I don't know who the gentleman is typing in all the good reports, to this list, but since I have been doing a lot of that myself on another rootsweb line, I know the effort and fortitude it takes, especially in the eye of criticism all the time, so I just wanted to thank Mr. Bryant for doing what he is doing and trying to help so many other people. You know what they say, usually the one who hollers the loudest, is the one who doesn't do anything, except take. Thank you sir, for your time, your labor, and your love of your fellow mankind. I do not know you, have no relations to your Groves, but I appreciate what you are doing for OTHERS...... On the other hand to the person so frustrated, we do understand your frustrations also, and say, "have a little patience," your time will come. I have typed and typed and put out a lot of information to others without receiving a word from them as to what I am pursuing, but have found as I help others, God in His wisdom always brings to me, in one source or another and Genealogy has been a real blessing to me since 1987 as I have found tons of my father's relatives over the past two years because of the Internet and diligence. I never knew my father but to find and know his people has been a special blessing to me. Frustrated, there have been times when I would work and work and just hit a brick wall, and put my books back up on the shelf and take a vacation from it, then perhaps one day here comes a letter in the mail or email with a new clue and I'm off and running again. It doesn't come easy, it is worth your effort to search and it is much more fun when you find your own clues, so today make up your mind to start with the court houses, the libraries, the cemeteries yourself and you will be amazed what you find, not to mention this INTERNET........Just putting in my two cents, since I have found myself in the same position of this gentlemen who you are so upset with. Perhaps he wasn't through, perhaps he would have gotten to your family, perhaps now we may never know? Good luck in your search. bem