Betty, I would have to go back into the film of Apple Creek Association of Illinois, as Shiloah Church was a charter member of that body in 1830. Probably Elder John Record was a member of Shiloah between 1830-1838 sometime. I also show he was a member of the Concord Church southeast of Palmyra, in 1836. In 1838 he was a member of Rock Spring Church, Macoupin Co. Sometime in 1839 he and his wife Lucy W. Record joined the Liberty church near Curran in Sangamon Co. In 1841 he was a member of Union Church at Barrow, in Greene Co. (where our friend Ed Murray's ancestor Elder Allen W. Murray was also a member). My history of Friendship Church in Winchester (Scott Co.) indicates he served as pastor there from 1846 till 1858, but I don't have the records to be able to verify that. He is a little hard to keep track of, isn't he? Also, I just noticed something else that will interest you. In the Concord Association minutes of 1841 Isham Caudle is listed as a messenger from Shiloah Church. In 1842 Isham Caudle was a messenger from Union Church (in or near Barrow), and J. Caudle (Joshua?) was a messenger from Shiloah Church, which BTW had 47 members, and Union had 92 members that year. In 1843 and 1844 Isham Caudle is listed as a messenger from Shiloah Church again, but that is the last reference to the Caudle name that I noticed. In 1847 Elder John Record was a messenger from Union Church, but I don't see him again in 1848 or any other year I check up through 1858. He may have moved his membership to Friendship at Winchester. The first time I ever tried to preach, was at Friendship Church. Their wonderful pastor (J. Bryan Adair) had just died suddenly, and they asked me to come and hold a service. That was in April 1976. I will never forget that. Sorry for the errors in what I wrote before. Robert Webb On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:08:35 -0600 Betty Richardson <[email protected]> writes: > I don't know when Elder John Record died...I may have some clues or > actual > date when Sion Record died...but right now...not sure if I do or > not... > I really enjoyed reading the information below...betty > At 11:13 AM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Betty, > > Before you leave, let me ask you a quick question - do you > know when > >Elder John Record died? I haven't found it yet, myself. I believe > it is > >probable that the Shiloh Church had a log church by 1841 (it had to > exist > >by 1838 or earlier) in Macoupin Co., as it hosted the Concord > Association > >that year. Although, I admit, the meetings could have been in a > grove, > >at a members' hme, or other shelter of some kind, rather than in a > log > >building. > > I may have more on Elder Sion Record or John Record in > Tennessee in > >minutes of the Concord Association of Tennessee (could this be that > they > >used all the names from where they came from in Tennessee when they > >started churches and associations in Illinois) hmmm. The Concord > >Association of Tennessee was organized in 1810, if I remember > right, by > >churches dismissed from the Cumberland Association, which was > organized > >in like 1800, and included churches around the Nashville area. > Maury > >county is south or southwest of Nashville, and the Cumberland > Association > >still meets and has churches in that area. > > Robert > >________________________________________________________________ > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > >Search this list's archived messages! > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:[email protected] > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thank-you for all this information. Please keep your eyes open for the Emmons name also...I feel certain they were members of some of these churches. I will reread everything when I get back and see what information I have or can find from relatives. betty At 03:11 PM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Betty, > I would have to go back into the film of Apple Creek Association of >Illinois, as Shiloah Church was a charter member of that body in 1830. >Probably Elder John Record was a member of Shiloah between 1830-1838 >sometime. I also show he was a member of the Concord Church southeast of >Palmyra, in 1836. In 1838 he was a member of Rock Spring Church, >Macoupin Co. Sometime in 1839 he and his wife Lucy W. Record joined the >Liberty church near Curran in Sangamon Co. In 1841 he was a member of >Union Church at Barrow, in Greene Co. (where our friend Ed Murray's >ancestor Elder Allen W. Murray was also a member). My history of >Friendship Church in Winchester (Scott Co.) indicates he served as pastor >there from 1846 till 1858, but I don't have the records to be able to >verify that. He is a little hard to keep track of, isn't he? > Also, I just noticed something else that will interest you. In the >Concord Association minutes of 1841 Isham Caudle is listed as a messenger >from Shiloah Church. In 1842 Isham Caudle was a messenger from Union >Church (in or near Barrow), and J. Caudle (Joshua?) was a messenger from >Shiloah Church, which BTW had 47 members, and Union had 92 members that >year. In 1843 and 1844 Isham Caudle is listed as a messenger from >Shiloah Church again, but that is the last reference to the Caudle name >that I noticed. In 1847 Elder John Record was a messenger from Union >Church, but I don't see him again in 1848 or any other year I check up >through 1858. He may have moved his membership to Friendship at >Winchester. > The first time I ever tried to preach, was at Friendship Church. >Their wonderful pastor (J. Bryan Adair) had just died suddenly, and they >asked me to come and hold a service. That was in April 1976. I will >never forget that. > Sorry for the errors in what I wrote before. > Robert Webb > > >On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:08:35 -0600 Betty Richardson <[email protected]> >writes: > > I don't know when Elder John Record died...I may have some clues or > > actual > > date when Sion Record died...but right now...not sure if I do or > > not... > > I really enjoyed reading the information below...betty > > At 11:13 AM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >Betty, > > > Before you leave, let me ask you a quick question - do you > > know when > > >Elder John Record died? I haven't found it yet, myself. I believe > > it is > > >probable that the Shiloh Church had a log church by 1841 (it had to > > exist > > >by 1838 or earlier) in Macoupin Co., as it hosted the Concord > > Association > > >that year. Although, I admit, the meetings could have been in a > > grove, > > >at a members' hme, or other shelter of some kind, rather than in a > > log > > >building. > > > I may have more on Elder Sion Record or John Record in > > Tennessee in > > >minutes of the Concord Association of Tennessee (could this be that > > they > > >used all the names from where they came from in Tennessee when they > > >started churches and associations in Illinois) hmmm. The Concord > > >Association of Tennessee was organized in 1810, if I remember > > right, by > > >churches dismissed from the Cumberland Association, which was > > organized > > >in like 1800, and included churches around the Nashville area. > > Maury > > >county is south or southwest of Nashville, and the Cumberland > > Association > > >still meets and has churches in that area. > > > Robert > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > > >Search this list's archived messages! > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, > > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > > mailto:[email protected] > > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >Visit the Greene County USGenWeb Homepage! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgreene/green.htm

Robert, Betty, and others, I have been following the discussion of the Primitive Baptist Church and Elders John Record and Elder Caudle with interest. I'm not sure how this may fit, but my ancestor, b. 1819 in TN and settled just SW of Scottville was named John Record Arnold. Also, his dau. Avia Arnold was married in 1870 to Noah Edwards in Macoupin Co. by "J.C. Caudle, Minister of the Gospel"; his son William Arnold was married in 1866 by Elder J. C. Caudle, at the Elders' home. Juli Claussen