Thanks to the previous check on the Crotser/Hall marriage, I have found that I have a mistake on my homepage- the Crotser census section. I will try to get this corrected in the next couple of days. Sorry. 1850 Fayette County, Illinois Census, it should read David Crotser 33 M NC Nancy A. " 27 F Ill etc... sherry

Hi. I've been doing the Crotsers for awhile, and I think I see where the confusion lies on the David Crotser/Nancy Ann Hall marriage. I had never noticed it before. I just pulled out the Fayette County Marriage record book that is put out by the Genealogical Society to double check the marriage. It does state that David married Mary Ann and that Mary's mother gave consent. I believe that this book is REALLY incorrect. I have copies of the original permission note and marriage license of these 2. (Thanks Bob and Dolores if you're reading this!) Permission note states: "I Gilbert Hall do solemnly swear that Elizabeth Hall did consent license might ? to join her daughter Nancy Ann in marriage with David Crotzer and ? me to testify the same to the clerk." Sworn to subscribe Gilbert X (his mark) Hall before me this 21st day of February 1838. Jas W. Berry Clk State of Illinois Fayette County The People of the State of Illinois- To all who see these Presents- GREETINGS: Know ye, That license and permission is hereby given to any person authorized by law to solemnize the Rites of Matrimony, to join together as husband and wife, David Crotzer and Nancy Ann Hall according to the usual custom and the laws of the State of Illinois; and for so doing, this shall be his sufficient warrant. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of the County Commissioners' Court of said County at Vandalia this 21st day of February 1838. Jas W. Berry Clk Marriage License Granted to David Crotzer and Nancy Ann Hall 1838 I ? that I solemnize the rites of matrimony between the within named parties on the 22d day of February 1838 February 23d 1838 A.P.H. Doyle J.P. I also have an original copy of the 1850 census and, I agree, it says Nancy A. I guess if you thought it was supposed to be Mary, you could pretty easily convince yourself that it was, but it is definitely Nancy A. Hope this helps. Lots of Crotser stuff on my homepage, if you get bored. http://www.advancenet.net/~conure/geneindex.htm Also close to 400 gravestone pics. further down the page. sherry

Lynne -- and any other listers who aren't tired of hearing about McKinneys and their kin: The 49-year-old Elizabeth Hall listed with Henry Hall (her son) on the 1850 Fayette County census (below) is Elizabeth Williams, d/o Calvert Co., MD, natives John H. and Elizabeth "Betsy" (?) Williams. She m1 Henry Hall and m2 Moses McKinney. Although the age shown on this census indicates Elizabeth was born abt. 1801, a Hall - Crotser descendant (who provided much of my initial info) believes her birth date was closer to 1795. The latter seems more probable since she'd married Henry and had a daughter by abt. 1812. Henry d. 1825, and Elizabeth m2 Moses McKinney, 1 Feb 1827, in Fayette County (FC). I have not followed the Hall line that far; according to information received, Henry and Elizabeth (Williams) Hall had at least four children: 1. Mary Ann Hall: b. abt 1812, prob in Calvert Co., MD; m1 Edward McKinney 16 Jun 1829, FC; m2 William West 14 Apr 1844, FC. Mary Ann's first husband, Edward McKinney, is the brother of her mother's second husband, Moses McKinney. Another of their brothers is Daniel McKinney, head of family #655 on same census (see below). 2. Gilbert Hall: b. 1814-16, prob. Calvert Co., MD m. Elizabeth Crotser 13 Jan 1836, FC. 3. Henry Hall, Jr: b. abt 1816, prob. Calvert Co., MD; m. Elizabeth Beck 31 Mar 1841, FC. 4. Nancy A. Hall, b. abt. 1823, prob. FC; supposedly m. David Crotser (aka Crotzer) 22 Feb 1838, FC. Fayette County Marriage Records -- at least printed and web versions -- specifically say David Crotser married Mary Ann Hall (Gilbert Hall swore that Mary's mother, Elizabeth Hall gave consent). However, the second person in David's household in 1850, clearly is Nancy A. Are there any Hall or Crotser people out there who can explain this apparent contradiction? Moses and Elizabeth (Williams) [Hall] McKinney had one known child: 1. Drucilla (aka Druzilla, Drusilla, etc.) McKinney, b. 1827-30, m. Daniel McKinney, 23 Feb 1851. The question is which Daniel did she marry? Did Drucilla3 McKinney, d/o of Moses2, really marry her cousin, Daniel Uriah3 McKinney, s/o Daniel2 and Frances (Williams) McKinney? Most McKinney researchers say yes, but I have my doubts -- unless someone can convince me that the 21-year-old Daniel McKinney enumerated with the Halls in 1850 was Daniel2's son, and the 17-year-old Daniel living with Daniel2 was . . . well, somebody else's kid. (possible but probable?). Of course, the census taker could have made a mistake with the age of the younger Daniel. Any ages on censuses are only approximates (requiring further documentation), but they are usually somewhere in the ball park . . . unless someone really didn't know how old she/she was or purposely "fudged" a bit (read a study somewhere that said men back then tended to say they were older than they really were -- especially if younger than their wives -- and women usually claimed to be younger). According to FC Marriage Records, both Drucilla and "her" Daniel were "of age" when they got married in 1851; that's 18 for women and 21 for men. On the 1870 FC census, Daniel's age is given as 42 (b. abt 1828), Drucilla's as 41 (b. abt 1839). Sharon Township Cemetery records list 30 Nov 1828 as his birth date and 17 Feb 1872 for his death (am fairly sure there are probate records which definitely link Drucilla to the 1872 deceased). This guy wasn't a teenager in 1850. I think it's more likely that Daniel2's son was Daniel U. McKinney who married Malinda Cronk 24 Apr 1867. He also probably was the D. U. McKinney who (according to Bible marriage page) attended/witnessed the marriage of William3 and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney's daughter, Frances4 McKinney, to Samuel Wood Osborn, 14 Sep 1864. Daniel2 McKinney supposedly had seven brothers: Jeremiah, Stephen, Eli, Moses, Edward, Jesse and Joseph, Jr. As far as I know, the children of Eli and Joseph, Jr., have not yet been identified (10 people in Eli's household in 1840). There are several McKinney men married in Fayette County whose connection (if any) to the Joseph1 McKinney family is yet unknown (including an Enoch McKinney and "another" Daniel who m. Elizabeth Penly, 17 Oct 1844). Daniels shown in FC Marriage Records include: Daniel McKinney m. Frances Williams, abt. 11 Jun 1825 (s/o Joseph) Daniel McKinney m. Elizabeth Penly, 17 Oct 1844 Daniel McKinney m. Mary Kent, 29 Apr 1852 (s/o of Joseph) Daniel U. McKinney m. Malinda B. Cronk, 24 Apr 1867 Daniel McKinney m. Drucilla McKinney, 23 Feb 1851 Daniel Uriah McKinney m. Mary Hannah Turner, 8 Oct 1886 (prob. s/o Miles) If anyone can identify all the Daniels (or all the FC McKinneys for sure), I'd sure like to know. _________________ Elizabeth (Williams) [Hall] McKinney and all of her children can be found on page 114 of the Fayette County Genealogical Society's transcribed, printed version of this census. On the actual census, however, Gilbert Hall appears on 381a (written no. 761), the rest on 381b. These pages were enumerated 16 Dec 1850 by G. S. Willis, who seems to have had a tendency to use ditto marks, irregardless of the actual surnames of individuals in a household. Line #, Dwelling #636, Family #648, p. 381a. 20. Gilbert Hall 34 MD (s/o Henry Hall & Elizabeth Williams) 21. Elizabeth " 28? NC (Elizabeth Williams Hall McKinney) 22. Benjamin " 11 IL 23. David I? " 8? " 24. Gilbert " 5 " 24. Mary A. " 2 " 25. Sophronia Britian/Briton? 19 " ? Line #, Dwelling #642, Family #654, p. 381b, lines 15-19 15. Henry Hall 24 IL (s/o Henry Hall & Elizabeth Williams) 16. Elisabeth " 49 MD (Elizabeth Williams Hall McKinney) 17. Drusilla " 20 IL (d/o Elizabeth & Moses McKinney) 18. Asa West 15 OH ? 19. Daniel McKiney 21 IL (b. abt. 1829, so abt. age 22 in 1851) Line #, Dwelling #643, Family #655, lines 20-24 20. Daniel McKiney 56 KY 21. Miles C. " 19 IL 22. Daniel " 17 " (b. abt. 1833, so was abt. 18 in 1851) 23. Elizabeth " 14 " 24. Frances " 11 " (Frances Emeline McKinney) Line #, Dwelling #644, Family #656, lines 25-31 25. David Crotser 33 NC 26. Nancy A " 27 IL (d/o Henry Hall & Elizabeth nee Williams) 27. Henry " 8 " 28. Jacob " 7 " 29. David C. " 3 " 30. Gilbert " 8/12 " 31. John West 17 " ? Line #, Dwelling #645, Family #657 32. Mary A. West 38 MD (d/o Henry Hall & Elizabeth nee Williams) 33. George W " 19 IL 34. Rosina " 15 " 35. Benjamin " 11 " 36. Caroline " 9 " 37 Levi " 4 " (s/o Wm. West & Mary Ann Hall) George, Rosina, Benjamin and Caroline are McKinneys, children of Mary A. and first husband, Edward McKinney. Can anyone identify Asa West (with Halls) or John West (with Crotsers)? Could they be the children of William West and an earlier spouse? If I haven't responded to all of your questions, ask again. This is getting a bit long for the list. Carol in Cornhuskerland FYI: One of Elizabeth Williams Hall McKinney's sisters was Frances Ann Williams who, in June 1825, married Daniel2 McKinney. Lynne Evans wrote: > Carol, > > I have a question about the 2 Daniel McKinneys I found on the 1850 Fayette County census. > > Household 642 > Elisabeth 49 MD (Is this Elisabeth (Hall) McKinney, widow of Moses > McKinney?) > Drucilla 20 (Is this Drucilla McKiney who married the Daniel > in the next family? Are they cousins?) > Household 643 > Daniel " 17 (Did this Daniel marry the Drusilla in the family above?) > > Are the census ages of these children wrong because they don't match what > you sent me? > > Were Moses and Daniel McKinney brothers? > > Thanks, > Lynne Lynne Evans wrote: > Carol, > > I have a question about the 2 Daniel McKinneys I found on the 1850 Fayette > County census. > > Household 642 > Henry Hall 24 > Elisabeth 49 MD (Is this Elisabeth (Hall) McKinney, widow of Moses > McKinney?) > Drucilla 20 (Is this Drucilla McKiney who married the Daniel > in the next family? Are they cousins?) > Asa West 15 > Daniel McKiney 21 > > Household 643 > Daniel McKiney 56 KY > Miles C. " 19 > Daniel " 17 (Did this Daniel marry the Drusilla in the > family above?) > Elizabeth " 14 > Frances " 11 > > Are the census ages of these children wrong because they don't match what > you sent me? > > Were Moses and Daniel McKinney brothers? > > Thanks, > Lynne

Lynne: Oh, no! You almost did it. You almost asked "The Daniel Question." Five Daniels are listed in Fayette County Marriage Records. All of the couples are "of age" when they married so there aren't any consent forms to provide clues to parentage. According to the intro of the FCGS printed marriage records that's 21 for men, 18 for women) Daniel McKinney m. Frances Williams, 11 Jun 1825 (s/o Joseph) Daniel McKinney m. Elizabeth Penly, 17 Oct 1844 Daniel McKinney m. Mary Kent, 29 Apr 1852 (s/o of Joseph) Daniel U. McKinney m. Malinda B. Cronk, 24 Apr 1867 Daniel McKinney m. Druzilla McKinney, 23 Feb 1871 Daniel Uriah McKinney m. Mary Hannah Turner, 8 Oct 1886 (s/o Miles) Elizabeth Current Hall family research holds that Lynne Evans wrote: > Carol, > > I have a question about the 2 Daniel McKinneys I found on the 1850 Fayette > County census. > > Household 642 > Henry Hall 24 > Elisabeth 49 MD (Is this Elisabeth (Hall) McKinney, widow of Moses > McKinney?) > Drucilla 20 (Is this Drucilla McKiney who married the Daniel > in the next family? Are they cousins?) > Asa West 15 > Daniel McKiney 21 > > Household 643 > Daniel McKiney 56 KY > Miles C. " 19 > Daniel " 17 (Did this Daniel marry the Drusilla in the > family above?) > Elizabeth " 14 > Frances " 11 > > Are the census ages of these children wrong because they don't match what > you sent me? > > Were Moses and Daniel McKinney brothers? > > Thanks, > Lynne

Frances McKinney, daughter of William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney, married Samuel Wood Osborn 14 Sep 1864, Fayette Co, IL (in " Van Dalia," according to marriage page in Bible). Samuel was the son of John and Sarah "Sally" (Nolen) Osborn who (by 1859) moved to Fayette County from Scott Co., VA (with a short stop in Pulaski Co., KY, in between) ____________________ There seems to be some misunderstanding. I didn't even mention Mary Ann Reavis (aka Revis) in an earlier posting -- and certainly didn't say she married Samuel Osborn. However, Miles C. McKinney, uncle and guardian of Frances (McKinney) Osborn, was the third husband of Mary Ann Reavis Ledbetter Dycus McKinney Ellison Bennett. On 25 Apr 1864, Mary Ann appeared before Charles W. Jenks, Clerk of County Court, to apply for her widow's pension. She swore "That she is the widow of Miles C. McKinney who was a Private in Company F. commanded by Captain John Welsh in the Ninety Seventh Regiment of Illinois Volunteers in the War of 1861, who died on the twenty third day of January AD 1863 at Vicksburg Mississippi of disease contracted in the said service, viz of Erysipelas." She also declared "that she was married to the said Miles C. McKinney on the 14th day of January AD 1858, That her name before her said marriage was Mary A. Dycus . . . and that she has remained a widow since his death." Also mentioned in the pension application are two "surviving children of said soldier under sixteen years of age at the time of his decease, viz: Rebecca Jane McKinney, aged five years September 9th 1863, Daniel Uriah McKinney aged three years August 8th 1866 . . . ." The document was witnessed by Daniel Uriah McKinney and Martin Welch (aka Welsh). Mary Ann married twice after Miles McKinney's death: to Robert Ellison in 1866 (as stated below) AND to Joel Bennett on 21 Mar 1872. A year after that, Mary A. Bennett gave consent for her daughter, Rebecca McKinney, to marry Robert J. Bennett (30 Jul 1873). The 1870 Fayette County census for Sharon Twp (p. 76, p. 188 of FCGS's printed copy) shows Mary Ellison 36, William 14, Lincoln 8 and Rebecca 12. William probably is Mary's son by Thompson Dycus. Lincoln either was a nickname for the young Daniel Uriah McKinney (to distinguish him from the older D. U.) -- or else an error on the part of whomever extracted the census. I only have printed versions of the Fayette County censuses. If any lister has access to the actual images and could clarify this listing, it would be very much appreciated. Also, does anyone out there know if/how Mary's husband Joel Bennett and her son-in-law, Robert J Bennett, are related? Or what happened to Robert Ellison? He and Mary Ann supposedly had a daughter, Iola, b. abt.1867. ____________________ FYI: Mary Ann Reavis' first husband, Henderson Ledbetter had previously been married to Samantha Sage, daughter of George and Tamar Christine (Hollingshead) Sage. Fayette County marriage records note: "Henderson Ledbetter, being duly sworn, says that George Sage consented that license might issue to join his daughter Samantha in marriage with the said Henderson Ledbetter, and that the said George Sage came to town with him, the said Henderson, for the purpose of giving his consent in person, but being unable to find the clerk, the said George left town." The license was granted 30 Aug; the couple married 7 Sep 1845. On 18 or 19 May 1855, Henderson Ledbetter married Hester E. Radcliff in St. Clair Co., IL. Does anyone know to whom Hester belongs? Carol in Cornhuskerland Jerryblay@aol.com wrote: I have that Mary Ann Reavis (b. Oct. 16, 1831 MO, d. ca. 1818 Fayette Co., IL, dau. of Somomon and Mary (Greene) Reavis), married: 1) Henderson Ledbetter, May 21, 1850, Fayette Co., IL 2) Thomason Dycus, Aug. 26, 1855, Fayette Co., IL 3) Miles C. McKinney, Jan. 14, 1858 (he died ca. 1864, Civil War) 4) Robert Ellison, Aug. 1, 1866. Is this the same Mary Ann, widow of Miles C. McKinney, who married Samuel Wood Osborn? When were they married? bobcartilson@uswest.net wrote: After John D. McAliley died, Miles C. McKinney (another of William and Frances Emeline sib's), took over as young Frances' guardian. Unfortunately, Miles died in 1863 (Civil War). After losing her parents and two uncle guardians, poor young Frances must have had it. In 1864, she married Samuel Wood Osborn -- and they became my husband's 2great-grandparents. >

In a message dated 11/11/00 8:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, bobcartilson@uswest.net writes: << After John D. McAliley died, Miles C. McKinney (another of William and Frances Emeline sib's), took over as young Frances' guardian. Unfortunately, Miles died in 1863 (Civil War). After losing her parents and two uncle guardians, poor young Frances must have had it. In 1864, she married Samuel Wood Osborn -- and they became my husband's 2great-grandparents. >> I have that Mary Ann Reavis (b. Oct. 16, 1831 MO, d. ca. 1818 Fayette Co., IL, dau. of Somomon and Mary (Greene) Reavis), married: 1) Henderson Ledbetter, May 21, 1850, Fayette Co., IL 2) Thomason Dycus, Aug. 26, 1855, Fayette Co., IL 3) Miles C. McKinney, Jan. 14, 1858 (he died ca. 1864, Civil War) 4) Robert Ellison, Aug. 1, 1866. Is this the same Mary Ann, widow of Miles C. McKinney, who married Samuel Wood Osborn? When were they married? Jerry Blaylock

Carol, I have a question about the 2 Daniel McKinneys I found on the 1850 Fayette County census. Household 642 Henry Hall 24 Elisabeth 49 MD (Is this Elisabeth (Hall) McKinney, widow of Moses McKinney?) Drucilla 20 (Is this Drucilla McKiney who married the Daniel in the next family? Are they cousins?) Asa West 15 Daniel McKiney 21 Household 643 Daniel McKiney 56 KY Miles C. " 19 Daniel " 17 (Did this Daniel marry the Drusilla in the family above?) Elizabeth " 14 Frances " 11 Are the census ages of these children wrong because they don't match what you sent me? Were Moses and Daniel McKinney brothers? Thanks, Lynne

A fellow Fayette lister has suggested that David Radcliff who married Ellen Grandfield (1855) was the son of Charles R. and Elizabeth (Walker) Radcliff and NOT the son of Michael and Elizabeth (McKinney) Radcliff (as I posted in another thread). Almost anything is possible in genealogy. Charles and Michael were brothers, and both did have sons named David. However, a Radcliff Family history in the Fayette County Genealogical Society's quarterly publication, "Fayette Facts" (Vol. 4, No. 3, Sept. 1975, p. 34-35) lists David (the husband of Ellen) among Michael and Elizabeth's children. According to the publicaton, information in the genealogy was provided by Mrs. Ayers (Mary Radcliff) Buzzard and Ralph Radcliff, Sr., two of Michael's great-grandchildren. The article deals only with Michael's line; Charles R. Radcliff is mentioned only briefly: "Two families named Radcliff, those of Michael and Charles, came to Fayette County before 1830. Both appear in the 1830 census. By 1840 Charles had moved across the river and Michael had died." FF does not identify Michael and Charles, as well as Simon (b. abt 1786) and Rachel (b. abt 1807), as children of Edward Radcliff. Supposedly a Virginia native and Christian County, KY, resident, Edward in the early 1800s moved his family to what would become St. Clair Co., IL. He died abt 1809 (Joseph McKinney witnessed his will in 1808). My info on the Charles R. Radcliff family is sketchy and, for all practical purposes, undocumented, but for his children I have listed Matilda and Simeon (by first wife Elizabeth Hickman) and Mary, Isaac, Elizabeth, Nathan, Harvey, Margaret, Rachel, John and David (by second wife Elizabeth Walker). Many of Michael's offspring had similar names: Charles, Isaac, Mahala, Harvey, Susannah, David, Edward, Rachel and John Nathaniel. Jerry, what is your source for E.G.'s David being Charles' son and not Michael's? Have there been some recent discoveries of which I am unaware? Is it possible the great-grandchildren who supplied "Fayette Facts" with the "facts" couldn't tell their granduncle from their first cousin twice removed? If any of Mrs. Buzzard's or Ralph Radcliff's kin (or other Radcliff descendants) are out there reading this, please feel free to jump right in. Carol Jerryblay@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/00 7:53:39 AM Central Standard Time, lewis@csuol.com > writes: > > << Line #1 > > 2. Elizabeth McKinney, b: 1795 - 1800 Mercer Co, KY, d: 06 Aug 1856 > Sefton Twp, FC; & Michael Radcliff, Sr, b: 1785 - 1795 Hardy Co, VA, d: abt > 1838 Sefton Twp, FC, m: abt 1814 St. Clair Co, IL > > 3. David C Radcliff b: 07 Jul 1835, d: 20 May 1899 & Ellen Grandfield, b: > 02 Feb 1836 Philadelphia, PA, d: 26 Nov 1916 (near) Pinhook, m: 06 Feb 1855 > FC >> > > I have that this David C. Radcliff was the son of Charles R. Radcliff > (1792-1845) and Elizabeth Walker (1802-1882)! > > Jerry Blaylock

I know there are many, many inactive cemeteries in Fayette County. My question is, back in the 1800's when they were active, did someone keep centralized records for each cemetery? Or, since many of them were family plots did they just do the burials and not keep any records? Did maybe a family member keep a book of who was buried in which plot and when? Also, would there be some kind of land record when a tract was made into a cemetery? I'm interested in finding out when the Pope cemetery near Bingham was activated. In looking through records it appears that the first burial was Nancy Gardner November 22, 1841. The original owner was Lemuel Pope who purchased the tract on March 7, 1836. Lemuel's brother, Valentine died in October 1844 and I've had no luck trying to figure out where he is buried. It would make sense that he is buried here but there is no headstone for either Valentine or his wife, Elizabeth. Thanks, Lynne

In a message dated 11/10/00 7:53:39 AM Central Standard Time, lewis@csuol.com writes: << Line #1 1. Joseph McKinney, Sr, b: abt 1765, Virginia, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC & Nancy Sage, b: abt 1774 Rockingham Co, VA?, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC, m: 04 Jul 1795 Mercer Co, KY. 2. Elizabeth McKinney, b: 1795 - 1800 Mercer Co, KY, d: 06 Aug 1856 Sefton Twp, FC; & Michael Radcliff, Sr, b: 1785 - 1795 Hardy Co, VA, d: abt 1838 Sefton Twp, FC, m: abt 1814 St. Clair Co, IL 3. David C Radcliff b: 07 Jul 1835, d: 20 May 1899 & Ellen Grandfield, b: 02 Feb 1836 Philadelphia, PA, d: 26 Nov 1916 (near) Pinhook, m: 06 Feb 1855 FC >> I have that this David C. Radcliff was the son of Charles R. Radcliff (1792-1845) and Elizabeth Walker (1802-1882)! Jerry Blaylock

Fayette Listers: Anyone researching the McAliley family should check out the RootsWeb WorldConnect file of Robert Torbert. He also has a number of collateral Fayette County names. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=habtorbert&id=I15 For the Sage clan, try Joe Woith's file. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=joew&id=I1012 Carol in Cornhuskerland GBR

Lynne: Will answer some of your easier questions now and tackle more difficult ones later. OK? Carol in Cornhuskerland ____________________ Re: William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney (m 1844): William and Nancy had only one child, a daughter named Frances, b. 07 Oct 1845. William McKinney took ill and died, prob. on Feb. 19 or 20, 1846. The exact date is unknown. William's estate was billed for doctor visits on Feb. 16, 18 and 19. Also in his probate file is a bill from from merchant Robert Blackwell (sent to "Danl McKiney for Son Wm") with Feb. 21 charges of $1.60 for "8 yards of shrouding" and .25 for "1 pr white socks." Too me, that sounds like he was alive on the 19th, dead on the 21st. William McKinney's widow, Nancy, married Elijah Pritchett 29 Jul 1847 in Madison Co., IL. Elijah Pritchett, Nancy, Frances, Emma and John H. are listed on the 1850 Madison County Census. In 1857, however, John D. McAliley (Nancy's brother) was appointed guardian of his niece who was living with him and described in the records as "an orphan" without father or mother. It is presumed that Nancy died between 1850 and 1857, and Elijah, perhaps not wanting responsibility for a child from his deceased wife's first marriage, sent Frances back to Fayette County. ____________________ Re: John D. McAliley John D. died 01 Nov 1859 in Fayette County. See McKinney family group (below) for prior and later marriages of his widow, Frances Emeline McKinney. ____________________ Re: Are William and Frances Emeline McKinney related? Yes, they were were siblings and two of Daniel and Frances Ann (Williams) McKinney's seven children. When William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney' daughter became the ward of John D. McAliley, she actually would have been living with her maternal (McAliley) uncle and paternal (McKinney) aunt. After John D. McAliley died, Miles C. McKinney (another of William and Frances Emeline sib's), took over as young Frances' guardian. Unfortunately, Miles died in 1863 (Civil War). After losing her parents and two uncle guardians, poor young Frances must have had it. In 1864, she married Samuel Wood Osborn -- and they became my husband's 2great-grandparents. ____________________ Re: Daniel McKinney Family Group Daniel2 McKinney (Joseph1 & Nancy Sage) b. abt 1796 in Mercer Co, KY, d. 18 Sep 1854 in Fayette Co, IL. He m1 Frances Ann Williams 11 Jun 1825, FC, d/o of John Williams & Elizabeth "Betsy" ?. Frances Ann b. 1800 - 1810, Calvert Co, MD, d. 15 Feb 1850 in Fayette Co, IL. Daniel m2 Mary M Kent 29 Apr 1852, FC. Children of Daniel McKinney and Frances Williams are: 1. James Alexander3 McKinney, b. abt 1825, FC; d. Apr 1855, FC. He m. Jane M Enochs 10 Dec 1847, FC; b. 06 Mar 1827 in Illinois; d. 03 Sep 1896, FC?. 2. William McKinney, b. abt 1825, FC; d. abt 19-20 Feb 1846, FC. He m. Nancy McAliley 07 Nov 1844, FC; b. abt 1828 in Illinois (22 in 1850); d. prob. 1850-57, Madison Co, IL. Nancy m2 Elijah Pritchett. 3. Mary Jane McKinney, b. abt 1828, FC; d. Aft. 1870. She m. Nathan Noyes Moulton 20 Jul 1842, FC; b. abt 1822; d. 28 Apr 1870, Fayette or Bond Co?. 4. Daniel Uriah McKinney, b. 30 Nov 1828, FC; d. 17 Feb 1872, FC. He m. Drucilla McKinney 23 Feb 1851, FC; b. 1827 - 1830, FC; d. Aft. 1872. 5. Miles C McKinney, b. 1830-35, FC; d. 23 Jan 1863, Milliken's Bend (Vicksburg), LA. He m1 Elizabeth B Depew 17 Jul 1853, FC; she b. Aug 1831, FC; d. 06 Sep 1854 in Carson Twp, FC, (23y, 11m). Miles m2 Mary Ann Reavis 14 Jan 1858, FC. 6. Elizabeth McKinney, b. abt 1836, FC. No further info. 7. Frances Emeline/Emiline McKinney, b. abt 1839, FC; d. 21 May 1890, FC. She m1 James Amos Depew, Sr 09 Feb 1860, FC; James b. abt 1839, FC; d. 13 May 1863 in Milliken's Bend (Vicksburg) LA. Frances Emeline m2 John D McAliley 18 Mar 1855, FC; John b. abt 1835, FC; d. 01 Nov 1859, FC. Frances m3 Jefferson Kaley 29 Sep 1864, FC; Jefferson b. Nov 1830 in Pennsylvania or Ohio; d. 28 Sep 1907, FC. Lynne Evans wrote: > I have a little on that family as it ties in to other families I research. > This is what I have: > > John McAlilly b. 1790 SC > Elisabeth ____ b. 1790 SC > 5 children: > > 4. Nancy born 1824-1829 married William McKinney November 7, 1844 > Fayette Co. I could not find this couple on the 1850 census in Fayette > County. Had they moved? > 5. John D. born 1830 married Frances Emeline McKinney March 18, 1855 in > Fayette County. I have no death date for John but have Frances marrying > James Depew February 9, 1860. > > Were William McKinney and Frances Emeline McKinney related? > > Lynne

I have a little on that family as it ties in to other families I research. This is what I have: John McAlilly b. 1790 SC Elisabeth ____ b. 1790 SC 5 children: 1. Mary Ann born 1819 married John H. Buckmaster August 5, 1840 Fayette Co. 3 children on the 1850 census--Francis, Joseph and Elizabeth. 2. Clarissa born 1820. I'm not positive this is her name, it is hard to read on the 1850 census. She is still living with her parents and listed as not being able to read or write. Maybe mentally handicapped? 3. Eveline born April 3, 1823 VA died November 9, 1852 buried in Williams Cemetery. Married James A. Williams November 2, 1843 Fayette Co. Children --Harriet, Walter, Nancy and Jefferson. Only Walter and Jefferson are on the 1850 census so unsure if Harriet and Nancy died prior to this. Eveline and James are living 2 households away from her parents on the census. 4. Nancy born 1824-1829 married William McKinney November 7, 1844 Fayette Co. I could not find this couple on the 1850 census in Fayette County. Had they moved? 5. John D. born 1830 married Frances Emeline McKinney March 18, 1855 in Fayette County. I have no death date for John but have Frances marrying James Depew February 9, 1860. There may be more McAlilly children for this couple but this is all I have so far. There were many other McAlilly marriages in Fayette County. Were William McKinney and Frances Emeline McKinney related? Lynne

Carol, This will answer two of you questions. 1) date Clara Ellen England Radcliff died. 2)Who were the children of david Franklin Radcliff and Clara Elen England Radcliff The answers are in the following family group sheets: My Great-Great Grandparents 21. David Franklin RADCLIFF (David C.3, Rev. Charles R.2, Edward F.1) was born 09 MAR 1872. David died 1940. He married twice. He married Rosa Ellen KALEY in Fayette Co., IL, 18 FEB 1892. He married Clara E. ENGLAND 19 OCT 1896. Clara was born in Fayette Co.IL 1875. She died in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., IL 8 Aug 1949 of Kidney trouble. She was the daughter of John Calvin England d. 24 Dec 1826 and Elvira McAliley. David Franklin RADCLIFF and Rosa Ellen KALEY had the following child: 23 i. Earl5 RADCLIFF was born on (birth date unknown). David Frank RADCLIFF and Clara E. ENGLAND had the following children: 24 iii. William RADCLIFF was born on (birth date unknown). William is deceased. Died in childhood. 25 iv. Frances RADCLIFF was born on (birth date unknown). Frances is deceased. 26 v. Anna RADCLIFF was born 23 AUG 1907. Anna died 29 FEB 1992 in Will Co., IL, at 84 years of age. She married twice. She married Lester Arthur FINLEY in USA. Lester was born in USA 11 JUL 1906. Lester was the son of Prunis "Buck" "P.A." Audy FINLEY and Frances Rosette LEOPARD. Lester died 23 AUG 1971 at 65 years of age. His body was interred 1971 in St. Elmo,Fayette Co.,IL, Maplewood Cemetary. (See Lester Arthur FINLEY for the continuation of this line.) She married David OLGESBY SR. (See David OLGESBY SR. for the continuation of this line.) 24 ii. Merrill RADCLIFF was b. February 18, 1913; d. January 25, 1950 28 vi. Goldie Stella RADCLIFF (still alive) b. November 15, 1915. . ________________________________________________ My Great-Grandparents 50. Lester Arthur6 FINLEY (Prunis "Buck" "P.A." Audy5, Beauford Yeager4 FINLEY, Howard3 FINLEY, John2, Thomas1) was born in USA 11 JUL 1906. Lester died 23 AUG 1971 at 65 years of age. His body was interred 1971 in St. Elmo,Fayette Co.,IL, Maplewood Cemetary. He married Anna RADCLIFF in USA. Anna was born 23 AUG 1907. Anna was the daughter of David Frank RADCLIFF and Clara E. ENGLAND. Anna died 29 FEB 1992 in Will Co., IL, at 84 years of age. Lester Arthur FINLEY and Anna Ellen RADCLIFF had the following children: 51 i. Verla Vondelle7 FINLEY b. 28 October 1928 Wilberton Twp, Fayette County, IL d. 4 Aug 1999 Effingham, IL buried in Maplewood Cemetery, St. Elmo, Fayette County, IL + 52 ii. Darrel FINLEY (still alive). + 53 iii. Dennis Paul FINLEY (still alive). + 54 iv. Lloyd Dean FINLEY (still alive). _______________________________________________________ My Grandparents 2. Fountain Daniel2 CRUM (Walter1) (still alive). Fountain Daniel CRUM and Verla Vondelle FINLEY had the following children: 3 i. Connie Lou3 CRUM (still alive). 4 ii. Evelyn CRUM was born in Fayette Co.,IL,USA Dec 1948. Evelyn died May1949 in Fayette Co.,IL,USA, at less than one year of age. Her body was interred 1949 in Fayette Co.,IL,USA, Maplewood Cemetary. 5 iii. Daniel Lee CRUM was born 10 OCT 1950. 6 iv. Russell CRUM (still alive). 7 v. Jackylon CRUM (still alive). 8 vi. Lori Annette CRUM (still alive). 9 vii. Owen Wallace CRUM (still alive). ___________________________________________________ My Parents 1. Harley Elwood1 PEARSON was born before about 1966, the first event for which there is a recorded date. Harley became the father of Penny Vondelle PEARSON in Vandalia, Fayette County, IL, USA, 25 JUN 1968. Harley Elwood PEARSON and Connie Lou CRUM had the following child: 2 i. Penny Vondelle2 PEARSON (still alive). (Thats Me!) Married Todd E. Lewis son of Mary Arlene Lilly and Charles Eugene Lewis at Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Altamont, Effingham County, IL on April 15 1988. Let me know if there is a match, Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: <bobcartilson@uswest.net> To: <ILFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages > Penny, > > Thanks for the information on David Radcliff; I'll get it added to my file. In addition to your great-grandmother, Anna Ellen, just how many children did he and Clara England have? Most of us McKinney and McAliley researchers don't have any more information than the fact they were married, probably because they left Fayette County. It's interesting David died in Madison County. That's where the first McAliley to come to Illinois settled. Do you happen to know where and when Clara died? > > In case you're wondering, I spell "McAliley" this way (no double Ls) because that's how John D. McAliley (father of your Elvira and brother of our Nancy*) spelled it in 1857 when he petitioned to become the guardian of Nancy and William McKinney's daughter, Frances. Another reason is because McAliley is the the accepted standard of the main McAliley community, and some of them -- especially the South Carolina and Florida branches -- tend to make fun of the various Fayette County spellings. > > If you're interested in following the McAliley line back a few more generations, one good place to start is Robert Torbert's WorldConnect file. The following URL is for David and Clara's page. Bob doesn't have their children either. He does have a number of Fayette County surnames in the file but not all the multiple relationships are linked. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=habtorb ert&id=I1954 > > Carol > > *I may have mixed up generations in an earlier e-mail and said Elvira and Nancy were sisters. So sorry if I did and confused you. All these connections are confusing enough without me making it any worse. > > > Penny Lewis wrote: > > > Carol, > > > > Here are some information to add to yours on David Franklin Radcliffe (I have his death certificate) It states that he was born 1 Jan 1872 died on 22 June 1953 at 7:15 p.m. at age 81 in Madison County at Villa Terrace Nursing Home Alton, IL. He died of Cerebral Vascular Accident due to Arteriosclerosis (since I am a nurse I will tell you that that is a fancy word for a "stroke"). His ususal residence was listed as Hilsboro, Montgonery County, IL. He is buried at Cress Hill Cemetery, Hilsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. He is my great great grandfather : his wife (Clara Ellen England) through his daughter Anna Ellen Radcliffe Finley. > > > > Penny > > lewis@csuol.com > > Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator > > www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm\ > > >

Penny, Thanks for the information on David Radcliff; I'll get it added to my file. In addition to your great-grandmother, Anna Ellen, just how many children did he and Clara England have? Most of us McKinney and McAliley researchers don't have any more information than the fact they were married, probably because they left Fayette County. It's interesting David died in Madison County. That's where the first McAliley to come to Illinois settled. Do you happen to know where and when Clara died? In case you're wondering, I spell "McAliley" this way (no double Ls) because that's how John D. McAliley (father of your Elvira and brother of our Nancy*) spelled it in 1857 when he petitioned to become the guardian of Nancy and William McKinney's daughter, Frances. Another reason is because McAliley is the the accepted standard of the main McAliley community, and some of them -- especially the South Carolina and Florida branches -- tend to make fun of the various Fayette County spellings. If you're interested in following the McAliley line back a few more generations, one good place to start is Robert Torbert's WorldConnect file. The following URL is for David and Clara's page. Bob doesn't have their children either. He does have a number of Fayette County surnames in the file but not all the multiple relationships are linked. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=habtorbert&id=I1954 Carol *I may have mixed up generations in an earlier e-mail and said Elvira and Nancy were sisters. So sorry if I did and confused you. All these connections are confusing enough without me making it any worse. Penny Lewis wrote: > Carol, > > Here are some information to add to yours on David Franklin Radcliffe (I have his death certificate) It states that he was born 1 Jan 1872 died on 22 June 1953 at 7:15 p.m. at age 81 in Madison County at Villa Terrace Nursing Home Alton, IL. He died of Cerebral Vascular Accident due to Arteriosclerosis (since I am a nurse I will tell you that that is a fancy word for a "stroke"). His ususal residence was listed as Hilsboro, Montgonery County, IL. He is buried at Cress Hill Cemetery, Hilsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. He is my great great grandfather : his wife (Clara Ellen England) through his daughter Anna Ellen Radcliffe Finley. > > Penny > lewis@csuol.com > Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator > www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm\ >

Carol, Here are some information to add to yours on David Franklin Radcliffe (I have his death certificate) It states that he was born 1 Jan 1872 died on 22 June 1953 at 7:15 p.m. at age 81 in Madison County at Villa Terrace Nursing Home Alton, IL. He died of Cerebral Vascular Accident due to Arteriosclerosis (since I am a nurse I will tell you that that is a fancy word for a "stroke"). His ususal residence was listed as Hilsboro, Montgonery County, IL. He is buried at Cress Hill Cemetery, Hilsboro, Montgomery Co., IL. He is my great great grandfather : his wife (Clara Ellen England) through his daughter Anna Ellen Radcliffe Finley. Penny lewis@csuol.com Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm\ ----- Original Message ----- From: bobcartilson@uswest.net To: Penny Lewis Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages Penny: Unless I've entered something wrong or mixed up a relationship somewhere along the line, Joseph McKinney is your 5th great-grandfather AND your 6th great-grandfather. One line of descent is through his daughter, Elizabeth (McKinney) Radcliff. The other is through his son, Daniel McKinney. Line #1 1. Joseph McKinney, Sr, b: abt 1765, Virginia, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC & Nancy Sage, b: abt 1774 Rockingham Co, VA?, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC, m: 04 Jul 1795 Mercer Co, KY. 2. Elizabeth McKinney, b: 1795 - 1800 Mercer Co, KY, d: 06 Aug 1856 Sefton Twp, FC; & Michael Radcliff, Sr, b: 1785 - 1795 Hardy Co, VA, d: abt 1838 Sefton Twp, FC, m: abt 1814 St. Clair Co, IL 3. David C Radcliff b: 07 Jul 1835, d: 20 May 1899 & Ellen Grandfield, b: 02 Feb 1836 Philadelphia, PA, d: 26 Nov 1916 (near) Pinhook, m: 06 Feb 1855 FC 4. David Frank Radcliff, b: 02 Dec 1872 Sefton, FC, d: Aft. 1916 ? (resided Wilberton Twp) & Clara Ellen England, b: abt 1877 Ramsey Twp, FC; m: 19 Oct 1896 Vandalia, FC. 5. Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley 6. Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain David Crum 7. Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson 8. Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis Line #2 1. Joseph McKinney, Sr, b: abt 1765, Virginia, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC & Nancy Sage, b: abt 1774 Rockingham Co, VA?, d: 1835 - 1840 (prob) FC, m: 04 Jul 1795 Mercer Co, KY. 2. Daniel McKinney, b: abt 1796 Mercer Co, KY, d: 18 Sep 1854 FC & Frances Ann Williams, b: 1800 - 1810 Calvert Co, MD, d: 15 Feb 1850 FC, m: 11 Jun 1825 FC. 3. Frances Emiline McKinney, b: abt 1839 FC, d: 21 May 1890 FC, & John D McAliley, b: abt 1835 FC, d: 01 Nov 1859 FC, m: 18 Mar 1855 FC. 4. Elizabeth "Elvira" McAliley, b: Mar 1856 FC (age 14 in 1870), d: 1929 FC & John Calvin England; b: Oct 1856 Kentucky, d: 24 Dec 1926 FC, m: 05 Jan 1873 FC. 5. Clara Ellen England; b: abt 1877 Ramsey Twp, FC & David Frank Radcliff; b: 02 Dec 1872 Sefton, FC, d: Aft. 1916 ? (resided Wilberton Twp), m: 19 Oct 1896 Vandalia, FC. 6. Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley 7. Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain David Crum 8. Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson 9. Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis The FTW kinship report indicates you are yourself (duh) and your own 6th cousin once removed. And, my husband, Robert Russell Tilson, is your 5th cousin once removed. How's your head now? Carol P.S. If you see anything wrong, let me know. Penny Lewis wrote: Carol, Boy, do you have my head spinning. I have never come across this one before I will tell you forward from Clara Ellen England Radcliff. o.k. 1) Clara Ellen England m. David Frank Radcliff (My great great grandparents) 2) Anna Ellen Radcliff m. Lester Arthur Finley (my great grandparents) 3) Verla Vondelle Finley m. Fountain Daniel Crum (my grandparents) 4) Connie Lou Crum m. Harley Elwood Pearson (my parents) 5) Penny Vondelle Pearson m. Todd Eugene Lewis (That's me and my husband) Now i am really dizzy. Is this what you want. Penny lewis@csuol.com Fayette County GenWeb Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm

If you've got Radcliff, McKinney and McAliley, you have to be a "cousin" to my husband -- somehow. By blood and/or by marriage, Joseph and Nancy (Sage) McKinney are probably connected to more than half of the people who lived in Fayette County. His eldest daughter, Elizabeth, married Michael Radcliff. Others married into Hall, Whitfield and Williams families. Some other "blood-related" surnames are Allison, Austin, Baggett, Bennett, Buckmaster, Caldwell, Denton, Depew, England, Harris, Jepperson, Kaley, Lockard, McCurley, McDonald, Morgan, Moulton, Peery, Ray, Rhodes, Rose, Russ, Von Forell, Walker, West, Wren and Wyant. And that's just from a quick scan of an FTW-generated kinship report. In some cases, there are double or triple relationships -- mainly the result of McKinney grand- and great-grandchildren marrying descendants of Nancy Sage's siblings. There's probably a lot more I know nothing about. Thank the Good Lord for computers, or I couldn't keep track of them all. Carol in Cornhuskerland Penny Lewis wrote: > Carol, > > Off the top of my head , I think my great granmothers side ( RADCLIFF) has > McKinney and McAllilley. I cannot check my files right now because of time > restraints but I will check their names the first chance that I get. > > Penny > lewis@csuol.com > Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator > www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm > >

Carol, Off the top of my head , I think my great granmothers side ( RADCLIFF) has McKinney and McAllilley. I cannot check my files right now because of time restraints but I will check their names the first chance that I get. Penny lewis@csuol.com Fayette County, IL GenWeb Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~ilfayett/ilfayette.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <bobcartilson@uswest.net> To: <ILFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:12 AM Subject: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages > Is anyone working on the clans of Joseph McKinney and Nancy Sage -- or > those of John and Elizabeth (McDowell) McAliley? Just joined this list > and thought I'd check to see if my husband has any "new cousins" out > there. His 3great-grandparents are William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney, > m. 1844 in Fayette County. William is the son of Daniel and Frances > (Williams) McKinney. > > Carol in Cornhuskerland > > >

Is anyone working on the clans of Joseph McKinney and Nancy Sage -- or those of John and Elizabeth (McDowell) McAliley? Just joined this list and thought I'd check to see if my husband has any "new cousins" out there. His 3great-grandparents are William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney, m. 1844 in Fayette County. William is the son of Daniel and Frances (Williams) McKinney. Carol in Cornhuskerland

HI List, can SKS please tell me where I may contact caretaker of Zion cemetery or DJ Kennedy, undertaker, in Pana, Il. in 1924. All help appreciated. Please E Mail: RAtki54168@aol.com