The Latter Day Saints "seal" individuals together so they will continue to be a family in the celestial kingdom, but these are usually their own family ancestors. "Sealing" only allows those "baptized" people to hear and/or be taught the Morman principles, it doesn't make them Mormon. There is still "free will". Look how many of the Mormon doctrines are being adopted today: no caffeine, no tobacco, less meat (less cholesterol) - pretty healthy ! Thank goodness for us genealogists that they (Mormons) had the foresight to microfilm all those records. Sheila > I haven't noticed anyone tearing down the Mormons. But, lets be clear, their > motives are very different from that of us family genealogists. We want to > know who our ancestors were, while they want to convert our ancestors into > their religion long after they are dead. And knowing how devoutly Christian > some of my ancestors were, I know they would howl in outrage at being turned > into a Mormon without their consent. So would I. And if you think this is > all nonsense, think again. The LDS have run into firestorm of outrage from > Jews who have learned that their ancestors were "sealed" into the Mormon > religion by non-family members. This is the dark side of the Mormon > religion.

I haven't noticed anyone tearing down the Mormons. But, lets be clear, their motives are very different from that of us family genealogists. We want to know who our ancestors were, while they want to convert our ancestors into their religion long after they are dead. And knowing how devoutly Christian some of my ancestors were, I know they would howl in outrage at being turned into a Mormon without their consent. So would I. And if you think this is all nonsense, think again. The LDS have run into firestorm of outrage from Jews who have learned that their ancestors were "sealed" into the Mormon religion by non-family members. This is the dark side of the Mormon religion. -----Original Message----- From: M.R. Scott Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:16 PM To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records The people working in there shouldn't be tearing down the Mormans or any other group of people; they are humans just as the rest of us are. Shame on them! I have noticed in more then one courthouse that the folks working in them act as if they own the records and such. ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan branam" <scarlislebranam@hotmail.com> To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records > > > I haven't been to the county clerk's office in McLeansboro since about > 1999. At that time, I was allowed only to see the index, not actual > records. In order to see a record, I had to pay a copy fee first , > without being able to see if the record was about the correct person I > was interested in or not. I had to sign for each, saying it was for > genealogical purposes only, even the older records not protected by law. > They yelled at my 80+ yo aunt because she accidentally looked down at an > open book of marriage records from about 1900. She wasn't even > interested, was just waiting for me, and they had left the book open. It > really upset her. My visits there in the 1980s weren't exactly > pleasant either, but I had assumed it was because I was so young they > weren't taking me seriously as a genealogist. I really hope things have > changed there. I'd like to go back sometime soon. I should say they > have allowed me to browse deeds, but they were seriously overprotectiv! > e of the vital records. The circuit clerk office has allowed me to > browse freely, but they have disappointingly few records from the 1800s. > I really think a lot of courthouses have thrown a lot out. Hope I'm > wrong. > > I happened to be in the Saline County courthouse when the LDS filmed > there, sometime in 1980s. The staff was in a really stressed, hostile > mood that day. In fact, they turned me away, saying it was too crowded > for more genealogists. She did at least copy a record for me, but I was > not allowed to browse, although I had at another visit there. The staff > was griping a lot that day about how they they didn't think they should > have to put up with the Mormons being there or something like that. I > told her it could take some work off them if genealogists were able to > access the records somewhere else without going though them. She said > she hadn't looked at it that way. > > >> From: ilhamilt-request@rootsweb.com >> Subject: ILHAMILT Digest, Vol 6, Issue 219 >> To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com I have been charged this copy fee at >> other surrounding counties also. >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The people working in there shouldn't be tearing down the Mormans or any other group of people; they are humans just as the rest of us are. Shame on them! I have noticed in more then one courthouse that the folks working in them act as if they own the records and such. ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan branam" <scarlislebranam@hotmail.com> To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records > > > I haven't been to the county clerk's office in McLeansboro since about > 1999. At that time, I was allowed only to see the index, not actual > records. In order to see a record, I had to pay a copy fee first , > without being able to see if the record was about the correct person I > was interested in or not. I had to sign for each, saying it was for > genealogical purposes only, even the older records not protected by law. > They yelled at my 80+ yo aunt because she accidentally looked down at an > open book of marriage records from about 1900. She wasn't even > interested, was just waiting for me, and they had left the book open. It > really upset her. My visits there in the 1980s weren't exactly > pleasant either, but I had assumed it was because I was so young they > weren't taking me seriously as a genealogist. I really hope things have > changed there. I'd like to go back sometime soon. I should say they > have allowed me to browse deeds, but they were seriously overprotectiv! > e of the vital records. The circuit clerk office has allowed me to > browse freely, but they have disappointingly few records from the 1800s. > I really think a lot of courthouses have thrown a lot out. Hope I'm > wrong. > > I happened to be in the Saline County courthouse when the LDS filmed > there, sometime in 1980s. The staff was in a really stressed, hostile > mood that day. In fact, they turned me away, saying it was too crowded > for more genealogists. She did at least copy a record for me, but I was > not allowed to browse, although I had at another visit there. The staff > was griping a lot that day about how they they didn't think they should > have to put up with the Mormons being there or something like that. I > told her it could take some work off them if genealogists were able to > access the records somewhere else without going though them. She said > she hadn't looked at it that way. > > >> From: ilhamilt-request@rootsweb.com >> Subject: ILHAMILT Digest, Vol 6, Issue 219 >> To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com I have been charged this copy fee at >> other surrounding counties also. >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't been to the county clerk's office in McLeansboro since about 1999. At that time, I was allowed only to see the index, not actual records. In order to see a record, I had to pay a copy fee first , without being able to see if the record was about the correct person I was interested in or not. I had to sign for each, saying it was for genealogical purposes only, even the older records not protected by law. They yelled at my 80+ yo aunt because she accidentally looked down at an open book of marriage records from about 1900. She wasn't even interested, was just waiting for me, and they had left the book open. It really upset her. My visits there in the 1980s weren't exactly pleasant either, but I had assumed it was because I was so young they weren't taking me seriously as a genealogist. I really hope things have changed there. I'd like to go back sometime soon. I should say they have allowed me to browse deeds, but they were seriously overprotective of the vital records. The circuit clerk office has allowed me to browse freely, but they have disappointingly few records from the 1800s. I really think a lot of courthouses have thrown a lot out. Hope I'm wrong. I happened to be in the Saline County courthouse when the LDS filmed there, sometime in 1980s. The staff was in a really stressed, hostile mood that day. In fact, they turned me away, saying it was too crowded for more genealogists. She did at least copy a record for me, but I was not allowed to browse, although I had at another visit there. The staff was griping a lot that day about how they they didn't think they should have to put up with the Mormons being there or something like that. I told her it could take some work off them if genealogists were able to access the records somewhere else without going though them. She said she hadn't looked at it that way. > From: ilhamilt-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: ILHAMILT Digest, Vol 6, Issue 219 > To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com I have been charged this copy fee at > other surrounding counties also. >

My friend was not allowed to see the record BEFORE she had to pay for it, and the HCI personnel would not make any copies of the INDEX and really didn't want people to work with it. Many local people who do genealogy have very limited incomes. I am the kind of person who almost never writes down anything when I go to a library or other location, I will copy everything or take pictures and see how it fits together when I am home in front of the computer. Making the records available elsewhere is going to free up the county clerk's office to do their current work. Even having some records at IRAD would be a great help. Cindy > > On 11/12/2011 11:12 PM, D Lowman wrote: >> I live in Hamilton County and search the records at the court house often >> and have never been charged a fee. The only thing I have every had to pay >> is a small fee for each copy I make. I have been charged this copy fee at >> other surrounding counties also. >>

I agree. I do not feel terribly comfortable with Mormon reasons for being interested in genealogy (namely post-death baptism into the LDS faith), but I do appreciate the results of their efforts. I have many ancestors who were from North Carolina and Tennessee and now that they've put the microfilms of the county probate records of these two states online, it's made my job so much easier. No longer do I have to order films and drive 25 miles to the nearest FHC to view them. I can do it all from my home computer. The Hamilton Co. clerk is showing terrible judgement. His/her actions reek of religious intolerance. I hope there are paper copies of the Hamilton Co. records stored in other places. I've seen what trouble a researcher can have in a burned county. -----Original Message----- From: Gale Nash Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:36 AM To: sandy@whalen-family.org ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records There are a few records online at the FamilySearch that are recent additions I think or the are new online to me. I wish there were more available. Gale Prince Nash On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Sandy Bauer <sandy@whalen-family.org>wrote: > I certainly understand now may not be a good time for the clerk but I > hope she eventually lets the Mormon missionaries photograph the records > so they are preserved and made available online by the Mormons. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are a few records online at the FamilySearch that are recent additions I think or the are new online to me. I wish there were more available. Gale Prince Nash On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Sandy Bauer <sandy@whalen-family.org>wrote: > I certainly understand now may not be a good time for the clerk but I > hope she eventually lets the Mormon missionaries photograph the records > so they are preserved and made available online by the Mormons. > >

I certainly understand now may not be a good time for the clerk but I hope she eventually lets the Mormon missionaries photograph the records so they are preserved and made available online by the Mormons. On 11/12/2011 11:12 PM, D Lowman wrote: > I live in Hamilton County and search the records at the court house often > and have never been charged a fee. The only thing I have every had to pay > is a small fee for each copy I make. I have been charged this copy fee at > other surrounding counties also. > > As for the "new county clerk", she has her hands full right now and probably > for the next two years. Hamilton County has new coal mines going in and > that requires very intensive research of the county land records and other > files so she has many, many people in her office all the time. So with all > of this going on now would not be a good time for anyone to be in there > trying to copy the records. Don't get me wrong - I would love to see our > county records copied, protected and available online for research and have > talked with the county clerk regarding this matter and told her I would be > willing to help with this endeavor any way I could. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianna"<gammadi1@newwavecomm.net> > To:<ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records > > >> I was told the 'new county clerk' will not let them (Genealogy Missionaries >> from the LDS church) in. What a disappointment... >> >> On 11/12/2011 4:20 PM, Cindy Birk Conley wrote: >>> Now that there is a new county clerk in Hamilton County the LDS folks >>> need to try again. The old one didn't want the records photographed, but >>> didn't seem to understand that allowing LDS access would lead to fewer >>> unwanted visitors to her office rather than extra work. >>> >>> I have never been to the office as I am afraid I would become hostile if >>> they are hostile. A researcher did do some work for me and had to pay >>> for copies before she could see if the record involved were for the >>> family we were researching. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> >>> On 11/12/2011 3:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: >>>> If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. >>>> In my >>>> experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is >>>> generally >>>> more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to >>>> contact >>>> the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an >>>> explanation >>>> as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when >>>> they did most of the other American counties. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sandy Bauer >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM >>>> To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; >>>> ILWayne@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back >>>> and photograph records at Hamilton County? >>>> >>>> Sandy >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com >>> Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html >>> USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com >> Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html >> USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a very sad situation indeed! I haven't been to town for genealogy in several years but the last time I was there the library had disposed of years and years of old copies of The Times Leader, the local newspaper, simply because "they didn't have the room to store them". I had looked through quite a few of them in the past and I just couldn't believe that anyone would think it was acceptable to just get rid of that much history!!!! And this from the library no less!!! I can never understand how people can be so close minded in situations such as this. This beautiful little town has kept better records than a lot of others. It was my understanding that Lovella didn't want the "Mormons" filming and photographing these historical documents and then making money from the patrons who would use them. What she never understood is that the charges are a minimal fee for the items to be copied and shipped to the Family History Centers. To film and photograph all of the information that is there would be an extremely large financial and labor intensive project on the part of the "Mormons". These are public records my friends and should be treated as such! Fortunately I have many relatives in McLeansboro so that helped me to access the records I needed. But sadly that hasn't been the experience for everyone!! Sheila Tedford Bligh -----Original Message----- From: ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianna Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:47 PM To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records I was told the 'new county clerk' will not let them (Genealogy Missionaries from the LDS church) in. What a disappointment... On 11/12/2011 4:20 PM, Cindy Birk Conley wrote: > Now that there is a new county clerk in Hamilton County the LDS folks > need to try again. The old one didn't want the records photographed, but > didn't seem to understand that allowing LDS access would lead to fewer > unwanted visitors to her office rather than extra work. > > I have never been to the office as I am afraid I would become hostile if > they are hostile. A researcher did do some work for me and had to pay > for copies before she could see if the record involved were for the > family we were researching. > > Cindy > > > On 11/12/2011 3:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: >> If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. In my >> experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is generally >> more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to contact >> the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an explanation >> as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when >> they did most of the other American counties. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandy Bauer >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM >> To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; >> ILWayne@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records >> >> Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back >> and photograph records at Hamilton County? >> >> Sandy > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I live in Hamilton County and search the records at the court house often and have never been charged a fee. The only thing I have every had to pay is a small fee for each copy I make. I have been charged this copy fee at other surrounding counties also. As for the "new county clerk", she has her hands full right now and probably for the next two years. Hamilton County has new coal mines going in and that requires very intensive research of the county land records and other files so she has many, many people in her office all the time. So with all of this going on now would not be a good time for anyone to be in there trying to copy the records. Don't get me wrong - I would love to see our county records copied, protected and available online for research and have talked with the county clerk regarding this matter and told her I would be willing to help with this endeavor any way I could. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianna" <gammadi1@newwavecomm.net> To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records >I was told the 'new county clerk' will not let them (Genealogy Missionaries > from the LDS church) in. What a disappointment... > > On 11/12/2011 4:20 PM, Cindy Birk Conley wrote: >> Now that there is a new county clerk in Hamilton County the LDS folks >> need to try again. The old one didn't want the records photographed, but >> didn't seem to understand that allowing LDS access would lead to fewer >> unwanted visitors to her office rather than extra work. >> >> I have never been to the office as I am afraid I would become hostile if >> they are hostile. A researcher did do some work for me and had to pay >> for copies before she could see if the record involved were for the >> family we were researching. >> >> Cindy >> >> >> On 11/12/2011 3:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: >>> If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. >>> In my >>> experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is >>> generally >>> more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to >>> contact >>> the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an >>> explanation >>> as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when >>> they did most of the other American counties. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sandy Bauer >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM >>> To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; >>> ILWayne@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records >>> >>> Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back >>> and photograph records at Hamilton County? >>> >>> Sandy >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com >> Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html >> USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I was told the 'new county clerk' will not let them (Genealogy Missionaries from the LDS church) in. What a disappointment... On 11/12/2011 4:20 PM, Cindy Birk Conley wrote: > Now that there is a new county clerk in Hamilton County the LDS folks > need to try again. The old one didn't want the records photographed, but > didn't seem to understand that allowing LDS access would lead to fewer > unwanted visitors to her office rather than extra work. > > I have never been to the office as I am afraid I would become hostile if > they are hostile. A researcher did do some work for me and had to pay > for copies before she could see if the record involved were for the > family we were researching. > > Cindy > > > On 11/12/2011 3:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: >> If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. In my >> experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is generally >> more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to contact >> the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an explanation >> as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when >> they did most of the other American counties. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandy Bauer >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM >> To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; >> ILWayne@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records >> >> Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back >> and photograph records at Hamilton County? >> >> Sandy > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. In my experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is generally more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to contact the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an explanation as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when they did most of the other American counties. -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Bauer Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; ILWayne@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back and photograph records at Hamilton County? Sandy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now that there is a new county clerk in Hamilton County the LDS folks need to try again. The old one didn't want the records photographed, but didn't seem to understand that allowing LDS access would lead to fewer unwanted visitors to her office rather than extra work. I have never been to the office as I am afraid I would become hostile if they are hostile. A researcher did do some work for me and had to pay for copies before she could see if the record involved were for the family we were researching. Cindy On 11/12/2011 3:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: > If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. In my > experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is generally > more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may want to contact > the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can give you an explanation > as to why the LDS didn't photograph their records in the 30s or 40s when > they did most of the other American counties. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Bauer > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM > To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; > ILWayne@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records > > Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back > and photograph records at Hamilton County? > > Sandy

Bob The Mormon missionaries were back to southern IL area much back in the 1990's I seem to recall but the clerk in HCI wouldn't allow the Mormons to photograph the records. The previous clerk has retired and I have been told the current clerk is much more aware of how important it is to have copies of the records preserved. With fires destroying many old court house records, it's so important to have these records preserved digitally. Sandy On 11/12/2011 2:59 PM, Bob Foster wrote: > If they haven't done it by now, there's probably a good reason for it. > In my experience, not every jurisdiction welcomed them warmly. This is > generally more true of foreign countries than U.S. counties. You may > want to contact the Hamilton Co. clerk's office to see if they can > give you an explanation as to why the LDS didn't photograph their > records in the 30s or 40s when they did most of the other American > counties. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Bauer > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 4:14 PM > To: ILFRANKL ; ilhamilt@rootsweb.com ; iljeffer@rootsweb.com ; > ILWayne@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILHAMILT] Mormon project to photograph records > > Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back > and photograph records at Hamilton County? > > Sandy > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know if there are plans for the Mormon folks to come back and photograph records at Hamilton County? Sandy

Judy Bluett, age 90, a resident of McLeansboro, passed away 6:50 a.m. Friday, Nov. 11, 2011, at the home of her daugher near McLeansboro. Funeral arrangements are pending at Gholson Funeral Home in McLeansboro.

Julia Lane Felstead, 87, of Carmi and formerly of Norris City, died 6:55 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 10, 2011, at Wabash Retirement Center, Carmi. Funeral services will be held 2 p.m. Sunday at Harre Funeral Home, McLeansboro. Burial will be at Powell Cemetery, Norris City. Visitation will be held Sunday at noon until funeral time at 2 p.m. at the funeral home. Arrangements are under the direction of Harre Funeral home,

Enos "Junior" Harrelson, age 85, a resident of Bull Shoals, Ark., and formerly of McLeansboro, passed away 12:32 a.m. Friday, Nov. 11, 2011, in the Select Specialty Hospital in Springfield, Mo. Funeral arrangements are pending at Gholson Funeral Home in McLeansboro.

Thomas Marion Allen and Nine Hardesty were his parents. Grandparents were Anderson Buehl Hardesty and Rosa Ford...regards, Richard -----Original Message----- From: ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of floydandbobee@copper.net Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:52 AM To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] ALLEN OBIT Does anyone know who his parents and grandparents were? My Allen's were from Broughton. Bobee ----- Original Message ----- From: "BLS" <elvis500@frontier.com> To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: [ILHAMILT] ALLEN OBIT > Donald L. Allen > > 82-year-old former Broughton resident, Donald L. Allen of Effingham died at 6:10 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 8 at the Effingham Rehabilitation & Health Care Center. Before retirement, he was employed at the Atomic Energy Division in Albuquerque, NM and later worked at Best Homes and World Color Press in Effingham. He was a U.S. Army veteran having served in the Korean War. > > Survivors include his wife, Edith; a step-son, Christopher Arrasmith of Ewa Beach, HI; step-daughters, Diana Deinero of St. Elmo, IL and Cindy Meinhart of Dieterich, IL; six grandchildren; three great-grandchildren and a number of nieces and nephews. > > Funeral services for Donald L. Allen will be 10 a.m. Saturday, Nov. 12 at the First Baptist Church in Effingham with burial in Hickory Hill Cemetery near Broughton with full military rites performed by the American Legion Post 106. > > Visitation will be from 4 - 7 Friday evening, Nov. 11 at the First Baptist Church in Effingham. > > Memorials may be made to the Effingham First Baptist Church, the Crossroads Cancer Center or Lincoln Land Hospice and will be accepted at the Gholson Funeral Home in McLeansboro which is in charge of all the arrangements. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4610 - Release Date: 11/11/11

Anderson and Rosa were my great grandparents. Bobee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hardesty" <rhardest@tampabay.rr.com> To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] ALLEN OBIT > Thomas Marion Allen and Nine Hardesty were his parents. Grandparents were > Anderson Buehl Hardesty and Rosa Ford...regards, Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ilhamilt-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of floydandbobee@copper.net > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:52 AM > To: ilhamilt@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT] ALLEN OBIT > > Does anyone know who his parents and grandparents were? My Allen's were > from Broughton. > Bobee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BLS" <elvis500@frontier.com> > To: <ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:36 AM > Subject: [ILHAMILT] ALLEN OBIT > > > > Donald L. Allen > > > > 82-year-old former Broughton resident, Donald L. Allen of Effingham died > at 6:10 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 8 at the Effingham Rehabilitation & Health Care > Center. Before retirement, he was employed at the Atomic Energy Division in > Albuquerque, NM and later worked at Best Homes and World Color Press in > Effingham. He was a U.S. Army veteran having served in the Korean War. > > > > Survivors include his wife, Edith; a step-son, Christopher Arrasmith of > Ewa Beach, HI; step-daughters, Diana Deinero of St. Elmo, IL and Cindy > Meinhart of Dieterich, IL; six grandchildren; three great-grandchildren and > a number of nieces and nephews. > > > > Funeral services for Donald L. Allen will be 10 a.m. Saturday, Nov. 12 at > the First Baptist Church in Effingham with burial in Hickory Hill Cemetery > near Broughton with full military rites performed by the American Legion > Post 106. > > > > Visitation will be from 4 - 7 Friday evening, Nov. 11 at the First Baptist > Church in Effingham. > > > > Memorials may be made to the Effingham First Baptist Church, the > Crossroads Cancer Center or Lincoln Land Hospice and will be accepted at the > Gholson Funeral Home in McLeansboro which is in charge of all the > arrangements. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4610 - Release Date: 11/11/11 > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List admin: ilhamilt-admin@rootsweb.com > Info/Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/IL/hamilton.html > USGenWeb site: http://hamilton.ilgw.org > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILHAMILT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message