Carol, Here are some information to add to yours on David Franklin Radcliffe (I have his death certificate) It states that he was born 1 Jan 1872 died on 22 June 1953 at 7:15 p.m. at age 81 in Madison County at Villa Terrace Nursing Home Alton, IL. He died of Cerebral Vascular Accident due to Arteriosclerosis (since I am a nurse I will tell you that that is a fancy word for a "stroke"). His ususal residence was listed as Hilsboro, Montgonery County, IL. He is buried at Cress Hill Cemetery, Hilsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. He is my great great grandfather : his wife (Clara Ellen England) through his daughter Anna Ellen Radcliffe Finley. Penny lewis@csuol.com Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm\ ----- Original Message ----- From: bobcartilson@uswest.net To: Penny Lewis Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages Penny: Unless I've entered something wrong or mixed up a relationship somewhere along the line, Joseph McKinney is your 5th great-grandfather AND your 6th great-grandfather. One line of descent is through his daughter, Elizabeth (McKinney) Radcliff. The other is through his son, Daniel McKinney. Line #1 1. Joseph McKinney, Sr, b: abt 1765, Virginia, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC & Nancy Sage, b: abt 1774 Rockingham Co, VA?, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC, m: 04 Jul 1795 Mercer Co, KY. 2. Elizabeth McKinney, b: 1795 - 1800 Mercer Co, KY, d: 06 Aug 1856 Sefton Twp, FC; & Michael Radcliff, Sr, b: 1785 - 1795 Hardy Co, VA, d: abt 1838 Sefton Twp, FC, m: abt 1814 St. Clair Co, IL 3. David C Radcliff b: 07 Jul 1835, d: 20 May 1899 & Ellen Grandfield, b: 02 Feb 1836 Philadelphia, PA, d: 26 Nov 1916 (near) Pinhook, m: 06 Feb 1855 FC 4. David Frank Radcliff, b: 02 Dec 1872 Sefton, FC, d: Aft. 1916 ? (resided Wilberton Twp) & Clara Ellen England, b: abt 1877 Ramsey Twp, FC; m: 19 Oct 1896 Vandalia, FC. 5. Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley 6. Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain David Crum 7. Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson 8. Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis Line #2 1. Joseph McKinney, Sr, b: abt 1765, Virginia, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC & Nancy Sage, b: abt 1774 Rockingham Co, VA?, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC, m: 04 Jul 1795 Mercer Co, KY. 2. Daniel McKinney, b: abt 1796 Mercer Co, KY, d: 18 Sep 1854 FC & Frances Ann Williams, b: 1800 - 1810 Calvert Co, MD, d: 15 Feb 1850 FC, m: 11 Jun 1825 FC. 3. Frances Emiline McKinney, b: abt 1839 FC, d: 21 May 1890 FC, & John D McAliley, b: abt 1835 FC, d: 01 Nov 1859 FC, m: 18 Mar 1855 FC. 4. Elizabeth "Elvira" McAliley, b: Mar 1856 FC (age 14 in 1870), d: 1929 FC & John Calvin England; b: Oct 1856 Kentucky, d: 24 Dec 1926 FC, m: 05 Jan 1873 FC. 5. Clara Ellen England; b: abt 1877 Ramsey Twp, FC & David Frank Radcliff; b: 02 Dec 1872 Sefton, FC, d: Aft. 1916 ? (resided Wilberton Twp), m: 19 Oct 1896 Vandalia, FC. 6. Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley 7. Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain David Crum 8. Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson 9. Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis The FTW kinship report indicates you are yourself (duh) and your own 6th cousin once removed. And, my husband, Robert Russell Tilson, is your 5th cousin once removed. How's your head now? Carol P.S. If you see anything wrong, let me know. Penny Lewis wrote: Carol, Boy, do you have my head spinning. I have never come across this one before I will tell you forward from Clara Ellen England Radcliff. o.k. 1) Clara Ellen England m. David Frank Radcliff (My great great grandparents) 2) Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley (my great grandparents) 3) Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain Daniel Crum (my grandparents) 4) Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson (my parents) 5) Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis (That's me and my husband) Now i am really dizzy. Is this what you want. Penny lewis@csuol.com Fayette County GenWeb Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm

Penny, Thanks for the information on David Radcliff; I'll get it added to my file. In addition to your great-grandmother, Anna Ellen, just how many children did he and Clara England have? Most of us McKinney and McAliley researchers don't have any more information than the fact they were married, probably because they left Fayette County. It's interesting David died in Madison County. That's where the first McAliley to come to Illinois settled. Do you happen to know where and when Clara died? In case you're wondering, I spell "McAliley" this way (no double Ls) because that's how John D. McAliley (father of your Elvira and brother of our Nancy*) spelled it in 1857 when he petitioned to become the guardian of Nancy and William McKinney's daughter, Frances. Another reason is because McAliley is the the accepted standard of the main McAliley community, and some of them -- especially the South Carolina and Florida branches -- tend to make fun of the various Fayette County spellings. If you're interested in following the McAliley line back a few more generations, one good place to start is Robert Torbert's WorldConnect file. The following URL is for David and Clara's page. Bob doesn't have their children either. He does have a number of Fayette County surnames in the file but not all the multiple relationships are linked. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=habtorbert&id=I1954 Carol *I may have mixed up generations in an earlier e-mail and said Elvira and Nancy were sisters. So sorry if I did and confused you. All these connections are confusing enough without me making it any worse. Penny Lewis wrote: > Carol, > > Here are some information to add to yours on David Franklin Radcliffe (I have his death certificate) It states that he was born 1 Jan 1872 died on 22 June 1953 at 7:15 p.m. at age 81 in Madison County at Villa Terrace Nursing Home Alton, IL. He died of Cerebral Vascular Accident due to Arteriosclerosis (since I am a nurse I will tell you that that is a fancy word for a "stroke"). His ususal residence was listed as Hilsboro, Montgonery County, IL. He is buried at Cress Hill Cemetery, Hilsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. He is my great great grandfather : his wife (Clara Ellen England) through his daughter Anna Ellen Radcliffe Finley. > > Penny > lewis@csuol.com > Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator > www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm\ >