Velda, James Bilderback and William are the brothers of Elizabeth McConnell, the former Elizabeth Bilderback Crain. She married Cuthbert S Crain first in Randolph Co, in 1837. He was the son of Benjamin Crain. When Cuthbert died she married Moses McConnell. I also know James was in Dunklin Co, MO in the 1870 census and Moses McConnell died at his house there in 1867. He moved to Missouri in 1861. I am trying to trace him form 1850 to 1860. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velda Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [ILJACKSON] Bilderback, James C > I see James Bilderback in hte household of Moses McCormack, 30, M, Farmer. > James was 27 and also a farmer, born in IL. William Bilderback was 13. > There is not much else in this census. They were family #887. > > Velda Moore > 3 Forest Court > Chester, IL 62233 > phone: 618-826-4169 > [email protected] > [email protected] > http://www.larrett.com/velda/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrcgs/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Crain [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILJACKSON] Bilderback, James C > > > I am looking for any information on who these two might be. > > BILDERBACK, JAMES C ROBERTS, LODOSKIA > 02/25/1855 / JACKSON > > I have a James Bilderback that I know was in either Jackson or Randolph > County until after 1860. He moved to Dunklin County, MO in 1861. He is in > the 1870 census of that county with 3 children but no wife. I have not found > him in the 1860 census yet. > > Thanks > Randy Crain > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > Do you have a resource you could share with the list members? Would you be > willing to do some "lookups" for a limited time period? If you would, > please let the members know. Thank you! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator mailto:[email protected] > List Guidelines: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/JacksonCoWelcome.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I see James Bilderback in hte household of Moses McCormack, 30, M, Farmer. James was 27 and also a farmer, born in IL. William Bilderback was 13. There is not much else in this census. They were family #887. Velda Moore 3 Forest Court Chester, IL 62233 phone: 618-826-4169 [email protected] [email protected] http://www.larrett.com/velda/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrcgs/ -----Original Message----- From: Randy Crain [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILJACKSON] Bilderback, James C I am looking for any information on who these two might be. BILDERBACK, JAMES C ROBERTS, LODOSKIA 02/25/1855 / JACKSON I have a James Bilderback that I know was in either Jackson or Randolph County until after 1860. He moved to Dunklin County, MO in 1861. He is in the 1870 census of that county with 3 children but no wife. I have not found him in the 1860 census yet. Thanks Randy Crain ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== Do you have a resource you could share with the list members? Would you be willing to do some "lookups" for a limited time period? If you would, please let the members know. Thank you! ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I am looking for any information on who these two might be. BILDERBACK, JAMES C ROBERTS, LODOSKIA 02/25/1855 / JACKSON I have a James Bilderback that I know was in either Jackson or Randolph County until after 1860. He moved to Dunklin County, MO in 1861. He is in the 1870 census of that county with 3 children but no wife. I have not found him in the 1860 census yet. Thanks Randy Crain

Dear Jo, Try to fit in a visit to the Jackson Co. Historical Soc. while you are here. They have lots there, including an extensive obit file and death indexes, and info from neighboring counties. A knowledgable volunteer will help you there. They are in Murphysboro at 224 S. 17th St., and open Wed, Thurs, Fri noon-3 and Thur 6:30-9 PM. Just checking the books I have at my home, I find in the 1878 Jackson County History that a John W. Thornton from Jackson Co. enlisted in the Civil War from the county and died in the war. My 1920 Farm Families of Jackson includes a John Thornton who resided at sec 31 of Elk tsp and had been there since 1878. His wife and children are listed. Good luck, Juli Claussen Search & Genealogy Services [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo and Kit Kramer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [ILJACKSON] Thornton/Carden > I have been searching for the parents of Martha THORNTON born ca 1831 in IL for a long time. She married Samuel Stack BROWNING in Jackson Co. Dec 1848. > On the 1870 census for Franklin Co, Il there was a 71 year old Mary THORNTON with Samuel Stack BROWNING and Martha THORNTON. > On 1840 census for Jackson County there is a Jane Carden. This person is related somehow to Martha Thornton. Jane Carden was on this census also. There was 1 male 15-20 and 1 female 60-70. The only other Thornton was a John. 1 under 5, 1: 15-20, 1: 40-50: that was the males... females: 1 under 5, 1:10-15, 1; 30-40. I don't have Martha Thornton's exact date of birth, so she may be the 10-15 year old. We are leaving for Jackson, Perry and Franklin County on Monday. We only have 2 days so don't know how much I'll get done because I because I have BROWNING, THORNTON, LECROY and others all within a 5 county radius and I need lots of obits from the library in DuQuoin. Any help would be very helpful especially before we leave. Thanks Jo Kramer. > > > ==== ILJACKSO Mailing List ==== > Please remember when replying to a query REPLY TO THE LIST so your message goes out to the entire list. This will ensure that the information is archived, which may be of help to someone else in the future. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I have been searching for the parents of Martha THORNTON born ca 1831 in IL for a long time. She married Samuel Stack BROWNING in Jackson Co. Dec 1848. On the 1870 census for Franklin Co, Il there was a 71 year old Mary THORNTON with Samuel Stack BROWNING and Martha THORNTON. On 1840 census for Jackson County there is a Jane Carden. This person is related somehow to Martha Thornton. Jane Carden was on this census also. There was 1 male 15-20 and 1 female 60-70. The only other Thornton was a John. 1 under 5, 1: 15-20, 1: 40-50: that was the males... females: 1 under 5, 1:10-15, 1; 30-40. I don't have Martha Thornton's exact date of birth, so she may be the 10-15 year old. We are leaving for Jackson, Perry and Franklin County on Monday. We only have 2 days so don't know how much I'll get done because I because I have BROWNING, THORNTON, LECROY and others all within a 5 county radius and I need lots of obits from the library in DuQuoin. Any help would be very helpful especially before we leave. Thanks Jo Kramer.

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 6 June 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #22 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, June 6th 1875 [ten years before the birth of Grandma Oliver] marks the birth of Thomas Mann, the German Noble novelist, who was among those of an intellectual movement that sought to bring closer harmony among peoples. Psychologically, a cup of coffee upon rising for the day is a must. Also, all my life I have preferred "real" mayonnaise to that other spread on my bread. I liken it to my Dad's insistence for using butter and not oleomargarine. [Remember those little packets of coloring that had to be mixed with your oleo?] There are few things original, but there are always new things to experience. Barb and I have two Grandchildren graduating from High School this week. The following story is my commencement address to them. It is about mayonnaise and coffee. I heard this story some years ago and recently read a copy. Unfortunately, I do not know the author. It begins: A college professor standing before his philosophy class had some items lying in front of him on the desk. When the class began, he picked up a large [very large ... restaurant size] and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. Without debate they agreed that it was so. The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He shook the jar gently, to allow the maximum number of pebbles to enter the jar. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Once more, with a little shaking, the sand filled up any remaining space. Once again he asked the students if the jar was full. They responded with an unanimous "yes". The professor then produced two cups of coffee from one of the lower desk drawers and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty spaces between the sand. Riotous laughter was the reaction of the students. When the laughter had subsided, the professor said, "Now, I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things -- your God, your Family, your future children, your health, your friends, and your favorite passions -- things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, and your car. The sand is everything else -- all that small stuff. "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is not room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Play another 18 holes. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." At this point one of the students raised a hand and asked what the coffee represented. The professor exhibited a slow smile and a twinkle in his eye. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, Kate and Blake, congratulations and when things in your life seem almost two much to handle, when twenty-four hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar, and the coffee. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: It is my intention to take a week off. See you on the 20th of June. = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 30 May 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #21 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, I just received word that my cousin in Peducah, KY heard what sounded like a train roaring toward her home. She reports that there indeed was a tornado which did some damage to their home. We hope nothing more serious to everyone in that area. Today is Decoration Day; the day we remember those who have died in our nation's service. We call it Memorial Day now. Everyone has their favorite story as to how it all began. The earliest known decorating the graves of soldiers were by southern women's groups before the close of the hostilities of the Civil War. President Lyndon Johnson declared [officially] the Memorial Day birthplace as Waterloo, NY in 1966. In 1868, General John Logan, as National Commander of the Grand Army of the Republic proclaimed on May 5th in the General Order No. 11, that on 30 May 1868, flowers were to be placed on the graves of Union and Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery. Though it all began as honoring those who died fighting int the Civil War, it was changed to honoring all Americans who died fighting in any war following World War I. When I was a boy, they sold poppies to be worn on Memorial Day to honor those who died. It became a tradition to sell poppies for Memorial Day with the proceeds going to the benefit of servicemen in need. This idea spread to France, where artificial flowers were made and sold for the benefit of war orphaned children and widowed women. The original meaning of the day has diminished in the minds and hearts of many Americans. In December 2000, the National Moment of Remembrance resolution was passed. This resolution asks all Americans to stop for a moment and observe remembrance and respect at 3 p.m. I noticed in my Sunday comics section that Garry Trudeau used six frames of the Doonesbury strip to list those who gave their lives in Iraq. He used their Christian names; not their initials. To restore the original meaning to Memorial Day, there are two bills laying in Congress; Senate Bill S189 and House Bill HR1474 which have never gotten out of committee. Well, very distant cousin, John Logan gets my thanks for his input for this day. Dad was a career Marine and served in WWII and Korea. But, I also like to remember Mom. Her name was May, not "Rosie", but she did what was encouraged for women during World War II, she worked in a factory for the War Effort. I can still see her walking along the Anthony Wayne Trail in Toledo, Ohio from Grandma's home to Bunting Brass and Bronze Company. There she made brass casings for artillery shells and bushings for airplanes. I also remember those full pants Mom wore in those days. Mom was one of six million "Rosies". The Rosie icon symbolized the strength and unwaivering support of our country. So while Dad was overseas doing his part, so Mom did her part on the home front filling in for those men who were overseas. The pay was somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty plus dollars a week. Mom used much of it to pay off debts of the Depression days. A couple of years ago, the most famous of the Rosie paintings was sold at auction for almost five million dollars. It was the painting of Rosie the Riveter by Norman Rockwell. To see it and read the story behind it, visit <http://www.rosietheriveter.org/painting.htm>. Bless all who have served this country in what ever capacity. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pabst, Loos Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/199.1 Message Board Post: I do not know if I have talked to you before. But my link to this family id that my great- great uncle Jacob Loos married Philippina Pabst. She was the oldest of the family. Daniel was second born and the had a bother named Adam he was the three olest. I do not know how much information you have. I do have copy of there marriage licenseand a copy of her and his death certificate. For jacob Loos and and Philippiane Pabst. I have her mother and fathers name. Nicholas Pabst born in Phiffelbach and her mothers name is Philippine Stoll born in Phiffelbach that is what is said on her death certificate. she was born on Dec 13, 1866 and died on 6 Oct 1935 in Pinckneyville, Perry Co, Ill. She and Jacob are buried inMiller Hill Cemetery. Buried on 8 Oct 1935. I have more info. Please write me back

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 23 May 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #20 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, Daniel Radcliffe [Harry Potter] recently was interviewed and is attributed as saying that he wasn't a reader before reading the first Harry Potter book but has now gone on to reading other books. Our youngest grandchild, about to turn six years, is constantly asking what this or that word is. She reads every printed word she finds. Her reading curiosity is insatiable. Reading is probably the greatest thing to do, next to maybe writing. I fully admit that I learn something when I pick up a book, or a newspaper, or open a letter. In fact, last week I was reading an article by my favorite columnist, Roberta DeBoer, in The Blade, Toledo's daily newspaper. She was writing about the dismantling of a backyard swing set long used by her daughter. Ms DeBoer was describing an event in her family that would [or at least should] become a recording of treasure. A story that will live on into future generations. It is one of life's small details that characterizes our existence. It belongs in a family "scrapbook" or history. My wife began a notebook many years ago containing the cute and riotous sayings of our children. These bring back many fond memories. Following that, we began memory books for our grandchildren. They contain the trips and events that we, the grandparents, and those children shared. They contain such pictures and accounts, such as the great salt flats when they looked like a great sea ... the surface was covered with a couple inches of water. The pictures show two grandchildren wading. Memories like these are the very first things to slip away and time flies by so quickly in the hectic days we all live. These books serve as "scrapbooks" of memories. Scrapbook is a modern operative word which has turned into a huge craft industry. Today, scrapbooks are a throwback to past generations. That industry would convince us that they must be made of "acid-free" paper and that pages must be fashioned ever so artistically. Well, the acid-free sheets are OK, but too much artistic endeavor really does take most of the fun out of it in addition to detracting from the memory it preserves. It could well be that this modern craze is a type of resistence of our high-speed/high-tech world of computers, palm-pilots, pagers and cell-phones. It is wonderful to turn pages of memory books and reminisce. Our family made a scrapbook for my Mother-in-Law for her 80th birthday celebration. We put many pictures in it and each relative and friend wrote something to place in it. Today, our Son-in-Law handed me a two page written essay that our daughter had written for that occasion. He had found her copy and thought that I would appreciate having it for our family history. It did bring some lumps to my throat. Archivists, those professionals that preserve our famous historical documents, advise us to file our documents away in dust-free, archival paper and never let it see the light of day. They are concerned with exposure to temperature, light, dust, and the acid contained in our former ways to preserve documents. However, what good is Grandma's picture if her great grandchildren never see it? With our modern tech equipment we can scan our pictures and documents and print them. We can then store the originals in such archival materials as we wish and still display them out where they can be appreciated. Scrapbooks can be purchased and usually come in sizes like 12 X 12 inches, even 14 X 18 inches. However, they also come in 8 ½ X 11 inches. This size is easier for older folks to handle and also convenient for copying. Old black and white photos can be arranged on pages of muted color and soft design to enhance their attractiveness. However, it is not the best of ideas to use complicated backgrounds, they tend to detract from the heritage being preserved. It is Graduation time. We have two grandchildren graduating in the next couple of weeks. Yesterday we had a picnic party to celebrate one's graduation and birthday. I took some pictures and when I got home yesterday I edited them and put them on a CD. Today, on her real birthday, at her choir concert, I gave this disk to her to help build her scrapbook. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Little Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 16 May 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #19 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, On this date in 1975, Japanese climber Junko Tabei became the first woman to reach the summit of Mount Everest. An admiral feat. Many of our ancestral grandmothers married very young by our modern standards. On May the sixteenth in 1770, Marie Antoinette, age 14, married the future King Louis XVI of France, who was 15. My Grandma's Mother was also married at fourteen, and when she married my Great Grandpa, it was her third marriage and she was 24 years old. Grandma Oliver waited until she was seventeen to marry Grandpa. As prices for gasoline rose this week to more than two dollars a gallon and I read about the supposed reasons for this, I was reminded that another rise in cost of a petroleum derivative occurred about the time Grandma Oliver was six years old. Though candles and various oils, such as whale oil, were still used, it was in the 1860s that kerosene was in widespread use for lighting the homes in this country. I remember kerosene lamps being used in the homes of many of my non-city dwelling relatives. Kerosene lamps were filthy black each morning and had to be cleaned. This was one of my chores when visiting overnight or longer. There also was the smell of the kerosene. The wicks needed trimming after each use. And, to top it off, this fuel was "highly" flammable ... kerosene was dangerous. Urban dwellers, at least those who could afford the installation and lived near available sources, began using gaslight. It was cleaner and much less demanding. Still, most Americans of the late 1800s could not afford gas for lighting, and continued to use kerosene lamps. Just as individuals could not afford gaslight, collectively they could afford gaslight for street lights and installation in other public places, such as schools, train stations, hospitals, government buildings. Various types of business also could afford the installation for gaslight ... hotels, factories, barrooms, theaters, department stores, etc. With the invention of the incandescent electric light bulb, gas companies went into panic mode. As electric power began to replace gas as the illumination source, gas companies began to consolidate and raise their prices while reducing the quality of the fuel. The year Grandma Oliver was born [1885], the Consolidated Gas Company raised its prices a whopping 25%. Gas company users formed Associations and in New York, demanded that the legislature investigate price gouging. An article in the Harper's Weekly for May 14, 1881 commented that the gas industry "...make[s] just what gas they please, charge what they want for it, and slap the customer's face, so to speak, if he dares to protest against either the quality or the price." A subsiding of public outrage occurred in New York with legislature capping the price of gas and the establishment of new competing gas companies. In the early years of the last century, gas began to be used in American homes, not for illumination, but for use in home appliances such as stoves, water heaters and furnaces. As we utilize new and "better" products we alter our behavior. Technology ... the innovative technology of gas and electricity with light fixtures throughout our homes and central heating has allowed our family members their space, or allowed for the separation of the family. The traditional forms of lighting with fireplaces, kerosene and oil lamps, and candles brought the members of a family into close proximity to each other. Always there are tradeoffs which force us into new ways of relationships. Speaking of such, before we owned a telephone in the home, when Grandma needed to complain about an electric bill, she would take a twenty minute bus ride to the corporate office to speak with a person with authority to take action. Today it takes longer than that to reach a "real" person at the corporate office, in whatever unknown location, who has no authority to take any action. That's progress! <grin> e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: = = = = http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

Egypt Heritage Articles Stories of Southern Illinois (c) Bill Oliver 2 May 2004 Vol 3 Issue: #18 ISBN: pending Osiyo, Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen of Little Egypt, In "America" we have grown with the idea that this was the land of opportunity and that anyone could rise above his birth station in society. It has to be recognized that there are few social systems that are so rigid that the possibility of rising to higher classes is impossible. In the feudal systems of the past, if ambition drove a youth he might attend a university if he could find the means. Thus, he could prepare himself for a position in the state or the church. Also, he could, by moving to "town" earn and save enough money to become a burgher and thus elevate himself into the gentry class. It is true, however, that these avenues from one's inherited status or position were arduous paths and few at that. I pondered this during the week, in aa effort to discover what country life was like in the 1600s for my ancestry in the lowlands of Scotland and what it was like after they arrived in this country during the same 1600s. They both apparently liked rural isolated lifestyles. It is most difficult to imagine either lifestyle stripped of romanticism, but not impossible from the facts. Country life was mean and is difficult to conceive in this twenty-first century. In our early history pioneers clustered close for mutual protection. In the lowlands, a cluster of hovels supported the tenants and their helpers. A home most likely was constructed with field stones, banked with turf. No mortar was used but straw, heather or moss was stuffed into the "cracks" to keep out the "blasts" [of wind]. The roof was thatch or turf and the floor was earth. There was no chimney, but rather a hole in the peak of the roof to let smoke escape. Because the roof eventually became smoke clotted the room was often filled with clouds of smoke. As in very ancient of days, animals were tethered in one section of the room at night while the family slept at the other end. Not the most sanitary of situations. Yet, with the animals and vermin thus occupying the room, it was "warm" [so to speak]. Disease was propagated since the people had no knowledge of germs or the spread of disease or sanitary precautions or quarantine. It was a practice on the Sabbath for neighbors to gather at the hut of the sick to extend sympathy. The hovels would become stifling with heat and the visitors would walk away as carriers of disease. Small pox was a particularly devastating recurrent illness. Much like our western plains, the Scottish Lowlands were nearly treeless; unlike our Black Swamp of northwestern Ohio or the swamps of Southern Illinois. Thus, wood was valuable enough to salvage from one abode to another. However, like our swamp areas, the Lowland swamps, bogs and morasses were breeding grounds for mosquitoes and Malaria was common. Rheumatism was also a constant companion of these folks. The work had to be done in wet weather as in fair. Clothes were seldom changed, thus wet clothing was worn indoors and the Rheumatis' a common complaint. Houses had little furniture. Beds were bundles of straw and heather laid out on the floor. Often seats were flat boulders. Although plaid and bonnet [types of material] were the usual dress, some folk were forced to wear animal skins for clothing. From what I can discern, plaid was at first the crisscrossing of the natural white and black wool yarns to form a pattern. Black being the less available it was used intermittently. Flax was grown in some places, but the preferred means for material making was wool made into yarn. April 26th, 1607 marks the expedition of English colonists coming ashore at Cape Henry, Va., to establish the first permanent English settlement in the Western Hemisphere. Also in 1785 naturalist and artist John James Audubon was born in Haiti. In 1900, Seismologist Charles Richter was born in Hamilton, Ohio. On 27 April 1865, the steamer Sultana exploded on the Mississippi River near Memphis, Tenn., killing more than 1,400 Union prisoners of war and in 1822, Ulysses S. Grant, the 18th president of the United States, was born in Point Pleasant, Ohio. The only woman that I know that could really sing the National Anthem was born on the first of May 1907. However, that National Anthem was not the Star Spangled Banner, it was "God Bless America". When President Roosevelt introduced her to King George VI of England, he did so by saying, "Miss Smith is America". Would you believe she lived with her real name her entire life? She was born Kathryn Elizabeth Smith. Though she did not talk until she was aged four years, she was singing in her church at age five. On November 11, 1938, Kate Smith sang the song written especially for her by Irving Berlin .... "God Bless America". From that time forward she was associated with patriotism and patriotic themes. In one 18-hour session or broadcasting marathon, she inspired Americans to buy $107 million dollars worth of War Bonds for World War II. e-la-di-e-das-di ha-wi nv-wa-do-hi-ya nv-wa-to-hi-ya-da. (May you walk in peace and harmony) Wado, Bill -=- PostScript: Other sites worth visiting: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SOIL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ILMASSAC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/state/BillsArticles/LittleEgypt/intro.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/353.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Brenda: 1st Generation Drury Wall, b. abt. 1723, Brunswick, VA m. Sarah Unknown Children: 2nd Generation Bird (Burd) Valentine Wall b. in Chester, SC, d. 11/1831 in Wilson, TN m. (1) Unknown Children: Rebecca Wall, abt. 1786, SC Burell Wall, abt. 1793, SC Bird Wall, abt. 1776, Sc Evan "Ivin" Wall, SC Benjamin Wall, abt. 1800, SC Joseph Wall, abt. 1801, SC Adam Wall, abt. 1805, Wilson, TN Elizabeth Wall, abt. 1807, Wilson, TN m. (2) Christian Kidwell, b. abt. 1790 in NC on 1/8/1821 in Wilson, TN Children: William Carrol Wall, b. 11/15/1821, Wilson, TN Sarah Wall, b. 7/20/1822, Wilson, TN Frederick Wall, b. Abt. 1825, Wilson, TN Minerva Wall, b. Abt. 1828, Wilson, TN 3rd Generation William Carrol Wall, b. 11/15/1821, d. May 1884 in Franklin County, IL, buried East Fork, Franklin County, m. (1) Martha D. Ice, b. 15 May 1824 in AL on 9 Apr 1840 in Franklin County, IL. Martha died in 1858 Children of William and Martha: Bird Valentine Wall, b. 1 Feb 1841 in Franklin County, IL, d. 2/21/1922, Clay, Arkansas John A. Wall, b. 19 Mar 1842 in Franklin County, IL, d. Dec 1850 William Carrol Wall, b. 4 Aug 1845 in Franklin County, IL, d. 17 Jun 1887 in Franklin County, IL Frederick Wall, b. 4 Aug 1848 in Franklin County, IL, d. 1906 in Clay, Arkansas Riley R. Wall, b. 28 Jul 1851 in Franklin County, IL, d. 3/25/1940 Thomas Samuel Wall, b. 3 Dec 1854 in Franklin County, IL, d. 1937 in Clay Arkansas Winfield Scott Wall, b. 23 Oct 1857 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL, d. 1952 in West Frankfort, Franklin County, IL m. (2) of William to Lucinda G. McKee, b. 4 Jun 1833, in Todd, KY on 19 Jun 1859 in Saline County, IL. Lucinda died 4 Sep 1929 in Franklin County, IL Children of William and Lucinda: 1.Martha Jane, b. 11 Jul 1860 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL 2.Nancy Melvina, b. 8 Apr 1863 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL; d. 28 May 1863 same place 3.Miles Grant, b. 16 May 1864 4.Susan Lucinda, b. 21 Jan 1866 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL; d. 10 Jun 1916. She married Frank Klutts. 5.Sary Allis, b. 27 Dec 1867, d. 1 May 1868 6.Emma Louella, b. 22 Jan 1871 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL; d. 25 Sep 1959. She married John A. Melvin Children of Emma and John were: Harry, 1893 Leonard, 1896 Virgil, 1897 Elbert, 1897 Flora, 1902 Cleo, 1905 Bertha, 1906 Beulah, 1907 7.Luizy, b. 29 Jan 187? 8.Drucilla "Ciller", b. 24 Mar 1874 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL; d. 22 May 1969. She married Hardy Melvin on 2 Sep 1906. They had two children: Gladys and Carrie **Bird Valentine Wall, half brother to Martha Jane Wall, married Mary Carter, sister of Don Carter. Hope this helps! Kim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/353.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Brenda: A little more on the Carter family. In the 1850 census for Franklin County, IL, they were listed as follows: L.H. Carter, VA Matilda, KY Louisa, daughter, 1832, TN Joe, son, 1838, TN Mary, 1842, TN (see next posting in regards to the Wall family for Mary also) William, son, 1845, IL Amanda, daughter, 1847, IL Don, son, 1849, IL Kim (See my next posting regarding the Wall family.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/353.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Kim, no I haven't looked at the family tree on Martha Jane Walls because I don't know if or how to do it. I would appreciate any help on this. Thank You Brenda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Gg.2ADI/353.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Kin, no I haven't looke under the family tree for Martha Jane Wall. How do I access this? Thank You Brenda-

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/353.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm not sure if you knew who Don Donnie Carter's parents were. But I think they might have been Littleton H. Carter, b. 1809, Mecklenburg County, VA, d. 10/4/1882, IL and Matilda Beasley, b. 1816, KY. This couple appears on the 1860, 1870, and 1880 census data for Franklin County, IL, along with daughter, Amanda, b. abt. 1850 and son, Don, b. abt. 1853. Don is not on the 1880 census but Amanda still is. I thought this might be his parents but wasn't sure until you listed Don's firstborn son as William Littleton Carter. Did you look under the family trees and find the information relating to Martha Jane Walls? If you can't do this, let me know and I will tell you what appears there. Kim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gg.2ADI/353.1 Message Board Post: Martha Jane Wall, b. 7/11/1860 in Walltown, Franklin County, IL, d. 1/25/1932. Illinois State Archives have two different marriage dates for Don Donnie Carter and Martha J. Wall: 9/4/1877 or 2/5/1879, both in Franklin County, IL Her parents were William Carrol Wall, b. 11/15/1821 in Wilson County, TN; d. 5/1884 in Franklin County, IL and Lucinda G. McKee (Morton), b. 6/4/1833 in Todd, KY If you look in the family trees, you will see this family listed with extensive research done on all of the children. However, Martha's lineage only states that she married Don Donnie Carter and there are no children listed. I tried to do a search on Don Carter and Martha after they were married and could not find anything. Do you know where the children were born? This could help in locating this family. Hope this helps. Kim

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Hi folks. I am sending this email to everyone in my address book. Would you all please look and see if you have me in your address book as [email protected]? The reason I ask is that someone here has that address in their system for me and you have a virus. I have a cousin who is receiving emails from [email protected] that contains the new virus that is floating around. Since I stopped using that email address December 30, 2003, the email is not coming from me but rather from someone who has my old email address. Strongly recommend you get Norton's anti-virus software. Thanks all. George Basden Photography [email protected] http://www.basden.com