Hello, I am afraid I must give up doing look ups for people in the Abstracts of Wills of Hamilton Co, ILL., by Hazel Lea Neff. My husband is quite ill, we may have to give up our home and move into a retirement type apt /senior citizen apt complex and even tho we hope to be able to afford a two bedroom apt, there will not be room for my very large library and I will be donating almost all of my research books to a local genealogical society here. I had thought I might try to sell many of my books on E-Bay or something but think I will just donate them. Some I will be giving to the children as they pertain to direct lines that someone has published. Sorry to have to give this up; people have not asked very often and they have all been very polite . Claire

BARNES BOND CRISEL DAILY/DAILEY/DALY DAVIS DICKSON/DIXON GARRISON GATLAND HAMMER HAYTER HENSLEY HOOKER HUTCHCRAFT LASLEY LIGON MANGIS MAULDING McGEHEE MEANS TAYLOR PERRY WADE WARD WILLIAMSEN WILLIS WILSON WOODSON ladybug@arends-sons.com

How about number identification? Meaning that if you have the ss number the cost is less. Makes sense to me. Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: Evalyn Turner <eturner@ccrtc.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [ILHAMILT-L] SSDI > NUMIDENT - not in my dictionary either. but I'm guessing that it might be > some type of printout showing the social security number of the individual- > number identification. > > Evalyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: ladybug [mailto:ladybug@arends-sons.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:30 PM > To: ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] SSDI > > > Fellow genealogists: I am getting ready to request copy of the SS-5 > application, etc on two individuals. > The last time, it cost $7 and that was it. Today, I read, $27 for copy of > original SS-5 application > OR > !16 for copy of an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout. What the heck is > NUMIDENT? It is not even in my > (old) dictionary? ladybug > > > > > > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit the Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy USGenWeb site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhamilt/ > >

I am researching the following families of Hamilton County IL: Clark, Hungate, Cullins, Freeman. My line is from Jacob C. Clark who married Kassey (maiden name unknown) via their son Abraham Meadow Clark who married Hannah Jane Hungate. Via their son William Lewis Clark (b: abt 1855) who married Letta Florence Cullins (b: abt 1861, d/o of John Cullins and Mary Hungate). As you can see I have the Hungate line twice in my tree. The Clark family was very abundant in Hamilton and Franklin counties (neighboring counties) and many cousins were neighbors which makes sorting them all out quite difficult. I think I have a pretty good handle on the Clark and Hungate lines but could always use input. My biggest brick wall is figuring out when my GG Grandparents William Lewis Clark and his wife Florence, nee Cullins died and where they are buried. They apparently died sometime before the 1900 census. I have them in the 1880 census, newlyweds, with a one year old daughter Ada Clark. The 1890 census burned as we all know and, by the 1900 census William and Florence Clark are deceased leaving (at least) six young children orphaned....may be more children but I have not found them. I purchased the book Legacy of Kin as recommended but no William and Florence or Letta Florence Clark are noted.......go figure. Any other suggestions? I am close enough to drive to Hamilton County (about an hour and a half) but I would not know where to begin to search for death dates and burial place of persons prior to 1900. I need some direction. any suggestions? Tina Mitchell TinaBopperM@msn.com

A numident has the essential information but isn't the actual application. Susan Meier

NUMIDENT probably means Number Identification???? I ordered approximately 20 of the Form SS-5 before they went up in price (got one for everyone I could think of). For $27.00 you get a copy of the original form and for $16.00 you will probably just get a computer printout with the information. Didn't the price go up in 2001? Darlene Shawn

NUMIDENT - not in my dictionary either. but I'm guessing that it might be some type of printout showing the social security number of the individual- number identification. Evalyn -----Original Message----- From: ladybug [mailto:ladybug@arends-sons.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:30 PM To: ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] SSDI Fellow genealogists: I am getting ready to request copy of the SS-5 application, etc on two individuals. The last time, it cost $7 and that was it. Today, I read, $27 for copy of original SS-5 application OR !16 for copy of an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout. What the heck is NUMIDENT? It is not even in my (old) dictionary? ladybug

Fellow genealogists: I am getting ready to request copy of the SS-5 application, etc on two individuals. The last time, it cost $7 and that was it. Today, I read, $27 for copy of original SS-5 application OR !16 for copy of an abbreviated NUMIDENT printout. What the heck is NUMIDENT? It is not even in my (old) dictionary? ladybug

F.Marion Green and his son Martin V. Green My husband's grandmother was Ethelinda Martha Jane Green, born 22 Oct 1887 Dexter, Stoddard, MO. She married Grover Cleveland Bagby 2 Aug 1904 Bloomfield, Stoddard, MO. They had a large family: Clyde Cleveland, Ernest William, Loren Lee, Nola Augusta, Virginia Ruth, Verda Alice Piccola, Hazel Marie, Joseph Woodrow, Dolly Elberta, Grover Carl, Graydon Edward, Berniece Louise, Robert Floyd. Martha died 13 Oct 1929 Parma, New Madrid, MO. She was a pretty woman, inside and out, much loved and respected by family and friends. She was a hard worker and made every effort to help her husband provide for their family. Martha's father was Martin V. Green, born about 1859 in Illinois according to census reports, but we don't know which county in Illinois. Martha's husband Grover, told some of his children he thought Martin Green was born in Hamilton or White County, Illinois. He died about 1917 Dexter, Stoddard Co, Mo and is buried in Hagey Cemetery, Dexter, MO. Martin married first Lizzie Culbertson 2 Dec 1880, Stoddard County, MO, but that didn't work out and apparently they never had any children. He then married second, Martha's mother, Zelthia Angeline Swift. She was born 1857 in Missouri according to what her mother reported to the census. Zelthia died 25 Oct 1887, Dexter, Stoddard, MO. Martha was just three days old when her mother died. There was another child to this marriage; Ethel Marie Green, born 17 June 1886, Dexter, Stoddard, MO. She married 15 March 1905 Bloomfield, Stoddard, MO to James Lewis Haney, they had several children, too. Ethel died 4 March 1938. Martin Green married third to Lilly Fettinger about 1888, probably in southeast Missouri. Lilly died, but I don't know when. They had two children; Marion Henry Green born ca 1891, MO, d 9 June 1935, married Ethel Mae Hill; Effie Green born 10 May 1890, married 1941 Cliner Wingate. Martin Green married fourth Mary Essie Higdon about 1900 probably Missouri. She died, but I don't know when or where. They had several children: Earl Teen born about 1900, probably Indiana, died Nov 1918; Annabel born about 1904 probably Indiana, died 24 Jan 1936; Dora Mae born about 1905 probably Indiana, died Nov 1918; Basil Thomas born 11 Feb 1907 probably Indiana, died 23 July 1967, married 18 Nov 1936 to Mary Margaret Lecocq; Albert born about 1909 probably Indiana, died about 1917; and George Washington Green born 11 Jan 1912 Grayson, Salem, Illinois, md 24 March 1943 to Ruby Martha Phelps, they had a son Gilbert Leon Green born 5 Dec 1944 Princeton, Indiana, married 24 June 1964 Princeton, Indiana. For whatever reason, most likely because he didn't know how to take care of two babies, Martin Green left the two girls he had by Zelthia with Zelthia's parents, William Franklin Swift and Ethelinda Owen Swift to take care of after Zelthia died. For another reason, I'm not sure what the story is, the girls stayed with their grandparents and they raised them as though they were their own. Martin V. Green's parents were F. (we think Francis) Marion Green and his wife Nancy M. (last name unknown). According to the Stoddard Co, Mo 1880 census Marion was born in 1835 in Missouri, but his father was born in Tennessee and his mother was born in Kentucky. According to the census Nancy was born 1845 in Missouri, both her parents were born in Missouri. We found a deed in an old land record book in Bloomfield, MO where F. Marion and Nancy M. signed. Marion died 30 March 1887 near Dexter, Stoddard, MO and is buried in Hagey Cemetery, Dexter, Stoddard, MO. Nancy died after 1904 near Dexter. The story passed on to me by my husband's mother was that Marion died at Uncle Henry Swift's place in Stoddard Co, MO, it was beside a school possible Lone Oak, no longer there, along the old Dexter sand road between Dexter and Bernie. Not sure who Uncle Henry Swift is, or how much credence to put into this story since Marion Green was not a relative of the Swifts. On the 1900 Census, Liberty Twp, Stoddard Co, MO is listed Nancy Green as hoh, a widow, b Sep 1846 (not far off what was reported previously) in Mo, parents b in MO. Listed with Nancy is Carrie Carson, niece, b Oct 1888, single, b Mo. Now, question is, was Nancy a Carson, or was Carrie's mother Nancy's sister, who may have married a Carson. To muddy the waters further: Another family story goes that Martin Green came to Missouri and brought his parents and lived near Joe Wheeler, the brother of Marion Green. Joe Wheeler, supposedly, moved to Missouri and chaged his name from Green because he had killed a man. Wheeler was supposed to be the name of his stepmother's first husband. Joe and Marion are buried close together at Hagey Cemetery at Dexter. I got the 1850 Census film of Stoddard Co, MO, but I could not find any Greens on that census. I have the 1860 Stoddard Co film ordered, but it hasn't come in yet, same with 1870. The only Martin Green I could find on the 1880 Census was living in a boarding house in St. Louis and listed his his occupation as news agent, maybe he was working for a newspaper, I don't know. As far as I can remember, that's all of my Green story I know to tell you. Hopefully, somebody will be able to contribute something to help with this perplexing family puzzle.

Just a note to let you know effective 1 july 02 my new email address is: WesGarvin@msn.com TTFN Cuz Wes

Reading some 1920 Hamilton County census, Bond names. I see as a neighbor to John E. & Ed Davis Bond family: Frank Schelenbaum b. NY about 1871 Sophie b. IL abt 1875 children: Hilda Lincoln M. Miles R. Bertha D---- J. all born Il. I know from Ella O. Hutchcraft (d/o John E. Bond mentioned above) that Frank Schelenbaum came to IL. on the ORPHAN TRAIN. Any input? ladybug@arends-sons.com

I would like to welcome those of you new to this site and tell you there are some really great folks who are willing to help just for the asking. I, myself do Volunteer research at Andersonville Civil War Prison in Andersonville Georgia. There are Any research I do is absolutely at NO cost and I am willing to do what I can. There are 3282 prisoners on record from the state of Illinois and more than 1000 who died here, I thought I would send my offer. Here are my sources of research. There are 2 online databases to do lookups.....One by name...one by Company and Regiment. I also have a copy of the Dorence Atwater Death list which has the names and grave numbers of 12960 graves with only 460 marked as " UNKNOWN " This along with a CD I have which contains 34,000 names of the 45,000 who were imprisoned there which helps me find prisoner records because of misspellings of the names or alternate names. I visit the prison site every couple of weeks and have access to the onsite databases as well as the physical files. I would like to let you know of another service I offer which is to take photos of graves for a small fee. Please do not consider this spam as my research offer is FREE for the asking and will be posted on this county site only once. If there is anything I can do in helping your research at Andersonville, please just ask. Kevin Frye Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer Please visit my website dedicated to those Americans who were imprisoned and died in captivity while in the service to our country http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html AOL USERS go to http://hometown.aol.com/andersonvillecw/

Hi All, For those researchers interested in the Heard family, here is a great resource page: http://www.geocities.com/janet_ariciu/Heard.html I have been out of town but am back to work again on Yesterdays! Updates coming soon. Carol Lee Yarbrough

Two marriages shown before 1870 David Cox & Mary Elizabeth O'Neal were married Nov.26, 1863, by W. P. Bowers, J. P. Date of lic. Nov. 2l6. Parties of lawful age. Thomas B. Wright & Miss Mary ONeal were married Nov. 20, 1864, by J. M. Miller, M.G. Lic. date Nov. 19. Parties of lawful age.

Does anyone have any information about Mary A.(or E.) O'Neal, b abt 1842, Cocke Co, TN, to Henry and Lucinda O'Neal. Came to Knights Prairie between 1856 and 1859 with family. Shows in 1860 HamCo Census under Henry O. Neal. Thanks for the help. John O'Neal

Melinda Hullinger Daily McIntosh b. 3-9-1868 in Hamilton County d. 11-12-1943 in McLeansboro wed: Silas Daily? Is this Silas Daily s/o George and Mary Charlotte Crisel Hutchcraft Daily? wed: Hugh McIntosh sons: Cullen Daily? b. 1-13-1889 d. Sept 1916 & Milton Daily? ladybug@arends-sons.com

Hello Patrick, I've had a question mark by my William L Lasater's parents since I haven't found any connections other than the census records for Jacob and Eliza Lasater. However, my clues are the following: MILITARY:Veterans of White County Ill, White Co Hist. Soc. 1999 p.95 Lasater,William - civil war b. 8/16/1843, d 6/20/1879 Union Ridge Cemetery. Family headstone. Civil War Ill 131 Infantry Hamilton Co MARRIAGE: GALLATIN COUNTY ILLINOIS MARRIAGES, Book B, page 585 - photo copy made 1 Aug 2000 William L Lasater married Mrs Amanda Moye on 16th Oct 1873. Married by Silas Rhoades,JP 0 (The License reads: James L Lasater and Mrs Amanda Moye, however, the Return reads William L Lasater, both of Gallatin County, State of Illinois)---who was James L Lasater? DEATH: WHITE COUNTY ILLINOIS , Book A, No. 570, P.44 Date of report July 15, 1879. William L. Lasater, A white male age 35 died June 13, 1879 at 4 P.M. He was born in Hamilton County, IL and had lived in the State all of his life. He had been ill with pneumonia for 14 days with Dr. Frank J. Foster, M.D., Carmi, IL treating him. He was buried in Union Ridge Cemetery June 14, 1879, with J.C. Slocumb as undertaker. GRAVESTONE: Photo copy - Union Ridge Cemetery Wm. L. Lasater, Born Aug. 16, 1843, Died June 10, 1879. Nearby is the grave of his son, J.Byrd Lasater, born Aug. 27, 1874, died July 30, 1877. William L Lasater was the 2nd husband of my Great-grandmother Amanda Patrick Moye Lasater Bennett. She was pregnant with thier fourth child when Will died. I am a descendant of Amanda and her 3rd husband, Jackson Bennett. Do you think we have a connection here? Janice Knotter Columbus, OH Janice@Knotter.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <PatAnder73@aol.com> To: <ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] lasater I would like to collect Descendants of Jacob B. Lasater > Generation No. 1 > 1. Jacob B.1 Lasater was born 1818, and died February 23, 1892 in > Hamilton County, Illinois. He married Eliza Garrison1 November 24, 1841 in > Hamilton County, Illinois2, daughter of Thomas Garrison and Elizabeth > Anderson. She was born 1821 in White County, Illinois, and died Aft. 1860. > Notes for Jacob B. Lasater: > Obituary The Leader > ____________________ > 35 1077 1077 LASATER, J. B. 40 M Farmer 3,600 500 TN > 36 Eliza 39 F IL > 37 William 18 M IL X > 38 Sarah A. 16 F IL X > 39 Thomas 14 M IL > 40 Eliza J. 10 F IL X > 1 1077 1077 Cont. LASATER, Franklin P. 7 M IL > 2 Stephen A. 6 M IL > 3 John 1 M IL > > Children of Jacob Lasater and Eliza Garrison are: > 2 i. William2 Lasater, born 1842 in Hamilton County, Illinois. > Notes for William Lasater: > co I 131 inf AGR > > 3 ii. Sarah C. Lasater, born 1844 in Hamilton County, Illinois. She > married Henry M. Wilson November 28, 1867 in Hamilton County, Illinois. > 4 iii. Thomas Lasater, born 1845. > 5 iv. Eliza Lasater, born 1850. > 6 v. Stephen A. Lasater, born 1854. > 7 vi. John Lasater, born 1859. > 8 vii. Franklin P. Lasater, born 1863. > Endnotes > 1. Thomas Garrison Stansberry, "A Short Record and Autobiography of the > Garrison Family of North Carolina - and their Descendants," Phoeniz, Arizona > Territory; 1894. > 2. Ralph S. Harrelson, Hamilton County, Illinois, Marriages, 1821-1870, > (The Genealogy Society of Southern Illinois, Carterville, Illinois; 1986). > Patrick J. Anderson > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=patanderson > 9654 Baltimore Avenue, Laurel, Maryland 20723 > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This list is sponsored by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. > Visit them at http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

CULLEN DAILY b. 1-13-1889 near Aden, Il Hamilton County parents: Silas Daily (died 1893) and Melinda Hullinger Daily 1868 - 1943) one known brother, Milton Daily d. Sept 1916 home of mother, MALINDA HULLINGER DAILY McINTOSH (Malinda remarried to Hugh McIntosh) Who are parents of Silas Daily? Where is Malinda Hulligner Daily McIntosh buried? This is info I have - not verified. ladybug@arends-sons.com

JOHN BOND b. 2-24-1816 Washington County, KY parents: Mastin Bond & Tabitha WARD Bond wed: 8-5-1838 Hamilton County ? to Elizabeth Daily d. 6-25-1899 Hamilton County bur. Blooming Grove ELIZABETH DAILY b. 10-11-1822 McLeansboro parents: John Wesley Daily, Sr. & Mary Polly MAULDING Daily d. 4-28-1877 Hamilton County bur: unknown CATHERINE DICKSON HAMMER b. abt 1838 KY parents: William Dickson & unknown wed: TO JOHN BOND 7-28-1878 @ Delafield, Hamilton County (after death of Elizabeth Daily Bond) d. unknown buried: unknown ladybug@arends-sons.com

----- Original Message ----- From: ladybug To: KYBOURBO-L@ROOTSWEB.COM Cc: Hutchcraft Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: JOHN H. HUTCHCRAFT 1824 JOHN H. HUTCHCRAFT b. 12-10-1824 Bourbon County, KY parents: Reuben Lee Hutchcraft & Frances "Fannie" Hedges (her mother's name was Nellie HARRISON Apperson Hutchcraft) wed: 9-4-1856 to Mary H. Molly Jones in Bourbon County, KY d. 5-3-1889 Sherman County TX My JOHN HUTCHCRAFT b. unknown parents/siblings: unknown wed: 1-3-1849 to Mary Charlotte Crisel in Hamilton County, IL. two sons: Wm. HARRISON Hutchcraft b. 11-7-1849 Hamilton County, Il. and Charlie Hutchcraft b. abt 1851 Hamilton County, Il. divorced: by Mary Charlotte in 1855 NOW, put these two John Hutchcraft's together, chronologically born: 1824 wed: 1849 in Il. div. 1855 in Il. wed: 1856 in KY d. 1889 TX His first born son, in IL. has family name of HARRISON. Can anyone help me proove these are same person. ladybug@arends-sons.com