Steve, I would be interested in the answer to this also. My grandmother was from Beaver Creek, Hamilton Co., and my mother has always called " something " the bottoms. I wonder if it is the same . Carolyn Campbell White -----Original Message----- From: Steve Terrell [mailto:steveterrell@erols.com] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:13 PM To: ILHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILHAMILT-L] Re: ILHAMILT-D Digest V02 #109 Can anyone tell me the whereabouts of an area called "Skillet Bowl Bottom"? My grandmother referred to this as the area her Jordan grandparents came from. Presumably this is in northwestern Hamilton or southeastern Jefferson County. Not an auspicious-sounding place, at least from the name. I have heard they lived in an area so low that it flooded occasionally and they had to leave the house for awhile each time. Steve Terrell ----- Original Message ----- From: <ILHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ILHAMILT-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: ILHAMILT-D Digest V02 #109 ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net ------------------------------------------------------------ This list is sponsored by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative. Visit them at http://www.rootsweb.com/

I was told by older relatives that Blue Heaven, a building about two miles west of McL on Route 14, had been a bootlegging joint. Does anyone know if this is true, and if so, who ran the place? Was it connected to the Sheltons or Bergers? I remember when Clifford Means was murdered in the 60's north of McL that some said this was connected to the Sheltons. Does anyone else have verification of these memories? Tom James

Any info on these two ???? Thanks Descendants of John K. SUMMERS Generation No. 1 1. JOHN K.1 SUMMERS was born Unknown, and died Unknown. He married ELIZABETH COOK May 21, 1840 in HAMILTON CO, ILL., daughter of RANDOLPH COOK and MARY POTTER.

Sheila, This probably isn't on the subject of genealogy, but the KKK in the 1920s was violently anti-catholic, anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, etc. They were also generally against the bootleggers, because they wanted control of the area, just like the Klan. The Klan also paid ministers to join to help them gain some measure of respectibility. Hamilton county was not a center of Klan activity, because there wasn't and isn't much diversity in the area, but there were lots of bad things going on around Herrin and Marion, as well as Evansville, IN, which even had a Klan-supported mayor, who turned out to be a distant cousin of mine named Herbert Males. The Indiana Klan broke up when their leader was convicted of murder. In Southern IL the Klan and gangster violence finally made regular people sick of both groups. Cindy Birk Conley White County GenWeb Coordinator Hamilton Co names--Savage, McClellan, Wheeler, Nance Sheila Cadwalader wrote: > > I think the Klan was revived in the 1920s to bring law and order to the > area. The criminals (bootleggers) had taken over and the honest citizens > were in a fervor. > > The KKK in southern Illinois (at least, in Hamilton, Franklin and > Williamson Counties) were not anti-black as in the southern part of the > US. Mostly they called on their neighbors...they might call upon a man > who had been unfair in a business deal, had sold liquor to under age > children, had a house of ill repute, beat his wife etc, etc, etc. I > don't think there were any cross burnings.

Can anyone help who has access to cem. records etc.? Gibson Gaines third wife was Martha (Whitley) Anthony. Married Oct. 23, 1863 Saline Co. Gibson dead 1877, Martha and some kids living in Broughton 1880. Can't find her after that. Don't know where she is buried or when she died. Perhaps buried with first husband? Don't know who he was either. Any help with a cem. look-up etc. would certainly be appreciated. Larry Melton melton16@comast.net

I think the Klan was revived in the 1920s to bring law and order to the area. The criminals (bootleggers) had taken over and the honest citizens were in a fervor. The KKK in southern Illinois (at least, in Hamilton, Franklin and Williamson Counties) were not anti-black as in the southern part of the US. Mostly they called on their neighbors...they might call upon a man who had been unfair in a business deal, had sold liquor to under age children, had a house of ill repute, beat his wife etc, etc, etc. I don't think there were any cross burnings.

I think the Shelton brothers met Charlie Berger and Art Newman in East St Louis (the devil's den if stories are true). The two older Sheltons left Wayne County and were taxi drivers in St Louis; they both had served time in prison at this point. When Prohibition came the Sheltons ran their own operation and Charlie had his own too.....at some point they did join forces in Southern Illinois. Charlie spent some of his youth in Harrisburg and returned there to start his business....later he moved over to Williamson County, because the Saline County sheriff could not be "bought". There is a book "Butcher's Dozen" which has a chapter on the Shelton Gang. I think you can get this book from the libraries in Southern Illinois. Carl Shelton's father was a minister.... Carl even taught Sunday school. ladybug wrote: > Were Shelton & Berger gangs the same? ladybug

Betty, While this may be of little or no help there are a couple of Boyd burials in Gholson Cemetery south east of Broughton, Hamilton Co. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jgholson/names-.htm BOYD, ANDY 10-31-1880 - 3-7-1921 Stone BOYD, WILLIAM L. 2-1-1916 - 3-23-1944 ILL. PFC 47 ARMD MED BN WWII Stone James "Betty Kington" <blkington@auxware.com> wrote: I am researching the BOYD family. Does anyone know where Delelia BOYD went or died. She in many records was known a Widow Boyd. She was in the 1850 Census of Hamilton Co. Il. Where did she go or when did she die ? I just cant find anything on the BOYD families. Noah and Dicy (WEBB) BOYD lived in Macedonia, Hamilton Co. Il. Would be thankful for any information. Thank You Betty Lou Kington in Peoria, Illinois

Hi all, There is also a new book on the Sheltons, available at http://www.springhousemagazine.com/books.htm . A real good source for this kind of info is the Springhouse magazine at http://www.springhousemagazine.com/ and http://www.springhousemagazine.com/books.htm I didn't think the KKK kept many records since secretcy was a principal of their organization. Cindy Sheila Cadwalader wrote: > > The Jail Museum in Benton has a great new book on Charlie Berger and his gang. > > ladybug wrote: > > > Seeing the question re: KKK reminds me, we always understood a HUTCHCRAFT had ridden > > w/the SHELTON GANG. Can anyone confirm this? ladybug > >

The Jail Museum in Benton has a great new book on Charlie Berger and his gang. ladybug wrote: > Seeing the question re: KKK reminds me, we always understood a HUTCHCRAFT had ridden > w/the SHELTON GANG. Can anyone confirm this? ladybug > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit the Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy USGenWeb site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhamilt/

Funniest thing ! I have a letter from Southern Illinois Normal University (Carbondale) dated June of 1946. The letter is written to my grandfather, Judge Sid Ward of Benton, Illinois. In effect it says "We have recently received from Judge Layman (Franklin County History buff) a scrapbook that was kept by your grandmother, the late, Mrs. Lavicia Espy. We were extremely glad to receive this scrapbook. It is a material addition to our collection concerning the "Willimason Vendetta" and the Ku Klux Klan." I tried to locate the scrapbook when I was in Carbondale.....no luck, my visit was short, and it was summer time with few students and employees on campus. Sheila roberta zink wrote: > Have just learned that our grandfather may have been a member of the KKK in Hamilton County in the 1920's. Does anyone know if there are any records of membership or records of any kind of the organization during that time? Thank you in advance for any help on this. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access > > ==== ILHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Listowner, Michael L. Hebert mailto:mhebert.usgw@charter.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit the Hamilton County, Illinois Genealogy USGenWeb site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhamilt/

Seeing the question re: KKK reminds me, we always understood a HUTCHCRAFT had ridden w/the SHELTON GANG. Can anyone confirm this? ladybug

Have just learned that our grandfather may have been a member of the KKK in Hamilton County in the 1920's. Does anyone know if there are any records of membership or records of any kind of the organization during that time? Thank you in advance for any help on this. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access

Burials in Silverton Cemetery, Silverton, Marion County, Oregon. Clyde K. Maulding-b.1-26-1885 d.1931-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. & Martha A. Johnson Chester W. Maulding-b.1907 d.1948-son of John Harvey Maulding & Sarah Baller Edna Violet Maulding-b.6-13-1887 d.7-2-1887-daughter of John White Maulding & Mary Elizabeth Hicks John White Maulding-b7-29-1845 d.2-27-1929-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding & Elizabeth Easley Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr.-b.3-1839 d.1932-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Sr. & Elizabeth Easley Martha A. Johnson Maulding-b.1850 d.1917-wife of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. Mary Elizabeth Hicks Maulding-b.May 1847 d.1927-wife of John White Maulding John Harvey Maulding-b.10-12-1879 d.10-1965-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. & Martha Johnson Maulding Mary Geneva Maulding-b.10-8-1884 d.1905-daughter of John White Maulding & Mary Elizabeth Hicks Raymond A. Maulding-b.8-13-1897 d.2-1967-son of Charles A. Maulding & Elizabth Maulding (first cousin marriage) Sarah Baller Maulding-b.1887 d. 1971-wife of John Harvey Maulding Do you know who these are? Maulding, Infant Son-b.2-22-1869 d.3-8-1869 Maulding, C. A.-b.1861 d.1933 Maulding, Darrin D.-b.7-7-1972 d.12-17-1989 If you have reason to believe that any of this information is incorrect please let me know. Phyllis Maulding Campbell

Burial in Silverton Cemetery Silverton, Marion County, Oregon. Maulding, Infant Son-b.2-22-1869 d.3-8-1869 is son of John White Maulding and Mary Elizabeth Hicks Maulding. Phyllis Maulding Campbell

Burials in Silverton Cemetery, Silverton, Marion County, Oregon. Clyde K. Maulding-b.1-26-1885 d.1931-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. & Martha A. Johnson Chester W. Maulding-b.1907 d.1948-son of John Harvey Maulding & Sarah Baller Edna Violet Maulding-b.6-13-1887 d.7-2-1887-daughter of John White Maulding & Mary Elizabeth Hicks John White Maulding-b7-29-1845 d.2-27-1929-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding & Elizabeth Easley Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr.-b.3-1839 d.1932-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Sr. & Elizabeth Easley Martha A. Johnson Maulding-b.1850 d.1917-wife of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. Mary Elizabeth Hicks Maulding-b.May 1847 d.1927-wife of John White Maulding John Harvey Maulding-b.10-12-1879 d.10-1965-son of Keeling Tyler Maulding Jr. & Martha Johnson Maulding Mary Geneva Maulding-b.10-8-1884 d.1905-daughter of John White Maulding & Mary Elizabeth Hicks Raymond A. Maulding-b.8-13-1897 d.2-1967-son of Charles A. Maulding & Elizabth Maulding (first cousin marriage) Sarah Baller Maulding-b.1887 d. 1971-wife of John Harvey Maulding Do you know who these are? Maulding, Infant Son-b.2-22-1869 d.3-8-1869 Maulding, C. A.-b.1861 d.1933 Maulding, Darrin D.-b.7-7-1972 d.12-17-1989 If you have reason to believe that any of this information is incorrect please let me know. Phyllis Maulding Campbell

I am researching the BOYD family. Does anyone know where Delelia BOYD went or died. She in many records was known a Widow Boyd. She was in the 1850 Census of Hamilton Co. Il. Where did she go or when did she die ? I just cant find anything on the BOYD families. Noah and Dicy (WEBB) BOYD lived in Macedonia, Hamilton Co. Il. Would be thankful for any information. Thank You Betty Lou Kington in Peoria, Illinois

Does anyone have any information on the Family of John K. SUMMERS and Elizabeth COOK-SUMMERS m. May 21 1840 Hamilton, Co. .. ??? SW

1.. The basic Numident Query Response printout contains the following information: 2.. 1.. ROUTING AND CONTROL DATA: MSG: A SSADARS message reference number. DTE: Date the message is being transmitted. NUMI: Indicates message refers to a Numident query case. SSN: Social Security number contained in input request. XC: Multiple SSN and/or correspondence indicator (X=Multiple SSN; C=correspondence; B=Both, optional). ID: Requester"s identification information (optional). UN: Requester"s unit number (optional). PG: Page number indicator for each response. A plus (+) sign after the page indicates that record continues on subsequent pages. 3.. ACCOUNT: SSN: Social Security Number. ETC: Entry Code - Type of record established. (O=Original SSN; 2=Duplicate SSN; L=Life Claim; D=Death Claim; G=Generated Record; Q=Correspondence. If any other entry appears, see RM 00205.020.E.3. for explanation.) RFN: An 11-digit record control number. ETS: Entry Subcode - indicates that data were obtained from one of these four files: X=Multiple SSN File; M=MBR; E=MEF; J=Emergency SSN Issuance DOC: District Office Code. IDN: Evidence (ID) Code. 4.. NAME: NAA: Name on line 1 of Numident record. NL2: Name on last previously issued SSN card, name at birth or other name used, prioritized in that order. NL3: Same as NL2 above, a continuation of the priority order. NAL: Line 1 last name (correspondence records only). 5.. BIRTH: DOB: Date of birth. PDB: Prior date of birth. PLB: Place of birth. (City and State or foreign country.) FCI: Foreign country indicator (Will be displayed as an asterisk.) SEX: M, F or U are the possible entries. ETB: Race/Ethnic information. (0 = Unknown; 1= White; 2 = Negro or Black; 3 = Other; 4 = Asian; 5 = Hispanic; 6 = Northern American Indian or Alaskan Native.) CSP: Citizenship Code. (A=U.S. Citizen; B=Alien allowed to work; C=Alien not allowed to work; D=Other: Alien not fitting category B. or C.) 6.. PARENT: MNA: Mother"s name at birth. FNA: Father"s name. 7.. INTERNAL: CLD: Claim date. (Shown only if individual was in claim status prior to 1972.) DOA: DO address. (Address of field office that processed the claims request.) DFI: Disability Freeze Indicator - Indicates Pre-1973 disability status. (1=Disability established; 2=Disability denied; 3=Disability terminated.) DOD: Date of Death. (Date of death of claimant prior to 1972.) DOO: Date of Onset. (Date disability was established prior to 1973.) DSY: Destruction year. (Year correspondence will be destroyed.) FWI: FICA waiver indicator. (Indicates type of form used by individuals to request waiver of participation in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act (FICA): B=form 2031; C=form 4029; H=form 4361.) RTI: Retention indicator. (P=correspondence will be permanently filed.) CYD: Cycle date. (The date the SSN record was established or corrected.) 8.. In cases where Numident contains death data that were added to an SSN record beginning in 1988 a separate death record will have been created for the SSN. Therefore, a date of death may appear twice on a Numident Query Response. (See D.6). 9.. Death data was obtained from State and local governments (Death Control Records), other various sources and from the Volume Death Master (VDMASTER) file SSA currently houses. 10.. Display of Death Data Numident Response

Claire, Sorry, to hear of your husband's illness. Perhaps if you move into a retirement center you will meet new friends who are also interested in genealogy, or if not you can teach them about all the fun they are missing. Do hope you will be able to keep your computer. The nice thing about donating your books to a genealogical library is the satisfaction of knowing, they will be well used and you will know where they are if you need to refer to one of them. Best to you and your husband and God Bless. Darlene Shawn