In a message dated 2/24/03 6:57:49 AM Central Standard Time, GBORGRINK writes: << I have the 1880 census on CD. It does show relationships. >> Thanks Gloria ! I think I'm getting spoiled by having this census online. I also have the CDs; but it didn't occur to me to check to see if there was a different format with the CD. About this family....there is still the mystery of "where is William B. Snyder?" and why is Elizabeth's name now Wensinger? Could it be Johanna Frederick (daughter of Elizabeth) was Johanna Elizabeth Wensinger (or Elizabeth Johanna Wensinger) who married Isaac or Jacob Snyder and later a Mr. Frederick? If my math is right, Johanna would have been about 18yrs when Wm. B. was born? Lyde