Betty, I have one person named Emmons listed in my database, a woman, and the church was in Lawrence County, Illinois. I am disappointed that no one knows the Gene Lemons near Roodhouse; I was hoping someone might be able to help me inquire about the Union church records. As you can see, they would have the Caudle name, and many others (several hundred members). It is a shame if they are lost. If anyone knows their whereabouts, I hope they will come forward. I believe the minutes of Concord Association which I have, show that Shiloah Church in Macoupin Co., did already have a meeting house (it probably was a log bldg) by 1841 when they hosted the meeting. The brick church at the edge of Winchester was built in 1856, which would put it (I think) within the time frame that John Record was pastor. I think it is possible (but am not sure) that Isham Caudle was ordained as a minister after he returned to Wayne Co., rather than while he was in the Macoupin/Green Co. area. Another Turner (Aaron) is listed as a member of Rock Springs Church in Macoupin Co., which is probably the same Turner family you mentioned having close connections in Tennessee, but I do not know myself. I may have gone overboard telling about John Record, but I have started a file on many of these early pioneer ministers, and now have one for him. In addition to what I have mentioned, I will say that I did find a Circular Letter he wrote was published in the Association minutes one year at least. I hope some of this will help you make family connections. Feel free to share all of this with Avie, who has also expressed an interest in his Caudle family tree. Have a good trip, Robert On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 03:11:01 -0600 Betty Richardson <[email protected]> writes: > Dear Mr. Webb and Mr. Murray, > I have been very interested in the Primitive Baptist Church, the > Reformation movement, and how some of my ancestors (Emmons and > Caudles) that I find in my geneological searches might have been > members, > Elders, and/or involved. Some of the Caudles came from North > Carolina > through Tennessee to Macoupin Co. Illinois then Wayne co. Illinois > and some > back to Macoupin... > There was a Joshua Caudle who was b. about 1770 in Chatham N.C. > Joshua > moved to Maury/Marshall Co. Tenn and was deacon of the Shiloh (Rock > Creek) > Baptist Church. > One of Joshua's daughters Martha mrried a William Turner and they > were > married by a Sion Record. Sion Record also was gave a statement in > support > of the war pension for Martha Caudle Turner after her husband died. > One of > Joshua Caudle's grandsons was named Sion Record Caudle. > > I am wondering if John Record is of the same family as Sion Record. > My > premise is that several families who were Baptist to the core came > from NC > together to Maurey Co. Tenn. and then to Illinois. Some of the > family > members got caught up in the Reformation movement and joined church > of > Christ and even one joined the Latter day Saints. > > ...Joshua Caudle bought land in Macoupin Co. Illinois in 1834-36. > and not > too long after had land in Wayne Co., Illinois. I believe one of his > > grandson Isaac Caudle was a preacher in a primitive baptist church > somewhere around Scottville, Illinois which is in Macoupin or Greene > counties. > > None of this may make sense to you..my question in a nut shell > is....was > Elder Record mentioned below...part of the Record family that was in > Maurey > Co. Tenn and active in the Shiloh Church?? > Betty Richardson > At 08:48 PM 1/2/2001 -0500, C. Edwin Murray wrote: > >Dear Mr. Webb > > > >If you should find any records for Union Primitive Baptist Church, > I > >would be interested in getting copies. I am the great-grandson of > Elder > >Allen W. Murray. (See below). > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ed Murray > >8724 Teasdale Ave. > >St. Louis, Missouri 63124 > >[email protected] > > > >Article: Newspaper Obituary > > > >The Primitive Baptist Library > >416 Main Street > >Carthage, IL 62321 > > > >The Messenger of Peace > >October 1, 1914 > >Pages 436-437 > > > >ELDER A. W. MURRAY > > > > Elder Allen Wakefield Murray was born in Monroe Co., Ill. > , Mch. 4, > >1821, and departed this life Sept. 6, 1914, at 12:40 a.m. at the > home of > >his son, Elder G. W. Murray, in Winchester, Ill, with whom he had > lived > >for the past nine years. He united with the Primitive Baptist > church > >called Union in Barrow, Ill., seventy-two years ago and was > baptized by > >the late Elder John Record, and remained a faithful member until > his > >death. He had been a minister of the gospel sixty-two years, and > had > >preached extensively in Illinois, Iowa and Missouri, and some in > >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana and Arkansas. He had spent almost his > entire > >life in Illinois, except a brief residence in De Kalb and Linn > Cos., Mo. > >It is a comfort to us to say that we believe he died in the triumph > of > >the faith he embraced so long ago. He was am earnest believer in > the > >doctrine of salvation by grace, the perseverance of the saints, the > >resurrection of their bodies and their final glorification with > Christ > >their Savior. > > Elder Murray was 93 years, 6 months, and 2 days old at the > time > > of his > >death. The last discourse he preached was at his home church from > the > >text John v. 39 - "Search the scriptures," etc. The funeral > services > >were held at the home of his son in Winchester, Sept. 7th, > conducted by > >Elders H. S. Peak and Giles Reeder, in the presence of a large > >congregation. Six of the brethren of his home church carried him to > his > >burial, making great lamentation over him. Interment in the Taylor > >cemetery, five miles west of Winchester. > >(written by) G. W. Murray > > > >The "Primitive Baptist" and "Primitive Monitor" please copy. > > > > > >(Based on the information given above, Allen Wakefield Murray > became a > >member of Union Primitive Baptist Church in Barrow, Illinois in > 1842, > >and began to preach at the church in 1852. Taylor Cemetery is in > Section > >3, Township 14, Range 13 in Scott County, Illinois. It is on > private > >property at this time. At this time, no record of him being in > Iowa, > >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana has been found.) > > > > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, > >list administrator with questions concerning this list! > >mailto:[email protected] > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks go to RootsWeb. Your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. 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