This doesn't seem like an appropriate posting for this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Kington" <blkington@auxware.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] This one is great '' > > Subject: Fw: This one is great '' > > > > A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare > > > works of art. They had everything in their > > > collection, from Picasso to Raphael. > > > > > > They would often sit together and admire the > > > great works of art. > > > > > > When the Viet Nam conflict broke out, the son > > > went to war. He was very courageous and > > > died in battle while rescuing another soldier. > > > > > > The father was notified and grieved deeply > > > for his only son. > > > > > > About a month later, just before Christmas, > > > there was a knock at the door. A young man stood > > > at the door with a large package in his hands. > > > > > > He said, Sir, you don't know me, but I am > > > the soldier for whom your son gave his life. > > > He saved many lives that day, and he was > > > carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in the > > > heart and he died instantly. He often talked > > > about you, and your love for art. > > > > > > The young man held out his package. I know this > > > isn't much. I'm not really a great artist, > > > but I think your son would have wanted you to > > > have this; > > > > > > The father opened the package. It was a > > > portrait of his son, painted by the young man. He > > > stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured > > > the personality of his son in the painting. The > > > father was so drawn to the eyes that his > > > own eyes welled up with tears. > > > > > > He thanked the young man and offered to pay > > > him for the picture. Oh, no sir, I could never > > > repay what your son did for me. It's a gift; > > > > > > The father hung the portrait over his mantle. > > > Every time visitors came to his home he > > > took them to see the portrait of his son before he > > > showed them any of the other great works he had > > > collected. > > > > > > The father died a few months later, there was > > > to be a great auction of his paintings. Many > > > influential people gathered, excited over > > > seeing the great paintings and having an > > > opportunity to purchase one for their collection. > > > On the platform sat the painting of the son. The > > > auctioneer pounded his gavel. We will > > > start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who > > > will bid for this picture; > > > > > > back of the room shouted, We want to see the > > > famous paintings. Skip this one; > > > > > > But the auctioneer persisted, Will someone > > > bid for this painting? Who will start the > > > bidding? $100, $200?; > > > > > > Another voice shouted angrily, We didn't > > > come to see this painting. We came to see the Van > > > Goghs, the Rembrandts. Get on with the real > > > bids; But still the auctioneer continued, The son! > > > The son! Who'll take the son? Finally, a > > > voice came from the very back of the room. It was the > > > longtime gardener of the man and his son. > > > & shout; I'll give $10 for the painting; > > > > > > Being a poor man, it was all he could afford. > > > We have $10, who will bid 20? Give it > > > to him for $10. Let's see the masters. $10 is > > > the bid, won't someone bid $20? The crowd was > > > becoming angry. They didn't want the > > > picture of the son. They wanted the more worthy > > > investments for their collections. The auctioneer > > > pounded the gavel. Going once, twice, SOLD for $10; > > > > > > A man sitting on the second row shouted, > > > Now let's get on with the collection; The > > > auctioneer laid down his gavel, I'm sorry, the auction > > > is over; > > > What about the paintings? > > > I am sorry. When I was called to conduct > > > this auction, I was told of a secret stipulation > > > in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that > > > stipulation until this time. Only the painting > > > of the son would be auctioned. Whoever > > > bought that painting would inherit the entire > > > estate, including the paintings. The man who took > > > the son gets everything; > > > > > > God gave his Son 2,000 years ago to die on > > > a cruel cross. Much like the auctioneer, His > > > message today is, The Son, the Son, > > > who'll take the Son?; Because you see, whoever takes > > > the Son gets everything. > > > --author unknown > > > > > > Please send this to ten people and back to > > > the one who sent it to you. An Angel is > > > watching over you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > MSN > > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Misty Flannigan's Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy Resource Page at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5807/ >

Subject: Fw: This one is great '' > A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare > > works of art. They had everything in their > > collection, from Picasso to Raphael. > > > > They would often sit together and admire the > > great works of art. > > > > When the Viet Nam conflict broke out, the son > > went to war. He was very courageous and > > died in battle while rescuing another soldier. > > > > The father was notified and grieved deeply > > for his only son. > > > > About a month later, just before Christmas, > > there was a knock at the door. A young man stood > > at the door with a large package in his hands. > > > > He said, Sir, you don't know me, but I am > > the soldier for whom your son gave his life. > > He saved many lives that day, and he was > > carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in the > > heart and he died instantly. He often talked > > about you, and your love for art. > > > > The young man held out his package. I know this > > isn't much. I'm not really a great artist, > > but I think your son would have wanted you to > > have this; > > > > The father opened the package. It was a > > portrait of his son, painted by the young man. He > > stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured > > the personality of his son in the painting. The > > father was so drawn to the eyes that his > > own eyes welled up with tears. > > > > He thanked the young man and offered to pay > > him for the picture. Oh, no sir, I could never > > repay what your son did for me. It's a gift; > > > > The father hung the portrait over his mantle. > > Every time visitors came to his home he > > took them to see the portrait of his son before he > > showed them any of the other great works he had > > collected. > > > > The father died a few months later, there was > > to be a great auction of his paintings. Many > > influential people gathered, excited over > > seeing the great paintings and having an > > opportunity to purchase one for their collection. > > On the platform sat the painting of the son. The > > auctioneer pounded his gavel. We will > > start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who > > will bid for this picture; > > > > back of the room shouted, We want to see the > > famous paintings. Skip this one; > > > > But the auctioneer persisted, Will someone > > bid for this painting? Who will start the > > bidding? $100, $200?; > > > > Another voice shouted angrily, We didn't > > come to see this painting. We came to see the Van > > Goghs, the Rembrandts. Get on with the real > > bids; But still the auctioneer continued, The son! > > The son! Who'll take the son? Finally, a > > voice came from the very back of the room. It was the > > longtime gardener of the man and his son. > > & shout; I'll give $10 for the painting; > > > > Being a poor man, it was all he could afford. > > We have $10, who will bid 20? Give it > > to him for $10. Let's see the masters. $10 is > > the bid, won't someone bid $20? The crowd was > > becoming angry. They didn't want the > > picture of the son. They wanted the more worthy > > investments for their collections. The auctioneer > > pounded the gavel. Going once, twice, SOLD for $10; > > > > A man sitting on the second row shouted, > > Now let's get on with the collection; The > > auctioneer laid down his gavel, I'm sorry, the auction > > is over; > > What about the paintings? > > I am sorry. When I was called to conduct > > this auction, I was told of a secret stipulation > > in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that > > stipulation until this time. Only the painting > > of the son would be auctioned. Whoever > > bought that painting would inherit the entire > > estate, including the paintings. The man who took > > the son gets everything; > > > > God gave his Son 2,000 years ago to die on > > a cruel cross. Much like the auctioneer, His > > message today is, The Son, the Son, > > who'll take the Son?; Because you see, whoever takes > > the Son gets everything. > > --author unknown > > > > Please send this to ten people and back to > > the one who sent it to you. An Angel is > > watching over you. > > > > > > _____ MSN

Would someone please look for this family- probably in Hamilton Co. ELBERT S. SMITH age about 80 born in TN. wife, LYDIA ANN (STELLE) age about 83 born in IL. Is there a way to find them if Elbert is not head of household? Thanks for any help. Evalyn

Does anyone know if there is any information available about the people that were in the TB Sanitarium in Mt. Vernon? Also the years that it operated. Gale Prince Nash

I am ready to start shaking the Mansell side of the tree. I would like to have information on Samuel Mansell b c1840 and Lyman Beecher Mansell b c1860. If anyone cares to offer a Mansell gedcom I would greatly appreciate that. Thanks John O'Neal

Crouch Township, Hamilton County, IL named for: Adam Crouch: Was a native of Virginia, and came to this county area about 1816. Mr. Crouch served as one of the county commissioners. He lived north of McLeansboro, near the Crouch road, and the road and township where he lived took his name. IllinoyGenealogy@aol.com wrote: > hi, > Recently i've discovered my GGGGrandfather's brother, Richard Googin > CROUCH b abt1817 NH had lived in neighboring Marion County before moving to > Woodford County and ended up in Livingston County by the 1860 census. Since > Hamilton County is so close to Marion County and there is a Crouch Township > in Hamilton County i'd like to know if anyone knows: > > 1) Who was Crouch Township named for? > > 2) Is anyone studying the CROUCH line of 1850 and before? > > Thank you in advance for any possible leads... > thanx > dennis > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This list is sponsored by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. > Visit them at http://www.rootsweb.com/

hi, Recently i've discovered my GGGGrandfather's brother, Richard Googin CROUCH b abt1817 NH had lived in neighboring Marion County before moving to Woodford County and ended up in Livingston County by the 1860 census. Since Hamilton County is so close to Marion County and there is a Crouch Township in Hamilton County i'd like to know if anyone knows: 1) Who was Crouch Township named for? 2) Is anyone studying the CROUCH line of 1850 and before? Thank you in advance for any possible leads... thanx dennis

hi, At one time it was common practice to have several towns of the same name in the state, and many towns and cities had former names with a few having had several, so if you have used a current map to find an old town name you may have created your very own brick walls or even worse you have connected with the wrong lines. "Bloomfield" is an excellent example of this common practice, just look at any current map and find it now in Johnson County close to Vienna, in 1958 it had a population of 80. Did you know there was another Bloomfield in Adams County? Close to Quincy, in 1958 it had a population of 25. There were others in Edgar, Fulton, Greene, Johnson and Scott Counties and all were spelled "Bloomfield." Plus precincts in Johnson and Scott Counties by the same name of "Bloomfield." Nine localities, all named "Bloomfield." Do you need more examples, maybe hundreds of examples? Sure hope you can easily see the point i am trying to make... many genealogies are out there now with improper connections because an inexperienced genealogist has picked the wrong county and matched up the wrong "SMITH" or "JONES" or "WHOEVER" because they thought they had the right county to chose from. Wrong connections are now made as the names that were available in that county were close so they figured a few misspellings or similar names would suffice. Or the town was the correct town but the county changed several times? Some still can't make the connection and are experienced enough to know that close doesn't always count, so they know they have hit a brickwall. My suggestion is that you jot down the towns your ancestors are known to have lived in and look them up on the statewide list of over 15,750 place names using your Ctrl/f keys to do the search. Copy down each county that each town appears in after the town name and you'll probably be amazed to find that instead of them moving all around the state they lived in a few neighboring counties. For details of when the town was active you could consult the web pages listed below for the 25 Northeast Counties as those are now online, the 44 South Counties will have details online beginning later this month, and the last 33 West Counties should have details online beginning this summer. When those new pages are up and running i'll send out an updated e-mail here and i'll post it on each Rootsweb county list as each county becomes available for research. The following web pages are enormous and each will take over four minutes to download if your connection is a dial up modem and AOL is NOT busy and your computer is PROPERLY tuned. If you get a message that AOL is busy just rapidly tap on your reload button a few times and AOL wakes up and lets you in. It works for me as i use the IE browser instead of the AOL browser... here are the url's: <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/illinoygenealogy/myhomepage/writing.html"> Illinois Family History Research: Place Names of Each Illinois County</A> is a statewide list of over 15,750 towns, cities and townships known to have ever existed, grouped by county, covers all 102 counties. Each county now has "last updated date: brief description of the last update" at the beginning of each county listing. Each county has it's own listing of US Post Offices of 1859/60. For the 25 Northeast Counties, if a dash (-) after the name that indicates it is either obsolete or you won't find it on most current maps, but it may appear on an older more detailed map, and as other counties are completed this will show on them as well. If i determined a listing was made either in error or it conflicts with other more reliable sources i've listed the source of information. This is the most complete list of its kind to be found anywhere. <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/illinoygenealogy/myhomepage/tv.html"> Illinois Family History Research: Place Names of the Northeast 25 Counties</A> is a detailed list of everything known about each town, city and township, with over 5280 listings. Each county now has "last updated date: brief description of the last update" at the beginning of each county listing. Each county has it's own listing of US Post Offices of 1859/60 as well as a listing of the 1876 RR's and the towns the RR ran through. When the list is complete, as the first 17 of the 25 counties are, the following will be listed on each town or city, if known, in this order: how it got it's name; former name; alias name; later name; present name; a dash (-) after the name indicates it is either obsolete or you won't find it on most current maps; the township the town or city is in; another county the town may overlap into; date of incorporation; elevation; railroad name of old and new; (Post Office history of: former name; when established and in which county; when discontinued; new name if changed; if active and the current zip); RFD in 1960 or 1990 mail to town; and 1990 population. For each township, if known: how it got its name; former name; later name; every town that has ever been in that particular township; currently the town that accepts mail for this township; and 1990 population. The following 17 counties are completely done: Boone, Champaign, De Kalb, De Witt, Ford, Grundy, Iroquois, Kankakee, LaSalle, Livingston, Logan, Marshall, McLean, Putnam, Tazewell, Vermilion, and Woodford. The following eight counties are not yet completely done, each has all towns and townships known to be in existence from before 1818 up to 1960, but lacks the next 30 years, and in the next month will be brought up to 1990: Cook, DuPage, Kane, Kendall, Lake, McHenry, Will, and Winnebago. <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/dennisvcarter1/myhomepage/heritage.html"> Illinois Family History Research: Place Names of the Southeast 44 Counties</A> has just begun with the following recent county additions (# of place names): Alexander (119), Bond (115), Christian (112), Clay (71), Clinton (103), Coles (136), Crawford (82), Cumberland (77), Dane (0), Douglas (63), Edgar (136), Edwards (45), Effingham (96), Fayette (120) , Franklin (137), Gallatin (85), Hamilton (103), Hardin (53), and Jackson (169), each starting off with all towns, cities and townships known to be in existence from before 1818 up to 1960. Later current information, up to 1990, will follow in the summer or fall with over 5261 listings in total. <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/dcarter956/myhomepage/heritage.html"> Illinois Family History Research: Place Names of the 33 Western Counties</A> is in development and will begin early this summer, with over 5209 listings. Will start off with all towns, cities and townships known to be in existence from before 1818 up to 1960 and current information, up to 1990, will follow in the fall or winter. <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/livingstoncounty/myhomepage/tv.html"> Illinois Family History Research: Timeline for Genealogy</A> is from the year 1400 to present, a chronological history of Illinois, United States, Germanic, British, France, and other European countries, each of these events have a bearing on family history. This list has been designed to help you also study your other lines that lived outside Illinois and each of the several thousand entries has been cited with its own source, over two dozen sources cited, and links to "the rest of the story" in many cases. This is the most complete list of its kind to be found anywhere. <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/livingstoncounty/myhomepage/business.html"> Livingston County, Illinois, Family History Research: Genealogy</A> is a master index of every family known to have lived in this county from 1831-1985. Several thousand surnames are listed alphabetically and each surname has each source cited, several hundred surnames have multiple sources cited, and 30 sources have so far been used. Many of these sources are online so you can easily confirm your suspicions of connections within a few minutes. Sources include records from biographies, cemetery, census, church, death, land and deed, marriages, military, etc., and a system is used so that by looking at the code following a surname you'll know the decade the record came from as well as the type of record and actual source. Many researchers from other states have found quickly found their missing connections from this index and i challenge other researchers to do this with a county of their choosing so others may quickly confirm their connections and be encouraged to research their roots. happy hunting dennis

Would someone be able to look in the 1930 Hamilton Co. Knights Prairie Twp. census for James S. Boster b.1857 Il wife Sarah E. (Gibbs) b. 1855 IL. They were in E.D. 22 in 1920 census. Would also like the information for Vinson Boster b. 1878 IL wife,Myrtle b. 1881 IL. possible children- Everett b. 1918 IL, Dorthy, b. 1917, Kenneth b. 1914 a daughter b. 1911 IL They were also in E.D, 22 in the 1920 census. Thanks for your help.. Evalyn

This site was sent to one of the mailing lists that I subscribe to. I thought it might help someone in their searching. 1840 Census of Pensioners - Rev. War or Military Services... http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/colonial/census/1840/index.html It is searchable and also has listings per state. Evalyn

What month was the 1920 census for Hamilton Co, taken.? If it was taken before July 7, 1920 would some one please look for Eliza M. Kinlock, b. 1858 IL.. probably in Knights Prairie Twp. If census was taken after July 7, 1920 please look for David Franklin Sandusky b. 1857 KY as head of household with wife, Eliza M. b. 1858 IL.- probably in Knights Prairie Twp, Any information will be greatly appreciated. Evalyn

http://www.AncientFaces.com Here is a site to look at old photos. Some are indentified and some aren't. You can search by surname or by state. You can also contribute your own picures to the site. Phyllis

To All My Cuzn's Thought I had better mention the fact that I moved last year. New address is: PO BOX 338 Horseshoe Bend, ID 83629-0338 I be kinda slow sometimes in gettin the word out. Hey, I was born in the first half of the last century (that impresses the bee-jeebers outa the grammer school kids). TTFN Cuz Wes

There was someone on this list who sent me information about Marian Frances Garrett who married my great-granduncle, John Henry Haley. Will you please contact me? I have new information. Thank you. Phyllis

Just returned from vacation with 1000 + emails, but the website is running fine. It still has Easter graphics, but it is uploading! I'm not sure what the problem was. Thanks for the alert, -Misty- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Srch4Family@aol.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] Jefferson County Web Site > Hello everyone, > > I was wondering if someone could tell me what is up with the Jefferson County > website. Everytime I go there is says the URL not found?? I was wanting to > take a look around before I came up there. > > Thanks > Patti > > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This list is sponsored by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. > Visit them at http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Ed, There is a book titled "Veteran Burials in Illinois". I found a copy at the Benton Public Library in Benton, IL......unfortunately I can't help with Jeremiah Crabtree's burial location because I only copied those burials in Franklin County, IL. The information it contains is: name of veteran, war or military action, rank, company and regiment, date of death, and burial site. Perhaps you can get an inter-library loan, or contact Mary Rea Eubanks (Benton Libraian) and ask if she will check for Jeremiah Crabtree. Mary is a Franklin County List member, her e-mail is: maryeubanks@usa.net Sheila Ed Crabtree wrote: > I have been looking the burial location of Jeremiah Crabtree born c1832 in > Jackson Co., Ohio and died July 18 1866 at home in Hamilton Co., Illinois. > Any clues where a civil war veteran who died in 1866 might be buried? > Checked all the cemeteries listed on The Yesterdays of Hamilton County, > Illinois website and no Jeremiah. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Ed Crabtree - KCMO > familyhistorian@kc.rr.com > (previously ewcrabtree@prodigy) > Homepage: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/r/a/Edward-W-Crabtree-MO/index. > html > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit the Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy USGenWeb site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhamilt/

I have been looking the burial location of Jeremiah Crabtree born c1832 in Jackson Co., Ohio and died July 18 1866 at home in Hamilton Co., Illinois. Any clues where a civil war veteran who died in 1866 might be buried? Checked all the cemeteries listed on The Yesterdays of Hamilton County, Illinois website and no Jeremiah. Any help will be appreciated. Ed Crabtree - KCMO familyhistorian@kc.rr.com (previously ewcrabtree@prodigy) Homepage: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/r/a/Edward-W-Crabtree-MO/index. html

Hello. Did someone say they had the 1880 state census? I would appreciate a lookup. Thank you Jody R

Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone could tell me what is up with the Jefferson County website. Everytime I go there is says the URL not found?? I was wanting to take a look around before I came up there. Thanks Patti

I have this snippet of information about my ancestor Catherine Nall Trout Stanfield: >From Hamilton Co., McLeansboro Library, "Katherine was a stout woman. It has been said that she could throw a bushel of wheat on her shoulder like a man. When she was 75, she took the measles, and it killed her. She was buried in Mt. Olivet Cemetery." What article did this come from? If there is anyone on the list who regularly visits the McLeansboro Library, I'd love to know if there is more to the article or if the information came from an obituary. Catherine Nall was born 15 Dec 1801 in NC; she married George Trout 1 Jun 1817 in Davidson Co., TN; moved to Hamilton Co., IL by 1832. After George's death, she married Thomas Stanfield in 1850, but he lived less than a year. Catherine died 24 Feb 1877. Thanks for any help on this. Sandra