This is my fear - that they won't let me have copies of the index. I don't really understand the purpose of this policy, but I've heard of other places not allowing Xerox copies of indexes also. It almost seems the only purpose is to make it harder for people to do research on these records (which may cut down on wear and tear, but is sort a CATCH-22 sort of reasoning). Anyway, thanks for the help. Jim -----Original Message----- From: AriesJoy@aol.com [mailto:AriesJoy@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:35 PM To: cookjr2@msx.upmc.edu Subject: Re: [ILHAMILT-L] Deed records? Jim- In my trip to Hamilton Co last year, I was not allowed to copy any indexes. I was allowed to hand write anything from them and think I was allowed to look it up myself-- not sure about that, at this point. This may vary, depending upon who is present at the time??? In the past, I have copied marriage indexes for certain letters I was interested in at the time. Joyce Escue Culver In a message dated 06/03/2002 12:38:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, cookjr2@msx.upmc.edu writes: Does anyone have any advice for me regarding land records research in Ham. Co? What I'd like is a list of any COOK family deeds recorded there prior to 1900. I see that the deed books have never been filmed by the FHL. If I write the courthouse, will they just copy the COOK entries from the index book for me? Or am I better off trying to pay someone to actually go to the courthouse for me to copy the records? Any advice appreciated. Jim

A few years ago, while researching in Hamilton County, the staff members would not let me make a copy of the Marriage Indexes for the McMahan Family. They did not care if I copied the index (using a pencil), but I could not make use the copy machine to do it. I would recommend that you have someone copy the land record index for you and pull the records you need. Darlene

I descend from the McMahan (McMahon) and Cook families also. Reuben and American Ann (McElvain) McMahan (McMahon). American McElvains' mother was Lucinda Cook. Darlene

Thanks Jean for the obit for Pearlie Prather Carey. Does anyone have any information about her son Everett Carey? He was born ca 1908 but that is all I know. Any information appreciated. Evalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean B" <jeanb@wf.quik.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] Pearlie Rebecca Prather Carey's Obit > Hope this help Jean > Legacy of Kin Bk 1 > 1928-24 > Carey, Pearly Rebecca Prather;Times 19 July 1928;born 16 aug 1876,sumner, Larence Co., IL; died 15 July 1928, near McLeansboro, dau. of T.D. and (Mary Elizabeth Adamson-from 1929-91 Prather. Married James H. Carey, 22 Dec 1898; 2 sons, Merrell of Anna, and Everett of McLeansboro.Leaves 2 sis.; Mrs Lark Ventress of Morris and Mrs della Hunt of McL. Interred Pleasant Grove. > obits > (see 1929-91 ) T.D. Prather ==father > ( 1936-138) Mary Elizabeth Adamson her mother > (1944-16) James H Carey obit remarried twice

Hope this help Jean Legacy of Kin Bk 1 1928-24 Carey, Pearly Rebecca Prather;Times 19 July 1928;born 16 aug 1876,sumner, Larence Co., IL; died 15 July 1928, near McLeansboro, dau. of T.D. and (Mary Elizabeth Adamson-from 1929-91 Prather. Married James H. Carey, 22 Dec 1898; 2 sons, Merrell of Anna, and Everett of McLeansboro.Leaves 2 sis.; Mrs Lark Ventress of Morris and Mrs della Hunt of McL. Interred Pleasant Grove. obits (see 1929-91 ) T.D. Prather ==father ( 1936-138) Mary Elizabeth Adamson her mother (1944-16) James H Carey obit remarried twice

This land record query is a good one. I would also like to know how to locate Grantee/Grantor records for Hamilton Co, ILL, for my Lowery,Taylor, McMahon families. One of the children from one of my families married into a Cook family, by the way. Claire

Jim, I would also like to know the answer to this. Hope one is posted. Thanks Maureen

Does anyone have any advice for me regarding land records research in Ham. Co? What I'd like is a list of any COOK family deeds recorded there prior to 1900. I see that the deed books have never been filmed by the FHL. If I write the courthouse, will they just copy the COOK entries from the index book for me? Or am I better off trying to pay someone to actually go to the courthouse for me to copy the records? Any advice appreciated. Jim

James H. Carey b. 1876 d. 1944 in Hamilton Co. IL Pearlie (Prather) b. 1873 d. 1928 in Hamilton Co. IL. These are parents of my g uncle Merle Carey. Does anyone have any more information on this family? I think there was at least one more son, -name? birth? death? Also interested in parents and siblings of both James Carey and Pearlie Prather. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Evalyn

Hello all, Just wanted to let you know, that my e-mail address is changing as of Friday of this week. New address: Oznelm@aol.com Thank You Maureen Sinks Lenzo, researching the Peter Sinks family in Hamilton Co.

Hi all. Since some of you are doing a "roll call" I will send mine out too. :-) (I hope you are all warmer that we are here in Northern Missouri -4F) I am searching for information on the surnames: SMITH (see below) WHITE (see below) WARD (see below) The SMITHs were in Illinios in the 1830s. Simon P. Smith was born 17 March 1830. He married Nancy Leiter/Lighter in Illinios. (Does anyone happen to have an obit for her, or the location of her burial? I have heard that she may have died 26 June 1870, but where?) They moved in the 1850s to Missouri (Nodaway county, then Harrison County). The WHITEs were in Illinios in the 1860s. VALENTINE WHITE was in Illinois in 1864 when his daughter Estella/Stella Philena White was born. I know that when Valentine White and his family moved to Iowa they were LDS--Joseph Smith played "match maker" with Estella/Stella White when he sent Alma Moroni Newberry to Lamoni, Iowa to meet her and decide what he thought of her. (They were married soon after). VALENTINE and his wife Martha had 5 children: ALFRATTA, ESTELLA, ELNORA, ZEAN and FRANK. (Do any of these childrens name run in your family tree?) The WARDs were in Illinios in the 1840s. They moved there from Tenn, then some ended up in Missouri. I decend from Eleven/Levin Ward born in Tenn, but moved to Illinois to have his son Martin Van Buren Ward (b. 1848) (Does anyone know for sure who Eleven's parents were? Eleven's father MAY have been Noah C. Ward ~I am almost positive Noah is his father, but haven't found solid proof yet. (Noah C. DID have a son by that name and would have been born about the right time....but if the date I have for Noah C Ward's death is correct, then I doubt he was the father of my Eleven/Levin Ward. Does anyone connect to these people? Thank you for your time. Stacy (searching for the surnames: Green, McLaughlin, Wion, Jones, Truitt, and Stephen that came to Decatur county, IA, AND Stone, Elkins, Ward, Johnston/Johnson, Bowen, Gillespie, Coots, Shain, Polley, Clevenger, Hook, Bridges, and Smith that were in Harrison County, MO) Some say I am living in the past...I say "Naw just my computer is."

> 2. Draft Registrations - Those records do exist on microfilm. I've checked > the ones for MO in St. Louis, but the libraries > here don't have the records for IL. They are very interesting records. The > rules required that everyone from 18 to about 45 to register for the draft > over three draft registration periods between 1914 and 1918. If you have > an ancestor born between 1873 and 1900 you might want to check them out. > They have some good info. See, for example, > http://www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/sc-ww1-q.htm One more small piece of research material you shouldn't pass up, especially if your having problems finding personal info out about your WWI ancestor. Each person that was required to sign up for the draft went to his local draft board. They filled out a small card (front and back)... this was the draft reg card. These are housed at the Archives building in Atlanta Ga. Seems like I paid $5 for them to send me a copy of both sides. Info I received from card was: His full name, wife, number of children, birth date, address and seems like parents name and where born. Also his description. I may have missed something... Best Regards, Trev

What Vickers are you researching? I have Vickers who married into the Allen family. Peg Spencer

Does anyone have any information about Jeremiah Wooten, son of M.R. Wooten? Jeremiah married Phoebe Hardester/Hardesty abt. 1812. Also researching WILLIAMS, VICKERS, HARDESTY, GHOLSON, KEASLER. Ken Hunt

While in Salt Lake City, in 1995, I found the World War I Registration Cards on microfilm for Missouri, Oklahoma and Fulton County, Illinois. Darlene

I seem to have engendered some confusion with my request about the draft registration records, so I'll reply to the list as a whole with some background. 1. Military Records, in general: I listened to a lecture from people from the National Personnel Records Center (which is in St. Louis) a couple of months ago. 80% of the records were lost for all U.S. Army personnel discharged between 11/1/1912 and Jan 1 1960. (USAF personnel records were also for those after 1947. You can request them to look for the records if you know their full name as used in the service, service number, dates of service, and military branch. If you don't know all of this, they'll determine if you give them enough info to try a search. They do have a lot of surviving info but it does require a search for them. Hey, they get paid for it, so I wouldn't hesitate to ask. They encouraged it at the lecture. They give priority if the request is for the veteran or widow of the veteran or for your parents but they'll do it for others as well. I can provide more info if anyone is interested 2. Draft Registrations - Those records do exist on microfilm. I've checked the ones for MO in St. Louis, but the libraries here don't have the records for IL. They are very interesting records. The rules required that everyone from 18 to about 45 to register for the draft over three draft registration periods between 1914 and 1918. If you have an ancestor born between 1873 and 1900 you might want to check them out. They have some good info. See, for example, http://www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/sc-ww1-q.htm I would assume that they'll have the records in Springfield, IL, but hoped that they also have a copy in Hamilton Co. That way I can go there and check land records and check out draft registrations. Jim Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "d1anna" <d1anna@attbi.com>

Jim Terry From my understanding, there was a fire and "all the" or "most of the" WWI records are not around. Boy, of all the wars ... you picked the one not around or on line! Silly! HA!! I have been to Springfield, ILVetAdmin, and more. Can not even find any left from the 'most of all' in IL or MO. Thanks! Dianna Wayne Co., IL Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilwayne host: http://www.iltrails.org/Wayne Yahoo Voice Chat id = d1anna46 AOL-IM id = dlwillie 1 James Terry wrote: > > My grandparents and father (Bill and Ellen Nora Terry and Preston) lived > in Dahlgren from about 1917 - 1920. My father should have registered for > WWI from Hamilton Co. Could someone tell me if registration records are > available in the county or where I might find them in IL? I haven't had any > luck with St. Louis area llibraries. > Thanks for any help! > Jim Terry, > House Springs, MO

My grandparents and father (Bill and Ellen Nora Terry and Preston) lived in Dahlgren from about 1917 - 1920. My father should have registered for WWI from Hamilton Co. Could someone tell me if registration records are available in the county or where I might find them in IL? I haven't had any luck with St. Louis area llibraries. Thanks for any help! Jim Terry, House Springs, MO

----- Original Message ----- From: Rolene Kiesling <rolene@mlode.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 20 February, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] Samuel Ritchey, b. 1808 > Can anyone identify the descendants of Samuel Ritchey, who > married Nancy Dickey 12-8-1828 in Warren County, KY? Is this the Samuel > Ritchey > that is listed in the 1860 census for Hamilton County, as age 52? > > Did they have a daughter, Martha Jane, born 1832? Yes it is the same....there could have been more children and might have been married before the 1850 census. I see at least 5 possibilities in the marriage records... Best Regards, Trev Descendants of Samuel Ritchey 1 Samuel RITCHEY b: Abt. 1806 in KY .. +Nancy DICKEY b: Abt. 1807 in NC m: 08 Dec, 1828 in Warren Co., KY ........... 2 Mary RITCHEY b: Abt. 1829 in KY ........... 2 James H. "Jim" RITCHEY b: Abt. 1836 in KY/TN ............... +Pauline/Perlina "Ellen?" FLANNIGAN b: Abt. 1838 in IL ......................... 3 John M. RITCHY b: Abt. 1858 in IL ......................... 3 Laura Lucretia RITCHY b: 17 Oct, 1860 in Texas Co., MO d: 30 Apr, 1940 in Hamilton/Saline Co., IL. Burial: Liberty Springs Cem., Hamilton Co., IL. ............................. +James Robert MACE b: 31 Jul, 1858 in Saline Co., IL, m: 05 Sep, 1880 in Hamilton Co. IL d: 06 Mar, 1929 in Harrisburg, Saline Co., IL Burial: Liberty Springs Cem., Hamilton Co., IL. Father: Thomas J. MACE Mother: Nancy E. KEATON ...................................... 4 Effie Sarah MACE b: Aug 1881 in IL Burial: Orient Cemetery .......................................... +John Henry HALL b: Nov 1881 in IL Father: John M. HALL Mother: Josephine America BRADEN .................................................... 5 Robert HALL .................................................... 5 Essary HALL .................................................... 5 Millie HALL Burial: Orient Cemetery .................................................... 5 Violet HALL ........................................................ +Unknown LEE .................................................... 5 Mildred HALL ........................................................ +Ira CLARIDA Father: Mike CLARIDA Mother: Minnie SMITH ...................................... 4 Etta Jane MACE b: 03 Nov, 1884 in Hamilton? Co., IL. d: 16 Jun, 1964 in Uknown Burial: Liberty Cemetery, S. Flannigan Twp., Ham. Co., IL .......................................... +Steve HEARD b: 21 Apr, 1883 in Hamilton Co., IL. d: 06 Jul, 1975 in Hamilton/Franklin Co., IL Burial: Pleasant Hill Cem., Cave Twp., Franklin Co., IL .................................................... 5 Tressa HEARD b: Abt. 1908 in IL .................................................... 5 Ernest HEARD b: Abt. 1911 in IL .................................................... 5 Elmos HEARD b: Abt. 1914 in IL .................................................... 5 Essie HEARD b: Abt. 1919 in IL ...................................... 4 James Walter MACE b: 25 May, 1887 in Hamilton/Saline Co., IL d: 09 Sep, 1959 in Franklin? Co., IL Burial: Logan Cem., Parrish, Franklin Co., IL (or M&O). .......................................... +Paralee (Maude?) WILLIAMS Burial: Logan Cem., Parrish, IL .................................................... 5 James MACE .................................................... 5 Harold "Cotton" MACE b: 10 Apr, 1914 in Uknown d: 15 Apr, 1973 in Uknown ........................................................ +Elnora _________ b: 06 Jul, 1922 in Uknown d: 07 Mar, 1983 in Uknown ...................................... 4 [1] George MACE b: 15 Mar, 1889 in Hamilton/Saline Co., IL d: 15 Dec, 1941 in Uknown Burial: Tate's Chaple, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL .......................................... +Beartha M. ENDICOTT b: 14 May, 1895 in IL d: 21 Mar, 1988 in Saline? Co., IL Burial: Tate's Chaple, TateTtwp., Saline Co., IL Father: Samuel George Washington ENDICOTT Mother: Nancy HICKS .................................................... 5 Howard MACE b: Bet. 08 Jul 1914 - 1917 in Uknown d: Jul 1949 in Germany .................................................... 5 Verbal MACE ........................................................ +Unknown DODD .................................................... 5 James MACE b: 03 Nov, 1920 in Eldorado, Saline Co., IL d: 10 Sep, 1998 in Ferrell Hospital, Eldorado, Saline Co., IL Burial: 13 Sep, 2000 Tates' Chapel, Saline Co., IL ........................................................ +Delores _________ ...................................... *2nd Wife of [1] George Mace: .......................................... +Emma KARNES b: 07 Apr, 1906 in IL d: 07 Sep, 1952 in IL Burial: Tate Chapel, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL Father: Lafayette KARNES Mother: Julia ENDICOTT .................................................... 5 Lois I. MACE b: 04 Dec, 1932 in IL d: in (living) Burial: Tate Chapel, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL ........................................................ +Lowell Gray JONES b: 12 Mar, 1929 in Dyer Co., TN d: 08 Mar, 1974 in TN Burial: Tate Chapel, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL Father: Jessie JONES Mother: Nettie May GILLILAND ...................................... 4 Howard Everett MACE b: Jan 1895 in IL Burial: M&O Cem., Benton, Franklin Co., IL .......................................... +Nola VANTREASE Father: George Edmund/Edwin? VANTREASE Mother: Eliza M. LEWIS .................................................... 5 Everett Dean MACE b: 1921 in Uknown d: 1921 in Uknown .................................................... 5 Geneva MACE .................................................... 5 Lorraine MACE .................................................... 5 Bobby(Robert?) MACE .................................................... 5 Donald MACE ...................................... 4 Agnus Allie MACE b: 01 May, 1898 in Hamilton Co., IL d: 02 Mar, 1983 in Saline/Ham. Co., IL Burial: Lebanon Cem., Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL .......................................... +George Douglas LOGAN b: 13 Dec, 1890 in White Co., IL m: 30 Aug, 1914 in Hamilton Co. IL d: 28 Dec, 1968 in Uknown Burial: Lebanon Cem., Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL Father: Milton R. LOGAN Mother: Allie POMEROY .................................................... 5 Lucresia Agnus Allie LOGAN ........................................................ +Herman CARTER Father: Joseph Newton CARTER .................................................... 5 Lavern LOGAN .................................................... 5 George Harold LOGAN .................................................... 5 Geraldine LOGAN .................................................... 5 Norma Lee LOGAN .................................................... 5 Oma Fern LOGAN ...................................... 4 [2] Dorothy MACE b: 21 Nov, 1903 in Thompsonville, Franklin Co., IL d: 23 Aug, 1964 in Saline/Franklin/Hamilton? Co., IL Burial: 1964 Liberty Cemetery, S. Flannigan Twp., Ham. Co., IL .......................................... +Johnny HOLLAND Burial: Digby Cem., Hamilton Co., IL .................................................... 5 Cecil HOLLAND .................................................... 5 Billie Gene HOLLAND .................................................... 5 Vachel HOLLAND .................................................... 5 Leona HOLLAND .................................................... 5 Ralph HOLLAND .................................................... 5 Beula Fay HOLLAND ...................................... *2nd Husband of [2] Dorothy Mace: .......................................... +Frederick RISTCH/RETSCH b: 1876 in Uknown d: 1957 in Uknown Burial: Liberty Cemetery, S. Flannigan Twp., Ham. Co., IL ...................................... *3rd Husband of [2] Dorothy Mace: .......................................... +Ray PAGE m: Bet. 1957 - 1964 in Unknown ......................... 3 Sarah RITCHY b: Abt. 1862 in IL ......................... 3 Melira? RITCHY b: Abt. 1865 in IL ......................... 3 Samuel Buel RITCHY b: 01 Dec, 1867 in Flannigan Twp., Ham. Co., IL d: 05 Mar, 1941 in Crook Twp., Ham. Co., IL Burial: Pleasant Hill Cem., Cave Twp., Franklin Co., IL ............................. +Olive BOYD m: 188 d: 1897 ...................................... 4 Unknown RITCHY d: in Died in infancy ...................................... 4 Unknown RITCHY d: in Died in infancy ...................................... 4 Mae RITCHY .......................................... +Unknown SAVAGE ...................................... 4 Idelene RITCHY .......................................... +Unknown PEARCE ........... 2 William R. RITCHEY b: Abt. 1838 in KY ........... 2 Harriet A. RITCHEY b: Abt. 1840 in KY ........... 2 Rebecca E. RITCHEY b: Abt. 1843 in KY ........... 2 Nancy C. RITCHEY b: Abt. 1845 in KY ........... 2 Prior Newton RITCHEY b: Abt. 1848 in IL

Can anyone identify the descendants of Samuel Ritchey, who married Nancy Dickey 12-8-1828 in Warren County, KY? Is this the Samuel Ritchey that is listed in the 1860 census for Hamilton County, as age 52? Did they have a daughter, Martha Jane, born 1832? Rolene Kiesling, Groveland, CA