Hello, I'm don't think this has been forwarded to this list, but it you are on the neighboring Saline, Pope or Hardin County lists you have already seen it. The Saline County Tourism Board's website is under construction at www.shawneetrip.com Jon Musgrave Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: C Mart Watson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Homecoming Event > The Saline County Tourism Board, of which I am a member, is discussing the possibility of sponsoring a Saline County Homecoming event which would be genealogy oriented. If there is enough interest it could be expanded to cover nearby counties such as Pope, Hardin and Gallatin. It would probably be a weekend event and could be joined with another event such as a 4th of July celebration etc. There would be a meeting place where "cousins", list members, etc. could meet face to face, exchange information, etc. Possibly a meal meeting. Other possibilities are cemetery trips, motor coach tours to scenic and historic sites, etc. > Some of the Saline County Genealogy Society members have indicated that organization would fully cooperate, including keeping its library open on that weekend. > We would like to have your input and ideas to see if there is enough interest to proceed. If it is successful, it could become an annual event. I look forward to your feedback. > >

The History of Saline County, Saline County Sesquicentennial 1947-1997. Author: Saline County Genealogical Society, 295 Pages, Indexed. ©SCGS 1997. Reviews 1847-1947 and continues till 1997. First Edition. Chapters written by residents cover Harrisburg Township communities of Harrisburg, Jenkinsville, Buena Vista, Route #13, Liberty, Cain, Dorrisville, Ledford, Pankeyville and Ingram Hill, Gaskins City, Garden Heights, Muddy, Wasson and Dorris Heights. Chapters also on the Townships of Raleigh, Galatia, Tate, Long Branch, Rector, Eldorado, Cottage, Mountain, Independence, Stonefort, Carrier Mills and Brushy. Other Chapters are Ancestors, Coal Mines, Special Features with sources & bibliography. Over 300 photographs with many in color. Check or Money Order for $40 includes Shipping & Handling. Saline County Genealogical Society PO Box 4 Harrisburg IL 62946-0004 For a complete list of SCGS copyrighted books "Click" below. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsaline/books.htm

In a message dated 1/8/00 4:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Bob Black I read your post to my mother, Dona Lee Syers Baker. She wanted me to ask how your mother is feeling. Also, she wondered if Bernard Elliott was one of your teachers at Goolsby School. Mother's mother, Edna Ruth Crest Syers, taught at Wildcat School, Hickory Hill School and Greer School and mother's sister, Rebecca Emm Syers Lehr taught at Dorsey School and in Equality. Martha Baker Harpling >> Hi Martha My mother Nigel Frohock Black celebrated Christmas and then her 92nd birthday on December 28. Then she rang the Millennium in on Dec 31. But the celebrations were pretty flat to most of us. It was shortly thereafter that we admitted to ourselves and others that she is terminal and has only a short time to live. Renal failure and congestive heart failure. She refused dialysis at her age and is bravely facing the end soon. Her mind is still good but the body just won't support it. Yes, I went to school to Bernard Elliott at Pisgah and then again at Goolsby. I lived with my grandparents Lee and Grace Frohock for a couple of years after the 1937 backwater wiped us out at Gibsonia. I never went to any of the other schools you mention except of course I did go to Equality HS for two years before moving to East Alton/Wood River and graduating HS from there. Thanks for thinking of us out here in New Jersey. Bob Black

Mary Elizabeth Colbert is an ancestor on my mother's side. She married a Charles Richard Tarlton on June 15 1896. Her parents were a James Colbert, born about 1827 in Illinois, and a Mary J. Unknown, born about 1830 in Tennessee. By this information this could possibly be our Mary Elizabeth's mother. Do you have any other information about this family or Mary's children? 1870 Illinois Census, Gallatin County Colbert, James 43 Farmer Illinois $1400 Real estate Mary J. 40 Housewife Tennessee H55 page 3 Equality TW 10 Range 9 B. David Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Banks Cemetery > To B David Duncan > > Mary Frohock married James Colbert (Red Beard) and it was the second marriage > for both. James built a new home for his new bride and it was located on the > road from Kedron to Karbers Ridge about a half mile south of where the > Leamington Road intersects that road. > When I was going to Goolsby School in the late 1930's James Colbert was dead > but Mary still lived there at the foot of the largest hill in that area. My > memory is good on that subject because I walked up that dad blasted hill too > many times going to school. Frank Colbert of Equality could probably tell you > more than I could because he lived a mile or so west of his grandmothers > house and probably walked the hill more times than I did. > > Bob Black >

Bob Black I read your post to my mother, Dona Lee Syers Baker. She wanted me to ask how your mother is feeling. Also, she wondered if Bernard Elliott was one of your teachers at Goolsby School. Mother's mother, Edna Ruth Crest Syers, taught at Wildcat School, Hickory Hill School and Greer School and mother's sister, Rebecca Emm Syers Lehr taught at Dorsey School and in Equality. Martha Baker Harpling

Do you have any information on where the name 'Mary Colbert Hill' came from? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Banks Cemetery > You asked for the location of the Banks Cemetery and I see that someone > answered you re the Bankston Ford Cemetery in Saline Co. > There is also a Banks Cemetery in Gallatin Co, Eagle Creek Township. To get > to it start at your gg grandfather Henry W Koster's farm(in more recent years > the Mora Moore farm) one mile west of Leamington. From that farm go approx > one mile west to what we always called the James Colbert Corner( and later > the Eel Colbert Corner). Turn left (South) and go past the former Elmer > Koster farm and up the Mary Colbert Hill past the old Goolsby School and the > old Guy Casey and Ed Tanner farms, and on South in the direction of Karbers > Ridge for a total of about > 1 1/2 to 2 miles. The Banks Cemetery in on the Right (West) side of the road > just a short distance. However, the last time that I was there was about 3 > or 4 years ago. I got a few scratches on my car and the cemetery itself was > grown up with saplings higher than my head. It was summer and I did not even > get out of the car(yes, I am afraid of snakes). > That was Koster country so you might well have relatives there. Happy > Hunting. > Bob Black >

I'm using Netscape 4.5. Previously, I've been to the site, but not for about 3 weeks. I've tried all the IL searchable databases, & get the same error on all. Frustrating!! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey R.Scherrer To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Marriage index What browser are you using? Sometimes an outdated version will produce such a message. Jeff

Jackie, I just went into the Illinois Marriage site with no problem. Want me to LQQK for someone for you? Sandra Jackie & Zane Smith wrote: > > I'm having trouble accessing the Illinois marriage record index. (http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage) > I keep getting > > "Forbidden > You don't have permission to access / on this server." > > Does anyone else have this problem? > > Jackie Wilson Smith

The Saline County Genealogical Society will be most happy to support the Saline County Tourism Board sponsored "Homecoming Event." We also would support any other county request of this type. We have been supporting visitors by remaining open 20 hours a week for some time now. This brings many old Harrisburg people back into town and also many new genealogy researchers. We have flyers in many business places in the local area. All members of the Society support this activity as well as the Society Officers who visit the library almost every morning now days. For your information, the following e-mail addresses are for the Saline County Genealogical Society board members on the Net. Feel free to contact any one of us if you think we may be of some assistance to you in your research efforts or to schedule visits to the Society Library, etc. Charles Blackman, Historian: [email protected] Donald Duncan, 2nd VP: [email protected] Charles Hankins, Past President: [email protected] Shirley Lanear, 2-year Trustee: [email protected] Grant Riegel, President: [email protected] Karen Stilley, Treasurer & Librarian: [email protected] The Saline County ILGenWeb page coordinator, Cindy Pegg, has done a wonderful job. You can get the membership application for our Society there and the Book order form information! Here is that URL, just click and go... http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsaline/

To B David Duncan Mary Frohock married James Colbert (Red Beard) and it was the second marriage for both. James built a new home for his new bride and it was located on the road from Kedron to Karbers Ridge about a half mile south of where the Leamington Road intersects that road. When I was going to Goolsby School in the late 1930's James Colbert was dead but Mary still lived there at the foot of the largest hill in that area. My memory is good on that subject because I walked up that dad blasted hill too many times going to school. Frank Colbert of Equality could probably tell you more than I could because he lived a mile or so west of his grandmothers house and probably walked the hill more times than I did. Bob Black

I'm having trouble accessing the Illinois marriage record index. (http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage) I keep getting "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server." Does anyone else have this problem? Jackie Wilson Smith

Cindy, You're still coming thru, but I never saw the Rice info. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy Birk Conley <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Rice > I sent a printout of my Rice family information but have not received it > back. Did I get myself unsubscribed from the list or was the post too > long? > > Cindy Birk Conley > Carmi, IL >

This is my GATES/HALEY information. If anyone knows anything about these PLEASE Email me. Phyllis Maulding ELIZA C. GATES b.1-16-1837 Equality, Gallatin County Illinois d.6-4-1916 in the home of her son-in-law OLIVER COY buried Cherry Grove Cemetery Hamilton County, Illinois m (1) MIKE HALEY 1851 (2) EDWARD BURNS 9-9-1858 (in the Illinois marriage index he is listed as BARNES and I am fairly certain the name is wrong.) Children of ELIZA C. GATES and MIKE HALEY 2 unknown HALEY children who are mentioned in her obituary and preceeded her in death. SARAH ELLEN HALEY b.2-1852 Gallatin County, Illinois d.8-4-1933 Frisco, Missouri buried Taylor Cemetery near Essex, Missouir m. LORENZO DOW MAULDING JOHN H. HALEY b.10-28-1859 Hamilton County, Illinois d.9-12-1941 Castor, Stoddard County, Missouri buried West Antioch Cemetery Stoddard County, Missouri m. (1)MARIAN FRANCES GARRETT 4-4-1833 White County, Illinois (2)MARTHA MC CARROLL 1903 Children of ELIZA C. GATES HALEY and EDWARD BURNS CATHERINE (KATY) BURNS b.1859 McLeansboro, Illinois d. 9-23-19129 buried IOOF Cemetery McLeansboro, Illinois MIKE BURNS LIZZIE BURNS m.OLIVER COY EDD BURNS m.CLARA WEDDING lived in Bakersville, California 1916 J.P.BURNS Lived in LaForge, Missouri 1916 C.C. BURNS Lived in Chaffee, Missouri in 1916 2 unnamed BURNS children who preceeded their mother in death.

This is my GATES/HALEY information. If anyone knows anything about these PLEASE Email me. Phyllis Maulding ELIZA C. GATES b.1-16-1837 Equality, Gallatin County Illinois d.6-4-1916 in the home of her son-in-law OLIVER COY buried Cherry Grove Cemetery Hamilton County, Illinois m (1) MIKE HALEY 1851 (2) EDWARD BURNS 9-9-1858 (in the Illinois marriage index he is listed as BARNES and I am fairly certain the name is wrong.) Children of ELIZA C. GATES and MIKE HALEY 2 unknown HALEY children who are mentioned in her obituary and preceeded her in death. SARAH ELLEN HALEY b.2-1852 Gallatin County, Illinois d.8-4-1933 Frisco, Missouri buried Taylor Cemetery near Essex, Missouir m. LORENZO DOW MAULDING JOHN H. HALEY b.10-28-1859 Hamilton County, Illinois d.9-12-1941 Castor, Stoddard County, Missouri buried West Antioch Cemetery Stoddard County, Missouri m. (1)MARIAN FRANCES GARRETT 4-4-1833 White County, Illinois (2)MARTHA MC CARROLL 1903 Children of ELIZA C. GATES HALEY and EDWARD BURNS CATHERINE (KATY) BURNS b.1859 McLeansboro, Illinois d. 9-23-19129 buried IOOF Cemetery McLeansboro, Illinois MIKE BURNS LIZZIE BURNS m.OLIVER COY EDD BURNS m.CLARA WEDDING lived in Bakersville, California 1916 J.P.BURNS Lived in LaForge, Missouri 1916 C.C. BURNS Lived in Chaffee, Missouri in 1916 2 unnamed BURNS children who preceeded their mother in death.

I sent a printout of my Rice family information but have not received it back. Did I get myself unsubscribed from the list or was the post too long? Cindy Birk Conley Carmi, IL

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Here's my WILLIAMS line.... Descendants of James Charles Williams Generation No. 1 1. JAMES CHARLES2 WILLIAMS (UNKNOWN1) was born December 15, 1823 in Lawerence Co., Tenn, and died April 24, 1902 in Karbers Ridge,IL. He married (1) ELIZABETH GRAY April 08, 1847 in Lawrence Co., TN. He married (2) I. ANNA HAWK 1865 in Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL. She died in ILL. Notes for JAMES CHARLES WILLIAMS: Obituary James C. Williams born in Lawrence Co., TN. Dec.15, 1823, departed this life at his home in the village of Karbers Ridge April 24, 1902. He was married to Elizabeth Gray in 1846. Seven children blessed this union, three sons and four daughters James J. Williams, Sarah J., John H., Mary F., Marion W., Lovenia Ann, Margaret Eveline. His companion and two children, Mary Francis and Margaret Eveline preceded him to the spirit world. In 1861 he enlisted in the service of his country and continued faithfully to battle against the "Great Rebellion" till his discharge in 1864. In 1865 he married Anna Curry, widow of the late John Curry, who was also a union soldier. Six children were given to brother Williams by his last marriage; one of whom died quite young. The other five, Thomas M., Charles L., Robert E., Belle, wife of Jonas Spivey and Milas, still live to mourn the loss which no human power can restore. But thanks be to our father, they "Sorrow not even as others which have no hope" for brother Williams professed saving faith in Christ and united with the M.E. Church in Tennessee while quite young, and in 1886 he joined the Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Karbers Ridge, and was ordained a ruling elder. When the church there disorganized, brother Williams attached himself to the same denomination at Central, and lived a faithful member until the Lord called him from labor to reward. A short time before life death, he told his companion that he did not fear to die, for his way was clean; and when his daughter Belle, came to see him, not with standing his feeble condition he even shouted praises to GOD for sparing him to see to her once more in this life. A few minutes before he died he told Robert E. Williams, his son, that he was going home and wanted him to go with him. The funeral was preached by the writer at Central to a large and attentive audience and he was interred in the adjoining cemetery on Friday, April 23, 1902. May Gods grace be with the bereaved-ones, and turn this stroke of divine providence to the salvation of those yet unsaved. by: Ira E. Driver WILLIAMS, JAMES C D 2 CAV (What headstone say's) WILLIAMS, James C.- Recruit- 2nd CAV., Co.D- New Madrid, MO- New Madrid County- 7-16- 63- disch. 8-12-64 Missouri men who enlisted in Illinois Civil War regiments. The list includes all branches of service. The list is abstracted from the nine volume report of the Illinois Adjutant General (published in 1900 by Phillips Brothers). The first eight volumes list Civil War veterans, while volume 9 covers other 19th century wars. Listings in the Adjutant General volumes are by regiment and company. Children of JAMES WILLIAMS and ELIZABETH GRAY are: i. MARION W.3 WILLIAMS, b. 1858; d. 1919, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL(Good Hope Cem.); m. CYNTHIA J. WOMACK; b. July 14, 1858; d. March 25, 1927, Karber Ridge, Hardin Co., IL(Good Hope Cem) ii. JAMES J. WILLIAMS. iii. JOHN H. WILLIAMS. iv. SARAH J. WILLIAMS, d. November 26, 1910, Karbers Ridge,IL; m. FRANK GIDREY. v. MARGARET EVELINE WILLIAMS, d. Bef. 1902. vi. MARY F. WILLIAMS, d. Bef. 1902. 2. vii. LOVENIA ANN WILLIAMS. Children of JAMES WILLIAMS and I. HAWK are: viii. BELLE3 WILLIAMS, b. 1855, Hardin Co., ILL.; d. April 27, 1961, Hardin Co., ILL.; m. JONAS SPIVEY; b. October 07, 1870; d. November 29, 1958. ix. MILAS WILLIAMS, m. ETTA SHIPP. x. THOMAS M. WILLIAMS, b. December 02, 1865; m. MOLLIE PHILLIPS, August 19, 1888. 3. xi. CHARLES LEROY WILLIAMS, b. February 12, 1869, ILL; d. February 1916, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL (Good Hope Cem.). 4. xii. MARY BELLE WILLIAMS, b. June 01, 1874, Hardin Co., ILL.; d. April 27, 1961, Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., ILL.( Central Cem.). xiii. MARGERET ANN WILLIAMS, b. February 13, 1877; d. May 27, 1878. 5. xiv. ROBERT EPRAM WILLIAMS, b. February 18, 1871. xv. E. M. WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1878; m. ETTIE SHIPP, December 27, 1905, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL.; b. Abt. 1882. Generation No. 2 2. LOVENIA ANN3 WILLIAMS (JAMES CHARLES2, UNKNOWN1) She married (1) RILEY WATSON June 05, 1847. She married (2) HENRY PRESTON FRITTS 1882, son of WILLIAM FRITTS and MARTHA MCCORMACK. He was born January 06, 1854 in KY., and died July 31, 1928 in Louisville, KY.. Children of LOVENIA WILLIAMS and HENRY FRITTS are: i. ELSIE4 FRITTS, b. December 10, 1882, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL; d. February 13, 1893, Vincennes, IN.. ii. HARVEY LESTER FRITTS, b. February 19, 1883, Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., IL.; d. September 20, 1951; m. MARY LENA RUSSELLBERG. 6. iii. BELVA ANN FRITTS, b. June 09, 1885. 7. iv. LILLIE JANE FRITTS, b. March 05, 1887, Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., IL.; d. April 08, 1953, Robinson, Crawford Co., IL.. 8. v. ROBERT HENRY FRITTS, b. July 06, 1890, Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., IL.; d. April 07, 1948. vi. JAMES W. FRITTS, b. March 25, 1884; d. April 06, 1884. 3. CHARLES LEROY3 WILLIAMS (JAMES CHARLES2, UNKNOWN1) was born February 12, 1869 in ILL, and died February 1916 in Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL (Good Hope Cem.). He married GEORGIA ETTA PARTAIN February 02, 1896 in Hardin Co., ILL., daughter of JOHN PARTAIN and EMMA HAMILTON. She was born November 04, 1876 in ILL, and died December 01, 1957 in Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL (Good Hope Cem.). Children of CHARLES WILLIAMS and GEORGIA PARTAIN are: 9. i. WILLIAM ARZIE (BILL)4 WILLIAMS, b. 1908; d. 1990, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL(Buried at Good Hope). 10. ii. ELVA WILLIAMS, b. 1897, Hardin Co., ILL.; d. 1969, Harrisburg, ILL. 11. iii. ESSIE JANE WILLIAMS, b. December 17, 1898, Gallatin,ILL; d. October 26, 1975, Herod,IL. 12. iv. CHARLES GRANVILLE (CHARLIE) WILLIAMS, b. June 02, 1916, Gallatin,ILL; d. December 07, 1977, Herod,IL(Buried in Good Hope). 13. v. ETHEL MARIE WILLIAMS, b. January 02, 1906, Saline Mines, Gallatin,ILL; d. November 10, 1987, Harrisburg, ILL( Buried at Good Hope). vi. ELVIS WILLIAMS, b. April 1901, Gallatin Co., IL.; d. February 24, 1921, Muddy, Saline Co., IL. (Buried in Good Hope). 14. vii. PLEAS WILLIAMS, b. October 08, 1912, Gallatin Co., IL; d. May 20, 1943, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL (Good Hope Cem.). viii. GERTIE WILLIAMS, b. June 01, 1903, Gallatin Co., IL; d. February 15, 1904, Karbers Ridge, Hardin Co., IL (Good Hope Cem.). 4. MARY BELLE3 WILLIAMS (JAMES CHARLES2, UNKNOWN1) was born June 01, 1874 in Hardin Co., ILL., and died April 27, 1961 in Elizabethtown, Hardin Co., ILL.( Central Cem.). She married JONAS SPIVEY September 01, 1892, son of JOHN SPIVEY and LUCY UNKNOWN. He was born October 07, 1870, and died November 29, 1958. Denise Gibbs Kneifel [email protected] Http://members.aol.com/DeniseK322/index.html GIBBS KNEIFEL LANGEL/LENGYEL WILLIAMS PARTAIN MILLIGAN WOMACK WHITE PULLINS WANDRY ZINN...and many more

I am not aware of any Gates in our line. I have some marriages for Illinois that I will enter. Maybe a Gates will be among the names listed. Elizabeth

Elizabeth What Gates line do you have? Looking for information on Squire Gates and Luther Gates. Sharon D.

Hi Glenn, That would have been more than likely a United Mine Workers of America Local. Since all locals are closed down now, you would need to write to: UMWA 117 S 5th St Springfield, IL 62701 or The Progressive Mine Workers of America at: PMWA 314 E Adams St Springfield, IL 62701 All IL State records are maintained upstate now! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: [ILGALLAT] Re: Union Local 794 Eldorado > Trying to find information on a local union "Local 794". Interested in > details of the union local, who it represented, and what trade. Trying to > get information on a cemetery plot that the Local has (had) in Eldorado. > Thanks, Glenn. >