Lawyers were also paid by the word. If they weren't creative writers they didn't eat very well. Someone once told me that if I took all of whereas, therfore and other junk words out of a legal document I would be able to understand it. Pj

These reviews from List are all very interesting and helpful for some of us who have none of these tools; but might be considering one of the subscriptions. Thanks for all the opinions !! Lyde

You know, I am a little bit miffed at Ancestry.com. I did purchase the yearly access because they sent me an email that said they had the index for 1920 and 1930 for IL. But when I joined and paid my dues, I found out that they meant "partial". I have not found any of my family in either index, and the 1910 census is not indexed -- With my dial up connection, loading one census page takes over 5 minutes to view; so I spent over 3 hours just on one township alone! So I gave up. When I did a search for that name in other areas of the site, I always got the message that I would have to give them more money. Would it help me or would I be throwing my money away again? I didn't want to risk it. So I'm back to searching the old fashioned way. But I sure hope others have better luck than I did! Valerie (Still looking for Etta "MAY" INGRAM LONGWELL WAGNER (daughter of Schuyler County residents Uriah and Permelia INGRAM) May INGRAM was b 1879 Plymouth, Hancock IL, Married Thomas Longwell in 1896 Washington Iowa, Married C H Wagner in 1903 Monmouth, Warren Co IL, ***THEN SHE VANISHED*** until found in her bro's obit living in Vermont Fulton Co 1944 -------Children? Unknown. Died? Unknown.Remarried? Unknown. As of Dec 2002 my great grandmother May WAGNER still missing) > But, in any event, although Ancestry suggests they have indexed 1870 > IL, as far as I can determine only Cook Co. is actually indexed. > That would explain why your Zittles didn't show up on that 1870 > index. > > Margaret

Valerie, re Ancestry & census index - I had the same experience and, like you, didn't know they were "partial". Thus I couldn't even find people I know were there. I don't think I'll pay any of 'em that much again. -Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [ILFULTON] Ancestry.com > > You know, I am a little bit miffed at Ancestry.com. I did purchase the > yearly access because they sent me an email that said they had the index for > 1920 and 1930 for IL. But when I joined and paid my dues, I found out that > they meant "partial". > > I have not found any of my family in either index, and the 1910 census is not > indexed -- With my dial up connection, loading one census page takes over 5 > minutes to view; so I spent over 3 hours just on one township alone! So I > gave up. > > When I did a search for that name in other areas of the site, I always got > the message that I would have to give them more money. Would it help me or > would I be throwing my money away again? I didn't want to risk it. > > So I'm back to searching the old fashioned way. > > But I sure hope others have better luck than I did! > > Valerie > > (Still looking for Etta "MAY" INGRAM LONGWELL WAGNER (daughter of Schuyler > County residents Uriah and Permelia INGRAM) May INGRAM was b 1879 Plymouth, > Hancock IL, Married Thomas Longwell in 1896 Washington Iowa, Married C H > Wagner in 1903 Monmouth, Warren Co IL, ***THEN SHE VANISHED*** until found > in her bro's obit living in Vermont Fulton Co 1944 -------Children? Unknown. > Died? Unknown.Remarried? Unknown. As of Dec 2002 my great grandmother May > WAGNER still missing) > > > > But, in any event, although Ancestry suggests they have indexed 1870 > > IL, as far as I can determine only Cook Co. is actually indexed. > > That would explain why your Zittles didn't show up on that 1870 > > index. > > > > Margaret > > > > ==== ILFULTON Mailing List ==== > If you need help getting on or off this list, or switching subscribe mode, > please email your ILFulton List Admin, Alice Stipak <[email protected]> --always happy to help! > >

PJ wrote: > My grandmothers were born in the 1800's. The style of > handwriting then is not like it is today. Letters, especially >capital letters, were entirely different. The "T" & "Y", >and the "P"& "R" are easy to confuse. Very true. "S" and "L" are also often mistaken. And sometimes "F" & "T," especially when standing alone as in a middle initial. Margaret

Tina wrote: > The 1870 census for Fulton Co. Il. is indexed on line here at >rootsweb. I have been for the longest time trying to figure >out where my ZITTLE family disappeared to from >1860 -1870. The index for 1870 did not include >any ZITTLE's from Fulton Co. I always get confused by Rootsweb vs. Ancestry, since I think Ancestry actually owns Rootsweb now. So when you write the index at Rootsweb, Tina, do you mean a separate Rootsweb index or the index at Ancestry? Is there a Rootsweb index for 1870 IL? I'm always looking for indexes :-) But, in any event, although Ancestry suggests they have indexed 1870 IL, as far as I can determine only Cook Co. is actually indexed. That would explain why your Zittles didn't show up on that 1870 index. Margaret

I happen to have a subcription to both ... but, when viewing census material ... I really don't know which one is better, but I can tell you that I prefer using ancestry.com 99% of the time .. I have found a lot of material there ... I haven't even looked at genealogy.com recently to see if they have even indexed the 1930 census like ancestry.com has. I guess I just like the way it looks and feels to me ... it is a personal thing ... hope this helps, happy hunting, Bryan On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:08:41 -0500 Cindy Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > Hope you can answer this one for me. A friend > is looking at a yearlong > online (gift) subscription with the purpose of > accessing online census > images. Has anyone had experience with either > ancestry.com or > genealogy.com or have another suggestion? If > you were to chose, which > do you think provides the best bang for the > buck? > > > Thanks, Cindy > > > ==== ILFULTON Mailing List ==== > Can't handle so many messages from us every > day? > Don't quit the ILFulton list, just switch to > DIGEST MODE -- > Digest Mode delivers batches of up to 25 > messages in 1, not one at a time! > >

Not mispelled - just spelled differently. It is hard for those of us in the 20th century education to understand that before the social security system (1930's) and driver's license (1920's) people did not have an attachment to the spelling of a name. The name was spelled however the person writing down wanted to spell it. In fact it was a sign of an educated person to be able to spell a name several ways and you will find this in some deeds where there may be 5 or 6 different spellings in the same document. In one class I went to a lecturer had a deed the spelled the man's name 11 different ways. It was said, reportedly by an early President that "I would not trust a lawyer who could spell a name only one way." This was because if he was not educated enough to spell a name several ways, he was probably not a very good lawyer. SO don't say mispelled as that implies a mistake, it was just spelled differently. Julia Coldren-Walker

I have both. Ancestry has index for 1920, 1850 and before and is working on the 1930 census as well as the AIS indexes. Genealogy has 1870, 1900 and is working on 1910 indexes. On things other than census, ancestry has more databases including historical newspapers, british parish records but if you want everything it will cost you around 200. Genealogy has a local history database of the old county histories from 1880-1920 but that costs you 80 dollars and is not included in any package. If you want any of their packages you have to buy the Family Tree Maker, even if you already have it or another program. Their customer service person told me to just throw it away if you don't want it. Their package is also about 200 dollars. Julia Coldren-Walker

I'm sure the list is getting tired of my little notes but I can't help this one. I subscribed to ancestry.com so that I could access at work. Slowly some of the other systems (usgenweb.com, familysearch.com, rootsweb.com and the other free-be ones) are putting more and more on their sites. I can hardly wait. For me, ancestry.com has been wonderful. I subscribe to the census images and the other databases but my situation is unique in that I have the power of the internet service of a whole school district (one of the few sites they won't block for students' benefit) and it's fast. Because I can jump to the pages that I know I need, it still works at home on my old dial up but it's much MUCH slower. With patience you can get it to work and if you know where you are going it works pretty good. They are adding more indexes for the 1930 everyday and it's getting better all the time but I'll always want faster. Until you decide there are always us helpful hannahs out here that will do lookups for you. Gen kindness and all that! Sincerely, Dawn DiSomma [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I have a William Monroe who married Mary Alice Fisher 1862 in Fulton. Co., Illinois. They had 3 children and then I think he died as he is gone by 1870 and she has married Elias Parker in 1868. The Monroe children were Clara, Carrie and Luella. Clara died at age 24, Luella I lost and Carrie married Munroe Seidell. Would like more information on these children and anything one has on the father. Mary Alice has been married before to Knight Fisher and he also died. She was a daughter of Ogden Gray and his wife Mary who came to Fulton Co. about 1853 from Morgan Co., Ohio. Any help appreciated. Jerilyn

FIKE, WILLIAM M. He is successfully engaged in the abstract real-estate loan and insurance business in Lewistown, and was born in Woodland Twp., March 20, 1853. He is a son of John M. and Eliza Jane (Onion) Fike, who were married October 27, 1850. John M. Fike, who was a native of Indiana, was born Apr. 27, 1827, and died Dec. 23, 1862. Eliza Jane Onion, a daughter of Joel and Eleanor Onion, was born Dec. 4, 1830, and died Jan. 26, 1901. John M. Fike and his wife were the parents of five children, namely: Martha E., born Aug. 4, 1851, deceased Aug. 30, 1852; William M., born March 20, 1853; Mary Elizabeth, born July 27, 1855; John Jay, born May 14 1857, and Jasper Newton, born Aug. 31, 1860. The great-grandfather of William M. Fike was of German nativity and spelled his name Feik. His son, who came to the U.S. and located in PA, spelled it Fyke, and the style adopted by John M. was Fike, which orthography has since been used by the family. When a young man John M. Fike cane to Fulton Co., where he met the lady who became his wife. During the Civil War he served in the 3rd Regiment, IL Volunteer Cavalry, and while in the field contracted diseases which finally terminated his life. About the year 1850 he bought a farm in Sect. 10, Woodland Twp., which has since been the home of the family, and where John Jay and his sister, Mary E., still reside. His father having died when William was but a boy, the responsibility of managing the farm and caring for the rest of the family devolved upon him. He worked on the farm in summer and attended the district school in the winter. After finishing his schooling he entered Hedding College in Abingdon, still teaching winter terms in the district school until 1879. He then attended school at the Gem City Business College at Quincy, after which he taught until 1883 when he was appointed the Deputy Circuit Clerk under W. R. McLaren, holding the office until 1886. He was the regular nominee for Circuit Clerk in the Republican convention and was elected in Nov. 1888. He served until Dec. 1892 and on the organization of the Farmers' State Bank accepted the position of Cashier, which he held one year. In 1893 he resigned and engaged in his present business of mortgage loans and insurance in which he has been very successful. On Oct. 17, 1889, Mr. Fike was married to Zadie Snively, a daughter of Perrin and Eveline (Wright) Snively, of Cuba, IL. They have three children, namely: Louise, born May 24, 1894; George Lawrence, July 12, 1898, and Evelyn Irene, Oct. 20, 1902. Mr. Fike has been a resident of Fulton Co., for half a century. Fraternally he has been affiliated with the M.W.A. Camp. Mrs. Fike is a member of the Christian Church, Lewiston. Joan

Hi All, Hope you can answer this one for me. A friend is looking at a yearlong online (gift) subscription with the purpose of accessing online census images. Has anyone had experience with either ancestry.com or genealogy.com or have another suggestion? If you were to chose, which do you think provides the best bang for the buck? Thanks, Cindy

HOLLISTER, LESTER The junior member of the firm of Ray and Hollister represents the kind of business material to which the residents of Avon look for a maintenance of stable, progressive conditions. His largest usefulness lies in the future, as he now is but 27 years old, having been born on a farm in Fulton Co., March 17, 1879. He repre- sents the third generation of his family in Fulton Co., his grandparents having arrived while it was still a wilderness, and with little to start with, succeeded to a large and fertile property. His father, Lawrence H. Hollister was born in Fulton County Sept. 22, 1858, and his mother Mary (Anderson) Hollister was born in the same county Oct. 8, 1857. For many years Lawrence H. Hollister has owned and operated a farm in Union Twp. of 160 acres in extent and well equipped with facilities for extensive gen- eral farming and stock-raising. As Lester Hollister grew to maturity he developed commercial rather than agricultural tendencies, and like his present business partner, began his active city life as clerk in a grocery store. He acquired a practical common school education in the town of Avon, and started his present grocery and meat business on Feb. 3, 1906. Because of his energy and sound business tactics he is bound to realize his ambitions. Mr. Hollister is social in his tendencies, is prom- inent amoung the Knights of Pythias, and in the Univer- salist Church. Politically he subscribes to the Republican party. He was one of the first to volun- teer from Fulton Co., in the Spanish-American War, and creditably served through the greater part of the struggle as a member of Co. D, Sixth Illinois Volunteer Infantry. He is popular and well-liked and has hosts of friends throughout the town and country. Joan

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Hi Tere, Got a little lucky and this is what I found. 1860 Fulton Co. Il. Bernadotte twp. pg.228 17 July 1860 Post office; Bernadotte #1675 #1623 Wm.MONROE 50 farmer (value,40) VA. Sarah 60 PENN. John HOSKINSON 23 farmer OH. Sarah 24 OH. Lewis E. 3mo. IL. Rachel PARR 14 OH. Elizabeth 10 OH. Jane 6 OH. *NEXT DOOR #1676 #1624 Wm. MONROE 26 farmer (value 30) OH. Hannah J. 25 OH. Lydia 4 OH. James M. 3 IL. John W. 3mo. IL. John HOSKINSON married Sarah MONROE 10 Apr. 1859 Fulton Co. IL. so that is where they come in. you can find this on line in the IL. state wide marriage index. Sarah must be daughter of Wm. and Sarah MONROE? Hope this helps. Tina >I was looking for Sarah "Jane" Parr, would have been about 4-5 yrs old. I >did find out that she was living with WILLIAM & SARAH MONROE, or JOHN & >SARAH HOSKINSON, along with Rachel and Elizabeth Parr (I'm assuming those >are her sisters). Apparently her parents must have died before 1870. >BERNADOTTE, ASTORIA, or WOODLAND. ~Thank You...Tere~ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi Listers, We all have horror stories and successes on the census reading and transcribers. I have several. Apparently in the Irish neighborhoods it wasn't uncommon for the census taker to be invited in for alittle "toddy for the body" and towards the end of the day no telling what that person put down for names! But my great great aunt Bridget O'Donnell showed up on one census only. If I had not looked page by page at each and every name I would not have found her. I noticed the dates and toward the end of each day the census taker was having trouble remembering to put last names first. Her first name had been written first and scratched out with O'Donnell written half above it; then her first name written again. The only way I know it is her is that her age and the year of her immigration. Then there is Krejci spelled Kreighty in the 1920 census. If the first names hadn't been right (Joseph and Josie) I wouldn't have found them either. I'm patiently waiting for ancestry.com to finish the indexes in the areas of the country that I need but if I don't find the ancestors that I'm seeking it just means that they read John as Jehu again and I have to keep looking. The fun part is the looking, don't you think? I was looking for Richard Smith in 1870 and found a woman named Jane Smith with a note at the bottom of the page that read "Scalped by Indians last year. Left for dead. Well and hearty now. Hates Indians." No telling what you will find if you look at the images! Happy Holidays to everyone. Is it looking like Christmas in your neck of the woods? Sincerely, Dawn DiSomma [email protected] I finally found a Piatt family listed as Pian. Reading the letters is hard and of course those of us accustomed to the names can more easily decipher letters as we know who was living in the areas. Thus use some imagination if you can't find a name. This last one I found by looking and looking for the woman's name, approx. age, and place of birth. Jerilyn ==== ILFULTON Mailing List ==== To post a message (regardless of "mail" or "digest" mode) to the ILFULTON list just send it to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

HI Cathy, I saw that you found the HAYES family below in the 1930 census. I am having a great amount of trouble finding my family -- I was wondering if you may be able to help? I need to find "Etta "MAY" INGRAM LONGWELL WAGNER" (maybe WAGGONER or WAGGNER?) She was born in 1879 Hancock County. She married C. H. WAGNER in Warren County IL (Monmouth). 1903. He was listed as a "Potter" on marriage cert and this was the 2nd marriage for both "May" WAGNER was living in FULTON County in 1944 (Vermont) per relatives obit. Her relatives lived in nearby McDonough Co (Macomb) Her grandparents had died in 1901 in Schuyler Co. (Littleton) Her mother and several siblings are buried in the Scott Cemetery in McDonough Co. I find uncanny similiarities between my C. H. and Etta May WAGNER line to the HAYES family below -- Can't help but think they may have known each other. :) If anyone can help with 1920 or 1930 census, I would be very grateful! I thank you immensely ahead of time! Valerie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1930 Illinois, McDonough Co, Eldorado Twp, Enumeration District 55-11, page 4A lines 43-48 Hayes, Charley H, head, 51 yo, married at 24, born in IL, farmer Hayes, Ethel, wife, 44 yo, married at 18, born in IL Hayes, Herbert J, son, 23 yo, born in IL Hayes, Eva L, daughter, 27 yo, born in IL Hayes, Iva J, daughter, 24 yo, born in IL Hayes, Charles Jr, son, 6 yo, born in IL Cathy

Hi, all-- I have both Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com census subscriptions. I use a Macintosh, and viewing and printing the census images works real well with Genealogy.com and doesn't work well on Ancestry.com. Unfortunately for me, Ancestry.com has a wonderful feature that Genealogy.com doesn't have: jump-to-page. So, if you know the page you're looking for (sometimes you do; sometimes you don't), it's great on Ancestry.com and horribly slow on Genealogy.com. Ancestry.com has the censuses for 1790 through 1930. 1790 through 1850 and 1920 are indexed; 1860 and 1930 are partially indexed. Genealogy.com has 1790 through 1910. 1790, 1900, 1810, 1870, 1890 (hardly any of that one), and 1900 are indexed. That's the extent of my knowledge. Judy Belle Horick --- Cindy Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > Hope you can answer this one for me. A friend is looking at a yearlong > online (gift) subscription with the purpose of accessing online census > images. Has anyone had experience with either ancestry.com or > genealogy.com or have another suggestion? If you were to chose, which > do you think provides the best bang for the buck? > > > Thanks, Cindy > > > ==== ILFULTON Mailing List ==== > Can't handle so many messages from us every day? > Don't quit the ILFulton list, just switch to DIGEST MODE -- > Digest Mode delivers batches of up to 25 messages in 1, not one at a time! > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

In 1969 The Fulton County Board of Supervisors in cooperation with The Fulton County Historical Society published "A History of Fulton County Illinois in Spoon River Country". I could not find an entry in relation to your question in the Farmington Township section but found the following entry: "Coal mining became the most important industry in this locality near the turn of the century. There were many deep shafts sunk, and the families who came to work in these mines were Slavs, Italians, Poles and Lithuanians. Up until this time the settlers were mainly English, Irish and Scots." Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hayes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [ILFULTON] Re: c.1900 Lithuanians/Russians to Fulton > > Good morning Ms. Stipak, > > I have a general question where I haven't found any leads - maybe I'm > not looking in the correct places. Around 1900-1915, did a group of > Lithuanians (or Russians) immigrate to Fulton County, and settle in the > vicinity of Farmington? Where may I find information about them in > Fulton County? > > Thank you in advance, > Anne > Surnames = DOCHES/DOCKES and KAISER > > > > ==== ILFULTON Mailing List ==== > To post a message (regardless of "mail" or "digest" mode) > to the ILFULTON list just send it to [email protected] >