Looking for Grant, Bell, Aud, Bates, Blackard, Thompson, Campbell, from New Haven area of Gallatin County, Illinois. Larry Ronald Bish Any genealogical information that I have is free to those who share. This Family is not connected to the Slave House..........Thank goodness.

Mr. Musgrave, I mentioned in a comment "why don't they just burn the place down" instead of state taxpayers footing the bill and use this money for something more useful. Now my comment has been turned around into a" threat" from another list member! I Have been personally attacked for voicing my opinion and this is not allowed on any other mailing list that I belong to. I guess I should have said.."tear it down or close it up" etc. ( I can assure you, I have no intention of coming to Ill. with a gas can to torch this old "historical" place!) It was also said that "I wasn't much of a geneologist if I wanted a 150 yr.old site destroyed." As terrible as I can only imagine this place to have been (and I have seen pictures of the inside) why would we want to be constantly reminded of such atrocities! I joined this site because I thought it was for research and Geneology and not to be engaged in a verbal War over a subject to which I voiced my opinion. Since it seems I do not have the right to do this , please remove my name from this list. This is my 2nd request. Please UNSUBSCRIBE me or tell me how to do this. May I say though, I have enjoyed your articles on Illinois history very much. Thank you Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Musgrave" <jonm@midamer.net> To: <ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Old Slave House Update > Hello, > > The status of the Old Slave House is that the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency purchased the house for the State of Illinois about 15 months ago. The state didn't buy the antiques inside of the house. The Sisks wanted to stay in the house for six months in order to take care of the antiques (and hopefully get the state to purchase them). IHPA had no problem with that because they knew they needed to have a round the clock presence at the house anyway. Plus, six months ended in June which was the end of the fiscal year. > > At the time of the site's acquisition, IHPA was going to ask for funding to staff and operate the house. They did, but the Bureau of the Budget didn't add the money to the budget. Neither did the General Assembly when they passed the budget at the end of the spring 2001 session. All of a sudden, IHPA had a site, but no funding to operate or staff it, so they wrote up a new agreement with the Sisks. They could continue to live there rent-free, but they had to maintain the grounds and keep up the house much as they were doing before. Also, the state could come in and move them out whenever they needed. > > It's budget time again in Illinois, and with the budget woes the state's going through, no one know what will happen, but no one is expecting much. IHPA has another site with a new $2.5 million interpretive center at the state's Lewis and Clark site and they have no money to staff it as well, so it's not just the Old Slave House. > > As to the comments about arson... that's why the state needs someone at the site around the clock. Since the Sisks closed it to tourists, they've had three people break in one afternoon, (two of them had just been released from an Indiana mental institution). Also, the historic Green House stage coach inn over towards New Haven was burnt by a bunch of teens. That 1830s/40s era structure went up in flames the weekend after it had been nominated for the National Register of Historic Places. > > The state is doing something with the Old Slave House. They hired a researcher from the Illinois Historical Survey to review the research myself, Ron Nelson and Gary DeNeal had already done. In a surprise move, IHPA even hired the three of us to act as consultants to the researcher which saved him lots of time. He was actually supposed to have the final report completed last fall, but there's so much info out there, he's still working on it. > > Every week it seems that something new pops up in our research. (It's still ongoing). Amazingly, although the Internet has a lot of worthless info on it, the World Wide Web has proven a boon to this research as universities upload online rare books, and genealogy lists and forums allow quick access to genealogists who often hold that missing piece of the puzzle. A few weeks ago Maureen Michelene who commented earlier today, informed me that Charles McKernan was John Forrester's son-in-law. By chance when we first started this research I saw a notice in an old Shawneetown newspaper that mentioned a ball being held by McKernan. I mentioned it in the first main research article I ever wrote on the house. At the time, I didn't know that Charles was the son-in-law of one of Crenshaw's co-defendants in a kidnapping case. I mentioned it solely for the wording and style of the party notice since it would probably be similar to the parties the Crenshaws held on the second floor at Hi! > ckory Hill in the ballroom. > > In the past month we've uncovered the story of Andrew Jackson, a runaway slave who was probably sitting in the jailhouse at Equality in September 1840 at the same time Abraham Lincoln was in town campaigning for William Henry Harrison for president. We've also made some terrific strides into the story of John Duff the counterfeiter, an earlier outlaw in the area, whose possible partner's son is remembered by his family as a slave catcher who worked for Crenshaw. Duff's a perfect example of why more research is needed into the area. For the most part he's remembered almost solely in legends and lore. Most historians have not even been able to determine if Duff the counterfeiter associated with Cave-in-Rock and the salines is even the same John Duff who shows up in Illinois with George Rogers Clark. It turns out the two are probably the same afterall. Not only have researchers discovered a number of references to the historical John Duff in the Kaskaskia area, but also in west! > ern Kentucky where legend remembers he settled. Even his son-in-law is found nearby adding to the likelihood that we're on to the right person. > > There are a number of stories concerning the Old Slave House. After five years of research I can tell you that most of them are mostly true, and all of them have some basis in history. Even the ghost stories apparently date back to the 1850s. > > Like an earlier writer noted, this list is supposed to be for genealogy, but as list owner I've allowed discussions on just about anything referring to Gallatin County history and folklore. However, to move this back on a genealogical track, how about if one of the Crenshaw descendents on this list tell the status of the Robert Crenshaw family Bible which supposedly tells of William Crenshaw's trek to New Madrid, or whether the diary supposedly written by Bob Wilson's daughter is real and where its whereabouts might be. > > Sincerely, > > Jon Musgrave > www.IllinoisHistory.com > > P.S. To the person who tried to visit Hickory Hill Cemetery... you shouldn't have had any problems. I haven't been there for nearly a year, but the road leading back to it is still a township road. The entrance to it does look like a driveway and has a white picket fence on both sides of road where it turns south from Old Rt. 13. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jon, I was very much interested in your commentary on the Old Slave House. Thank you for your clarity explaining what this hot topic was all about. Also for your historical information that you frequently contribute. I am wondering about the John Duff you mentioned. Was he perhaps related to the Hiram Duff from Sumner Co TN? Hiram Duff married Frances Dugger and they moved to Gallatin Co. about 1830. They had a son named John. Carol Dugger

Does anyone have access to court records in Gallatin Co. IL that can do a lookup? My ancestor Ludy Haley from Franklin Co. GA spent time in Gallatin Co. IL before the Civil War. There was an incident about a slave of his or his son Meeks. I understand that he was visiting his son Meeks in IL. I am wandering if there are court Records to the incident below? I sure would appreciate anything on this. I am refering to the article below: The following story was given to the author by Mrs. Winnie Parker of Lavonia, Georgia, a descendant of Ludy Haley, June 1, 1924: "How Illinois Received the First Slave from the South" To the Editor of The Atlanta Constitution: "I noticed an article in a recent copy of your paper from an Athens lady telling of the interest a Negro man created in North Georgia a few years ago. I was reminded of an incident that happened to my grandfather in 1848 when he moved to Illinois and carried a servant girl named Sarah. She was the first slave to be carried to that state and quite an excitement prevailed. The Southern family had not thought of this and were wholly unprepared for the reception they met. Many commenced calling after the arrival, bringing children with them, not so much to welcome them (as they learned later), but to see the great curiosity - a Negro slave. They soon began to talk to Sarah (unaware to the family) and to tell her that she was free and to come and live with them and she would be treated exactly as they were. Some even called her 'Miss Sarah'. Of course, all this was very flattering to the Negro girl. But to make a long story short, one morning Sarah was missing - had left the only friends she had ever known and gone with her so-called new friends to try the uncertain future with them. Grandfather (this was Meeks Haley, son of Ludy Haley) was a rather quick-tempered man and didn't mean to have his property taken from him in any such manner. So he engaged a lawyer - so did Sarah's friends - and a day was appointed for the trial. On the day set, quite a crowd had collected at the Courthouse and much excitement prevailed. Sarah's lawyer came riding into town with her behind him on the same horse. After all evidence and the lawyers' speeches, the case was decided in favor of Grandfather, but he was told to get his property out of the state. He paid his lawyer $50.00 and took Sarah on his horse in the same fashion that she rode into town and started for the Mason-Dixon Line. Of course, this was a disappointment to the Negro girl - after having had her hopes raised so high - and she rebelled against it for awhile, but after they crossed the Ohio River she decided she was satisfied, and after coming home to Georgia, seemed thoroughly contented. In her old age she would sometimes tell her 'white folks' - 'I shore was a fool in my young days." David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 864-225-3253 <otime1@yahoo.com> View my Gedcoms at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime My Wife's line: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cateel Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, TODD, WHITMIRE, WOODALL --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards�

Cody, a couple of answers: Cody Sanders wrote: > > When you say the IHS Agency purchased the house for the State of Illinois - > are you saying no tax dollars were used in this purchase? The IHPA is the state agency charged with maintaining historic sites and the national register of historic places. All of the money used to buy the Old Slave House came from the state budget. > > The antiques in the house- are those the ones we read about in the > newspapers that Sisk threatened to burn if the State of Illinois didn't > purchase them for another half million bucks? Or maybe he said he was going > to burn them in a bon fire? I am not sure about that, but the state frequently does half a job. Maybe the state thinks that they can get donations to buy the contents of the house--a former governor spent a million dollars of his own money to purchase an original Frank Lloyd Wright lamp for the Dana-Thomas state historic site in Springfield. Maybe they think the Sisk's will ask for less. > > When IHPA was going to ask for funding to staff and operate the house - was > this cost coming from Illinois tax dollars? > The IHPA can charge a small admissions charge when the building is open, and I am pretty sure the IHPA was expecting increasing budgets in the next few years, as they started several projects, including a new competitive grant program for restoration of national register properties. Our White County Historical Society received a grant of about $15000 for the 2000-2001 fiscal year. The state's income for 2001-2002 is much less than expected, and all kinds of agencies have been hit. There is also a lame duck governor and lots of discord in the general assembly. > Surprise, Surprise! The State of Illinois has money to hire the three > rascals to help the researcher they hired (already) to re-research the > research. Like I said the gift that keeps on giving! Why do they need a > professional researcher when they have 'we' doing it? For some reason the state frequently budgets money for consultants rather than "brick and mortar" or more substantive pursuits. I have also been involved in tourism activities and the state allows our regional agency to bring in a tourism guru from Pennsylvania and a local museum consultant, but we can't produce a brochure about area attractions unless it is designed to bring in people from at least 50 or 100 miles away. The bottom line is to look at the Old Slave House as a long term project but rather than argue about it folks need to be advocating for it. Cindy Birk Conley Carmi, IL

I enjoyed visiting The Old Slave House and have visited several times when it was open. A part of genealogy is learning the history that makes the people come alive. I was saddened to hear of the closing. To tear this house down, would be like saying, that part of history didn't exist. Thank you, Linda

When you say the IHS Agency purchased the house for the State of Illinois - are you saying no tax dollars were used in this purchase? The antiques in the house- are those the ones we read about in the newspapers that Sisk threatened to burn if the State of Illinois didn't purchase them for another half million bucks? Or maybe he said he was going to burn them in a bon fire? When IHPA was going to ask for funding to staff and operate the house - was this cost coming from Illinois tax dollars? Surprise, Surprise! The State of Illinois has money to hire the three rascals to help the researcher they hired (already) to re-research the research. Like I said the gift that keeps on giving! Why do they need a professional researcher when they have 'we' doing it? Whoever the Crenshaw descendant is with the Robert Crenshaw family Bible I would suggest you bury it in corn field. Good play - bad timing. Cody _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Oh, believe me when I say everyone has a right to his or her opinions, even you. Yes, I have voiced my opinions in the past regarding the house. However, I am capable of expressing my opinions and ideas based on sound thought and logic. Let me ask you this...if someone labeled the house "The Old Slave House" many years ago (based on stories they had heard) and that is what everyone began calling it, does that mean it is concrete proof that it was a slave house? Just because someone calls it that for a long time, doesn't make it arbitrarily true. It seems strange to me that for as much research that has been done, there has never been any proof. Logically, how could that be? Yes, I would love to take care of the old house, however, my husband is a United States Marine (of 19 years) and our duty calls here in North Carolina for our mission is to protect the freedom and rights of people like you who feel their right to speech over the Internet has been impaired. My husband would give his life to ensure your right to attack others verbally and threaten to burn down houses over the Internet. Sincerely yours Rose Park USMC Wife Semper Fi -----Original Message----- From: Susan Newell [mailto:cherosis@semo.net] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:02 PM To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Naming Names? Excuse me? I don't think this calls for personal attacks! If I can't voice my opinion on this subject..what makes you think you have a right to? Yes Rose..since you had ancestors in this house..I guess you wouldn't want it destroyed. Maybe you should take care of this "wonderful" old Historic place. Surely you don't surmise that a "Slave House" would have been anything other than what the name of it implies! You and Cody need to re-read your previous messages..sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Your former messages sounded to me like you didn't like the subject either. As for the Delete button..thanx for the advice..I have already used it on your messages. I will be Unsubscribing from this"whatever" list this is..I know you will miss me. Susan ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

" unsubscribe" > > > ILGALLAT-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 17 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Fwd: List ["Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@ho] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILGALLAT-D, send a message to > > ILGALLAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fwd: List > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:28:56 -0600 > From: "Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@hotmail.com> > To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Read from the bottom up and it may make sense. Open to any > opinions. > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:24:01 -0500 > > I believe that Sisk is house-sitting. The state needs someone to > live in the house to protect against vandalism and should, I think, > be paying Sisk. The state would probably have a hard time finding > anyone else willing to live in the Old Slave House, much less to pay > rent for the privilege. Gallatin County doesn't have a hot rental market, > after all. > > -------------------5------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@erols.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > I see, but if the state is having financial problems why are they > allowing Sisk to live in the house rent-free? So the previous owner > gets to live in the white elephant? I'm not sure I accept this one. > Thanks for sending the URL > > -----------------4---------------------- > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:38 -0500 > > It seems that Illinois is having severe budget problems. See > http://www.ilafl-cio.org/UPDATE.HTM. > > ---------------3--------------------- > > Wanda Avila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@erols.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > Sure go ahead. > > -------------------------No 2--------------- > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:17:28 -0500 > > Cody, > > You ask some good questions. If it's okay with you, I'll post your > comments on the Gallatin RW mail list and see if anyone has any > answers. > > Wanda Avila > > -----------------------No 1------------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@synpub.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:27 AMSubject: Old Slave House > > Wanda, > > At present I'm not subscribed to the Gallatin RW mail list but read > the message you posted. The State of Illinois paid half a million > dollars to purchase the old slave house and are allowing the former > owner to reside there rent- free. From the message you received it > sounds like the house will remain closed to the public indefinitely. > Tax payers why aren't you yelling foul? > The state hired a professor to research the history of the house and > write a report. Wonder what they plan to do with it, or did they > ever have plans? What happened to the three rascals or whatever they > were? > Thanks for posting that information. Glad I don't pay taxes in that > state anymore! > > C. D. Sanders > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Hello, The status of the Old Slave House is that the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency purchased the house for the State of Illinois about 15 months ago. The state didn't buy the antiques inside of the house. The Sisks wanted to stay in the house for six months in order to take care of the antiques (and hopefully get the state to purchase them). IHPA had no problem with that because they knew they needed to have a round the clock presence at the house anyway. Plus, six months ended in June which was the end of the fiscal year. At the time of the site's acquisition, IHPA was going to ask for funding to staff and operate the house. They did, but the Bureau of the Budget didn't add the money to the budget. Neither did the General Assembly when they passed the budget at the end of the spring 2001 session. All of a sudden, IHPA had a site, but no funding to operate or staff it, so they wrote up a new agreement with the Sisks. They could continue to live there rent-free, but they had to maintain the grounds and keep up the house much as they were doing before. Also, the state could come in and move them out whenever they needed. It's budget time again in Illinois, and with the budget woes the state's going through, no one know what will happen, but no one is expecting much. IHPA has another site with a new $2.5 million interpretive center at the state's Lewis and Clark site and they have no money to staff it as well, so it's not just the Old Slave House. As to the comments about arson... that's why the state needs someone at the site around the clock. Since the Sisks closed it to tourists, they've had three people break in one afternoon, (two of them had just been released from an Indiana mental institution). Also, the historic Green House stage coach inn over towards New Haven was burnt by a bunch of teens. That 1830s/40s era structure went up in flames the weekend after it had been nominated for the National Register of Historic Places. The state is doing something with the Old Slave House. They hired a researcher from the Illinois Historical Survey to review the research myself, Ron Nelson and Gary DeNeal had already done. In a surprise move, IHPA even hired the three of us to act as consultants to the researcher which saved him lots of time. He was actually supposed to have the final report completed last fall, but there's so much info out there, he's still working on it. Every week it seems that something new pops up in our research. (It's still ongoing). Amazingly, although the Internet has a lot of worthless info on it, the World Wide Web has proven a boon to this research as universities upload online rare books, and genealogy lists and forums allow quick access to genealogists who often hold that missing piece of the puzzle. A few weeks ago Maureen Michelene who commented earlier today, informed me that Charles McKernan was John Forrester's son-in-law. By chance when we first started this research I saw a notice in an old Shawneetown newspaper that mentioned a ball being held by McKernan. I mentioned it in the first main research article I ever wrote on the house. At the time, I didn't know that Charles was the son-in-law of one of Crenshaw's co-defendants in a kidnapping case. I mentioned it solely for the wording and style of the party notice since it would probably be similar to the parties the Crenshaws held on the second floor at Hi! ckory Hill in the ballroom. In the past month we've uncovered the story of Andrew Jackson, a runaway slave who was probably sitting in the jailhouse at Equality in September 1840 at the same time Abraham Lincoln was in town campaigning for William Henry Harrison for president. We've also made some terrific strides into the story of John Duff the counterfeiter, an earlier outlaw in the area, whose possible partner's son is remembered by his family as a slave catcher who worked for Crenshaw. Duff's a perfect example of why more research is needed into the area. For the most part he's remembered almost solely in legends and lore. Most historians have not even been able to determine if Duff the counterfeiter associated with Cave-in-Rock and the salines is even the same John Duff who shows up in Illinois with George Rogers Clark. It turns out the two are probably the same afterall. Not only have researchers discovered a number of references to the historical John Duff in the Kaskaskia area, but also in west! ern Kentucky where legend remembers he settled. Even his son-in-law is found nearby adding to the likelihood that we're on to the right person. There are a number of stories concerning the Old Slave House. After five years of research I can tell you that most of them are mostly true, and all of them have some basis in history. Even the ghost stories apparently date back to the 1850s. Like an earlier writer noted, this list is supposed to be for genealogy, but as list owner I've allowed discussions on just about anything referring to Gallatin County history and folklore. However, to move this back on a genealogical track, how about if one of the Crenshaw descendents on this list tell the status of the Robert Crenshaw family Bible which supposedly tells of William Crenshaw's trek to New Madrid, or whether the diary supposedly written by Bob Wilson's daughter is real and where its whereabouts might be. Sincerely, Jon Musgrave www.IllinoisHistory.com P.S. To the person who tried to visit Hickory Hill Cemetery... you shouldn't have had any problems. I haven't been there for nearly a year, but the road leading back to it is still a township road. The entrance to it does look like a driveway and has a white picket fence on both sides of road where it turns south from Old Rt. 13.

Folks, have you ever stopped to think who it was that gave the Crenshaw house the name "the old slave house?" Who has benefited from that house and it's name for years? Who is still benefiting from it? It isn't a Crenshaw! I think my messages have been clear. I do not believe the state of Illinois should pay half a million dollars to buy a house when they know they can not afford to and then let the seller live in it for nothing. To suggest the state should pay this tenant to live there makes my head spin. The statement about just setting the house on fire was totally out of line. Of course this would rile a Crenshaw descendant! Cody _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Excuse me? I don't think this calls for personal attacks! If I can't voice my opinion on this subject..what makes you think you have a right to? Yes Rose..since you had ancestors in this house..I guess you wouldn't want it destroyed. Maybe you should take care of this "wonderful" old Historic place. Surely you don't surmise that a "Slave House" would have been anything other than what the name of it implies! You and Cody need to re-read your previous messages..sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Your former messages sounded to me like you didn't like the subject either. As for the Delete button..thanx for the advice..I have already used it on your messages. I will be Unsubscribing from this"whatever" list this is..I know you will miss me. Susan

Susan, I guess if it were your gggg-grandfathers house you would care. I think it has a lot to do with genealogy. Why do people think this site is only about genealogy when it's about their own ancestors? Why should the state burn down something they just paid a half a million for? Besides, anyone who would want to burn down a house built over 150 years ago, isn't much of a genealogist anyway. Did terrible things happen is that house? Well, enough people have been told that by the so-called historians of Gallatin County, but it is true? I for one would like to see the evidence.

Rose, I think you meant to send this to the list so I'll pass it on for you. Cody >From: "Rose Park" <rosie63@earthlink.net> >To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Reply to Susan >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:36:50 -0500 > >Susan, >I guess if it were your gggg-grandfathers house you would care. I think it >has a lot to do with genealogy. Why do people think this site is only >about >genealogy when it's about their own ancestors? Why should the state burn >down something they just paid a half a million for? Besides, anyone who >would want to burn down a house built over 150 years ago, isn't much of a >genealogist anyway. Did terrible things happen is that house? Well, >enough >people have been told that by the so-called historians of Gallatin County, >but it is true? I for one would like to see the evidence. > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

To the best of my recollection this list is called a Gallatin County mail list. If you want to discuss genealogy go right ahead. I haven't seen anyone post a message saying you can't. I subscribed the same way you did. Like the lady said, if you don'like the subject - use your delete. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Cody, There are plenty of people out there who agree with you. I think it's insane that anyone would think that Sisk should be paid to live in the house he was paid half a million for. What next, is the state going to provide a maid? Why not have a Crenshaw descendant live in the house to protect it from vandalism, at least that way the descendants could actually get on the property to visit the Crenshaw cemetery without having it blocked with a chain across the driveway. I would have liked to visit my gggg grandfather and grandmother's graves when I visited the area. Rose Park (Lawler, Crenshaw) PS. For anyone that doesn't like the conversation on the list, there's a little button called delete. Use it

I agree! Who cares anyway? Who wants to be reminded of this terrible place? Burn the thing down and save the state taxpayers money that can go toward something useful! I don't know why I thought this was a geneology site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud&Pat" <hoopersheaven@wans.net> To: <ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: ILGALLAT-D Digest V02 #17 > Where is the web master? Is this really what people sign on for? > With all that is going on in our world, This is some ones big worry? > My thought on this is some people need to get a life! > > ILGALLAT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: > > > > ILGALLAT-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 17 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 Fwd: List ["Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@ho] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from ILGALLAT-D, send a message to > > > > ILGALLAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Fwd: List > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:28:56 -0600 > > From: "Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@hotmail.com> > > To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Read from the bottom up and it may make sense. Open to any > > opinions. > > > > From: "Wanda Avila" > > To: "Cody Sanders" > > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:24:01 -0500 > > > > I believe that Sisk is house-sitting. The state needs someone to > > live in the house to protect against vandalism and should, I think, > > be paying Sisk. The state would probably have a hard time finding > > anyone else willing to live in the Old Slave House, much less to pay > > rent for the privilege. Gallatin County doesn't have a hot rental market, > > after all. > > > > -------------------5------------------- > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cody Sanders > > To: wavila@erols.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > > > I see, but if the state is having financial problems why are they > > allowing Sisk to live in the house rent-free? So the previous owner > > gets to live in the white elephant? I'm not sure I accept this one. > > Thanks for sending the URL > > > > -----------------4---------------------- > > > > From: "Wanda Avila" > > To: "Cody Sanders" > > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:38 -0500 > > > > It seems that Illinois is having severe budget problems. See > > http://www.ilafl-cio.org/UPDATE.HTM. > > > > ---------------3--------------------- > > > > Wanda Avila > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cody Sanders > > To: wavila@erols.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:59 AM > > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > > > Sure go ahead. > > > > -------------------------No 2--------------- > > > > From: "Wanda Avila" > > To: "Cody Sanders" > > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:17:28 -0500 > > > > Cody, > > > > You ask some good questions. If it's okay with you, I'll post your > > comments on the Gallatin RW mail list and see if anyone has any > > answers. > > > > Wanda Avila > > > > -----------------------No 1------------------ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cody Sanders > > To: wavila@synpub.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:27 AMSubject: Old Slave House > > > > Wanda, > > > > At present I'm not subscribed to the Gallatin RW mail list but read > > the message you posted. The State of Illinois paid half a million > > dollars to purchase the old slave house and are allowing the former > > owner to reside there rent- free. From the message you received it > > sounds like the house will remain closed to the public indefinitely. > > Tax payers why aren't you yelling foul? > > The state hired a professor to research the history of the house and > > write a report. Wonder what they plan to do with it, or did they > > ever have plans? What happened to the three rascals or whatever they > > were? > > Thanks for posting that information. Glad I don't pay taxes in that > > state anymore! > > > > C. D. Sanders > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Cody and Wanda, I'm speaking with only casual knowledge of the Old Slave House, but maybe the state has a multi-year contract with the Sisks, especially perhaps in the sales agreement. If the state is going to preserve the slave house it needs to protect it unil everything is in place. Ernie Heltsley

I, for one, enjoy the conversations. It is through them that I have learned about my ancestors (Forrester, McKernan). -----Original Message----- From: Rose Park [mailto:rosie63@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:49 PM To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Slave house Cody, There are plenty of people out there who agree with you. I think it's insane that anyone would think that Sisk should be paid to live in the house he was paid half a million for. What next, is the state going to provide a maid? Why not have a Crenshaw descendant live in the house to protect it from vandalism, at least that way the descendants could actually get on the property to visit the Crenshaw cemetery without having it blocked with a chain across the driveway. I would have liked to visit my gggg grandfather and grandmother's graves when I visited the area. Rose Park (Lawler, Crenshaw) PS. For anyone that doesn't like the conversation on the list, there's a little button called delete. Use it ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Where is the web master? Is this really what people sign on for? With all that is going on in our world, This is some ones big worry? My thought on this is some people need to get a life! ILGALLAT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > ILGALLAT-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 17 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Fwd: List ["Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@ho] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILGALLAT-D, send a message to > > ILGALLAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Fwd: List > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:28:56 -0600 > From: "Cody Sanders" <codyboy_sanders@hotmail.com> > To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Read from the bottom up and it may make sense. Open to any > opinions. > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:24:01 -0500 > > I believe that Sisk is house-sitting. The state needs someone to > live in the house to protect against vandalism and should, I think, > be paying Sisk. The state would probably have a hard time finding > anyone else willing to live in the Old Slave House, much less to pay > rent for the privilege. Gallatin County doesn't have a hot rental market, > after all. > > -------------------5------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@erols.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > I see, but if the state is having financial problems why are they > allowing Sisk to live in the house rent-free? So the previous owner > gets to live in the white elephant? I'm not sure I accept this one. > Thanks for sending the URL > > -----------------4---------------------- > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:38 -0500 > > It seems that Illinois is having severe budget problems. See > http://www.ilafl-cio.org/UPDATE.HTM. > > ---------------3--------------------- > > Wanda Avila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@erols.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > > Sure go ahead. > > -------------------------No 2--------------- > > From: "Wanda Avila" > To: "Cody Sanders" > Subject: Re: Old Slave House > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:17:28 -0500 > > Cody, > > You ask some good questions. If it's okay with you, I'll post your > comments on the Gallatin RW mail list and see if anyone has any > answers. > > Wanda Avila > > -----------------------No 1------------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cody Sanders > To: wavila@synpub.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:27 AMSubject: Old Slave House > > Wanda, > > At present I'm not subscribed to the Gallatin RW mail list but read > the message you posted. The State of Illinois paid half a million > dollars to purchase the old slave house and are allowing the former > owner to reside there rent- free. From the message you received it > sounds like the house will remain closed to the public indefinitely. > Tax payers why aren't you yelling foul? > The state hired a professor to research the history of the house and > write a report. Wonder what they plan to do with it, or did they > ever have plans? What happened to the three rascals or whatever they > were? > Thanks for posting that information. Glad I don't pay taxes in that > state anymore! > > C. D. Sanders > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx