Believe it or not that Illinois State Marriage index is now available thru my subscription on Genealogy.Com. Wonder what happened to the free index?? Dianna Saario Digging up Roots ----- Original Message ----- From: "K and G Combs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ILHANCOC] Illinois State Marriage Index > Hi Ron, > > Yes, I've been trying for a couple of days now, with no success. The state > archives website says it is "temporarily unavailable." > > Ginger > > ======================= > > > > Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Illinois State Marriage Index? > > > > Ron . . . > > > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > List owner Shawnnee Bolt Ramey [email protected] >

Hi Ron, Yes, I've been trying for a couple of days now, with no success. The state archives website says it is "temporarily unavailable." Ginger ======================= > Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Illinois State Marriage Index? > > Ron . . . >

Hi! Adrianne, thanks for the Great Ideas and etiquette lessons. I just forget to remember not everyone is as detail specific as am I..I know I must just set folks on fire when am on the hunt and close to getting an answer I have been searching for I send info in rapid fire e-mails down to the hair color!!and the fact that I know they lived in a log home with dirt floor in York Co. Pa. 1801..I go on about still Missing and I am still searching for place he immigrated from to Pa. Daniel Duden he is no where to be found before the 1800 census and baptismal record of a daughter Anna Maria Duden..I mean NOWHERE...If I get a lead that a person or group of individuals "Might Have a CLUE" you can bet they get the full details of any thing I deem pertinent to the search at hand and lots of just in case info.necessary to assist the person in helping me locate....my illusive DD. If I recall the specific query it went something along the lines of your giving a persons name and a speculative statement as to whether or not this person and his followers were delving into FREE MASONRY...I certainly did not have any information that you were researching this person's name. and working on research of Freemasonry. I Now understand that this is a name you are researching and you are also researching Freemasonry. Thanks for the information, I know nothing about either the named individual or Freemasons. Thanks again for sharing "Your Hunting List" there are some very helpful ideas . Beverly in TX. --- [email protected] wrote: > I can see asking if they were free masons because > that might be another resource to try to research > for informatioin. I my self have set a list of > questions to ask myself in "HUNTING" those elusive > relatives or to find out more about where they may > have come from. > 1. what organizations did they join? Included in > this are churches, communinity and state wide > organizations. This would include free masons, to > see if there are any lists that are available and > because minutes of meetings might give me a clue as > to where they came from. Leave no stone unturned. > 2. The last known relative may have side lines that > know more but these lines are not connected yet. > Where can I search to find those side lines that I > have no information on: Census, church records, > public records, (births, wills, estate), journals, > state histories, community histories, family > histories. This would include free mason history if > I were a Smith to see where they came from, how they > deveolped and perhaps find a relative that was > written about. If they belonged to a church, this > would include the church history as in Texas several > of the Babtist church organizations were formed with > ministers coming in from other states as the area > became settled. It would be important to look that > up and to see if the minutes of the meetings or the > joining of that particular church can be traced back > to another church, such as Phil _____ came with > Pastor Black in 1868 and was the choir director. > Those items are fun and then if we have to we can > search pastor Black and wher! > e he came from. > 3. Never make fun or disparge someone's posting. > Yes, sometimes people post and it doesn't make sense > to us but surely we are able to refrain from judging > and commenting until we think about it. For > instance, I would like to ask if ANYONE came from > Copley Center OHIO in 1840 would they please contact > me. IT is a vague post but I am desparte and since > I can't find information through regular channels > and I have found a lot of information on that area > of OHIO I could share, I ask that my fellow posters > be patient with me and others that might be > desparate. Fact is if I found out that my line were > a Free mason I would be thrilled to have another > place to look. > 4. Thank those that look up information or post > miscellaneous information on every site. For > instance I have posted what I researched and names I > found that came from Copley Center, OHIO on this > website so that someone who had that name in their > line might get a clue and connect to me. This did > not happen and I am sure many wondered why I went to > the trouble to post the infomation here. Because > sometimes people don't know where Jack Brown came > from but recognize the name and date. Surely my > JONES family was not the only family that came from > Copley Center OHIO since it was near Kirtland OHIO. > My JONES line came in 1840's as the Mormans were > leaving. Perhaps you can help. I would be > grateful. > 5. Please practice some netiquette (manners). > Kindness and Patience is a virtue. For those of you > who want to explain your thoughts on a subject > rather than ask information, please go to a chat > room. Which I should go to but again, please be > patient with our readers, you never know where or > what informaiton will help you yourself. > Personally, I don't care who did what when,(back > then) but I do care who did what when when as I > research so that I might find a thread (which of > course I haven't) to lead me onward. > 6. This is for those who have been so patient to > read this message. I have a great need to find any > information on the JONES family in Hancock Co. Any > information may lead me back through a side line as > I feel many were related even though they may have > come from OHIO or KY or Iowa. I am willing to share > anything I recieve so if you want the information > kept private, please tell me so I do not overstep my > bounds. Any organizations with the name JONES, > SWIGERT/SWIGART, BROWN, EARNEST are important to me > and please email me privately. > Thank you > Adrianne > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > Hancock County Coordinator: Shawnnee Bolt Ramey > Rock Island County Coordinator > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

I can see asking if they were free masons because that might be another resource to try to research for informatioin. I my self have set a list of questions to ask myself in "HUNTING" those elusive relatives or to find out more about where they may have come from. 1. what organizations did they join? Included in this are churches, communinity and state wide organizations. This would include free masons, to see if there are any lists that are available and because minutes of meetings might give me a clue as to where they came from. Leave no stone unturned. 2. The last known relative may have side lines that know more but these lines are not connected yet. Where can I search to find those side lines that I have no information on: Census, church records, public records, (births, wills, estate), journals, state histories, community histories, family histories. This would include free mason history if I were a Smith to see where they came from, how they deveolped and perhaps find a relative that was written about. If they belonged to a church, this would include the church history as in Texas several of the Babtist church organizations were formed with ministers coming in from other states as the area became settled. It would be important to look that up and to see if the minutes of the meetings or the joining of that particular church can be traced back to another church, such as Phil _____ came with Pastor Black in 1868 and was the choir director. Those items are fun and then if we have to we can search pastor Black and wher! e he came from. 3. Never make fun or disparge someone's posting. Yes, sometimes people post and it doesn't make sense to us but surely we are able to refrain from judging and commenting until we think about it. For instance, I would like to ask if ANYONE came from Copley Center OHIO in 1840 would they please contact me. IT is a vague post but I am desparte and since I can't find information through regular channels and I have found a lot of information on that area of OHIO I could share, I ask that my fellow posters be patient with me and others that might be desparate. Fact is if I found out that my line were a Free mason I would be thrilled to have another place to look. 4. Thank those that look up information or post miscellaneous information on every site. For instance I have posted what I researched and names I found that came from Copley Center, OHIO on this website so that someone who had that name in their line might get a clue and connect to me. This did not happen and I am sure many wondered why I went to the trouble to post the infomation here. Because sometimes people don't know where Jack Brown came from but recognize the name and date. Surely my JONES family was not the only family that came from Copley Center OHIO since it was near Kirtland OHIO. My JONES line came in 1840's as the Mormans were leaving. Perhaps you can help. I would be grateful. 5. Please practice some netiquette (manners). Kindness and Patience is a virtue. For those of you who want to explain your thoughts on a subject rather than ask information, please go to a chat room. Which I should go to but again, please be patient with our readers, you never know where or what informaiton will help you yourself. Personally, I don't care who did what when,(back then) but I do care who did what when when as I research so that I might find a thread (which of course I haven't) to lead me onward. 6. This is for those who have been so patient to read this message. I have a great need to find any information on the JONES family in Hancock Co. Any information may lead me back through a side line as I feel many were related even though they may have come from OHIO or KY or Iowa. I am willing to share anything I recieve so if you want the information kept private, please tell me so I do not overstep my bounds. Any organizations with the name JONES, SWIGERT/SWIGART, BROWN, EARNEST are important to me and please email me privately. Thank you Adrianne

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Illinois State Marriage Index? Ron . . .

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eg.2ADI/933.1119 Message Board Post: I am researching the Argast family for a friend. I'll paste copies of what I have found so far. You might have all of this already, as your posting is more than 3 years old. I've also spotted your postings to other boards regarding this family. 1860 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: M653 Roll: 184 Page: 549 Sheet: 288 Date: 4 July 1860 D/F: 2082/1993 Frederick Hegart Sr., 56 M Merchant $1000 --- Baden Caroline Hegart, 62 F Baden Frederick Hegart Jr., 30 M Merchant --- $600 Baden Magdalene Hegart, 29 F Bavaria Frederick Hegart, 1 M IL 1870 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: M593 Roll: 227 Page: 230 Sheet: 25 Date: 10 August 1870 D/F: 206/193 Fredrick Argast, 40 M W Keeping Saloon $1000 $200 BADEN BADEN BADEN Magdalene Argast, 40 F W Keeping House BERNE Fredrick Argast, 11 M W IL Conrad Argast, 8 M W IL Henry Argast, 4 M W IL Julius Argast, 3/12 M W IL 1880 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T9 Roll: 211 Page: 198D Charles ARGAST, Self M W 50 Married Saloon Keeper BADEN BADEN BADEN Magdaline ARGAST, Wife F W 49 Married BAVARIA BAVARIA BAVARIA Conrad ARGAST, Son M W 17 Single Apprenticed Wagon Making IL BADEN BAVARIA Henry ARGAST, Son M W 14 Single IL BADEN BAVARIA Emil ARGAST, Son M W 6 Single IL BADEN BAVARIA I believe this is probably a brother to "Frederick Jr." - 1860 US Census - St. Louis 1st Ward, St. Louis County, Missouri NA Series: M653 Roll: 647 Page: 33 Date: 4 June 1860 D/F: 111/315 Edward Argost, 26 M Barr Keeper --- $200 Baden Catharina Argost, 23 F France Edward Argost, 1 1/4 M MO 1870 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: M593 Roll: 227 Page: 222 Sheet: 10 Date: 9 August 1870 D/F: 91/84 Edward Argast, 36 M W Saloon Keeper $1000 $300 Baden Margaret Argast, 32 F W Keeping House France Edwin Argast, 11 M W MO Lewis Argast, 9 M W MO William Argast, 2 M W IL Elizabeth Schoill, 38 F W Keeping House Wertenberg 1880 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T9 Series: 211 Page: 196D Edward ARGAST, Self M W 45 Married Saloon Keeper BADEN BADEN BADEN Marg ARGAST, Wife F W 43 Married FRA FRA FRA Edward ARGAST, Son M W 21 Single MO BADEN FRA Louis ARGAST, Son M W 19 Single MO BADEN FRA William ARGAST, Son M W 11 Single IL BADEN FRA Cora ARGAST, Daughter F W 8 Single IL BADEN FRA It appears that the family spent some time in Saint Louis before making their way to Nauvoo. I found a couple of marriage records posted on the Internet - Possibly a second marriage for Frederick Sr? If so, have you found the mother of his children? FREDERICK ARGUST Spouse: CAROLINE LED Marriage: 05 SEP 1853 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri Frederick (Charles) Jr.? FREDERICK ARGAST Spouse: MAGDALENA HUHN Marriage: 27 JUL 1857 Saint Louis, St Louis, Missouri My friend descends from Conrad Argast. I haven't found his marriage yet, as the Illinois Marriage Index has been down for several days, and I haven't had a chance to check at our local library (Warren Co., IL) - 1900 US Census - Nauvoo 2nd Ward, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T623 Roll: 305 Page: 193 Sheet: 8B ED: 25 Date: 12 June 1900 D/F: 190/190 (rewritten as 192/912) Conrad Argast, Head W M July 1862 37 Married 15 Yrs. IL GER GER Blacksmith Owned Mortgaged Home Margueret Argast, Wife W F Dec 1863 36 Married 15 Yrs. 7 Children, 4 Living IL GER GER Ida Argast, Daughter W F Mar 1886 14 Single IL IL IL At School Augusta Argast, Daughter W F Sep 1887 12 Single IL IL IL At School Mary Argast, Daughter W F May 1889 11 Single IL IL IL At School Harry Argast, Son W M Dec 1894 5 Single IL IL IL 1910 US Census - Knight Street, Nauvoo 2nd Ward, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T624 Roll: 290 Page: 179 Sheet: 9A ED: 17 Date: 29 April 1910 D/F: 151/153 Conrad Argast, Head M W 47 M1-24 Yrs. IL GER GER Owned Mortgaged Home Margrette Argast, Wife F W 46 M1-24 Yrs. 10 Children, 5 Living IL GER GER House Wife Marion Argast, Daughter F W 20 Single IL IL IL Helper Harry Argast, Son M W 15 Single IL IL IL None Loretta Argast, Daughter F W 8 Single IL IL IL None Dorothy Argast, Daughter F W 6 Single IL IL IL None 1920 US Census - Knight Street, Nauvoo 2nd Ward, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T625 Roll: 370 Page: 182 Sheet: 7A ED: 19 Date: 14 January 1920 D/F: 177/179 Conrad Argast, Head Owned Free M W 57 Married IL BADEN Alsan-Lorens? Blacksmith Margaret Argast, Wife F W 56 Married IL HOLLAND SWITZERLAND None Harry Argast, Son M W 25 Single IL IL IL Horse Ferrier Blacksmith Shop Loretta Argast, Daughter F W 18 Single IL IL IL Type Setter Newspaper Dorothy Argast, Daughter F W 16 Single IL IL IL None 1930 US Census - Nauvoo, Hancock County, Illinois NA Series: T626 Roll: 518 Page: 173 Sheet: 3B ED: 34-22 Date: 8 April 1930 D/F: 97/98 Conrad Argast, Head Owned $2500 Radio M W 67 Married (22) IL GER GER Blacksmith Margaret Argast, Wife F W 66 Married (21) IL GER GER None Dorothy Argast, Daughter F W 26 Single IL IL IL Clerical Express Office Clair Argast, Grandson M W 8 Single IL IL IL None Conrad's daughter, Augusta E. married Oscar D. Buckert. These are my friend's great-grandparents. I'd appreciate any information to fill in the gaps. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Harris Payne Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eg.2ADI/2140.1 Message Board Post: Florence - We have talked before, but I didn't know that you had found Emily's parents. Please let me know any information about that family and your sources. I am willing to exchange what I have, but I think I sent it to you previously. I hope to be in Des Moines in July, but don't know if I can make it. - Brian

In a message dated 3/9/2004 8:00:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Message Board Post: Not really sure on the true why. But I heard it was for their belief in the morman faith.I also read somewhere that the brothers were free masons before they were mormans.And that Joseph held high preist ranking. Orilyn If you go back to ROOTSWEB and the Mailing lists and search the archives you'll find A LOT of conversations regarding the SMITH's. [email protected] Orilyn, I haven't seen all of your posts...What exactly are you trying to figure out about Joseph Smith? I have Joseph's Journal and a few others books with info. I found this list of books on the internet http://www.lds-mormon.com/joseph_smith.shtml Joseph Smith by, C. Clark Julius, MPS The Philalethes-August 1987 http://www.lds-mormon.com/jsmith.shtml Mrs Walker [email protected]

I would like to second this course of right action!!and add as they say in NY Forgettttabbbbouttit!!please what does this have to do with searching our roots in Hancock Co..I have my hands full with my Browning seach thatis the reason I use this site!! Thanks Bev in TX PS do have some juicy gossip on General Sam Houston and William B. Travis , will not post on your site..or the TX site either...You may e-mail me privatly if you must have the information..I will sent to your private e-mail address.. --- [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eg.2ADI/312.2 > > Message Board Post: > > Why this endless speculation? There are a > quad-zillion history books and articles on the > subject. Check out library or LDS Church resources. > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > Hancock County Coordinator: Shawnnee Bolt Ramey > Rock Island County Coordinator > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

I am new to this list. I descend from the Kinney family of Hancock County, from about 1837 to 1872. My great great great grandfather was named LAVALETTE KINNEY. He was born on May 6, 1826 in Buffalo New York, son of JOSEPH KINNEY and PRISCILLA RICHMOND. I have it that JOSEPH moved his family to Illinois in 1837. LAVALETTE married JANE BUTLER on October 15, 1849 in Quincy in Adams Co., but he settled in St. Albans Twp. in Hancock Co. Here he raised a large family including my great great grandfather, JOSEPH RICHMOND KINNEY, this was a family that was very good about passing down old surnames! I have it that LAVALETTE served as a Justice of the Peace and as Township Assessor, is there any immediate information about that? My second question, can anybody do a lookup on the burial of his parents? JOSEPH died in 1843 and PRISCILLA in 1861, buried in Chili Twp. I have all the census except for 1840 where I can't seem to find any of them! These Kinneys left Illinois in the early 1870s for Kansas, where they experienced a few tragedies. LAVALETTE died of Typhoid fever on Oct. 25, 1894 in Mitchell Co. KS. In 1903 much of the family relocated to Chelan Co. Washington. Must be partly the reason I live in this state!!! -Mark Vernon Seattle, WA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eg.2ADI/312.2 Message Board Post: Why this endless speculation? There are a quad-zillion history books and articles on the subject. Check out library or LDS Church resources.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Eg.2ADI/312.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for filling me in on those other facts. As you see there are alot of reasons . I think no one really knows the true reason.My smith relatives have told me it was for his beliefs be they for what they were.

Thank you so much Darlene

Hi Shawnnee, Do you know if anyone has listed the Evergreen Cemetery in Chester, Randolph Co., IL? Darlene

I am sorry I forgot to send you the link http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrreg/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [ILHANCOC] More Cemeteries > Hi Shawnnee, > Do you know if anyone has listed the Evergreen Cemetery in Chester, Randolph > Co., IL? > Darlene > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send an e-mail to: [email protected] Turn off your signature. There is no subject required and only one word goes into the e-mail. Unsubscribe >

Hi Darlene, I am not sure who the coordinator is for Randolph county. I have the yellow region on the map I am sending to you. I am the Western Illinois Regional Coordinator You can click on the color where Randolph County is located and find out who the coordinator is and email that person. I don't know where Randolph County is in Illinois. Sorry Shawnnee ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [ILHANCOC] More Cemeteries > Hi Shawnnee, > Do you know if anyone has listed the Evergreen Cemetery in Chester, Randolph > Co., IL? > Darlene > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list send an e-mail to: [email protected] Turn off your signature. There is no subject required and only one word goes into the e-mail. Unsubscribe >

Hi Shawnnee! HAPPY BIRTHDAY and thanks again for all you do for us! Madonna in KY

Larry and Madonna in KY, Thanks for the head up on Shawnnee Birthday..Happy Birthday to Shawnnee!! Wish we were all together in body I would Bake a special cake!!Have had 2 birthday's in home in last two weeks have the cake baking thing down!!!and lots of helpers out for spring break!! I do think Shawnnee got a very special Birthday present..locating her Grandson!!and hopefully by now his safe return to the family. Happy Birthday to Shawnnee, Happy Birthday to Shawnnee and thank you for all you do!!! Love on this special Day!!! Beverly in TX --- Larry & Madonna Mahurin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Shawnnee! > HAPPY BIRTHDAY and thanks again for all you do for > us! > Madonna in KY > > > ==== ILHANCOC Mailing List ==== > Hancock County Coordinator: Shawnnee Bolt Ramey > Rock Island County Coordinator > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

Barr Cemetery Prairie Township http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhancoc/barr.html Ranck Cemetery Nauvoo Township http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhancoc/ranck.html Wright Cemetery Fountain Green Township http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhancoc/wright.html Dundey Cemetery Nauvoo Township http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhancoc/dundey.html Owen Family Cemetery ChiliTownship http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhancoc/owen.html If anyone has any information to add the the histories of these cemeteries please email me. These are mostly histories. Shawnnee

Message Board Post: Not really sure on the true why. But I heard it was for their belief in the morman faith.I also read somewhere that the brothers were free masons before they were mormans.And that Joseph held high preist ranking. Orilyn If you go back to ROOTSWEB and the Mailing lists and search the archives you'll find A LOT of conversations regarding the SMITH's. [email protected]