I don't know when Elder John Record died...I may have some clues or actual date when Sion Record died...but right now...not sure if I do or not... I really enjoyed reading the information below...betty At 11:13 AM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Betty, > Before you leave, let me ask you a quick question - do you know when >Elder John Record died? I haven't found it yet, myself. I believe it is >probable that the Shiloh Church had a log church by 1841 (it had to exist >by 1838 or earlier) in Macoupin Co., as it hosted the Concord Association >that year. Although, I admit, the meetings could have been in a grove, >at a members' hme, or other shelter of some kind, rather than in a log >building. > I may have more on Elder Sion Record or John Record in Tennessee in >minutes of the Concord Association of Tennessee (could this be that they >used all the names from where they came from in Tennessee when they >started churches and associations in Illinois) hmmm. The Concord >Association of Tennessee was organized in 1810, if I remember right, by >churches dismissed from the Cumberland Association, which was organized >in like 1800, and included churches around the Nashville area. Maury >county is south or southwest of Nashville, and the Cumberland Association >still meets and has churches in that area. > Robert >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Betty, Before you leave, let me ask you a quick question - do you know when Elder John Record died? I haven't found it yet, myself. I believe it is probable that the Shiloh Church had a log church by 1841 (it had to exist by 1838 or earlier) in Macoupin Co., as it hosted the Concord Association that year. Although, I admit, the meetings could have been in a grove, at a members' hme, or other shelter of some kind, rather than in a log building. I may have more on Elder Sion Record or John Record in Tennessee in minutes of the Concord Association of Tennessee (could this be that they used all the names from where they came from in Tennessee when they started churches and associations in Illinois) hmmm. The Concord Association of Tennessee was organized in 1810, if I remember right, by churches dismissed from the Cumberland Association, which was organized in like 1800, and included churches around the Nashville area. Maury county is south or southwest of Nashville, and the Cumberland Association still meets and has churches in that area. Robert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Robert, this is wonderful information. It is quite interesting. I will check with Caudle family who are still in Tennessee and doing geneology...the ones who did not come to Illinois. They can get us some information on the Rock Creek (shiloh) Baptist Church in Maurey Co...Maurey was Marshall Co. at times...I can't keep that all straight...so have to rely on written work...I am off on a trip for two weeks...so it may be awhile...sorry...betty At 09:36 AM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Betty, > I am doing some checking on Elder John Record but it may take a >little time before I can give you an answer. I've been checking some >others who came from that area also. Can you tell me anything more about >the Rock Creek (Shiloh) Baptist Church in Maury Co., Tennessee? I do >know that John Record and Joshua Caudle were in Shiloh (Shiloah) Church >in Macoupin Co., but am not sure of its exact location. I do have the >names of some of its early members, so maybe that would help determine >the location. It was one of the churches which organized the Concord >Association. Elder Record was also a member of Concord Church, south of >Palmyra, in Macoupin Co., from 1836 until 1839 when he joined a church >called Liberty in Sangamon Co., and after this he was a member of a >church called Rockspring in Macoupin Co., and Shiloh, but I'm not sure >what order these movements occurred in. I also think he was still later >a member of the Friendship Church which still exists at the west edge of >Winchester, in Scott Co., Ill., as I have a record of him as pastor >there, and his daughters being baptized there. I think he also preached >at Plum Creek Church near Bluffs, in Scott Co. > I also have a record that he helped ordain Elder Daniel Parker, in >May 1806, in the Nashville, Tennessee, area, along with Garner McConnico >and John Turner, at Turnbull Church (this church still exists, I think it >is in Dickson Co.) > More later, > Robert > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, >list administrator with questions concerning this list! >mailto:[email protected]

I will try to send you some information....but it may be two weeks...I suspect your widow moved either because of church or relatives and I suspect relatives....Lets see...there was an 1855 census wasn't there....You might find her neighboring a relative...I will send you what I have from various books that indicate some families that moved together....as i said it may be two weeks as i am leaving tomorrow on a trip..bettty At 09:30 AM 1/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Ms. Richardson: >In reading your response about the Primitive Baptist Church, I was struck >with the connection between Maury County, TN and Macoupin County, IL. > >I have been researching Wilson Whitworth and wife Margaret Edging Whitworth >who married in Madison County, IL 1838--both from TN. An Edging/Edgin family >and Whitworth families are found in early Maury County, TN, so I've searched >for a connection in that county. > >The couple was censused in Madison County, IL in 1840 with one son. Wilson >died in March 1850, and the 1850 census later in June, shows widow Margaret >and 5 children. Margaret Edging Whitworth moved to the Carlinville area of >Macoupin County sometime after that, where she died in January 1857. >Macoupin County Court records indicate her 5 children were placed in various >Carlinville homes, where we can find them in 1860 census. There is no record >of her burial site. > >I have been unable to learn what brought Margaret and her family to >Carlinville after her husband's death. Do you have information on the >surnames of families that were part of this religious group? It is the first >time I have seen a connection between these two counties and may have some >bearing on Margaret's move to Macoupin County. Margaret died intestate and >her estate was negligible. > >Jan Miller > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >Visit the Greene County USGenWeb Homepage! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgreene/green.htm

Yes, I was there in Oct...trying to find the Land's Cemetery once more...I was there in 1960 and wrote down some stone information and i wanted to see what happened in terms of stone maintenence in the meantime...my cousin from Jacksonville (Morgan co.) Illinois and I went all over Palmyra and Scottville area one sunday...oct 14 looking for the cemetery and could not find it...we went thru Scottville several times...as well as Palmyra and we asked a lot of people and no one was aware of the exact location..and only one had ever heard of the cemetery. Some people we asked even called relatives on the phone to see if they knew where it was...I only had one day to look..so unfortunately i did not locate the cemetery for a return visit. One of my ancestors was a lady whose first husband was a Land of this Cemetery. My other ancestors buried there are Emmons and Caudle.I do appreciate you responding....betty At 08:25 AM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >FYI > >Scottville is in northwestern Macoupin County, just a couple of miles from the >Greene and Morgan county lines. > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, >list administrator with questions concerning this list! >mailto:[email protected]

Dear Betty, I am doing some checking on Elder John Record but it may take a little time before I can give you an answer. I've been checking some others who came from that area also. Can you tell me anything more about the Rock Creek (Shiloh) Baptist Church in Maury Co., Tennessee? I do know that John Record and Joshua Caudle were in Shiloh (Shiloah) Church in Macoupin Co., but am not sure of its exact location. I do have the names of some of its early members, so maybe that would help determine the location. It was one of the churches which organized the Concord Association. Elder Record was also a member of Concord Church, south of Palmyra, in Macoupin Co., from 1836 until 1839 when he joined a church called Liberty in Sangamon Co., and after this he was a member of a church called Rockspring in Macoupin Co., and Shiloh, but I'm not sure what order these movements occurred in. I also think he was still later a member of the Friendship Church which still exists at the west edge of Winchester, in Scott Co., Ill., as I have a record of him as pastor there, and his daughters being baptized there. I think he also preached at Plum Creek Church near Bluffs, in Scott Co. I also have a record that he helped ordain Elder Daniel Parker, in May 1806, in the Nashville, Tennessee, area, along with Garner McConnico and John Turner, at Turnbull Church (this church still exists, I think it is in Dickson Co.) More later, Robert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear Ms. Richardson: In reading your response about the Primitive Baptist Church, I was struck with the connection between Maury County, TN and Macoupin County, IL. I have been researching Wilson Whitworth and wife Margaret Edging Whitworth who married in Madison County, IL 1838--both from TN. An Edging/Edgin family and Whitworth families are found in early Maury County, TN, so I've searched for a connection in that county. The couple was censused in Madison County, IL in 1840 with one son. Wilson died in March 1850, and the 1850 census later in June, shows widow Margaret and 5 children. Margaret Edging Whitworth moved to the Carlinville area of Macoupin County sometime after that, where she died in January 1857. Macoupin County Court records indicate her 5 children were placed in various Carlinville homes, where we can find them in 1860 census. There is no record of her burial site. I have been unable to learn what brought Margaret and her family to Carlinville after her husband's death. Do you have information on the surnames of families that were part of this religious group? It is the first time I have seen a connection between these two counties and may have some bearing on Margaret's move to Macoupin County. Margaret died intestate and her estate was negligible. Jan Miller

FYI Scottville is in northwestern Macoupin County, just a couple of miles from the Greene and Morgan county lines.

Does anyone on the Greene county list know, or know of, Mr. and/or Mrs. Gene Lemons, of Roodhouse? If so, would you write to me privately? thanks, Robert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear Mr. Webb and Mr. Murray, I have been very interested in the Primitive Baptist Church, the Reformation movement, and how some of my ancestors (Emmons and Caudles) that I find in my geneological searches might have been members, Elders, and/or involved. Some of the Caudles came from North Carolina through Tennessee to Macoupin Co. Illinois then Wayne co. Illinois and some back to Macoupin... There was a Joshua Caudle who was b. about 1770 in Chatham N.C. Joshua moved to Maury/Marshall Co. Tenn and was deacon of the Shiloh (Rock Creek) Baptist Church. One of Joshua's daughters Martha mrried a William Turner and they were married by a Sion Record. Sion Record also was gave a statement in support of the war pension for Martha Caudle Turner after her husband died. One of Joshua Caudle's grandsons was named Sion Record Caudle. I am wondering if John Record is of the same family as Sion Record. My premise is that several families who were Baptist to the core came from NC together to Maurey Co. Tenn. and then to Illinois. Some of the family members got caught up in the Reformation movement and joined church of Christ and even one joined the Latter day Saints. ...Joshua Caudle bought land in Macoupin Co. Illinois in 1834-36. and not too long after had land in Wayne Co., Illinois. I believe one of his grandson Isaac Caudle was a preacher in a primitive baptist church somewhere around Scottville, Illinois which is in Macoupin or Greene counties. None of this may make sense to you..my question in a nut shell is....was Elder Record mentioned below...part of the Record family that was in Maurey Co. Tenn and active in the Shiloh Church?? Betty Richardson At 08:48 PM 1/2/2001 -0500, C. Edwin Murray wrote: >Dear Mr. Webb > >If you should find any records for Union Primitive Baptist Church, I >would be interested in getting copies. I am the great-grandson of Elder >Allen W. Murray. (See below). > >Thanks, > >Ed Murray >8724 Teasdale Ave. >St. Louis, Missouri 63124 >[email protected] > >Article: Newspaper Obituary > >The Primitive Baptist Library >416 Main Street >Carthage, IL 62321 > >The Messenger of Peace >October 1, 1914 >Pages 436-437 > >ELDER A. W. MURRAY > > Elder Allen Wakefield Murray was born in Monroe Co., Ill. , Mch. 4, >1821, and departed this life Sept. 6, 1914, at 12:40 a.m. at the home of >his son, Elder G. W. Murray, in Winchester, Ill, with whom he had lived >for the past nine years. He united with the Primitive Baptist church >called Union in Barrow, Ill., seventy-two years ago and was baptized by >the late Elder John Record, and remained a faithful member until his >death. He had been a minister of the gospel sixty-two years, and had >preached extensively in Illinois, Iowa and Missouri, and some in >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana and Arkansas. He had spent almost his entire >life in Illinois, except a brief residence in De Kalb and Linn Cos., Mo. >It is a comfort to us to say that we believe he died in the triumph of >the faith he embraced so long ago. He was am earnest believer in the >doctrine of salvation by grace, the perseverance of the saints, the >resurrection of their bodies and their final glorification with Christ >their Savior. > Elder Murray was 93 years, 6 months, and 2 days old at the time > of his >death. The last discourse he preached was at his home church from the >text John v. 39 - "Search the scriptures," etc. The funeral services >were held at the home of his son in Winchester, Sept. 7th, conducted by >Elders H. S. Peak and Giles Reeder, in the presence of a large >congregation. Six of the brethren of his home church carried him to his >burial, making great lamentation over him. Interment in the Taylor >cemetery, five miles west of Winchester. >(written by) G. W. Murray > >The "Primitive Baptist" and "Primitive Monitor" please copy. > > >(Based on the information given above, Allen Wakefield Murray became a >member of Union Primitive Baptist Church in Barrow, Illinois in 1842, >and began to preach at the church in 1852. Taylor Cemetery is in Section >3, Township 14, Range 13 in Scott County, Illinois. It is on private >property at this time. At this time, no record of him being in Iowa, >Nebraska, Kansas, Montana has been found.) > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, >list administrator with questions concerning this list! >mailto:[email protected]

Dear Mr. Webb If you should find any records for Union Primitive Baptist Church, I would be interested in getting copies. I am the great-grandson of Elder Allen W. Murray. (See below). Thanks, Ed Murray 8724 Teasdale Ave. St. Louis, Missouri 63124 [email protected] Article: Newspaper Obituary The Primitive Baptist Library 416 Main Street Carthage, IL 62321 The Messenger of Peace October 1, 1914 Pages 436-437 ELDER A. W. MURRAY Elder Allen Wakefield Murray was born in Monroe Co., Ill. , Mch. 4, 1821, and departed this life Sept. 6, 1914, at 12:40 a.m. at the home of his son, Elder G. W. Murray, in Winchester, Ill, with whom he had lived for the past nine years. He united with the Primitive Baptist church called Union in Barrow, Ill., seventy-two years ago and was baptized by the late Elder John Record, and remained a faithful member until his death. He had been a minister of the gospel sixty-two years, and had preached extensively in Illinois, Iowa and Missouri, and some in Nebraska, Kansas, Montana and Arkansas. He had spent almost his entire life in Illinois, except a brief residence in De Kalb and Linn Cos., Mo. It is a comfort to us to say that we believe he died in the triumph of the faith he embraced so long ago. He was am earnest believer in the doctrine of salvation by grace, the perseverance of the saints, the resurrection of their bodies and their final glorification with Christ their Savior. Elder Murray was 93 years, 6 months, and 2 days old at the time of his death. The last discourse he preached was at his home church from the text John v. 39 - “Search the scriptures,” etc. The funeral services were held at the home of his son in Winchester, Sept. 7th, conducted by Elders H. S. Peak and Giles Reeder, in the presence of a large congregation. Six of the brethren of his home church carried him to his burial, making great lamentation over him. Interment in the Taylor cemetery, five miles west of Winchester. (written by) G. W. Murray The “Primitive Baptist” and “Primitive Monitor” please copy. (Based on the information given above, Allen Wakefield Murray became a member of Union Primitive Baptist Church in Barrow, Illinois in 1842, and began to preach at the church in 1852. Taylor Cemetery is in Section 3, Township 14, Range 13 in Scott County, Illinois. It is on private property at this time. At this time, no record of him being in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Montana has been found.)

Friends, A pastor in Macoupin county informed me, about four years ago, that he thought possibly there were some church records in possession of some people in Roodhouse, who were related to a Mr. Oscar Kemp, who was one of the last members of a church called Union. I wonder if someone would contact me privately if you might be able to help. Robert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmaga/index.html Bios: 1878 Morgan: Sims 1879 Greene: Barrow, Grimes (2), Handler, Hurdt, Ward 1881 Sangamon: Thomas 1885 Greene: Clendenen (2), Goacher, King (2), McAdams 1891 Sangamon: Seifert 1892 Cass: Johnson 1904 Sangamon: Giblin, Lange, Riefler, Schoenemann, Seymour, Wallbaum 1912 Sangamon: Graham, Mischler, O'Brien 1915 Cass: Lynn (3), Marshall Obituaries: Elmore, Farley

Sue Yes, I am trying to trace my Kings. If I get proof oneway or thhe other . I'll pass it on. Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "George & Susan LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Samuel KING and Nancy RENO (mar.12/7/1832) > Kent=I had noticed the same cluster of families in the 1850 Greene Co. > Census (KING and RENO families). The Samuel + Elizabeth KING household could > fit Samuel KING and Nancy RENO marriage as the women in the RENO family > often used their middle names. I don't have Nancy's middle name, but her > mother's name was Nancy E. LACY so it COULD be the Elizabeth KING+Samuel > household. Certainly the age and place of birth would fit Nancy RENO. > I'm guessing your interest is in other descendents of Alexander KING > rather than Samuel. If I find out more to link "my" Nancy RENO with Samuel, > son of Alexander, KING, I'll be in touch. > Susan RENO LeBlanc > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:[email protected] >

Kent=I had noticed the same cluster of families in the 1850 Greene Co. Census (KING and RENO families). The Samuel + Elizabeth KING household could fit Samuel KING and Nancy RENO marriage as the women in the RENO family often used their middle names. I don't have Nancy's middle name, but her mother's name was Nancy E. LACY so it COULD be the Elizabeth KING+Samuel household. Certainly the age and place of birth would fit Nancy RENO. I'm guessing your interest is in other descendents of Alexander KING rather than Samuel. If I find out more to link "my" Nancy RENO with Samuel, son of Alexander, KING, I'll be in touch. Susan RENO LeBlanc

Seeking James Ames in 1880 Green Co. IL. Ames - A 520 Thanks so much. Janet in San Antonio

David Fannin King was a Judge of probate greene CO and the Grandson of the poste Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "marg3" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Greene CO King's > Martin Burt lived in Greene Co., (in Madison in 1820 census) until about > 1838. He left us a booklet full of notes, mostly financial transactions, > which I have transcribed. He mentions King family several times....David > being the only given name he used. He seemed to be either purchasing or > selling rails to David King. Could this David be part of your Kings? > Margaret Behnke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Simpson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: Greene CO King's > > > > Tom > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > I will study Benjamin M. and see where it takes me. > > Capt Lucian King is from New York, mine are from PA, NC, TN, KY, IN to > IL,. I do not think he is part of my Kings. > > Robert King is from New Orleans per bio, I have seen several refrences > that Alexander's youngest were born 1825. > > It is the process of elimanation. > > On John and Charlotte, John died before 1860, Alexander adopted his > daughter Elizabeth. Do not know exact date of death and have not found where > he is buried. > > > > Thanks Kent > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:16 AM > > Subject: Re: Greene CO King's > > > > > > > Kent, > > > I find a Benjamin M. King in Kane Cemetery, Kane Township. Born > > > 3/25/1807, d 8/9/1844 and in the same cemetery Captain Lucian King > 6/11/1817 > > > to 6/6/1879. > > > Robert King d 10/27/1858 aged 32yrs 11m 2d in Carrollton Cemetery > which > > > makes the birth year 1832, a few years later than the last birth you've > > > listed, but not so late as to be impossible. Carrolltron Cemetery also > has a > > > number of Kings listed as children of John and Charlotte. All were born > in > > > the 1840's and appear to fit with the son John you have listed. > > > John and Charlotte are NOT listed in Carrollton Cemetery, > > > Hope this is some help. If it brings up a specific question let me > know > > > maybe an answer can be found. > > > > > > > > > TOM SAXTON > > > > > > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Greene County USGenWeb Homepage! > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgreene/green.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Donna Kilroy, > > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

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Kent, This may cause more confusion than help but In the 1830 Census Alexander is shown with 2 male under 5 2 male 10-15 2 male 15-20 2 female 5-10 In 1840 Census 1 male 10-15 1 male 20-30 2 female 15-20 I didn't list Alexander or his wife since you know their age range. TOM SAXTON

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