Dear Lists, One of my contacts gave me this site to locate a book published in 1964 pertaining to my Henckel (and all spelling variations) line. A store in Amsterdam actually had it!! I ordered it within 48 hours of locating. It's supposed to take about 3 weeks to arrive (yes I am counting the days). I've also checked it for a book written in 1952 about the Hertzler-Hartzler family, which a store in Vermont has. Unfortunately, that one is out of my price range ($125 + $5 s&h). Thought this might help others. http://www.bibliofind.com/ Jackie Wilson Smith

Dear Carla, Welcome to the list! I think the chances are pretty good that your idea is sound. The two males ages 16-20 and 20-30 would be the two boys who have families by 1850. How old are children in 1850? If you make them 10 years younger, would they fit into this family pattern in 1840? If they already have lots of kids , or kids over age 10 or so in 1850, then they probably aren't from this family. But, I think you're on the right track. Let me know what you find out! Again, welcome! Linda in Utah Raventree, Mark & Carla wrote: > Dear List, > This is my first posting with you. > > I would like to know if anyone can tell me anything about this Mary Hays. > 1840 GALLATIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS CENSUS > Mary Hayes > Males > 2 10-15 > 1 16-20 > 1 20-30 > Females > 1 5-10 > 1 50-60 > > I have a Mary Carter who married Ruban Hays. They were from Tennessee. In > 1850 John and William Hays, their sons, show up in Hamilton County, Illinois > with their wives and families. They married Townsend sisters.They are > enumerated in that census. How they got there is still a mystery for me. > > I am wondering if this Mary Hays might be Ruban's widow since there is no > older man listed in the above census item. I have more on the Hays family in > McLeansboro if it would help. > Always Willing to Share, > Carla Dunlap Krehbiel > [email protected]

Dear List, This is my first posting with you. I would like to know if anyone can tell me anything about this Mary Hays. 1840 GALLATIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS CENSUS Mary Hayes Males 2 10-15 1 16-20 1 20-30 Females 1 5-10 1 50-60 I have a Mary Carter who married Ruban Hays. They were from Tennessee. In 1850 John and William Hays, their sons, show up in Hamilton County, Illinois with their wives and families. They married Townsend sisters.They are enumerated in that census. How they got there is still a mystery for me. I am wondering if this Mary Hays might be Ruban's widow since there is no older man listed in the above census item. I have more on the Hays family in McLeansboro if it would help. Always Willing to Share, Carla Dunlap Krehbiel [email protected]

I am new to the list and seeking any information for the following. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Christinna Waters Beam gg-grandmother (widow of Jesse Alonzo Beam) ...m. Cornelius Halley Gallatin Co, 9/14/1868 + Charles Halley married Eliza Schufflebarger, Pope Co. 11/28/1886 Notes: Apparently, Cornelius and Christinna were dead by 1886. Ella (half-sister to Charles) and Wm. Aldridge were guardians for Charles and granted permission for Charles to marry.

I have been looking for this man for so long. Dr. Adam Wolfe was born March 5,. 1807 in TN and died March 9, 1889 in IL. He is buried in Mt. Oval Cemetery. He married Mary F. West in Connorsville, IN in 1838. His children were Mary C. Wolfe Grahm Burton b. 1840 John Melvin Wolfe b. 1848 William W. Wolfe b. 1849 Susan Virginia Wolfe Morris b. 1852 Sarah M. Wolfe Bozarth b. 1853 I need Adam's parents and anything else anyone knows about his children or grandchildren. Connie Sieveking

Just a little genealogical humor.... Jackie Dollarhide's Rules For Genealogy 1. Treat the brothers and sisters of your ancestors as equals....even if some of them were in jail. 2. Death certificates are rarely filled in by the person who died. 3. When visiting a funeral home, wear old clothes, no make-up, and look like you have about a week to live...the funeral director will give you anything you ask if he thinks you may be a customer soon. 4. The cemetery where your ancestor was buried does not have perpetual care, has no office, is accessible only by a muddy road, has snakes, tall grass, and lots of bugs...and many of the old gravestones are in broken pieces , stacked in a corner under a pile of dirt. 5. A Social Security form SS-5 is better than a birth certificate because few people had anything to do with the information on their own birth certificate. 6. The application for a death certificate you want insists that you provide the maiden name of the deceased's mother...which is exactly what you don't know and is the reason you are trying to get the death certificate in the first place. 7. If you call Social Security and ask where to write for a birth certificate, tell them it is for yourself...they won't help you if you say you want one for your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather who died in 1642. 8. When you contact the state vital statistics office in your home state and ask if they are "on-line" and they respond, "on what?," you may have a problem. 9. A census record showing all twelve children in a family proves only that your ancestors did not believe in birth control. 10. Work from the known to the unknown. In other words, just because your name is Washington doesn't mean you are related to George. 11. With any luck, some of the people in your family could read and write .... and may have left something written about themselves. 12. It ain't history until it's written down. (See #19) 13. A genealogist needs to be a detective. Just gimme da facts, ma'am. 14. Always interview brothers and sisters together in the same room. Since they can't agree on anything about the family tree, it makes for great fun to see who throws the first punch. 15. The genealogy book you just found out about went out of print last week. 16. A good genealogical event is learning that your parents were really married. 17. Finding the place a person lived may lead to finding that person's arrest record. 18. It's really quite simple. First you start with yourself, then your parents, then your grandparents... then you QUIT . . .and start teaching classes in genealogy. 19. If it's not written down, it ain't history yet. (See #12) 20. In spite of MTV, computer games, and skate boards, there is always a chance that your grandchildren will learn how to read someday. 21. "To understand the living, you have to commune with the dead, but don't commune with the dead so long that you forget that you are living!" (From Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt) by William Dollarhide at: http://www.genealogybulletin.com/HTML/rules.html

I was surfing tonight, and found this article on "Census Day." Thought it was rather interesting, & others might also. http://www.genealogybulletin.com/HTML/current.html Jackie Wilson Smith

In a recent message, Bonnie asked about the cost of Marriage License's from Gallatin County, and a couple of accurate responses were posted. She also asked about a web site or some such source of information about marriages in Gallatin County. I have found a really splendid site provided by the Illinois state government in Springfield. They have a searchable database that has a wealth of information in it. The main web site is called the Illinois State Archives, and its address is: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/arc_home.html The specific page leading to the marriage information is: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html Good Hunting! Mike Chambers

Our condolences to Bob Black for the loss of his Mother, Nigel Frohock Black. We are all very sorry for his loss. OBITUARY Nigel M Black died at 3:15 AM today at her apartment in Summerville at Stafford, Manahawkin, NJ. She was born in Eagle Creek Township, Gallatin County, Illinois on December 28, 1907, daughter of the late Robert Lee and Grace Jennings Frohock. She was a former resident of Junction and Harrisburg, Illinois and Newburgh, IN, Edison, NJ, and Alton, IL She married James Isaac Black and he preceded her in death on July 30, 1990. She is survived by a son, John Robert (Bob) Black, daughter-in-law Ruth J Black, both of Cedar Run, NJ, a grandson Dennis Lee Black of Brielle, NJ; a granddaughter Linda Weber and husband Carl Weber of Lambertville, NJ, and two great grandchildren Connor Weber and Aaron Weber, one sister Hazel Wooley of East Alton, IL and one brother Dwight Frohock of Colorado Springs, CO., and 21 Nieces and Nephews. Nigel professed faith in Christ and was Baptized at an early age. At the time of her death she was a member of the Presbyterian Church at Tuckerton, NJ. Prior to that she had been a member of the Presbyterian Churches at Newburgh, IN and Metuchen NJ, the Baptist Churches of Dorrisville and Alton, IL, and the Methodist Church of Shawneetown, IL. Viewing of the body will be 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM Jan 31, 2000 at Vickery Chapel, Shawneetown, IL and the Funeral Services will be at 11:00 AM after the viewing. and will be officiated by the Rev William Keeney of Newburgh, IN. Burial will follow in Elmwood Cemetery, Equality, Ill where she will lie alongside her husband.

Hello again, I have begun reviewing my information. This far, Joseph McGehee and Sally Boardwine seem to fit. also, I am having a little problem with Joseph McGehee and Sarah Ann Billups fitting my immediate ancestors. Does this appear to you to be the same Joseph? It does to me. My Sam would be older than the Sam listed in the census, and Joseph looks a little like he could be a brother to my Daniel. I'll keep working---- Elizabeth

Hello Bea Don't really know anything to write about but wanted to tell you Hi and let you know I was thinking about you . Sure wish I had some of your Aunt and Uncles energy I think mine has got up and deserted me have no oomph here . Your Putter Friend Paulette

Joann, Thank you so very much!!! Jackie Wilson Smith

Surnames: TAYLOR WOODFORK Submitter: Dianna ([email protected]) Date: 24 Jan 2000 Looking for any information on Charles B Taylor. He was married to Jennie Woodfork in 1883 in Gallatin Co. They had 6 children Pat, Mike, Eathel,Helen Maude & Jean. They moved to Ok. around 1902. Jennie was said to be full blood indian ,Chocataw i think. It is believed that Charlies dad was named John and was born in Ill. and his grandfather born in Tenn. Thanks Dianna

Does anyone have access to the 1860 & 1870 Census to do a look-up? (Gallatin Co., of course) Specifically, I am looking for the household of Asa B. Tarrant, age in 1860 would be abt 42. Generally, I am looking for any/all Tarrant's. (Variant name spellings: Tarrants, Tarrance) Thanks, Jackie Wilson Smith

1860, Gallatin Co. IL. Census 1290: Tarrant, Asa B. 41 Farmer 800 400 KY. Mary A. 35 KY. James A. 18 IL. Elizabeth J, 14 Thomas J. 14 Mary C. 9 Asa Laf. 5 (All children from IL.) Robert F. 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` 1291: Tarrant, James E. 40 Farmer TN. Arrinda 24 TN. Huldy A. 17 F. IL. William H. 16 David S. 12 James A. 9 John S. 7 James W. 4 (All children from IL.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1376: James Tarrent age 65 and from TN. is living with: Pritchett, William 35 (TN.) and wife Isavilla 35 (IL) with children, David 9, IL., Meada 4, James 2. ( all children from IL). Hope this helps. I don't have the 1870. Joann Green Coleman

According to the Archives Marriage Record Index this record is listed Vol 1 page 8. Karen [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone know how much the Gallatin County Courthouse charges for copies > of a marriage certificate and if they have an e-mail address? According to > one record Ann Stilly married Stephen Chambers in Gallatin County, Illinois > on July ll, l830, Page l2(The Book, Gallatin County, ILL marriages). Is > anyone familiar with the courthouse records of Gallatin County to know if > that sounds like proper vol. and page no. information? > > Any info. anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > Bonnie > [email protected]

I just got one this week. The cost is $5.00 and you must enclose a SASE. [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > ILGALLAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 21 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage I [[email protected]] > #2 Re: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marria ["Jon Musgrave" <[email protected]>] > #3 Re: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marria [[email protected]] > #4 [ILGALLAT] QExpress for Gallatin C [[email protected] (Mike Chambers] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ILGALLAT-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage Info. > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:00:51 EST > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Does anyone know how much the Gallatin County Courthouse charges for copies > of a marriage certificate and if they have an e-mail address? According to > one record Ann Stilly married Stephen Chambers in Gallatin County, Illinois > on July ll, l830, Page l2(The Book, Gallatin County, ILL marriages). Is > anyone familiar with the courthouse records of Gallatin County to know if > that sounds like proper vol. and page no. information? > > Any info. anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > Bonnie > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage Info. > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:17:45 -0600 > From: "Jon Musgrave" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I don't know what they charge, but I'm pretty sure they don't have e-mail. > > Jon Musgrave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 2:00 PM > Subject: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage Info. > > > Does anyone know how much the Gallatin County Courthouse charges for > copies > > of a marriage certificate and if they have an e-mail address? According > to > > one record Ann Stilly married Stephen Chambers in Gallatin County, > Illinois > > on July ll, l830, Page l2(The Book, Gallatin County, ILL marriages). Is > > anyone familiar with the courthouse records of Gallatin County to know if > > that sounds like proper vol. and page no. information? > > > > Any info. anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Bonnie > > [email protected] > > > > > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [ILGALLAT] Gallatin Co. Marriage Info. > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:33:18 EST > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Bonnie, > They charge $5.00 and I have seen no mention of an e-mail address. I ordered > my copies by writing letters and enclosing checks. > > Mary Ann Webber > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [ILGALLAT] QExpress for Gallatin Co., Illinois ( STRONG CREMEANS SANDERSON RICH RICHE MCGHEE ANDERS ) > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:41:23 -0800 > From: [email protected] (Mike Chambers) > To: [email protected] > > Surnames: STRONG CREMEANS SANDERSON RICH RICHE MCGHEE ANDERS > Submitter: Mike Chambers ([email protected]) > Date: 23 Jan 2000 > > I recently posted a query about Charles R. Strong and Mary Elizabeth Cremeans, and got a home run with the Cremeans line. > I am now also looking for information about George Washington Sanderson and Ellen Isabelle Rich/Riche, and the families they came from. These two were both born in Gallatin County, and they were married there in 1879. He was 20 yrs old at the time, and his parents were Thomas Sanderson and Mary McGhee. She was 17 yrs old at the time, and her parents were George Rich/Riche and Ellen Anders. > I have been told that the children resulting from this marriage were Edward Sanderson, Pearl Sanderson, and Myrtle Sanderson. > Any information at all that can be provided about any of these people would be very much appreciated.

I got this from another list and thought you might be interested. Phyllis ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] (Phyllis Campbell) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:14:11 GMT Subject: index rare books

http://members.aol.com/rarebk/ This came through on another list to me and it has the index of surnames for many rare old books. Very interesting site. ___http://members.aol.com/rarebk/___________________________

Surnames: STRONG CREMEANS SANDERSON RICH RICHE MCGHEE ANDERS Submitter: Mike Chambers ([email protected]) Date: 23 Jan 2000 I recently posted a query about Charles R. Strong and Mary Elizabeth Cremeans, and got a home run with the Cremeans line. I am now also looking for information about George Washington Sanderson and Ellen Isabelle Rich/Riche, and the families they came from. These two were both born in Gallatin County, and they were married there in 1879. He was 20 yrs old at the time, and his parents were Thomas Sanderson and Mary McGhee. She was 17 yrs old at the time, and her parents were George Rich/Riche and Ellen Anders. I have been told that the children resulting from this marriage were Edward Sanderson, Pearl Sanderson, and Myrtle Sanderson. Any information at all that can be provided about any of these people would be very much appreciated.