A friend sent me this and I am just sharing. Shirley: [email protected] Some interesting reading...Civil War Engineers (Train Employees). If your ancestor fell into the below categories - and why they are not listed with The National Archives. I [Marty at: [email protected]] have a family letter that states that my ggggreat-grandfather, John Stevens, was an fireman (engineer) for the P.R.R. on one of the first (Union) runs into the South during the Civil War. He was killed during the battle. I have found online that train engineers were not required to enlist in the war - this explain why he is not listed with the National Archives. I am looking for his burial. Does anyone know where engineers would have been buried? My thought is probably somewhere around Philippi. This battle involved troops from Ohio and he was from Cincinnati. ********** Can't answer your questions directly but did find some interesting correspondence about the draft of railroad employees. In August, 1862, Thos. A. Scott, VP-PRR (there was also a Thomas A, Scott who was acting Secretary of War but don't know if they were the same) asked that all railroad employees be exempt from the draft. He sent the Secretary of War a draft letter and I've not been able to determine if it was actually adopted. The actual correspondence follow: "PITTSBURG, PA., August 6, 1862. Hon. E. M. STANTON, Secretary of War, Washington, D.C.: Can anything be done by the Government to relieve railway employes from draft in the same manner as telegraph officers? The organization of principal lines, all of which have been declared under Government control, will be seriously impaired, if not entirely disorganized, unless the Government will consider employes exempt from draft. Please answer. THOS. A. SCOTT, Vice-President Pennsylvania Railroad. ****************** WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington, D.C., August 6, 1862. THOMAS A. SCOTT, Esq., Pittsburg: An order similar in principle to that in respect to railroads might be made for those on which Government transportation is carried on, but it ought to be carefully guarded, as too many persons would seek its shelter. I would like to have your notion in the form of an order, and will endeavor to make one that may meet the case. Adams Express Company encouraged their employes to enlist in the service, and I think any order in respect to railroads ought to be as limited to actual necessity, or it may provoke hostility in the public mind. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War. ***************** PITTSBURG, PA., August 6, 1862. E. S. SANFORD: The telegraph is a very good thing, but you cannot carry men or munitions of war. Does not the Secretary think railways as essential to aid prosecuting the war as telegraphs, and if so must we not have to work them experts--men of experience and detail--and if so should not this class of men be exempt? I assure you this question is assuming a serious aspect. I hope the Secretary will not consider that I am, like newspapers, assuming to advise. G. W. CASS. ****************** WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington City, D.C., August 6, 1862. GEORGE W. CASS, Esq., Pittsburg:I have for some days been considering the question of military service as to railroad employes, and recognize the justice of the principle so far as it is applicable to them equally as to telegraph operators, provided it can be properly limited. Your views on the subject would be thankfully received, for I am anxious to be enlightened upon this as upon every other official duty. The principle that exempts telegraph operators is that they serve the Government in a special art known to but few persons, whose places cannot be supplied. The same principle might justly extend to engineers of locomotives, conductors, and brakesmen, but how much further it should go is a point of difficulty on which I would be glad to be informed. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War. ****************** WASHINGTON, D.C., August 6, 1862. THOMAS A. SCOTT, Vice-President Railroad Company, Pittsburg: Telegraph operators have already been exempted from draft. There is strong opposition to exempting railroad employes, and I do not know what will be the decision. H. W. HALLECK, General-in-Chief. **************** CHICAGO, August 7, 1862. Hon. E. M. STANTON: As the draft for soldiers is calculated to seriously embarrass the operations of the various railroads of the country by obstructing the services of engineers and machinists, which are indispensable, and looking to the vast importance of maintaining without interruption the facilities of the transportation, not only necessary to the military operations of the Government, but the commerce of the country, we respectfully ask your early consideration of extending an exemption of engineers, machinists, and other experts employed by railroads against draft, which can by no possibility be replaced without months of previous instruction. JAS. ROBB, Receiver Saint Louis, Alton and Chicago Railroad. G. L. DUNLAP, Superintendent Chicago and Northwestern Railroad. MAHONE D. OGDEN, President Chicago and Milwaukee Railroad. E. B. TALCOTT, General Superintendent Galena and Chicago Railroad. C. G. HAMMOND, Gen. Sup. Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad, Chicago, Ill. ************* SARATOGA, N. Y., August 8, 1862. (Received 5.30 p.m.) Hon. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War, Washington, D.C.: As we find a good deal of excitement among our employes on the subject of drafting, will you please inform me if locomotive engineers, firemen, and conductors who are essential to the running of trains, and of course transportation of the mail, are subject to draft? Please answer to this place. SAML. SLOAN, President Hudson River Railroad Company. ******************* WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington, August 8, 1862--9.55 p.m. SAMUEL SLOAN, Esq., President Hudson River Railroad, Saratoga, N. Y.: Locomotive engineers will be exempt on the same principle with telegraph operators; no others. By order of the Secretary of War: C. P. BUCKINGHAM, Brigadier-General and Assistant Adjutant-General. **************** PITTSBURG, PA., August 8, 1862. Hon. E. M. STANTON: I wrote you last night from Steubenville, but failed to get it in the mail. It will not reach you before Saturday evening or Sunday morning. The following form of order, it is believed, will effectually guard all interests and be >productive of great good. I submitted it to President Clement, of Cincinnati; T.L. Jewett, president Steubenville and Indiana, and J. N. McCullough, president Cleveland road, all of whom approve and desire speedy action, if it meets your approval. In my letter you will find some reasons why the necessity for action is pressing: Whereas the President of the United States has been authorized by an act of Congress to take possession of any or all the railways of the country, and so control their facilities and employes as might to him seem needful to the interest of the Government; and as it is now important to the Government and to the general business interests of the country that the organization of all railway companies should be kept in the highest state of efficiency for service, it is Ordered: 1. That all the officers, agents, engineers, firemen, mechanics, conductors, brake-men, and other employes that may have been in the service of the respective railway companies for at least three months previous to the date of the last call of the President for troops, the same are hereby exempted from military duty so long as they may remain in such service; provided that all agents and employes between the ages of eighteen and forty-five thus exempted from the provision of the laws authorizing drafting shall enroll themselves, under the military laws of the Government, and drill at least once each week, and shall in all cases of emergency be subject to military duty in the field when so ordered by the President. 2. Organizations under the order will be furnished arms and accouterments for drilling purposes, but will not be entitled to pay unless called into field for active service. 3. All employes of railway companies that may refuse or neglect to enroll themselves into military organizations, as set forth in this order, within sixty days from the date thereof, and all persons that may enter the service of any railway company after the date of this order, shall not be deemed or considered as being exempt from military duties. Very respectfully, THOS. A. SCOTT. ***********" Regards, Marty -----------------------------------------------------------------------
More than likely he was buried close to the battle. No embalming in those days and the smell would not allow them to keep him for shipping. Chick Rev. Marion L. Putnam papa chi to my great grand son now shortened to pa chi I USE ARCHIVE BOOKS IN MY RESEARCH http://www.archivecdbooks.org I SUPPORT FREE CENS ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: [ILHANCOC] [PRR] CIVIL WAR ENGINEERS/TRAIN EMPLOYEES > A friend sent me this and I am just sharing. Shirley: [email protected] > > Some interesting reading...Civil War Engineers (Train Employees). If > your ancestor fell into the below categories - and why they are not > listed with > The National Archives. > > I [Marty at: [email protected]] have a family letter that states > that my ggggreat-grandfather, John Stevens, was an fireman (engineer) > for the P.R.R. on one of the first (Union) runs into the South during > the Civil War. He was killed during the battle. I have found online that > train engineers were not required to enlist in the war - this explain > why he is not listed with the National Archives. > > I am looking for his burial. Does anyone know where engineers would have > been buried? My thought is probably somewhere around Philippi. This > battle involved troops from Ohio and he was from Cincinnati. > > ********** > > Can't answer your questions directly but did find some interesting > correspondence about the draft of railroad employees. In August, 1862, > Thos. A. Scott, VP-PRR (there was also a Thomas A, Scott who was acting > Secretary of War but don't know if they were the same) asked that all > railroad employees be exempt from the draft. He sent the Secretary of > War a draft letter and I've not been able to determine if it was > actually adopted. > The actual correspondence follow: > > "PITTSBURG, PA., August 6, 1862. > Hon. E. M. STANTON, > Secretary of War, Washington, D.C.: > Can anything be done by the Government to relieve railway employes from > draft in the same manner as telegraph officers? The organization of > principal lines, all of which have been declared under Government > control, will be seriously impaired, if not entirely disorganized, > unless the Government will consider employes exempt from draft. Please > answer. > THOS. A. SCOTT, > Vice-President Pennsylvania Railroad. > ****************** > WAR DEPARTMENT, > Washington, D.C., August 6, 1862. > THOMAS A. SCOTT, Esq., > Pittsburg: > An order similar in principle to that in respect to railroads might be > made for those on which Government transportation is carried on, but it > ought to be carefully guarded, as too many persons would seek its > shelter. I would like to have your notion in the form of an order, and > will endeavor to make one that may meet the case. Adams Express Company > encouraged their employes to enlist in the service, and I think any > order in respect to railroads ought to be as limited to actual > necessity, or it may provoke hostility in the public mind. > EDWIN M. STANTON, > Secretary of War. > ***************** > PITTSBURG, PA., August 6, 1862. > E. S. SANFORD: > The telegraph is a very good thing, but you cannot carry men or > munitions of war. Does not the Secretary think railways as essential to > aid prosecuting the war as telegraphs, and if so must we not have to > work them experts--men of experience and detail--and if so should not > this class of men be exempt? I assure you this question is assuming a > serious aspect. I hope the Secretary will not consider that I am, like > newspapers, assuming to advise. > G. W. CASS. > ****************** > WAR DEPARTMENT, > Washington City, D.C., August 6, 1862. > GEORGE W. CASS, Esq., > Pittsburg:I have for some days been considering the question of military > service as to railroad employes, and recognize the justice of the > principle so far as it is applicable to them equally as to telegraph > operators, provided it can be properly limited. Your views on the > subject would be thankfully received, for I am anxious to be enlightened > upon this as upon every other official duty. The principle that exempts > telegraph operators is that they serve the Government in a special art > known to but few persons, whose places cannot be supplied. The same > principle might justly extend to engineers of locomotives, conductors, > and brakesmen, but how much further it should go is a point of > difficulty on which I would be glad to be informed. > EDWIN M. STANTON, > Secretary of War. > ****************** > WASHINGTON, D.C., August 6, 1862. > THOMAS A. SCOTT, > Vice-President Railroad Company, Pittsburg: > Telegraph operators have already been exempted from draft. There is > strong > opposition to exempting railroad employes, and I do not know what will > be > the decision. > H. W. HALLECK, > General-in-Chief. > **************** > CHICAGO, August 7, 1862. > Hon. E. M. STANTON: > As the draft for soldiers is calculated to seriously embarrass the > operations of the various railroads of the country by obstructing the > services of engineers and machinists, which are indispensable, and > looking to the vast importance of maintaining without interruption the > facilities of the transportation, not only necessary to the military > operations of the Government, but the commerce of the country, we > respectfully ask your early consideration of extending an exemption of > engineers, machinists, and other experts employed by railroads against > draft, which can by no possibility be replaced without months of > previous instruction. > JAS. ROBB, > Receiver Saint Louis, Alton and Chicago Railroad. > G. L. DUNLAP, > Superintendent Chicago and Northwestern Railroad. MAHONE D. OGDEN, > President Chicago and Milwaukee Railroad. > E. B. TALCOTT, > General Superintendent Galena and Chicago Railroad. > C. G. HAMMOND, > Gen. Sup. Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad, Chicago, Ill. > ************* > SARATOGA, N. Y., August 8, 1862. > (Received 5.30 p.m.) > Hon. EDWIN M. STANTON, > Secretary of War, Washington, D.C.: > As we find a good deal of excitement among our employes on the subject > of > drafting, will you please inform me if locomotive engineers, firemen, > and > conductors who are essential to the running of trains, and of course > transportation of the mail, are subject to draft? Please answer to this > place. > SAML. SLOAN, > President Hudson River Railroad Company. > ******************* > WAR DEPARTMENT, > Washington, August 8, 1862--9.55 p.m. > SAMUEL SLOAN, Esq., > President Hudson River Railroad, Saratoga, N. Y.: > Locomotive engineers will be exempt on the same principle with telegraph > operators; no others. > By order of the Secretary of War: > C. P. BUCKINGHAM, > Brigadier-General and Assistant Adjutant-General. > **************** > PITTSBURG, PA., August 8, 1862. > Hon. E. M. STANTON: > I wrote you last night from Steubenville, but failed to get it in the > mail. It will not reach you before Saturday evening or Sunday morning. > The > following form of order, it is believed, will effectually guard all > interests and be >productive of great good. I submitted it to President > Clement, of Cincinnati; T.L. Jewett, president Steubenville and Indiana, > and J. N. McCullough, president Cleveland road, all of whom approve and > desire speedy action, if it meets your approval. In my letter you will > find some reasons why the necessity for action is pressing: > > Whereas the President of the United States has been authorized by an act > of Congress to take possession of any or all the railways of the > country, and so control their facilities and employes as might to him > seem needful to the interest of the Government; and as it is now > important to the Government and to the general business interests of the > country that the organization of all railway companies should be kept in > the highest state of efficiency for service, it is Ordered: > > 1. That all the officers, agents, engineers, firemen, mechanics, > conductors, brake-men, and other employes that may have been in the > service of the respective railway companies for at least three months > previous to the date of the last call of the President for troops, the > same are hereby exempted from military duty so long as they may remain > in such service; provided that all agents and employes between the ages > of eighteen and forty-five thus exempted from the provision of the laws > authorizing drafting shall enroll themselves, under the military laws of > the Government, and drill at least once each week, and shall > in all cases of emergency be subject to military duty in the field when > so > ordered by the President. > > > 2. Organizations under the order will be furnished arms and > accouterments > for drilling purposes, but will not be entitled to pay unless called > into field for active service. > > > 3. All employes of railway companies that may refuse or neglect to > enroll > themselves into military organizations, as set forth in this order, > within > sixty days from the date thereof, and all persons that may enter the > service of any railway company after the date of this order, shall not > be deemed or considered as being exempt from military duties. > > > Very respectfully, > THOS. A. SCOTT. > ***********" > > Regards, Marty > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send an e-mail to: [email protected] Turn off your signature. There is no subject required and only one word goes into the e-mail. Unsubscribe >