I don't know what they charge, but I'm pretty sure they don't have e-mail. Jon Musgrave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage Info. > Does anyone know how much the Gallatin County Courthouse charges for copies > of a marriage certificate and if they have an e-mail address? According to > one record Ann Stilly married Stephen Chambers in Gallatin County, Illinois > on July ll, l830, Page l2(The Book, Gallatin County, ILL marriages). Is > anyone familiar with the courthouse records of Gallatin County to know if > that sounds like proper vol. and page no. information? > > Any info. anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > Bonnie > [email protected] > >

Bonnie, They charge $5.00 and I have seen no mention of an e-mail address. I ordered my copies by writing letters and enclosing checks. Mary Ann Webber

Does anyone know how much the Gallatin County Courthouse charges for copies of a marriage certificate and if they have an e-mail address? According to one record Ann Stilly married Stephen Chambers in Gallatin County, Illinois on July ll, l830, Page l2(The Book, Gallatin County, ILL marriages). Is anyone familiar with the courthouse records of Gallatin County to know if that sounds like proper vol. and page no. information? Any info. anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. Bonnie [email protected]

Surnames: PIRTLE Submitter: Reba Carroll ([email protected]) Date: 21 Jan 2000 I am searching for information on Elijah Pirtle who married Sarah Butts in Gallatin Co., IL sometime after 1870. He was in Hamilton Co., IL in the 1870 Census.

-----Original Message----- From: C Mart Watson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Saline County Homecoming >The Saline County Tourism Board has approved going forward with a "Southern Illinois Homecoming" (formerly Saline County Homecoming) event. The tentative date is September 2-3 (Labor Day Weekend). Mark your calendar. We will keep you informed as things progress. >

Martha, Re: Martha Vinyard One Myrtle Vinyard lived in southern part of Eagle Creek Township. She was born Oct 4, 1900 and died March 2, 1931. Buried at Vinyard Cemetery in Karbers Ridge. She married John Watters. She was the dau of John Oliver Vinyard and the g dau of Anderson and Emaline Vinyard and would have gone to Goolsby School. However, Goolsby was at one time called Hickory Ridge School. Don't know when it was named Goolsby. Yes there was another Hickory Ridge School in (I believe) Equality Township. If this Myrtle Vinyard matches yours, Nancy (Watters) Marti should be able to give you more info than I can. Bob B

Nancy, The Saline County Genealogical Society has a scrapbook from the 1910s put together by a student at Equality High School. There are various photographs in it, but I don't remember if they have names with them. I gone through the photos because they have a great picture of some students in an old car on the old iron bridge at Equality, another set of pictures of the steps carved into the cliffs below the town, and some other town photos. The Society should have information on where they got the scrapbook which might lead to some names of the people in the photos Jon Musgrave www.IllinoisHistory.com The Saline County ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: QExpress for Gallatin Co., Illinois ( VINYARD ) > <table border=0> > <tr><td valign=top> > <b>Surnames: </b></td> > <td valign=top> <A NAME="sh_Q_017115936">VINYARD </A><br> > </td></tr> > <tr><td valign=top><b>Submitter: </b></td> > <td valign=top>Nancy > (<A HREF=mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]</A>)<br> > </td></tr> > <tr><td valign=top><b>Date: </b></td> > <td valign=top>17 Jan 2000 > <br></td></tr> > <td valign=top colspan=2> > <br> > I am searching for anyone who would have photos of students from the Equality area between the period 1907 and 1916. I am trying to locate a photo of my grandmother, Myrtle Vinyard. I don't know exactly what school in the Equality area she attended. > <br></td></tr></table>

Surnames: LEDBETTER Submitter: Elizabeth Golembiewski ([email protected]) Date: 17 Jan 2000 I am looking for info on Henry Ledbetter. He lived in Gallatin Co. early 1800 He was married to Charity Edwards I would like to know where he is buried I plan a trip to southern Illinois this summer and want to visit his and Cahritys grave. Thanks for any help you can give Elizabeth

For the person (ooooh bad memory on who and which county--sorry!): I was able to locate my partial copy of the Illinois 1850 Gallatin Co. Census and on it are the following TARRANTS:James E. TARRANTS, age 30, laborer Mary Tarrants,24 Haldah A. , age 7 William H. ,age 5 David S. , age 1 The above were all in Household # 136, Cane Creek Township. In household # 58 (Bear Creek Township) I find: Asa B. Tarrants age 31, farmer; Mary age 24, James A. age 8, Betsy J. age 7, Thomas J. age 5, and William E. age 3. In household # 63, Bear Creek Township: James TARRANTS, age 58, farmer; Jane age 56;Mary J. age 21; and in the same household were Benjamin F.BRUCE age 25 farmer, and Tabitha W. BRUCE, age 23. If anyone knows anything about Benjamin and Tabitha BRUCE I'd love to chat with you. I hope the data on the TARRANT family is what you needed. I suspect that James and Asa TARRANTS were probably sons of the elder James and his wife Jane. Jane was Shawnee Indian and the mother of Isoville/ Isavilla TARRANT b. abt 1826 that married William T. PRITCHETT. Sincerely: Carol Dugger RESEARCHING; DUGGER,EDWARDS, PRITCHETT, BRUCE

Questions about age of tombstone, special markings, how to do rubbings, etc.? Check out this site. http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Some Barbara

Nancy, Vinyards attended schools all over Gallatin County. In the book, One Room Schools in Gallatin County, Illinois, by Lucille Lawler, Vinyards attended Cedar Bluff School, Goolsby School, Greer School, Gum Springs School and Kedron School. Do you know where in Gallatin County Myrtle Vinyard lived? My grandmother, Edna Ruth Crest Syers, went to school in Equality, and graduated from Equality Township High School I believe in 1917. I have her senior annual and will check it for your grandmother's name. I am also looking for a picture of her when she was a teacher at Wildcat School, Hickory Hill School and Greer School around 1920. Jon, I would be very interested in finding out about the pictures in the scrapbook myself. The Crests farmed outside of Equality just past where the old iron bridge was and lived on the hill by the rocks. Martha Baker Harpling

Dear JoAnn, I see you also have Willis's. My great-grandmother was Sarah Jane WILLIS, b. 26 Oct 1852 in IL. Her father was John P. WILLIS, and her grandfather was Archibald P. WILLIS. Does this sound like your line also? Thank you, Elizabeth Ordway [email protected]

Hi, So good of you to respond. My GGGrandmother, Margaret SHOEMAKER (also sometimes spelled SHEWMAKER) was b. 7 Oct. 1812 in PA. She m. Peter HINE, b. 5 Sept. 1805, also in PA. They m. 8 April 1830, in Greensburg, Westmoreland, PA, and moved to Gallatin Co. sometime after 1850. Margaret's parents were George SHOEMAKER, b. in Germany and m. to Margaret MILLER 30 April 1796 in Loudon Co., VA. George d. in 1821 in Plum Creek Twp., Armstrong Co. PA. Would be great if we could find a Shoemaker connection here! Thank you, Elizabeth Ordway [email protected] In a message dated 01/16/2000 4:18:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #12 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:35:55 -0600 From: "B. David Duncan" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Re: Rollcall I have allot of Shoemaker's on my mom's side of the family. Abraham and his daughter Elizabeth, who married into the Womacks which goes into my mom's family. >>

I have a cousins relationship chart, but haven't learned to use my scanner yet. Since it's a chart, would be awful to type. I'll try to work on it today and send it to the list! Sandra "Carol E. Valantine Dugger" wrote: > > Oh boy, you've got me there, Carolyn! I cheat because I use the Family > Tree Maker program and when you click on "View" and go click on" Kinship > Report" it calculates your relationship with the selected parties for > you. Somewhere in my files, (buried deep because I just got everything > moved into it's own dedicated room and it is sitting in stacks all over > the table) I have an old news article that tells about relationships, > but can't find it right now. Don't know if FTM online will have that or > not. > > Sorry not to be able to help you. I think "removed" means that you share > one set of grandparents or something like that, but am not positive. > I'll dig around and see if I can find it and will post it when I do. > > Carol Dugger

The correct address for David Sylvester's page is http://members.mint.net/dws/ Go to "Dave's Genealogy Page" then to "Download my Electronic Relationship Chart". He has links of other relationship type charts/calculators. Jackie Wilson Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: [ILGALLAT] Re: ILGALLAT-D Digest V00 #15 Somebody asked how you can tell what a relationship is between two people. I cannot figure out either, but someone sent me these two web sites as references. Hope it helps. Liesa <A HREF="http://homepage.interaccess.com/~arduinif/tools/cousins.htm">Cousins & Cousinhood</A> <A HREF="http://www.agate.net/~davids/_genea/dl01.htm">Relat ionship download page</A>

Thanks to all who responded about the cousin relationships mystery. I appreciate your time and your willingness to share your knowledge! I had a great time looking through all the charts on David Sylvester's site and now I can "talk the talk" on that subject. - Carolyn

At 04:17 AM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote: >I think "removed" means that you share one set of grandparents or >something like that, but am not positive. Carol and Carolyn, Pardon my "butting in" <G>, but I've worked a bit with trying to figure out some of these relationships - they can certainly be a bit trying, to say the least! Ha! Trying - heck, they can be downright maddening..... If you are first cousins, you share a set of grandparents (one of your parents, and one of THEIR parents, are siblings). You are first cousins, once removed, with your first cousin's children; likewise, your children would be first cousins, once removed, with your first cousin. An example of a first cousin, twice removed, would be you and your first cousin's grandchildren. Second cousins share a common set of great-grandparents. So, an example of second cousins, once removed, would be you and the children of your second cousin. And so on and so forth through the dizzying examples.... I'm all for using my own copy of Family Tree Maker to figure this all out!!! <G> Skip - in sunny <!> MN (yeah, right, you betcha!)

Somebody asked how you can tell what a relationship is between two people. I cannot figure out either, but someone sent me these two web sites as references. Hope it helps. Liesa <A HREF="http://homepage.interaccess.com/~arduinif/tools/cousins.htm">Cousins & Cousinhood</A> <A HREF="http://www.agate.net/~davids/_genea/dl01.htm">Relat ionship download page</A>

Hello, Happy to hear from you. You have to be related isn't that great we found a cousin. Do you know where in Kentucky Dave Williams was born? My husband is related to Mark Downen....husbands grandfather. Hilas Hunter Downen was his father. They were born Gallatin County, Ill. The John P. Kinsall, we don't know who he is either....he simply signed the death certificate...but sounds like the same person that you are related to. Sally Kinsall, in my line was my grandmother Jane's sister. Don't know who William J. Downen is but he must be related. Have you any Downens. You must be related to my mother's side of the family...she Reba Dode Downen married Hilas Hunter Downen. Would like to ask you....do you know if any of the above ancestors Kinsall....Williams...etc....ever came from Virginia?? Nice to meet you Kes Truelove....p.s. Have you any Wades in your line...Cassie Wade, I believe was from Wadesville, Indiana. Waiting to hear from you. Jackie Downen (overcast...very unusual-) California. -----Original Message----- From: Kes & Sandy Truelove <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2000 11:39 PM Subject: [ILGALLAT] Kinsall - Williams >From: Jackie <[email protected]> >Date: January 15, 2000 2:20 PM > > >"Hi am researching these names; HENRY WILLIAMS, date of birth; August 3, >1855. Wife JANE WILLIAMS. Henry's parents; DAVE WILLIAMS (Kentucky) mother; >CLARISSA PORTER. Informamant on death certificate of Henry Williams; August >19, 1921 Omaha, Illinois...(informant) JOHN P. KINSALL....searching >KINSALL....WILLIAMS....DOWNEN'S.....PORTER. Would like to know where in >Kentucky Dave Williams was from? Any help would be much appreciated. Thank >you, Jackie Downen sunny California" > >Hi Jackie, > I can't hep much on the WILLIAMS family but I do have information to >share on the KINSALL family if you would like to correspond with me. > > I am descended from Margaret Jane KINSALL who married William Laffett >BLACKARD. Margaret was the daughter of Benjamin KINSALL, Sr. and Eliza >LANGFORD. > > I have a Henry WILLIAMS m Precilla Jane KINSALL on March 1, 1876 in >Gallatin Co, Illinois. The marriage is kinda tricky to find because she is >listed as "June KINSALE" in the Illinois State Marriage Index that is on the >internet. Precilla Jane is the daughter of David M. KINSALL and Cordelia E. >DAVIS, and the granddaughter of John KINSALL and Elizabeth B. Hancock. >(John was a brother of my Benjamin). > > I don't know who the John P. KINSALL is. I have several John KINSALLs >but none with a middle initial of "P" that I know of. I do have a Joseph >Polk KINSALL b 1851 d 1937 (a brother of my Margaret) I also have a John S. >KINSALL b abt 1863 and was a younger brother of Precilla Jane. > > Are you related to William J. DOWNEN and his wife, Barbara A. KINSALL ?? > > > Kes Truelove, from the not so sunny >Valparaiso, Indiana > >

Oh boy, you've got me there, Carolyn! I cheat because I use the Family Tree Maker program and when you click on "View" and go click on" Kinship Report" it calculates your relationship with the selected parties for you. Somewhere in my files, (buried deep because I just got everything moved into it's own dedicated room and it is sitting in stacks all over the table) I have an old news article that tells about relationships, but can't find it right now. Don't know if FTM online will have that or not. Sorry not to be able to help you. I think "removed" means that you share one set of grandparents or something like that, but am not positive. I'll dig around and see if I can find it and will post it when I do. Carol Dugger