Is there a place that has Ashkum newspapers prior to 1907? I know the genealogy library in Watseka has some on microfilm, but not that early. I also know there are other local papers I can check, but I am most interested in the Ashkum Journal. Debbie

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BEB020.C1EE1400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: ILFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com <ILFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ILFORD-D@rootsweb.com <ILFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 2:17 PM Subject: ILFORD-D Digest V99 #56 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BEB020.C1EE1400 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003B_01BEB020.C1F73BC0" ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01BEB020.C1F73BC0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain ILFORD-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: #1 [ILFORD-L] DONOVAN, Jeremiah & KEL [BrenHebert@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from ILFORD-D, send a message to ILFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01BEB020.C1F73BC0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: [ILFORD-L] DONOVAN, Jeremiah & KELLY, Mary m. bef. 1845 IRE>IL

I don't know a lot about my gr-gr-gr-grandparents and their family, but here is what I know. If anyone knows anything more about this family, please e-mail me! Or if they have advice on how to find information on the O'DONOVAN family in Co. Cork, it would be REALLY appreciated! Jeremiah DONOVAN (maybe O'DONOVAN-ROSSE -- was his mother a ROSSE?) married Mary KELLY before 1845. We know it was in County Cork, but not sure which village. My gr-gr-grandmother's obit says she was born near Queenstown, which I know to be Cobh. Another cousin says that Jeremiah and Mary were married in Skull (Schull?). I don't know which is correct, though. They had 9 children, all but the youngest one or two were born in Ireland. These are the children, as nearly as I can figure their order: Mary (m. Peter Hagerty WALLACE), Jerry (never married?), Joe (never married?), John (m. Mary FOLEY, Anna "Nancy" (m. Joseph FEENEY), Ellen (never married?), Michael (never married?), Timothy (m. Ella KORTHIUS), Katherine (m. Patrick SULLIVAN). Katherine may have been the one born in Illinois. Around 1860, the oldest daughter, Mary was sent to the U.S. to earn enough money to bring the rest of the family here. She settled in Joliet, Illinois. When the family had enough money, they came -- all but the son Timothy who was 2 years old and had some sort of rash or something, so he stayed in County Cork with friends or relatives. Finally he came to the U.S., too, but his older brothers made fun of him because he "talked funny", so he went to Iroquois County to live with his sister Mary. Mary had met and married Peter Hagerty WALLACE (s/o Thomas WALLACE & Esther HAGERTY) and settled with him in Danforth or Ashkum. They had children of their own, but they took Timothy in, and sent him to the MERKLE school (on property donated by another of my ancestors).

Debbie, Here's what I found. 1884: T. Burns, Township 28, North Range 14 west of 22nd Principal Meridian, Chebanse Township, section 18, 160 acres with 40 additonal acres in section 17. There is also an A. Burns (Prairie Green Township), J. Burns (Prairie Green Township), and John Burns (Sheldon Township). Almost all show where the house is located on the property, not shown on T. Burns' property. 1904 Thomas Burns, Township 28 North, Range 14, sections 18 & 17, same acreage now listed as Ashkum Township. Home on property indicated (small square). John Burns, Prairie Green Township. 1921 No Thomas or T. Burns listed, but same property, same place now lists Wm. Burns (son inherited?). John Burns still listed in Prairie Green Township. There is a photo of John Burns. Information below photo: John Burns, 645 H. Avenue, Hoopeston, Illinois. Photo from W. H. Boltz, R.F.D. No. 3, Hoopeston Illinois. Judy On 1 Jun 99, at 16:31, GAineByrne@aol.com wrote: > << > In a message dated 6/1/99 6:18:09 AM Central Daylight Time, > griffinl@athenet.net writes: > > << > I have a copy of "Combined Atlases of Iroquois County, Illinois 1884 1904 > 1921." It shows the owners of each piece of property in each township for > each of these years and there is biographical information on some > individuals. It is indexed. This would give you the location information > for > further searching. If you give me the name of the owner of the land the > farm > was on, I can look it up for you. > > Judy >> > > Thanks. In 1884, the farm was owned by Thomas Burns. > > Debbie >

<< In a message dated 6/1/99 6:18:09 AM Central Daylight Time, griffinl@athenet.net writes: << I have a copy of "Combined Atlases of Iroquois County, Illinois 1884 1904 1921." It shows the owners of each piece of property in each township for each of these years and there is biographical information on some individuals. It is indexed. This would give you the location information for further searching. If you give me the name of the owner of the land the farm was on, I can look it up for you. Judy >> Thanks. In 1884, the farm was owned by Thomas Burns. Debbie

I have a copy of "Combined Atlases of Iroquois County, Illinois 1884 1904 1921." It shows the owners of each piece of property in each township for each of these years and there is biographical information on some individuals. It is indexed. This would give you the location information for further searching. If you give me the name of the owner of the land the farm was on, I can look it up for you. Judy On 30 May 99, at 19:21, GAineByrne@aol.com wrote: > Are there old maps of Iroquois Co. available? Specifically of Ashkum Twp > during the period of 1860s to about 1910? Any year during that time would be > fine. > > Debbie > > ______________________________

In a message dated 5/31/99 8:16:15 AM Central Daylight Time, lorbar@fortwayne.infi.net writes: << Debbie, do you know who owned the farm at the time the picture was taken?>> No, not anymore. I am more interested in who bought the farm from my family and who my family had purchased it from. If I don't find out who else owned it or lived there, that's ok. It would just be interesting to know who did. Curious, ya know. <> Well I live within driving distance from Iroquois Co. :) << If you know who owned the farm (not necessarily who lived there -- the owner) in the mid-1950s, there will be a photograph (aeriel) on file at the genealogical society under the owner's name, and the exact section, twp, range numbers will be noted with the photo. >> Neat!! This will help me to decide what I need to do before I get there. I wil go to the courthouse in the morning, then the genealogy library in the afternoon, the next time I'm there. I keep coming up with all this stuff I need to look for. :) Debbie GAineByrne@aol.com wrote: > How would I go about tracing the sale of a farm? My gg grandparents owned a > farm in Ashkum twp in Iroq Co. I would like to know what they paid for it, > what my gg grandfather's descendants sold it for. Would I have to know the > exact location in order to do this? I know the period of time and probably > have some specifics in my files of where it was located. Actually, I have > pictures of it taken in the early 1980s. A relative knew the owners at that > time. > > Debbie >

Debbie, do you know who owned the farm at the time the picture was taken? If so, using the same skills one would use in a title search would be helpful. However, whether you could gain access to filings at the courthouse for recent years I do not know. You would need deed filings or mortgage filings to show a progression of ownership. I don't know where you live, but this sounds like grunt work requiring an on-the-scenes visit or the hiring of the professional researcher at the society -- whose rates are quite reasonable. If you know who owned the farm (not necessarily who lived there -- the owner) in the mid-1950s, there will be a photograph (aeriel) on file at the genealogical society under the owner's name, and the exact section, twp, range numbers will be noted with the photo. That will help. Copy prices are very reasonable at the society. You will find the society's web address at the end of this message. GAineByrne@aol.com wrote: > How would I go about tracing the sale of a farm? My gg grandparents owned a > farm in Ashkum twp in Iroq Co. I would like to know what they paid for it, > what my gg grandfather's descendants sold it for. Would I have to know the > exact location in order to do this? I know the period of time and probably > have some specifics in my files of where it was located. Actually, I have > pictures of it taken in the early 1980s. A relative knew the owners at that > time. > > Debbie > > ==== ILFORD Mailing List ==== > *********************************************** > Ford-Iroquois-Kankakee Genealogical Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilkankak/ilford.html > *********************************************** -- Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/

Debbie -- I've forwarded your message to both the librarian at the Iroquois County Genealogical Society (though she may have already seen your message on the list) and to the IllinoisGenWeb Project State Coordinator. In the meantime, at tbe Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project, there is a map, though not quite that old. Check the link to Iroquois County Place Names at http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ In order to look more closely at the Ashkum area, though, you would have to download the map and open it with your own graphics program to look at that area more closely, and I'm not sure if the clarity of the image would hold up under enlargement. Loretta > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [ILFORD-L] old maps > Resent-Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-From: ILFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:51 EDT > From: GAineByrne@aol.com > To: ILFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Are there old maps of Iroquois Co. available? Specifically of Ashkum Twp > during the period of 1860s to about 1910? Any year during that time would be > fine. > > Debbie

How would I go about tracing the sale of a farm? My gg grandparents owned a farm in Ashkum twp in Iroq Co. I would like to know what they paid for it, what my gg grandfather's descendants sold it for. Would I have to know the exact location in order to do this? I know the period of time and probably have some specifics in my files of where it was located. Actually, I have pictures of it taken in the early 1980s. A relative knew the owners at that time. Debbie

Are there old maps of Iroquois Co. available? Specifically of Ashkum Twp during the period of 1860s to about 1910? Any year during that time would be fine. Debbie

The Ford County ILGenWeb Project and Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project pages have been updated with the following queries and surname postings: In Iroquois County: Clemens Connell DeWitt Harris Hemala Kelly Martin Meadows Wallace Later Debi Visit my Web pages at: http://members.aol.com/LaFineD/LaFineD.html or http://www.capstonebank.com/~lafined/ Stop by the Iroquois Genealogical Society Page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/index.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: <LaFineDJ@aol.com> To: <ILFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <MgahmAMES@aol.com> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 3:25 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Ford and Iroquois Counties > The Ford County ILGenWeb Project and Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project pages > have been updated with the following queries and surname postings: > > In Ford County: > Dove > Karr > Lear > Massy > Mossman > Sage > Turner > > In Iroquois County: > Barber > LaRoche > Ludington > Peebles > Pebbles > Pibbles > Pope > Sayre > Sword > Watson > > Debi > Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ > > Ford County IlGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ > > Iroquois County Genealogical Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/ >

I have not resubscribed to everything since my return from vacation, so please help me spread this chance encounter and the information I gleaned from it around to appropriate lists you might be part of. At Epcot Center, my family was joined at our most excellently sheltered table at the Fountain Cafe during a thunderstorm by a delightful lady who appeared to be in her 80s and was partially blind, but traveling alone. In the course of our conversation, she mentioned that she is Scottish-Irish. Having endured many-a cyber argument on the correct manner of identification for a person with one Scottish and one Irish parent, and the designation of the heritage of their descendants, I jumped on this topic! I asked her to please explain to me the proper term to designate a person with one Scottish and one Irish parent. Her first reply startled me. "It depends on where you are born." Huh? She explained further, "If you have one Irish parent and one Scottish parent, whether you are an Irish-Scot or are Scottish-Irish depends upon where you are born. I have one Irish parent and one Scottish parent, and I was born in Scotland; therefore I am Scottish-Irish. Had I been born in Ireland, I would be an Irish-Scot." Further questioning elicited the fact that the terms Scot-Irish or Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish are NOT USED. And just to be sure I understood correctly, I asked about descendants born in America. She said that they are considered to be Americans with either Scottish-Irish or Irish-Scot ancestors, but they CANNOT BE either of those things since they were not born in either Scotland or Ireland. So -- from the horse's mouth, so to speak -- If you have both Irish and Scottish ancestors who were MARRIED TO EACH OTHER and produced others of your direct ancestors, you can have Irish-Scot or Scottish-Irish HERITAGE, but you are not either of those things unless you yourself were born in either Scotland or Ireland to one Scottish parent and one Irish parent. And there is no such term as either Scot-Irish or Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish so far as the natives of Scotland and Ireland are concerned. -- Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/

I am looking for Alex E. Aaron, b. 28 Sept 1884 possibly in the Salina Twp. I would also love to have any information on any Aaron's that have records there. Thanks Jenn

Hi, I received this info from a former pastor of Zion Lutheran about a month ago. Hope this helps. Mona Houser >The Pastor at Grant Park is now Rev. Fred Beck, the Church is Zion >Lutheran, it is about 130 years old so might have been the one that you are >refering to. > >You may write to the church there at 11456 N. 11000 E. Rd. Grant Park, IL >60940. >The church phone is 815-465-6011. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Does anyone know the address for the Zion Lutheran Church In Grant Park,IL Thanks Dick Zimmermann Researching Zimmerman(n)s in Kankakee County, Il and Todd County, MN

Are there any PAYNE researchers on the list? My grandfather, Roy BARROWS, had a cousin named Jimmy PAYNE. All I have is my deceased mother's note on a photo taken about 1910 of Roy and another young man: "Papa and Jimmy Payne (Papa's cousin)." I haven't come across any Paynes in my research. My great-grandparents were Clara (SPAWR) and Ernest Charles BARROWS of Gilman, Iroquois County, married in 1880. Ernest Barrows' only sister died at age 20 in New York, so I don't think she married a Payne. Clara's older sister, Elizabeth SPAWR, married Will BARROWS. That leaves Clara's younger sister, Ella SPAWR (born about 1862). My last information on Ella has her in Gilman with her sisters and father (Valentine L. SPAWR) in the 1880 census. Does anyone on this list have an Ella Spawr or an Ella with unknown last name who married a Payne? I'd love to hear from you. Laurel Busch lsbusch@accutek.com

With many thanks to Rootsweb and List Owners: I would like to share with you the information I have compiled from National Archives microfilm reels regarding the personal data of 1,691 enlisted soldiers who served in our very young U.S. Army, between 1835 & 1846. These men came from a multitude of locales, including Europe and Canada. All served various amounts of time in Western New York before their enlistment expired, or, were sent elsewhere, to camps and forts scattered across the states and territories. It is without doubt, that descendants of these men encompass the globe. Are you related to one? Interested subscribers to ILFORD-L should send an email to: 104740.372@compuserve.com For the subject, please put INTERESTED! In the text, I would just like to know your name and your location, please. (ie.) BUBBA in Butte, Montana Thank you! Cliff in Rochester, New York