they are, what library and what years are available, and the > cost? Many questions, but thank you very much. > Joyce > > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > Do you have a resource you could share with the list members? Would you be willing to do some "lookups" for a limited time period? If you would, please let the members know. Thank you! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Could anyone tell me if obits are available from a newspaper at a library in Jackson Co? If they are, what library and what years are available, and the cost? Many questions, but thank you very much. Joyce

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 7 September 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #32 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Anyone living seven decades can expect to pick up the local newspaper and read obituaries of folks one knows. But it is those "special" ones that bring forth the most wonderful of memories. Last week it was Grandma ‘Bobbi', and this week it is ..... Back in some dark age when I was yet an Elementary School Principal, I had the honor and distinct pleasure of knowing a tremendously fascinating and talented woman violist that played with the Chicago Women's Symphony and the Toledo Orchestra. She truly believed that music [through Mozart and Beethoven] could calm the savage beast, man, and particularly children. We attended church together for many years, but it was in her role of loving children so much that I loved her best. She would bring her instrument to not only "my" school but schools all over the area to talk and demonstrate music to children. This Grand Lady studied and practiced all her life. There was always more to learn. She taught Suzuki Method and even traveled to Japan to study under Shinitfchi Suzuki himself. When I cross over I look forward to hearing her music and tasting the wonderful vegetable soup made from her own gardens at some future time. Kay, Kathleen THOMPSON Harbaugh [March 12, 1917 -- September 2, 2003], you have earned your rest. [for those who knew her -- obit located at <http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/classifieds?Category=CLOBITUARIES> Not to, at all, be insensitive to the present, yet during this morning's church music, the violin notes I heard were Kay's ... I was truly remembering her rendition. Thursday immediate, the Wizard of ID comic strip featured a woman who asked the Funeral Director if her husband could be buried in a ‘basket". One can take the pun several ways, but the one that first came to my mind was "going to Hxxx in a handbasket". Our word for coffin comes from the Greek word Kophinos [cough-in-ohs], which means "basket(s)". Woven plaited twig baskets were used by the Sumerians about 4000BC to inter their dead. Why, you ask did coffins ever become the norm for burial? Well, it is thought that fear was the motivator ... fear of disease and fear of the dead themselves. Drastic measures were taken to prevent the dead from haunting the living. They removed the head and limbs [at least the hands and feet] after binding the body. Tradition says that round about routes were taken to the gravesite so that the dead couldn't find their way back "home". You talk about raising the dead ... special holes were cut in homes to remove the body; six feet under was considered a safe depth; and coffins were an extra precaution; but "nailing down" the lid was a clincher. What, no combination locks? This didn't end it ... often very heavy stones were placed on top of the coffin for insurance. Is that where the idea of tombstones came from? And, of course, one didn't go near graveyards, after all they were "haunted". Our Aunt Eddie and Grandma Lester taught us that picnics among the haunted were great fun. For one thing we were never disturbed by the living. And, many a smile has been provoked by words written in stone. One of the most memorable occasions for my family was the graduation weekend that our oldest received his sheepskin in Moscow, Idaho. That weekend in May, 1980, Mt St Helen decided to blow her top. Before noon, on that Sunday, the sky was black and the cows were confused. We went out to lunch and drove to several cemeteries. In order to read stones we used matches, lighters and what batteries we had in pocket flashlights. Speaking of flashlights, remember sleep overs and campouts? Putting flashlights under your chins to make weird faces. Do you remember how the noises changed when the light went out of the sky? Those friendly little ‘varmits' of the daytime had nocturnal counterparts. In the still of the night these scurryings sounded like huge monsters crashing the forest. These noises and strange lights were hard to ignore and they made for great story-telling. On a scout camping trip another leader and myself decided to take a midnight walk through the woods. We were absorbed in identifying the sounds we heard ... bull frogs, crickets, doves, an odd owl. We had walked for about an hour when we heard some heavy breathing and snorting. It sounded big because the sound was coming at the same level as our heads [or there ‘bout]. By the volume it had larger nostrils than ours. We couldn't identify it at all and our curiosity was greater than our sense. We moved some branches aside and we saw two huge eyes staring back. To this day we haven't the slightest idea for sure what that "monster" was, but we sure had fun in later years telling that tale. Oh, yes, well, we did turn and walk away hoping with every step that whatever it was didn't charge us. <hugegrin> Do you like ghost stories? Here is one from the University of Nebraska at Lincoln: <http://www.geocities.com/katherinenabity/ghosts.html> and, <http://www.webspawner.com/users/nebraskashauntedcoll/> Now, most of my kin would say that such "haints" were but the imagination of a troubled soul. They say that there are natural explanations for ghost stories. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

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Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 31 August 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #31 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Regular readers of these articles know that I thoroughly believe in reading, and then more reading. The remarkable thing about reading is that our "eye" tends to catch things that are foremost in our minds or thoughts. It seems that this week everything I read tends to remind me of experiences with a dear, dear friend. There was the editorial in the newspaper about herbals; reporting that guggulipid,made from the resin of the mukul myrrh tree has no cholesterol lowering properties. And, reading an article on ecology and conservation, I dug out the book "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold. In Midland, Michigan there is a ecology/conservation park where my firend volunteered her time. It has an observation room built out over a stream, Frank Lloyd Wright style. Tonight's article is dedicated to Barbara C Smith, "Grandma Bobbi" to our family. She was laid to rest yesterday afternoon after living more than ninety years. We saw Bobbi in the spring, spry and sharp as ever, just a bit weak and a bit hard of hearing. But, shucks that wasn't really something new. It was only a year ago that she gave up driving ... but, she kept the car outside at the her "retirement home", just in case. <grin> Her daughter and husband have been close friends for more than thirty five years and they report that Bobbi passed peacefully in her sleep early Thursday morning. She was full of life right up through a stroke she suffered Monday evening last, planning with family upcoming activities. One of the outstanding events we shared was a week's camping trip to Watkins Glen beginning the weekend of the original Woodstock in Seneca County, New York. We pulled in and set up our tent trailers just after the close of the "concert". For a mile or two before reaching the campgrounds we noticed the debris left behind by the mass of campers attending that event ... tents, sleeping bags, coolers, cooking utensils and sundry articles. I can feel to this day Bobbi's disapproval of the waste. As I think of Bobbi, I remember her spinning yarns and instructing our children in the finer natural foods which abound in nature. We drank sun-tea, had green salads from dandelions, and many humorous skits. Our son, Jim, polished one about Yule Gibbons. We chuckled for many a week and year as Jim perfected it. As part of the eulogy I felt compelled to write to Bobbi's family, I said: "I'm sure by now that Bobbi has met up with Yule and they will be discussing the infamous dandelion. I can hear Bobbi saying that if dandelions only grew in the highest reaches of the Himalayas, reachable only by yak-back with a team of Sherpa guides, they'd be one of the most prized of all botanical species. From Bobbi I learned that every part of the plant is edible during every part of the growth cycle. Some parts are absolutely delicious and other parts are, well, a bit bitter, not worth eating. The blossom is especially delicious. The leaves are pretty good salad ingredients when they're picked young. The roots, dried and grated, make a passably interesting coffee substitute, which was used by southern women during and following the Civil War. "I still hear her say: ‘Sure, dig 'em out if you must, but don't waste 'em. Eat 'em!" And, I can see Yule, knodding [sic] his head ... <hugesmile> " As last week's article said, war causes shortages, so that there might be food on the tables, but minus the "extras". Folks in cities suffer greater than those in the rural areas since food and other supplies are imported there, while rural folk either have their needs or can trade with neighbors. Even with scarcities, social life went on. Parties took on the air of what was available. If one had extra flour they might throw a "biscuit" party. In extreme cases one might throw a "starvation" party and offer "pine-floats" and fellowship. You know ... "pine-floats" .... tooth picks and a glass of water. Substitutes were experimented with and if successful, passed around. Nature furnishes many different items. As mentioned above, the root of the mighty dandelion could be used as a coffee substitute. Browned Okra seeds were also used. However, in the South during the WBTS, okra seeds were not readily available. One could always take yams or sweet potatoes, peel them, slice them thin, cut them into squares, dry them parched brown, then grind ... well, it's an acquired taste, after all. Carrots, prepared the same way could be used. The mighty oak which sheds it acorns could also be used after they were washed in the shell, parched, then with the shell removed, roasted with bacon grease and ground. Research reveals that one just has to use what might be available close at hand. Parched ground peanuts, parched ground sugar cane seeds, rye seeds, chicory, parched, roasted English peas or beans, parched beets, browned cornmeal, browned bran meal, and even burned corn. There was mention of browned wheat berries as a coffee substitute but I don't know what those are. Grandma Bobbi thought tea substitutes were easier to find. After all herbal teas are very popular. Leaves of many plants, such as sassafras leaves. Oh, and many roots, again such as sassafras. Leaves of the spiceberry bush produces a wintergreen flavor. Raspberry, blackberry, huckleberry, dittany, and holly leaves are commonly available. Yapon shrub twigs brew up aromatically. If you wanted mile/cream for your beverage, the well beaten white of eggs with a bit of butter added could be used. However, pour in the coffee slowly to avoid curdling. Omit the butter if you use it for tea. Sorghum has been known for ages as a sugar substitute. So has molasses. Figs when dried and ground can be used for a sugar substitute. Then there is the old stand by, honey. Grandma Oliver used to say that cooked down watermelon. If cooked "down" enough it would produce a fine white sugar. Though there was no effervescence to it, a champagne substitute was made from water, corn and molasses fermented in old molasses barrels. My reading could only come up with one butter substitute and that was sunflower seed oil. There was no recipe available though. Most of us are familiar with some flour substitutes. There is rice flour, cornmeal and rye flour. My great aunts used these at various times. I wonder if anyone tried ground oats as a flour substitute. Well, in closing, Grandma Bobbi once said that cider boiled down and cooled became jelly-like fit for the "king". I think some toast might go well with my soup tonight. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Is anyone have William M. & Nisa/Nica___? DUNCAN of Bradley or Kinkaid tsp in their family? I am not related in any way, but one of my relatives, Hartly J. LINGO, was the administrator of Wm M. Duncan's estate in 1880. I perused this probate file at IRAD to determine if the Lingo's were connected to this family. I believe not, that Hartly was just a friend, but I made detailed notes that I would be happy to share with anyone researching these families. Legal description of real estate owned by Mr. Duncan is given. Mr. DUNCAN died Nov. 25, 1880, leaving a wife Nisa? who died prior to 1887. His other heirs included his children Robert, Ellen, Henry, Hezekiah, George W., Charles B., Albert, Monroe, & Cornelius A. DUNCAN and Avie (Duncan) WEIBUSH (or NEIBUSH). Grandchildren, the children of two deceased daus., one of whom was Mary (Duncan) MIFFLIN: Jackson, Samuel, Mattie, Daniel and Jane MALONE; and Clinton and Albert C. MIFFLIN. Apparently the MALONE children lived in Randolph Co. at that time, and Henry and Hezekiah DUNCAN were in Texas. A letter from Ellen DUNCAN of 1887 indicated she was in East St. Louis, and that her brother Robert was in Leon, Arkansas last she knew. An Arminda O'DANIELL made claim against the estate for wages as a servant girl for 1 yr and 24 days, from Jan. 1877 to Jan., 1878. A William P. MALONE of Rockwood is mentioned as guardian in Mar., 1884 for Daniel P., Ezekial J., William, Eliza E., James M., Carrie B., and Jane MALONE. A Sarah S. (MALONE) LAWDER is also mentioned. Hope this helps someone. Juli Claussen

Im researching any pictures of Margaret Jones (1823-1901) JP genealogy website: http://www.ancestry-web.com/

Im researching any pictures of Margaret Jones (1823-1901) JP genealogy website: http://www.ancestry-web.com/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/63.2.1 Message Board Post: Check YORK in Warren Co., TN. My ELLIS line came out of Warren Co., TN and settled in Union first, then Jackson Co., IL. I have been told that the YORK line also came from there, but have not documented it.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 24 August 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #30 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Last week I announced that the summer had ended, for we sent the Grandchildren home to their parents because school was starting. I noted all week that loaded Vans and Pickup trucks were lined up outside of the dorms at local colleges and tech schools. Reports from around the country were much the same, except a report from Chris in Curtis, Nebraska, stating that one could distinguish Nebraskans returning to school for they were using horse trailers for moving. :) This led me to the topic of resourcefulness. Not only Nebraskans stand out in that department, but all Americans ... it is a good ole American trait! When the times get tough, the tough get going. This leads me to the fact that economic depressions and wars cause shortages, which causes people to look for substitutes. A friend of my Father's youth was Michael V DiSalle who once said, "The only way to keep food prices down is to ‘keep them down on the farm' ...." There was more to that, but I want just to emphasize that when the chips are down we as a people "make do". It wasn't only that gal in "Gone with the Wind" that when needing a new dress used the drapes. Mike DiSalle was once Mayor of Toledo, Ohio, Governor of Ohio and under Harry S Truman's administration, the Director of Price Stabilization. I was reminded of him when I found the newspaper report of a speech President Truman gave in honor of Mr DiSalle's retirement from Washington. My own youth was spent during the 1930s — a time when we recycled roller skates into 2x4 home constructed scooters. And, Christmas presents were new socks and sweaters. As boys and girls we thought it devilishly clever of us to make ink from berries ... Grandma and the Aunts canned elderberries, but we mashed them and dipped our pen points in the juices to write each other letters. We used the missile end of 22-bullets to write notes. What a dull gray mark they made. We experimented with chunks of coal from our coal bins. We weren't so clever after all. Since then I have learned that in the Southern State during and after the War Between the States that these were common items because that War caused shortages. The South had no or very few paper mills and inks were also imported. In a recent garage sale, I saw a sliced peach pit necklace strung together with a shoe lace. One very much like it can be found in museums. When all the valuable jewelry was sold off to finance the WBTS, women turned to slicing peach pits and stringing the pieces together to be worn as necklaces and bracelets. The Boy Scouts of America with their motto of "Be Prepared" prepared us to utilize what we had. Tin can cups. Gourds made into ladles, dippers, cups and/or bowls. We were taught how to whittle wooden spoons and knives. I was never much good at making forks though. Again, this was not really new skills. When folks were driven from their homes because of "visiting" armies, they also used skills to furnish these items of every day life. When the weather turned real cold, carpets were used as blankets. Soap is a mixture of lye, water and grease. A method of making lye is to filter water through a hopper filled with wood ash. This lye produces a very soft soap. To harden the soap, salt was added, [if available]. Another soap was produced by 12 quarts of water, 5 pounds of unslaked lime, and 5 pounds of washing soda that had been dissolved in 12 quarts of water. Mixed, it was left to sit for half-a-day to a full day. What clear liquid was poured off, and to this was added 3 and a half pounds of rendered grease and three to four ounces of rosin. After an hour of boiling it is poured out to cool. When meat fat was not available, cotton seed oil was substituted. Ferment Irish potatoes, grated green con and wheat bran. Skim off the surface and use the remaining solution to starch your clothes. We all know flour and water paste. How about glue from the gum of a Georgia peach or plum tree? Teeth were cleaned with crushed charcoal, or salt, or soda, or arrowroot. Tooth brushes were made from tree twigs, but I liked the licorice root, chewed until it was "broomed". When Barb and I were first married I saved every nail and straightened the out to be used again, as my Father and Uncles before me. Screws were saved to be used again and again. Even to this day my workbench is filled with coffee and peanut cans full of nuts, bolts, nails and screws. During the Civil War iron was most scarce so iron products were saved and reused and reused. Thanks to our ancestors writing to each other of their successes in utilizing substitutes for things they lacked we have a very rich heritage. Most of these things mentioned can be found in old letters and diaries. They are fascinating reading. I'm sure that you have heard of "twice turned". When dresses showed to much wear, they were "turned" — the material was rearranged, such as the top forming the bottom, with new added trim to form the "new" dress. Often dresses were "twice turned". When dresses couldn't be used any more, that material which was still usable was made into shirts for men or boys or quilts or braided rugs. Nothing was wasted. As leather became scarce, shoes needed to be conserved. In order to save wear and tear on shoes the "house slipper" was popular. They could be worn indoors and made from such things as old carpet, braided cloth, etc. The tops of old worn out boots were made into soles for less demanding wear about the house or home. Leather gloves were scarce, so were made at home from materials such as flannel. However, they could also be knitted or crocheted from yarn. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

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Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 17 August 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #29 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, The Summer ended this afternoon ... we returned the last grandchildren to the authority of their parents. Some of them start back to school this week. We used to start after Labor Day ... ummmm ... times do change. However, with returning the grands signals life returning to "normal", whatever that is. Our summer has been extremely busy [as usual] developing "apperceptive" education for these grandchildren as we did for our children, Before returning them today, we visited a "ghost" town which teaches what our pioneer 18th and 19th centuries were like. We even met the ghost of "Ol BlackSwamp Bob" who was a northwestern local history buff and story teller. We took the small grandchildren to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan last week end. Things have changed a lot since we first took our children there some "few" years ago. I was fascinated looking at the Presidential Limousines. I stood by the one that transported FDR for a long time. I tried to tell the Grands that I had touched that car back in the first half of the 1940s when FDR toured the Military Base where I was attending school and we school children lined up along the roadside to wave. Vivacious granddaughter was off somewhere else and grandson wasn't too impressed either. <sigh> There were kitchen stoves of different energy sources [wood/coal ... gas ... electricity]. An earlier electric "ice-box" ... can you remember that big round glob on top?? And, all those old farm implements ... and, not forgetting the development of the "horse-less" carriage ... there was an original VW "Bug". Now that got the attention of the grandson. While in the rooms of time "pieces" my mind raced back a-ways and way-far-back. The phrase that started it all was "railroad time"! Setting on a book shelf in my study is my Grandpa Oliver's old Illinois pocket watch. He used this time piece when he worked on the railroad back in southern Illinois. It still works, keeping excellent time. When Grandma first gave it to me it had a habit of stopping exactly on Christmas Day each year. I would have it cleaned and it would run again for a year, stopping again on Christmas Day. Grandpa died on Christmas Day. I'm not sure that I should have listened to the old watch repairer for he said I should not just wind it and hang it back under its display dome ... he said place it in different positions because it was made to be carried. But, now it doesn't stop on Christmas Day. In the beginning of human time man said I'm hungry ... it's time to eat. He [yep, I said "he" ;)] This wasn't good enough for meeting schedules, I guess, cause someone found it necessary to achieve the marking of the passage of time, so someone developed the sundial. [Did you know that the "pointer" or indicator on a sundial is called a gnomon?] The Egyptians used sundials. The dial of Ahaz mentioned in Isaiah existed about 730 B.C. And, the Babylonians, the Chaldeans, were famous as astronomers, thus, their superior expertise on sundials lasted for over a millennium. Scholars the world over, from all civilizations, were familiar with sundials. In the 15th century the Nocturnal dial was developed by navigators who needed to tell time by the position of the stars. By the 17th century mechanical pocket watches were developed, but they were expensive and very unreliable, so portable or pocket sundials were still used. There is a story that Charles the First of England was given a silver pocket sundial by Eleanor of Aquitaine because he was always late for his meetings with her. During the 18th century clocks and watches began to take the place of sundials, however, they were still quite unreliable, and sundials were used to set the "true" time. As we all know, due to the rotation of the earth, the town 20 or 30 miles east or west of me would set their clocks slightly different from mine. However, by the end of the 19th century, time discrepancies began to matter a whole lot to everyone. The reason? The railroads demanded schedules. Trains demanded schedules, and schedules demanded standardization of time to accommodate clients and to avoid serious accidents. In 1884, a conference was held and four time zones for the United States [Eastern, Central, Mountain and Pacific] were agreed upon. All stations within each zone would carry the same time. Thus, train time, which was quite rigorously held to by the railroads, became the time that all citizens and the towns they lived in set their clocks by. When I was a boy, the noon train whistle became the signal for setting or checking clocks. Well, Grandpa, your pocket watch is still ticking telling me that it is time to post another week's article. Thank you for giving me your time piece. Lynn, do as your doctor says ... we want your time to be there for you. Oh, me Father will turn over in he grave with this one ... do you know what an Irishman misses most? An Irish meadow with its forty shades of green! e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Hi Karima, Thank you so much for the response, but unfortunately I don't think that is "my" Elizabeth Gibbs. Mine was probably born in about 1853. The Elizabeth you found would have been abt. 55 when my grandmother was born. :-( I must learn to put the birth date down on my query. Again, thanks so much. Joyce

Allyn Grove Parish Cemetery, Block 15, Lot 2 Vergennes, Jackson County, IL GIBBS, Elizabeth September 30, 1819 - March 27, 1902 Other surnames buried in this "lot": KILLION, BRADLEY, HARRIS In the same cemetery, block 62, lot 2 John B. and Ottilia GIBBS (If these are of interest to you, I will send you the information on them.) Hope this helps, Karima ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Hennessy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: [ILJACKSON] death record > Hi Listers! > I have really hit a brick wall - I would love to know the death date and the > burial place of a grgrandmother of mine. Her name was Elizabeth "possibly > Lizzie" Nall Gibbs. She died somewhere between 1895 and 1899. She is not > on the 1900 census. Thanks for any help in this matter. > Joyce McDaniel Hennessy > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/2003

Hi Listers! I have really hit a brick wall - I would love to know the death date and the burial place of a grgrandmother of mine. Her name was Elizabeth "possibly Lizzie" Nall Gibbs. She died somewhere between 1895 and 1899. She is not on the 1900 census. Thanks for any help in this matter. Joyce McDaniel Hennessy

I got this email from one of my lists the yesterday. Aol has a new spam blocking tool where you highlight unwanted mail, then click on a "block" button. it then sends a report to Aol, and blocks any email from that address. Aol has sued several people as well as filed criminal charges. Sound great right??? Apparently, it has it's flaws. People have been blocking mail from the rootsweb discussion lists, instead of unsubscribing when they are no longer interested. Here's the email I received: Several days ago AOL began blocking all emails sent by USGenNet's server. : This means that list subscribers who have AOL addresses can't receive the : list posts.  Also, USGenNet account holders with AOL addresses can't use : their email aliases to forward their site's mail to their AOL address. This : holds true for all domains hosted by USGenNet, including ALHN and AHGP main : sites, USGenWeb Census Project, Combs Families, and TNGenWeb just to name a : few. : All mail originating from our server to any AOL address bounces back with : this message: : : "The information presently available to AOL indicates this server is : generating high volumes of member complaints from AOL's member base. Based : on AOL's Unsolicited Bulk E-mail policy at : http://www.aol.com/info/bulkemail.html AOL : may not accept further e-mail transactions from this server or domain. For : more information, please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com." I called AOL Saturday and they specified what they felt warranted their : block, and I passed the information on to Jim Cole, our SysAdmin.  Jim has : tested, and re-tested, but can't find anything to their claims. Our server : is not open to indescriminate use or abuse and is very secure. : : Since I was told by AOL that the block will not ever be lifted unless : USGenNet corrects the "problems" they mentioned, it seems unlikely : that the block will be removed any time soon and those affected should act : accordingly. : : We are continuing our efforts to get the block removed, and will keep you : informed. : : Ginger Cisewski : President, USGenNet.Org : Melissa Foster-Rose "My Family Tree is Full of NUTS!!! www.angelfire.com/ky3/nuts FOR MORE INFO, SEE ABOVE WEBPAGE!! Researching the following surnames: BIRT, BOLIN-OSBORNE, BRAY, BRONAUGH, BROWN, BUCKLES, CANADA, CARRICK, CARTER, CHAMPION, CHANDLER, CHEW, COWGER/KOGER/COGER, DAVENPORT, DICKERSON, DICKS/DIX/DIECKS, DOAN/DOANE, DUNNING, EYE, FOSTER, FRARY, GREEN, HARVEY, HAWKS, HIATT, HINSDALE, HOLLAND, KELLY, LARIMER, MADDOCK, MCGREW, MCMICAN, MCPHERSON, MELTON, MENDENHALL, NEWLIN, OSBORNE, PARKER, RARIDEN, VAUGHN, WELLS, WOODWARD, ZORN. ALSO, ROSE, PETTY, MCHUGH, CLINE

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 3 August 2003 Vol 2 Issue: #28 ISBN: pending Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, When I walked into the Genealogy Office on Wednesday morning last, my friend Gene, asked, "What happened to this week's article?" I had to answer "fatigue". We had spent the weekend in the Windy City, Chicago with three grands and one daughter touring the Field Museum. The dino named "Sue" was the big attraction, but we did lots of other things also. When we returned home Sunday evening, there was a house full of furniture to cram into the living/dining area so a new carpet could be installed. Monday night the reverse moving of furniture, by this time it was Wednesday already. The article which follows was written in Chicago and would have been ready to mail out if I had had the energy. This week the catch word is "preservation" because the family spent the weekend in Chicago Museums and Aquariums. The main objective was to see and visit "Sue", the dinosaur at the Chicago Field Museum. Museums preserve our history. It was crowded, and it was hot, but seven year old grandson spent several hours observing and departing his knowledge of huge reptiles and Egyptology, as well as asking more questions than Carter had "Little Liver Pills". My digital camera took many pictures for him. The word, preserve ... preservation, again allowed my mind to wander, as I remembered the preserves my daughter gives me each year to spread upon my morning toast. And, this thought runs ramped exciting my taste buds. Now, I'm not a King, by any stretch, and strawberry jam is favored over orange marmalade, but I remember marmalade always being on Grandma Lester's table. Then, somewhere in the family there was apple jam, ... apricot, blackberry, elderberry, cherry, blueberry, gooseberry, elderberry, loganberry, and even ... grape jams. Other jam delights were offered in the homes of friends: passion fruit, and even fig jam. Oh, and I forgot quince; and, wild plum from those that grew along the country roadsides in Nuckolls county, Nebraska. I don't wish to put down marmalade. In my seven decades there has been offered and enjoyed such marmalades as orange, grapefruit, tangerine, cumquat, and even lemon. Golly, rhubarb suddenly popped into my mine, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, such as mincemeat. This is opening Pandora's Box [E=MC squared]. Then there is the family of picked foods. Besides picked beets, there were pickled cucumbers, sweet and dill pickles, gherkins, onions, cabbages, green tomatoes, mixed vegetables such as cauliflower, beans, and carrots. In addition there were pickled eggs, apples, orange slices, plums, pears and peaches. Golly, Molly, how could I forget raisins to spice up the tastes? My gastric juices flowing as they are reminds me that my relatives would work all day and maybe several days doing all this "preserving" for winter fare. Usually the Grandmas and their daughters would gather and for the day hands and tongues were extremely busy. As a boy I would hang around closely ... not to listen to the chatter, but hoping for the "taste testing" ... the sampling of the "goings-on". Everyone of my Aunts and Great Aunts were great cooks. These family gatherings not only created the preserves we ate, they were the things that preserved the nuclear and broader families. And, today in a few dishes that I've learned to prepare I remind myself of these family gatherings. However, as much and as hard as I've tried, I cannot make the biscuits like they did. They were thick and light, always served warm. They tell me that it was all in the "lard". Well, I substitute Bisquick. For one of our daughters who asked what "buckle" in Blueberry Buckle meant: It is the "archaic" term used to describe a crisp curl or ripples/crinkles in the top crisp of the desert. Another way to imagine a crisp curl is to think of bacon curling in a fry pan. Well, the canning day was part of the life of our family. Jars with rubber rings and glass lids and a spring clip to hold the lid down were sterilized. There also were lacquered metal discs or ceramic caps with screw bands to secure the lids. These also had rubber rings to insure good seals. The glass jars had to be the type which could withstand sterilization. I remember the large containers used to do this and to give the preserves their final "water bath". There had to be a mesh rack to spare hands from the boiling water and to keep the jars off the bottom of the pan. Seems I remember jar tongs to lift then in and out of the hot water. A thermometer was needed to track the water temperature. In town we used gas to heat the water, but if we were in the country visiting Great Grandma Ames or one of the Great Aunts, wood burning stoves were used for heating the water. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ADAMS, WARREN, DRAKE, WOOLRICK, ASA Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/332 Message Board Post: Looking for information on the Adams of Fountain Bluff. Elijah (Elisha or Eligha) b 1824 Morgan Co KY m. Eliza Warren b 1834 Illinois, had the following children: Lucy A Adams b. 1854 MO, John Adams b. 1856 MO, Thomas Adams b 1859 Randolph CO IL, Daniel Adams b 1864 Jackson Co, James Adams b 1868 Jackson Co IL. When Eliza died Elijah remarried in 1886 to Mary Wollrick. Elijah's parents were Wesyune Adams sp? and Sally Wilson. John Adams b 1856 married twice. The second marriage was to Isabella Franzia Drake m. 1883. (Her parents were Charley Drake and Julia Bradshaw) They had two children Allie 1884 and Manuel 1886 then John died and Isabella remarried John Asa m 1890 in Dongola, Il and moved to Missouri where she died 1896 in Parma, MO. If you have any information please reply to this or send me an email at [email protected]