Dear Mr. Webb and Mr. Murray, I have been very interested in the Primitive Baptist Church, the Reformation movement, and how some of my ancestors (Emmons and Caudles) that I find in my geneological searches might have been members, Elders, and/or involved. Some of the Caudles came from North Carolina through Tennessee to Macoupin Co. Illinois then Wayne co. Illinois and some back to Macoupin... There was a Joshua Caudle who was b. about 1770 in Chatham N.C. Joshua moved to Maury/Marshall Co. Tenn and was deacon of the Shiloh (Rock Creek) Baptist Church. One of Joshua's daughters Martha mrried a William Turner and they were married by a Sion Record. Sion Record also was gave a statement in support of the war pension for Martha Caudle Turner after her husband died. One of Joshua Caudle's grandsons was named Sion Record Caudle. I am wondering if John Record is of the same family as Sion Record. My premise is that several families who were Baptist to the core came from NC together to Maurey Co. Tenn. and then to Illinois. Some of the family members got caught up in the Reformation movement and joined church of Christ and even one joined the Latter day Saints. ...Joshua Caudle bought land in Macoupin Co. Illinois in 1834-36. and not too long after had land in Wayne Co., Illinois. I believe one of his grandson Isaac Caudle was a preacher in a primitive baptist church somewhere around Scottville, Illinois which is in Macoupin or Greene counties. None of this may make sense to you..my question in a nut shell is....was Elder Record mentioned below...part of the Record family that was in Maurey Co. Tenn and active in the Shiloh Church?? Betty Richardson At 08:48 PM 1/2/2001 -0500, C. Edwin Murray wrote: >Dear Mr. Webb > >If you should find any records for Union Primitive Baptist Church, I >would be interested in getting copies. I am the great-grandson of Elder >Allen W. Murray. (See below). > >Thanks, > >Ed Murray >8724 Teasdale Ave. >St. Louis, Missouri 63124 >[email protected] > >Article: Newspaper Obituary > >The Primitive Baptist Library >416 Main Street >Carthage, IL 62321 > >The Messenger of Peace >October 1, 1914 >Pages 436-437 > >ELDER A. W. MURRAY > > Elder Allen Wakefield Murray was born in Monroe Co., Ill. , Mch. 4, >1821, and departed this life Sept. 6, 1914, at 12:40 a.m. at the home of >his son, Elder G. W. Murray, in Winchester, Ill, with whom he had lived >for the past nine years. He united with the Primitive Baptist church >called Union in Barrow, Ill., seventy-two years ago and was baptized by >the late Elder John Record, and remained a faithful member until his >death. He had been a minister of the gospel sixty-two years, and had >preached extensively in Illinois, Iowa and Missouri, and some in >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana and Arkansas. He had spent almost his entire >life in Illinois, except a brief residence in De Kalb and Linn Cos., Mo. >It is a comfort to us to say that we believe he died in the triumph of >the faith he embraced so long ago. He was am earnest believer in the >doctrine of salvation by grace, the perseverance of the saints, the >resurrection of their bodies and their final glorification with Christ >their Savior. > Elder Murray was 93 years, 6 months, and 2 days old at the time > of his >death. The last discourse he preached was at his home church from the >text John v. 39 - "Search the scriptures," etc. The funeral services >were held at the home of his son in Winchester, Sept. 7th, conducted by >Elders H. S. Peak and Giles Reeder, in the presence of a large >congregation. Six of the brethren of his home church carried him to his >burial, making great lamentation over him. Interment in the Taylor >cemetery, five miles west of Winchester. >(written by) G. W. Murray > >The "Primitive Baptist" and "Primitive Monitor" please copy. > > >(Based on the information given above, Allen Wakefield Murray became a >member of Union Primitive Baptist Church in Barrow, Illinois in 1842, >and began to preach at the church in 1852. Taylor Cemetery is in Section >3, Township 14, Range 13 in Scott County, Illinois. It is on private >property at this time. At this time, no record of him being in Iowa, >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana has been found.) > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, >list administrator with questions concerning this list! >mailto:[email protected]