All, Does anyone know the origin of Co. D, 48 KY Infantry of CW time frame. Was it a Federal/Union/USA unit or Confederate/CSA unit? In what area was it recruited? My Thomas SMOCK, b. 1821, IL served in this KY unit. I'm not sure just why since there were IL units (Union) formed from his home area of Cave in Rock, Hardin Co., IL. If he wanted to serve in the CSA, then the KY enlistment makes some sense. Would appreciate being educated about Co. D, 48 KY Infantry. Best regards, Hugh

Of Pope and Hardin Co., IL -Madison (Martin Madison) SMOCK, b. 1836 AR, m. Lavinia HOLLOMAN -Nancy SMOCK/HUGHES, b. 31 Jan 1819, m. John DAVIS -Thomas SMOCK, b. 29 May 1821 IL, m1. Unk, m2. Mary SIMMONS I have no parents for the above three. Given that there was one large SMOCK family in Southern IL in 1810 (USC 1810 Randolph Co., IL Terr.) and the family descendants stayed in the area well after 1900, it is reasonable to assume that all subsequent SMOCK families were derived from the initial settlers, C. and Sarah (?) SMOCK. Of the six male children in 1810 only three are known, Hiram (1800 KY), Barney (1808) and Alfred (1810). There were five female children of whom the two youngest, Matilda and Nelly are known. This leaves three males and three females unknown. By the USC 1820 Pope Co., IL C. SMOCK had died, and Sarah , Widow SMOCK, was head of household. The males in her household had grown to ten while the females were reduced to two. Among the males there were two born after the 1810 census, while the remainder, eight, included Hiram, Barney and Alfred, were old enough to be in the 1810 census. Of these, five were unknown and two were additions to the previous census. The addition of older household members suggests that they were new husbands of SMOCK women or they were boarders and not SMOCK related. One insight maybe the IL State Census of 1818 in which Widow SMOCK had a family of nine including herself. Of the eight household members one was an adult and seven minors (<16). Since Hiram was b. 1800 he would be 18 and the adult. Leaving seven minors of whom we can identify four-Barney, Alfred, Matilda, and Nelly. This leaves three unknown household members. Chances are that these were males considering the distribution of the 1810 census. With three unknown SMOCK males in 1818 the identity of the parents of the original unplaced SMOCKs-Madison, Nancy and Thomas-may well rest with these unknown males. Looking for SMOCK families in the 1830 time frame, aside from Sarah in Pope Co., IL, there were in AR Alfred (single), Casper (married), and Barret (married). Subsequent census in IL show that Barney SMOCK had children born in AR which indicated that Barret was in fact Barney/Barent who returned to IL by 1840. Alfred returned to IL to marry in 1832. There is no further info on Casper. Best regards, Hugh

In a message dated 11/29/02 6:40:47 PM, restate@brtc.net writes: << Thomas J. Smock family shows up in the 1900 and also in the 1910 Livingston Co. Census. [Thomas Jerry SMOCK, s/o Thomas and Mary (Simmons) SMOCK of Hardin Co., IL. He married May Lilian Evertson.] Calvin Smock married Catherine Bailey on 21 May 1860 according to Livingston Co. Marriages 1839-1871. [s/o Barney SMOCK and first wife. Catherine BAILEY was a widow who brought 2 BAILEY children to the marriage with Calvin.] Baby boy born Feb 1893 in Livingston Co, to Fransis (Frances?) M. Smock and A.J. Gipson. Liv. Co. Birth Records 1852-1908. [This new to me. Thomas and Mary (Simmons) SMOCK had a child, Frances, who could be the same.] Aaron T. Smock born 5 Oct 1901 to Thomas Smock and Mary L. Evertson, Livingston Co. [s/o Thomas Jerry and May Lilian Evertson SMOCK.] Goldie Green Smock born 2 Jan 1908 to T.J. Smock and May [d/o Thomas Jerry and May Lilian Evertson SMOCK.] This is all I could find on the Smock's>> ___________ Mary, In [] above I show what info I have. Thanks for the significant input. Best regards, Hugh

Cave in Rock was, indeed, the haven for some horrible people. If you can stomach it, here is an account of two of the US's oldest serial killers, the Harpes, who hid out in Cave in Rock. This is on Jon Musgrave's website. http://www.illinoishistory.com/harpes.html Lori -----Original Message----- From: HFTHusma@aol.com [mailto:HFTHusma@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:57 AM To: ILGALLAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: More on the SMOCK family of Cave in Rock, IL I have just read on the BELT web site <www.microforce.com/default.htm> that the area of Cave in Rock was something of an outlaw hideaway. As this is the case, at least at one time in the history of the area, the activity must have been known to the local population, even if they did not participate. My SMOCKs were in this area from before 1808 to at least 1900. They lived on the Ohio River in Cave in Rock, IL. Yet the history of the area as written by Belt does not reference them. I am curious as to the SMOCK's occupation and activity and, specifically, the identity of one C. SMOCK who came to the area before 1808. He died before 1816 leaving a widow and large family. His wife/widow was Sarah, and known surviving children: Hiram, Barney, Alfred, Nelly, and Matilda. Since Hiram was born in 1800 KY (USC 1850 Hardin Co., IL) and Barney in 1808 IL, it is presumed that these dates bracket the arrival of this SMOCK family in IL. The daughters married a PALMER and a FAIRCHILD, while the sons married a WILKERSON and a HUGHES. There is evidence that Barney, Alfred and a Casper SMOCK were in AR in 1830. Barney started a family there, while Alfred returned to IL to marry in 1832. Barney subsequently returned to IL by 1840 as he was on the IL census of that year. There is no further info on Casper. In 1850 a new name was introduced, Thomas SMOCK. Thomas was born 1821 in Cave in Rock, Pope Co., IL. His parents are unknown although there was only one SMOCK family in Pope Co. in 1820, that of Widow (Sarah) SMOCK. Thomas who would have been 9 in 1830 does not appear in the only SMOCK family of the census of that year nor in the 1840 census as a 19 year old in any of the three SMOCK families or as an independent. At 28 he appears in the census of 1850 with three young children, but no wife. The 1850 Mortuary Schedule of Hardin Co., IL carried the January death of Polly SMOCK, 21, married, who is presumed to be Thomas' wife. In 1850 Hiram and Alfred are still in Hardin Co., while Barney had moved to Pulaski Co., IL nearby. They all had families and by 1860 their children began to appear in the records. Some of them are difficult to place. There is no evidence that another SMOCK family moved into the area. Aside from Thomas, b. 1821, there is a Martin Madison SMOCK, b. 1836 and two James SMOCKs who remain unplaced among others. Madison SMOCK was born in AR, thus he is associated with Barney who started a family while in AR, however the linkage is not established. We know that Madison married in 1856 in Hardin Co., IL and served in the CW in an IL regiment. Madison is not found again until the 1880 Census in Hardin Co., IL. Since Livingston Co., KY is across the river from Hardin Co., IL it maybe that some SMOCKs moved to or married in KY. This needs investigation. Best regards, Hugh ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have just read on the BELT web site <www.microforce.com/default.htm> that the area of Cave in Rock was something of an outlaw hideaway. As this is the case, at least at one time in the history of the area, the activity must have been known to the local population, even if they did not participate. My SMOCKs were in this area from before 1808 to at least 1900. They lived on the Ohio River in Cave in Rock, IL. Yet the history of the area as written by Belt does not reference them. I am curious as to the SMOCK's occupation and activity and, specifically, the identity of one C. SMOCK who came to the area before 1808. He died before 1816 leaving a widow and large family. His wife/widow was Sarah, and known surviving children: Hiram, Barney, Alfred, Nelly, and Matilda. Since Hiram was born in 1800 KY (USC 1850 Hardin Co., IL) and Barney in 1808 IL, it is presumed that these dates bracket the arrival of this SMOCK family in IL. The daughters married a PALMER and a FAIRCHILD, while the sons married a WILKERSON and a HUGHES. There is evidence that Barney, Alfred and a Casper SMOCK were in AR in 1830. Barney started a family there, while Alfred returned to IL to marry in 1832. Barney subsequently returned to IL by 1840 as he was on the IL census of that year. There is no further info on Casper. In 1850 a new name was introduced, Thomas SMOCK. Thomas was born 1821 in Cave in Rock, Pope Co., IL. His parents are unknown although there was only one SMOCK family in Pope Co. in 1820, that of Widow (Sarah) SMOCK. Thomas who would have been 9 in 1830 does not appear in the only SMOCK family of the census of that year nor in the 1840 census as a 19 year old in any of the three SMOCK families or as an independent. At 28 he appears in the census of 1850 with three young children, but no wife. The 1850 Mortuary Schedule of Hardin Co., IL carried the January death of Polly SMOCK, 21, married, who is presumed to be Thomas' wife. In 1850 Hiram and Alfred are still in Hardin Co., while Barney had moved to Pulaski Co., IL nearby. They all had families and by 1860 their children began to appear in the records. Some of them are difficult to place. There is no evidence that another SMOCK family moved into the area. Aside from Thomas, b. 1821, there is a Martin Madison SMOCK, b. 1836 and two James SMOCKs who remain unplaced among others. Madison SMOCK was born in AR, thus he is associated with Barney who started a family while in AR, however the linkage is not established. We know that Madison married in 1856 in Hardin Co., IL and served in the CW in an IL regiment. Madison is not found again until the 1880 Census in Hardin Co., IL. Since Livingston Co., KY is across the river from Hardin Co., IL it maybe that some SMOCKs moved to or married in KY. This needs investigation. Best regards, Hugh

In a message dated 11/28/02 8:52:35 AM, bomendal@bellsouth.net writes: << The name Barney is one of the strongest clues. Somewhere, there has to be the missing link. >> __________________ David, Thanks for you confidence. As I analyze the large family of C. and Sarah (?) SMOCK of USC 1810 Randolph Co., IL Terr. and Widow (Sarah) SMOCK of USC 1820 Pope Co., IL, I am coming to the realization that that this Cave in Rock household could have been a boarding house for travelers on the Ohio River. Because of the lack of identification of most of the adults in both censuses, one must entertain the thought that, perhaps, they weren't SMOCKs. I find the 1818 IL State Census curious, in that this SMOCK family showed 2 adults and 7 minors or 9 total. By 1820 the count was 15. In 1810 when C. SMOCK was alive the count was 12. This fluctuation includes only 2 new borns between 1810 and 1820, and these are not necessarily Sarah SMOCKs. I am of the option (no research) that the 1818 count was of the SMOCK family while the 1810 and 1820 counts were of the households. Even the 1818 count leaves room for several unidentified members-I can account for Sarah, Hiram, Barney, Alfred, Nelly and Matilda or 6 total of the 9. The difference of 3 has to include one adult and 2 minors. The 2 minors could be new borns shown in 1820 (<5). The one adult is of interest as the adult could be male or female. I seem to be working in circles without deriving any useful data. On another tack. What happened to C. SMOCK? Between 1810 and 1816 C. disappeared. The Indians were active and hostile in this time frame in IL; the War of 1812-1815 occurred; and the hazards of the Ohio River were ever present. Assuming C. = Cornelius (b, 1772 PA), C. would have been 38 in 1810. Its more likely he died of other than natural reasons. It is curious that there is a partial record of Sally SMOCK filing in Gallatin Co., in 1816 as a Widow, but no follow up documents have been found. Since she lived in Cave in Rock which became a part of Pope Co. (established in 1816), perhaps, the matter was transferred to Pope Co. courts. Still no evidence. It is obvious that Sarah/Sally retained the land well passed 1830 as Hiram, her son, was on the property in 1840 and she was in his household. Some record of this land, its ownership and its sale must exist. The mysteries of the SMOCKs of Southern Illinois continue. Best regards, Hugh

SMOCK researchers, In researching SMOCKs in 1860 in Hardin Co., IL, I came across the census entry for Madison SMOCK which revealed that Madison was born in AR. His age at the time would indicate his birth in 1836. An examination of the USC 1830 AR showed three SMOCK adult male entries--Barnet, Casper, and Alfred (all under the age of 30). None of these SMOCKs or any other SMOCK appear in USC 1840 AR. In 1830 Alfred was not married, Casper probably was, as was Barnet. It appears that Barnet is, in fact, Barent or Barney SMOCK later (1840) found in Hardin Co., IL. Census entries for Barney show that some of his children were born in AR. Alfred is a brother of Barney, who returned to IL where in 1832 he married Sarah WILKERSON and in 1840 appears in the Hardin Co., IL census. Casper is not further identified at this point and has not been found later. From this summary it would appear that the father of Madison was either Barney or Casper. Some time before 1856 Madison returned to Hardin Co.. IL where he married Lavina HOLLOWAY. So between 1836 and 1856 the whereabouts of Madison in unknown. In 1840 Madison would be 4 (<5), in 1850 he would be 14 (10<15), and in 1860 he as 24 (20<30). He enlisted in C, 48th IL Inf in 1861. He died and was buried in 1925 in Hardin Co., IL While the potential of linkage of Madison to the SMOCKs of AR is there, as is the linkage to IL, to date that linkage (parents) is missing. Any help out there? Best regards, Hugh

In Aug. I purchased on-line a book titled "Handbook of Old Gallatin Co.". I made the payment to jmusgrave@onecliq.net. It was listed on rootsweb in Aug. and would be ready to send in Oct. or Nov. Has anyone received their order on this handbook? I have not and wish to know who to contact to either get my handbook or money returned ($29.00). Lee Kirtley

In Aug. I purchased on-line a book titled "Handbook of Old Gallatin Co.". I made the payment to jmusgrave@onecliq.net. It was listed on rootsweb in Aug. and would be ready to send in Oct. or Nov. Has anyone received their order on this handbook? I have not and wish to know who to contact to either get my handbook or money returned ($29.00). Lee Kirtley

SMOCK descendants, The SMOCK family was one of the earlier settlers in Southern IL. Arriving before 1808, they were in the 1810 Census of Randolph Co., IL Terr., they settled in Cave in Rock and remained in the vicinity for over 100 years. The counties involved over this time were Randolph, Gallatin, Pope and Hardin. Perhaps, some descendants still live there. My father in law was Rurie Ambler SMOCK (1893 Near Colo. Spromgs, Colo-1963 Delray Beach, FL), son of Thomas Jerry and May Lillian (Evertson) SMOCK of Hardin Co., IL. They are buried in Peter Creek Cemetery, near Cave in Rock, Hardin Co., IL. I am eager to make contact with one or more SMOCK descendants currently living in Hardin Co., IL. or vicinity. Please contact me directly at <hfthusma@aol.com> Best regards, Hugh

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Looking for death/wills for the following; possibly this county; Andrew Waddle John Thorn Edmond Baker II Elijah Baker all pre 1900 (aprx) Thanks Steve sspunk@aol.com

--part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <SMOCK-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj03.mail.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ31-1118172719; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:27:19 -0500 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ51-1118172714; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:27:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAIMR2J8014635; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:27:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:27:02 -0700 X-Original-Sender: HFTHusma@aol.com Mon Nov 18 15:27:02 2002 From: HFTHusma@aol.com Message-ID: <181.1215a258.2b0ac32d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:26:53 EST Subject: Thomas SMOCK of Cave in Rock, Hardin Co., IL USC 1850 Old-To: bigtree@sitesbydemand.com, bomendal@bellsouth.net, Esmock@cus.navy.mil, pcourter@tampabay.rr.com, SMOCK-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: <n4YNbC.A.UkD.2kW29@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: SMOCK-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SMOCK-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SMOCK-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/171 X-Loop: SMOCK-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SMOCK-L-request@rootsweb.com Thomas SMOCK is the only SMOCK in southern IL in 1850 who is not connected to a family. According to his tombstone Thomas was born in 1821 and died 07 Jul 1902 , Cave in Rock, IL. He served in the CW in the 9th IL Infantry. Thomas married twice. His first wife, Polly, died 1850 who gave him three children. The second wife was Mary SIMMONS who produced 5 children. The SMOCKs in Hardin Co., IL in 1840 were Hiram (b. 1800 KY), Barney (b. 1808 IL) and Alfred (b. 1810 IL). They were brothers, sons of C. (Cornelius?) and Sarah SMOCK. Only Hiram would be old enough in 1821 to be a candidate as Thomas' father. The only marriage found for Hiram is in 1837. In the USC 1840 Hiram's mother, Sarah, is in his household as is the oldest male (5-10) who is too young to be Thomas (then 19). The children in Barney's and Alfred's families are all under the age of 10. So there is no trace of Thomas among the SMOCKs in 1840, though he shows up with a family in 1850. Of course, I am looking for the connection which will identify Thomas with his parents. Best regards, Hugh ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary--

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The name Jackson JONES shows up in my JONES family.......... he was born Graves Co, Ky in 1844 to James Garland JONES and Frances L. "Franky" STARK b 1824 in Laurens Co, SC daughter of Thomas STARK and Mary Ann BLACKBURN......... I have found some of my people (mostly McCLAINs) from this area (Graves, Hickman, Fulton Cos, Ky......Weakley, Henry, Obion Cos, Tn.) were in Gallatin Co, Il early on.....early 1800s......... Do any of these names ring any bells...... James Garland JONES & Frances L. STARK children: (1) Mary P. b 1841 (2) Jackson W. b. August 18, 1844, Kentucky; d. January 06, 1929 m. L. J. ?? both buried at Old Bethel Cemetery in southern Graves Co, Ky. near the Tn line. (3) James McClure b 1846 (my ggranddaddy) m Emily Elizabeth MORRISON (4) Ann E. b 1849 1850 Graves County, Kentucky CensusFamily #548 JONES, Frances L. 27 F SC , Mary 10 F Ky , Jackson 5 M Ky , James 3 M Ky , Ann 1 F Ky Living next door was Family #550 \Fagan, C. 35 M Farmer Ireland , Mary 25 Tn , James 7 Ky , Eliz. 5 Ky , Rachael 4 Ky , Wm. 2 Ky Jones, James 75 NC (WHO IS THIS)???????????? James Garland JONES was killed while digging a well......it caved in on him burying him alive.......could be that it also involved his brother.........this was late 1849 or early 1850 (at least before census was taken in Graves Co, Kentucky. In a letter written by my great aunt she stated that she meet her aunts one day on the road. She also stated that she thought one of them married a Steve JONES? My great aunt also stated that the sisters lived either in Hickman or Hickman County, Kentucky. I did find a death record for Frances L. "Franky" Stark JONES died August 1887 but I have not found her on the 1880 census! She is buried at Old Bethel Cemetery, Graves Co, Kentucky but only has a red rock to mark her grave......she is buried next to a great grandchild of hers........ I would love to have info on the other sibling as well as more on the parents, grandparents etc.......always happy to exchange............pj This from > Julia A. Wright > b.w.wright@worldnet.att.net > John Jackson Jones b. abt. 1808 in TN, m. about 1830 to Mirah Woolard, sister to Lawson Brock Woolard. > Known Issue of Saline and Gallatin Co. IL. > 1. Henry Jones b. 1831. > 2. Martha A. Jones b. 1838 m. 7 Sept. 1858 to Hiram S. Jones, son of Nathaniel and Rachel Jones. > 3. William A. Jones b. 1841 m. Sarah E. Ryan on 14 Nov. 1867. > 4. Samuel Jones b. 1844 m. Melissa Ritter on 1 Sept. 1864, dau. of Isaac and Mary Jane Lockridge. > 5. Caroline Jones b ?, m. Joseph G. Weir, Jr. on 8 Sept. 1864. > 6. Deliah J. Jones b. 1848 m. Louise E. Butler on 28 Nov. 1872. > 7. John J. Jones b. 1850 m. Louise E. Butler on 28 Nov. 1872. > 8. Dissie Jones m. a Hodges. > 9. James F. Jones m. Adeline A. Anderson on 21 Jan. 1855, dau. of Albert A. Anderson and Aedesia Peebles. > 10. Loretta Elvira Jones b. 1862. > 11. Florence Jones. > > Who was the parents and siblings of John Jackson Jones? > I am looking for contact with anyone who has any information about the above families. > Thanks. > Julia A. Wright > b.w.wright@worldnet.att.net

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