Illinois State Pensioners http://www.iltrails.org/veteranswidows.htm http://www.iltrails.org/il_pen6.htm Check out these links if any veterans might possible served in Military. Different dates of paper listing pensions. Please check each one. these list pension over all of IL as far as Chicago and the southern tip of IL. I was really surprised, of all listed. It is posted that it could not be copied. But information is there for your researching. I know of several families listed that were from Carmi, or White co. IL, Hope this helps some one. Jean

Dear Clay, If your line of Webbs are all good-looking, highly intelligent, upstanding citizens, etc., then we must be related. :-) ha. Actually, I don't know the answer. I can tell you that I am the sixth generation in a direct line from Eli Webb, who came to Franklin Co., Ill., before 1818, and helped establish the Middle Fork PBC there, in Northern Twp., and he had a son Lazarus C. Webb who was a Primitive Baptist minister who moved to west central Illinois for part of his life, and his son John Sandusky Webb was my great grandfather. My grandfather, Claud E. Webb was also a PBC minister, until his death, and my father is still a PB minister, as I am. My interest is in church history, but it goes hand in hand with genealogy, and ever since we started up our Library of PBC records, we have had an open door policy with genealogists, and they have been very helpful to us and we have tried to help them. I'm sure the Webbs on the Franklin county list would know better than I do about the Webb connection. Elder Robert Webb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

yes Elder Robert Webb is member of the list...he posted a couple of messages earlier today on the list.....

directions given me from previous message sometime ago....thanks to James Gholson.. "The North Fork Church is about 3 miles East of Broughton's Main St. on gravel then back north a little ways on left side of road..........The Church is still there but is not actively used anymore."

Barbara, Jim, and list: Trying to follow along........do you know the general losction of the North Fork Baptist Church? I also wonder if Robert Webb is related to Henry Webb of HCI circa 1830-1870. Does he have an email address this can be forewarded to him.......or perhaps he's a list member. Clay Cheek

This information was provided by a kind soul on a newsgroup I sub to: I have "freely" borrowed from his message and edited..... Are you missing a Civil War-era ancestor from Tennessee,Ohio,Indiana,Kentucky,and other states? Keep in mind some men went across to bordering states to sign up. So I would check if my ancestor was also from Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. That ancestor may have been aboard the steamship Sultana when it exploded and sank 9 miles north of Memphis, TN on 27 April 1865. Nearly 1,500 of the 2,300 aboard ultimately died. Now you can search a *FREE* database of 2,090 known passengers of the Sultana, most of whom were paroled Union soldiers from the states of OH, TN, IN, MI, KY and WVa who had formerly been imprisoned at either Andersonville (Georgia) or Cahaha (Alabama). The database also lists the names of every known crewman and civilian passenger! (c100 additional names!) Who were not Union affiliates. http://www.rapidnet.com/~greg/Sultana/Sultana.html

Friends, As most of you know, we have a collection of Primitive Baptist church records, including some for Saline and Hamilton counties, as well as White and others in southern Illinois. Due to these records having information about living people, we do not feel it is appropriate to publish them in book form. If any of the area genealogical or historical societies which have copies of these records intend to do so, we cannot prevent them, but would just say that the people who turned such records (or copies of them) over to the societies, probably did not want them to be published, but might not have thought about that possibility, but didn't know what else to do with them. In keeping with the manner in which we conduct our churches - based on contributions given as people purpose in their hearts rather than any kind of system of buying and selling or other type of business venture or taxation, we conduct our library as volunteers and accept voluntary contributions from those who are able and wish to help, and do not charge others who are not able for our time. So far this has worked for us for almost 14 years. We do desire to share the information we have about the history of the churches, with those who are interested in it, and we will do this as stated above, without charging for it. If those who have copies of records refuse to share copies with us, on account of wishing to publish and sell books containing the same information that we intend to freely share, then we cannot make them do so. Our only recourse would be to encourage them to reconsider their position, and allow us to copy such records, as we are not intending to compete with them in the sale of books, records, etc., at all. We presume to say that it is our opinion that researchers whom we help with information from our database, our books, histories, etc., will not refrain from buying the books published by the historical societies on our account, because we will not sell copies of our church records. We know that our church people for all these generations would not want us to sell the records in book form, but they would want us to preserve them, and to share what they contain in an appropriate manner, with their interested descendants. I welcome anyone's thoughts on this who wishes to comment pro or con. I am not sure what records are located in the societies in Saline and Hamilton counties, because when I inquired they did not reply. Again, I would like to encourage the people involved to cooperate with us, rather than try to create a situation which would hurt everyone involved. Elder Robert Webb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thanks Jim, hoping that what you say is true. I have a hunch that someone may have copies of the minutes..just need to jar loose! Still have lots of info to upload to your site...... Broughton community began as Rectorville in 1857..... your site is great!! http://www.spiff.net/~gholson/broughton.htm thanks so much for being there...... Barb in Savannah,GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Gholson" <jgholson@spiff.net> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] North Fork Baptist Church Records : Barbara, : The records that were in the church several years ago were given to Estes : Gholson. He was a member of the church & had expressed interest in the : records when the church closed. When Estes died his daughters went through : his things according to their brother & he doesn't know if they still : exist. There is a possibility they may have been destroyed. This is what I : was told when inquiring about the records. (I hope someone on the list has : a record of the minutes and can help you.) : I have discussed this with Elder Robert Webb, and he believes that Pat : Levin has a copy of the minutes. He believes they only go back to about : 1869. I do not know Pat and my advice would be to contact Elder Robert : Webb of the Primitive Baptist Library 416 Main St. Carthage, IL. 62321. I : hope he can help you. : Jim : : : ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== : Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@home.com : --------------------------------------------------------- : Visit Misty Flannigan's Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy Resource Page at: : http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5807/ : :

Dear Jim, and to all concerned, This is one of the churches I've been trying to obtain a copy of. I wrote to Pat last fall, and at the time she had just returned from Illinois for a funeral in the family and was overwhelmed. A couple months later I wrote a note again, and she replied that she had sickness in her family and was overwhelmed with work in her job. She promised to help me get copies of several records as well as her doctoral dissertation, but so far I have not heard from her. I am not sure what is going on at Saline County with church records, as I inquired and they didn't have time to tell me or even sign their name at the end of the letter except with an initial, even though I offered to pay someone to stand and do copywork. I hope everyone else is having more success with their research than I am on this. It seems to me that this is important. If I am able to obtain any of these records I will be happy to let you all know. Elder Robert Webb On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:58:42 -0600 James Gholson <jgholson@spiff.net> writes: > Barbara, > The records that were in the church several years ago were given to > Estes > Gholson. He was a member of the church & had expressed interest in > the > records when the church closed. When Estes died his daughters went > through > his things according to their brother & he doesn't know if they > still > exist. There is a possibility they may have been destroyed. This is > what I > was told when inquiring about the records. (I hope someone on the > list has > a record of the minutes and can help you.) > I have discussed this with Elder Robert Webb, and he believes that > Pat > Levin has a copy of the minutes. He believes they only go back to > about > 1869. I do not know Pat and my advice would be to contact Elder > Robert > Webb of the Primitive Baptist Library 416 Main St. Carthage, IL. > 62321. I > hope he can help you. > Jim > > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@home.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Visit Misty Flannigan's Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy Resource > Page at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5807/ > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Does anyone have copies of any year of the members of the North Fork Baptist Church? or possible minutes of business meetings? Barb in Savannah,GA

Barbara, The records that were in the church several years ago were given to Estes Gholson. He was a member of the church & had expressed interest in the records when the church closed. When Estes died his daughters went through his things according to their brother & he doesn't know if they still exist. There is a possibility they may have been destroyed. This is what I was told when inquiring about the records. (I hope someone on the list has a record of the minutes and can help you.) I have discussed this with Elder Robert Webb, and he believes that Pat Levin has a copy of the minutes. He believes they only go back to about 1869. I do not know Pat and my advice would be to contact Elder Robert Webb of the Primitive Baptist Library 416 Main St. Carthage, IL. 62321. I hope he can help you. Jim

A book that does a good job of discussing the settlement of Illinois is " Frontier Illinois" by James Davis published by the Indiana University Press. Tom James

Hi Cuz'n and all, Just got this from the LDS Campbell list: "War of 1812 soldiers were given land in either Arkansas or the Shawneetown Land District in Illinois." Guess that this is a pretty good guess as to why migration to the Hamilton Co., area. Mary Lou

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Randolph was always West of the Wabash River. Gibson has always been East of the Wabash. They were never the same areas. Ray & Debbie Lowman wrote: > > Does any one know if present day Gibson County, IN was a part of the Randolph County, Indiana Territory? >

Does any one know if present day Gibson County, IN was a part of the Randolph County, Indiana Territory? My ancestors migrated from Overton County TN in the early 1840's to Gibson Cty, IN and then on to Hamilton Cty. I too had wondered what made them migrate. Debbie

Mary Lou and all, I would also like to comment on the migration to Hamilton County and Illinois circa 1820. The US government decided they would begin to sell the land in Illinois (it was Randolph County, Indiana Territory, at this time). Everyone living in the area, now the State of Illinois, at this time was a "squatter", they held no title to the land. Circa 1805 or 1806, the US government passed a decree, that those squatters living in Illinois as of 1807, could have first choice of the land on which they were living, providing they had made improvements (built a house, cleared land.) There is a document "1807 Squatters List, Randolph Territory, Indiana Territory", which I feel is a comprehensive list of people living in Illinois in 1807. These families did not want to give up the land on which they were living, so they made sure their names were on this list. Anyone moving into the Illinois Territory after 1807, did not have the same assurance that they could purchase the land, even if they were living on it. It took the US Government until 1814 to survey the land and set up the land offices. To my knowledge there were only two land offices opened originally, Kaskaskia Land Office and the Shawneetown Land Office, one for the west section of southern Illinois and one for the east section of southern Illinois. Hamilton County land would, of course, been registered in the Shawneetown Office. During the War of 1812, many men from Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia, and other states, passed thru Illinois on their way north. This was the first time large numbers of men had seen the land in Illinois. I would imagine that they were impressed by the fertility of the land...but mostly imppressed but the wild game and water sources. You can imagine upon returning home after 1812, that these men had great stories to tell about their adventures. They may have immediately wanted to "pull up stakes" and head for the Illinois Territory, but.....they couldn't purchased land until the Land Offices officially opened and if they were squatters after 1807, they had no squatters rights. After the War of 1812, the Indians had left southern Illinois and were no longer a threat to the settlers. Illinois became a state in 1818 and had a representative form of government, the Land Offices were open and selling land...seemed like a good time to migrate to Hamilton County !!

Does anyone know who the James Allen is who built the third log cabin in McLeansboro? Who did he marry? Did he marry Sarah Heard? Was he a tanner? Peg Spencer

Thanks to all that responded to my question on Migration to Hamilton Co. from TN. They all gave me a better understanding of why the people of the East came to IL I have copied a few of the responses, deleting personal names in the answers, for others who are interested in my question. Thanks again to all. Mary Lou Here are some of the answers: "While I'm sure you will receive many answers to your question including work at the Saline Salt works. Word got out that game was very plentiful in Illinois. When the survey was going on in Hamilton County and completed. many on the team said they went back to Ky and Tenn and reported how good the land was and the timber was plentiful and the trees were very large. Deer, turkey, rabbits, squirrels, bear, panther, and fur bearing animals to trap were plentiful. The land was not all hilly and rocky as some were living on in Tenn. The land where they were living is becoming less productive and game is harder to find. I have heard that once you move from one state to another if you intended to farm you needed 2 years to get your land cleared and had to take a years worth of grain etc for animals & self. I found my John discharged from War 1812 leaving Tenn April 1814. In November 1814 he is on a jury in Gallatin Co. IL. There is some good information on the Franklin County IL. page about early migrations. Carol's "Yesterdays of Hamilton County" have a wonderful article written by Judge Parish about coming to IL. and getting started in the harsh times with no money borrowing from a store for their needs as there was no money, then getting some fur pelts and paying off the debt. The furs were taken to St. Louis by buyers." "The War of 1812 chased the British out of the area, and made the area more accessible to people looking for open areas. The Illinois indians were also pushed out opening areas for settlement. The territory became a state in 1818, and they began to try to promote settlement. In 1809, the Goshen Trail was opened from Shawneetown to Edwardsville, two of the government land sales offices. The trail passes through the area, so access from the Ohio River would have been easier than it would have been to some other areas of the state. The rivers in Tennessee provided a water route to the Ohio river, and trails led to the Shawneetown area from the south. Once people from an area had success in their new homes they sent messages back promoting others to join them." " Mary Lou, one theory for the move is feelings against slavery. Maybe another might be the offering of land grants. I'll be watching for responses to your question. "

Francis Gholson married Nancy Smith Allen, daughter of Zacharaiah Allen and Frances Snow Blackard on the 19 May 1842 in Gallatin Co., IL. They lived in Mayberry Twp., Hamilton Co., IL for a short while and had the following children: Sarah A. (married James Short), Saloma N., Milton, Douglas, Sherman, and Charity. What happened to the children? Who did they marry? Family information, please. Who were Francis Gholson 's parents? Peg Spencer Peg, Francis Gholson b. abt 1760 in Va married Mary Craig b. 1760 are the parents of the most of the early Gholsons' in Illinois. Their eldest son was John b. 8 Feb. 1784. John & wife unknown are believed to be parents of Francis Gholson b. 09 March 1821. It is believed his mother died in childbirth or shortly after. Francis married Nancy S. Allen in Gallatin Co. 19 May 1842. Their number of children that I have listed do not agree with the number in the Nancy obituary of 4 sons and 2 daughters. While this is not my research I can assure you that it is probably correct as I know the researcher Wm. Melton and he is very thorough having researched the Gholson lines for many years. ( Note the extra middle names of this family) Husband: Francis Gholson b. 9 Mar. 1821 in Ham. Co. IL Married: 19 May 1842 in Gallatin Co. IL. Died: 04 March 1880 Father: John Gholson Mother: Unknown Wife: Nancy Smith Allen b. 02 April 1824 in Maury Co. Tenn. d. 14 Jan. 1901 Las Animas, Bent, Colo. Children: 1, Mary G. Gholson b. 16 Mar. 1843 - d. 16 Mar. 1843 prob. Hamilton, Co. IL. 2. John William Gholson b. 3 Apr. 1846 d. 7 Jul. 1846 prob. Lafayette, Wisconsin Territory 3. Monroe Marion Abraham Gholson b. 12 Mar. 1849 Wayne Twp. Lafayette, Wis. d. 2 Jun. 1913 prob. Cherokee Kansas. Spouse: Susan Samantha W. Sallee married 4 Jul 1871 in Lafayette Wis. 4. James Washington Gholson b. 6 Aug 1851 Wayne Twp. Lafayette, Wis. married Lucy Wilson 30 Mar. 1881 prob. Iowa. 5. Zachariah Thomas Gholson b. 2 Aug 1854 Rush Twp. Jo Daviess. Illinois Marr. 22 Jul 1877 Amanda Daly prob. Stephenson, Illinois 6. Francis Ely Gholson b. 10 Sep 1856 Jo Daviess, IL. D. 15 June 1878 Stephenson, IL. 7. Lydia Frances Emeline Gholson b. 19 Aug. 1858 Jo Daviess, IL.married Abt. 12 Feb. 1875 James W. Rowe 8. Sarah Ann Elizabeth Gholson b. 2 Feb. 1862 Jo Daviess, IL. marr. 25 Dec 1882 Alexander Noble prob. Stephenson, IL. 9. Nancy Jane Angeline Gholson b. 4 Aug 1864 Jo Daviess, IL. d. Aug. 1866 When Nancy moved to Las Animas, Bent Co., Colo is unknown. She may have moved there with her son-in-law James Rowe's family with whom she was living in Stephenson Co. at the time of the 1880 U.S. Census. Peg, I am not familiar with the names you mentioned except Sarah A that married James Short. Sarah Gholson was born September 25, 1834 in Gallatin Co the daughter of Paris Lee Gholson and Mary Webb. She married James Short in 1871 in Gallatin Co. IL. James