Keep it up lady and you will find yourself the only one left on this list! Too bad a lot of people are leaving..wonder why??? Oh..this IS a geneology list according to Rootsweb and according to Mr.Musgrave. I have made 3 attempts to Unsubscribe and I got a message that says " I am not on the List" so they can't Unsubscribe me..LOL I am blocking you from sending me anymore of your ridiculous remarks...bye bye... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Park" <rosie63@earthlink.net> To: "Susan Newell" <cherosis@semo.net> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: RE: Old Slave House Update > Personally attacked Susan? Oh please, did you read the email you wrote. Or > was saying that I'm talking out both sides of my mouth just a nice gesture > on your part. Get a grip. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Newell [mailto:cherosis@semo.net] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:46 AM > To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Old Slave House Update > > Mr. Musgrave, > I mentioned in a comment "why don't they just burn the place down" instead > of state taxpayers footing the bill and use this money for something more > useful. > Now my comment has been turned around into a" threat" from another list > member! I Have been personally attacked for voicing my opinion and this is > not allowed on any other mailing list that I belong to. > I guess I should have said.."tear it down or close it up" etc. ( I can > assure you, I have no intention of coming to Ill. with a gas can to torch > this old "historical" place!) > It was also said that "I wasn't much of a geneologist if I wanted a 150 > yr.old site destroyed." > As terrible as I can only imagine this place to have been (and I have seen > pictures of the inside) why would we want to be constantly reminded of such > atrocities! > I joined this site because I thought it was for research and Geneology and > not to be engaged in a verbal War over a subject to which I voiced my > opinion. > Since it seems I do not have the right to do this , please remove my name > from this list. This is my 2nd request. Please UNSUBSCRIBE me or tell me > how to do this. > May I say though, I have enjoyed your articles on Illinois history very > much. > Thank you > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Musgrave" <jonm@midamer.net> > To: <ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:28 PM > Subject: Old Slave House Update > > > > Hello, > > > > The status of the Old Slave House is that the Illinois Historic > Preservation Agency purchased the house for the State of Illinois about 15 > months ago. The state didn't buy the antiques inside of the house. The Sisks > wanted to stay in the house for six months in order to take care of the > antiques (and hopefully get the state to purchase them). IHPA had no problem > with that because they knew they needed to have a round the clock presence > at the house anyway. Plus, six months ended in June which was the end of the > fiscal year. > > > > At the time of the site's acquisition, IHPA was going to ask for funding > to staff and operate the house. They did, but the Bureau of the Budget > didn't add the money to the budget. Neither did the General Assembly when > they passed the budget at the end of the spring 2001 session. All of a > sudden, IHPA had a site, but no funding to operate or staff it, so they > wrote up a new agreement with the Sisks. They could continue to live there > rent-free, but they had to maintain the grounds and keep up the house much > as they were doing before. Also, the state could come in and move them out > whenever they needed. > > > > It's budget time again in Illinois, and with the budget woes the state's > going through, no one know what will happen, but no one is expecting much. > IHPA has another site with a new $2.5 million interpretive center at the > state's Lewis and Clark site and they have no money to staff it as well, so > it's not just the Old Slave House. > > > > As to the comments about arson... that's why the state needs someone at > the site around the clock. Since the Sisks closed it to tourists, they've > had three people break in one afternoon, (two of them had just been released > from an Indiana mental institution). Also, the historic Green House stage > coach inn over towards New Haven was burnt by a bunch of teens. That > 1830s/40s era structure went up in flames the weekend after it had been > nominated for the National Register of Historic Places. > > > > The state is doing something with the Old Slave House. They hired a > researcher from the Illinois Historical Survey to review the research > myself, Ron Nelson and Gary DeNeal had already done. In a surprise move, > IHPA even hired the three of us to act as consultants to the researcher > which saved him lots of time. He was actually supposed to have the final > report completed last fall, but there's so much info out there, he's still > working on it. > > > > Every week it seems that something new pops up in our research. (It's > still ongoing). Amazingly, although the Internet has a lot of worthless info > on it, the World Wide Web has proven a boon to this research as universities > upload online rare books, and genealogy lists and forums allow quick access > to genealogists who often hold that missing piece of the puzzle. A few weeks > ago Maureen Michelene who commented earlier today, informed me that Charles > McKernan was John Forrester's son-in-law. By chance when we first started > this research I saw a notice in an old Shawneetown newspaper that mentioned > a ball being held by McKernan. I mentioned it in the first main research > article I ever wrote on the house. At the time, I didn't know that Charles > was the son-in-law of one of Crenshaw's co-defendants in a kidnapping case. > I mentioned it solely for the wording and style of the party notice since it > would probably be similar to the parties the Crenshaws held on the second > floor at Hi! > > ckory Hill in the ballroom. > > > > In the past month we've uncovered the story of Andrew Jackson, a runaway > slave who was probably sitting in the jailhouse at Equality in September > 1840 at the same time Abraham Lincoln was in town campaigning for William > Henry Harrison for president. We've also made some terrific strides into the > story of John Duff the counterfeiter, an earlier outlaw in the area, whose > possible partner's son is remembered by his family as a slave catcher who > worked for Crenshaw. Duff's a perfect example of why more research is needed > into the area. For the most part he's remembered almost solely in legends > and lore. Most historians have not even been able to determine if Duff the > counterfeiter associated with Cave-in-Rock and the salines is even the same > John Duff who shows up in Illinois with George Rogers Clark. It turns out > the two are probably the same afterall. Not only have researchers discovered > a number of references to the historical John Duff in the Kaskaskia area, > but also in west! > > ern Kentucky where legend remembers he settled. Even his son-in-law is > found nearby adding to the likelihood that we're on to the right person. > > > > There are a number of stories concerning the Old Slave House. After five > years of research I can tell you that most of them are mostly true, and all > of them have some basis in history. Even the ghost stories apparently date > back to the 1850s. > > > > Like an earlier writer noted, this list is supposed to be for genealogy, > but as list owner I've allowed discussions on just about anything referring > to Gallatin County history and folklore. However, to move this back on a > genealogical track, how about if one of the Crenshaw descendents on this > list tell the status of the Robert Crenshaw family Bible which supposedly > tells of William Crenshaw's trek to New Madrid, or whether the diary > supposedly written by Bob Wilson's daughter is real and where its > whereabouts might be. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jon Musgrave > > www.IllinoisHistory.com > > > > P.S. To the person who tried to visit Hickory Hill Cemetery... you > shouldn't have had any problems. I haven't been there for nearly a year, but > the road leading back to it is still a township road. The entrance to it > does look like a driveway and has a white picket fence on both sides of road > where it turns south from Old Rt. 13. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >