Hi Karen, Well -- I have, in the HOLVERSON family, Amy Lynn, Dawn Renee, Donald Gary, Elaine Kay, Elmer P. (first Holverson in records), Kimberly Gayle, and Martha Kay. They (except Elmer) are descendants of my great-uncle Henry Konrad Krumwiede and members of the Weisenbarn family. In the SANS family I have, Brady, Donald (first SANS in records) and Nick. They are members of my Hilgendorf/Krumwiede family, except Donald. In both cases, it is the spouse who is my relative and begins a line in those families related to me. For instance, Elmer P. Holverson's wife Laurene Kaufman is actually the relative of mine. I think they both are still alive and living in Buckley. And Donald Sans' wife Debra Ennen is my relative. They live in Paxton. -- Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/